| 00:00.11 | carmony | oh |
| 00:00.12 | carmony | nice |
| 00:00.21 | carmony | ok, what would cause a LOT of kernal CPU |
| 00:01.09 | DexterTheDragon | what process is using the cpu? |
| 00:04.23 | carmony | h |
| 00:04.37 | carmony | apache |
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| 02:34.30 | herlo | awesome! |
| 02:34.50 | herlo | carmony: thanks bradym |
| 02:34.56 | herlo | er, yeah |
| 03:40.49 | carmony_mac | hrm |
| 03:40.58 | carmony_mac | anyone here? |
| 03:48.29 | Utah_Dave | I'm still around |
| 03:48.30 | Heartsbane | Dave's not here man |
| 03:48.48 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 03:48.49 | Heartsbane | Damn so much for the Cheek & Chong reference! |
| 03:49.03 | Utah_Dave | what timing! |
| 03:49.40 | Heartsbane | and I would have gotten away with it too... if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!! |
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| 14:28.23 | brasto | is there a site that is as awesome as snopes, but doesn't suck so much? |
| 14:32.42 | brasto | seriously, snopes is awesome for it's information about urban legends and false emails |
| 14:33.36 | brasto | but they suck because they use javascript tricks to bring up popups even when you are blocking them and to block copy/pasting their text |
| 14:33.43 | brasto | and they use asp |
| 14:34.47 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 14:34.48 | ibot | gives jnbek a good seeing to |
| 14:34.58 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 14:34.58 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on optikal |
| 14:36.07 | brasto | they *say* they are here, but really, they are not... |
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| 14:53.18 | mastergunns | brasto: buggers! down with them I say. |
| 14:54.01 | brasto | yes! Grab your torch and pitforks! |
| 14:54.42 | brasto | ~lart Utah_Dave |
| 14:54.42 | ibot | slams Utah_Dave against a large cement Tux |
| 14:54.58 | Utah_Dave | ouch! |
| 14:55.04 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart brasto |
| 14:55.18 | Utah_Dave | oh, is this a new bot? |
| 14:55.21 | brasto | heh, ibot's not listening to Utah_Dave |
| 14:55.38 | brasto | it's the same bot, but it had too many aliases on freenode, apparently |
| 14:55.59 | brasto | ~brastotack someone |
| 14:56.05 | brasto | yep, that's still broken |
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| 15:02.21 | brasto | ~lart snopes for circumventing popup blocking |
| 15:02.21 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack snopes for circumventing popup blocking |
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| 15:02.49 | brasto | ~lart snopes for blocking copy/paste capability on a public web page |
| 15:02.49 | ibot | squishes snopes like a bug for blocking copy/paste capability on a public web page |
| 15:03.13 | brasto | ~lart snopes for using asp |
| 15:03.13 | ibot | takes a big bite out of snopes's jugular vein for using asp |
| 15:03.32 | brasto | ~lart snopes again for circumventing popup blocking |
| 15:03.32 | ibot | beats snopes again to within 2.54cm of his life for circumventing popup blocking |
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| 15:35.35 | supernovia | Hi SunSparc |
| 15:36.49 | SunSparc | Good morning supernovia |
| 15:37.47 | supernovia | To you too ;-) |
| 15:39.10 | herlo | good morning #uphpu :) |
| 15:41.40 | supernovia | hello herlo :-) |
| 15:43.14 | SunSparc | ~morning uphpu |
| 15:43.29 | supernovia | indeed, good morning to all |
| 15:43.38 | supernovia | Tired morning. but good nonetheless. |
| 15:44.44 | supernovia | are we doing a uphpu lunch tomorrow, mindjuju? |
| 15:49.04 | utahcon | it's on the calendar |
| 15:52.02 | brasto | anyone know why audacity might have no sound |
| 15:52.20 | SunSparc | You need to plug your speakers in.. |
| 15:52.22 | supernovia | everything else got sound? |
| 15:52.35 | SunSparc | just kidding ;) |
| 15:52.51 | supernovia | also you've checked its own volume control right? and mutes on your channels and what not? |
| 15:53.01 | SunSparc | I believe Audacity has audio output settings. |
| 15:53.05 | brasto | lol, yep, everything else has sound |
| 15:53.06 | supernovia | it does |
| 15:53.15 | brasto | i checked the audio output settings |
| 15:53.21 | brasto | they are on the right device |
| 15:53.36 | brasto | but i tried all the others, and they don't make any difference, just to be sure |
| 15:53.37 | SunSparc | Maybe it is just the audio file in question? |
| 15:53.48 | brasto | nope, i can play the audio file with banshee |
| 15:54.01 | supernovia | can you record new audio and play it back? |
| 15:54.30 | brasto | i haven't tried that since i'm not troubleshooting recording but playing |
| 15:54.38 | brasto | here's what I want to do: |
| 15:54.59 | supernovia | well, you'd troubleshoot playback by recording something. could be something funky with a codex or whatever |
| 15:55.04 | brasto | an annoying live cd I have has the introduction for the next track at the end of the previous one |
| 15:55.18 | supernovia | that's always lovely |
| 15:55.32 | brasto | it's annoying because when I shuffle the songs, it will play a song, then introduce the wrong song |
| 15:55.54 | brasto | I want to cut the intro off the end of the previous track and paste it into the beginning of the right track |
| 15:55.56 | supernovia | if they had to have intros why not put them before the song? :) |
| 15:56.05 | supernovia | right |
| 15:56.27 | brasto | yea |
| 15:56.33 | brasto | annoying |
| 15:56.43 | supernovia | so audacity playback works on everything else too? |
| 15:56.46 | brasto | funny thing is that audacity was working before |
| 15:57.06 | brasto | another cd had the intros in thier own tracks, which was equally annoying when shuffling, if not more |
| 15:57.49 | brasto | you could get 3 or 4 intros in a row, then the wrong track for any of those intros |
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| 15:58.00 | supernovia | hola _psychic_ |
| 15:58.10 | brasto | audacity playback isn't working at all right now |
| 15:58.14 | brasto | i'm getting no volume |
| 15:58.20 | _psychic_ | buenos dias |
| 15:58.27 | supernovia | so even if you record something & play back, no good right? |
| 15:58.45 | brasto | haven't tried that because i wasn't troubleshooting recording |
| 15:58.57 | brasto | i suppose i can try it now. |
| 15:59.30 | supernovia | the idea would be to troubleshoot playing back a different format to see if the issue is isolated to that format |
| 16:00.23 | brasto | recording doesn't seem to do anything either. I get a straight line with no waves |
| 16:01.45 | supernovia | yeah, figures as much |
| 16:02.53 | brasto | if it were windows, i'd uninstall and reinstall, or i'd reboot |
| 16:02.55 | brasto | :) |
| 16:02.58 | supernovia | so you doublecheck your IO settings I guess? maybe open a previous .aup and see if that works? |
| 16:03.20 | brasto | I haven't kept any project files |
| 16:03.23 | supernovia | kl |
| 16:03.26 | supernovia | er, k |
| 16:03.40 | brasto | I'll open a file i once opened. They are all flac files |
| 16:05.16 | brasto | yep, can't open the files i once opened |
| 16:05.26 | brasto | well, i can open, just can't play back |
| 16:06.24 | brasto | edit, preferences, audio io, device is where I set the playback device |
| 16:06.34 | brasto | recording device matches the playback device |
| 16:08.32 | supernovia | dunno, guess you'll have to step back and figure out when it started & sort out what may have happened then. good luck! |
| 16:08.55 | mgeary | how 'bout that Arlen Spector, eh? |
| 16:11.35 | supernovia | looks like he knows what's good for him |
| 16:11.57 | brasto | I'm asking on #audacity |
| 16:12.13 | supernovia | good idea brasto, let us know how it turns out |
| 16:12.25 | brasto | but many other channels are not very helpful, like this one is. |
| 16:12.34 | supernovia | unfortunately |
| 16:12.43 | brasto | #drupal is especially unhelpful |
| 16:13.43 | mgeary | OMG, why don't you RTFM!? |
| 16:14.23 | mgeary | it seems like many channels simply exist for experts to congratulate themselves on their knowledge, and lord over people who are trying to learn |
| 16:14.36 | mgeary | s/experts/"experts"/ |
| 16:15.18 | SunSparc | What? You have not memorized the manual? Come on! Why do we even write manuals if you are not going to read them! |
| 16:15.51 | mgeary | "yes, we could give you the answer in 30 seconds, but we'd all rather see you pore through poor documentation" |
| 16:16.20 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:16.32 | utahcon | fwiw #kvm has always been ... mostly helpful |
| 16:16.53 | SunSparc | There is some benefit from doing your own research and manual reading, but when a whole channel of people already know the answer, why not be helpful. |
| 16:16.57 | utahcon | although it is hard to get a concrete answer from them sometimes... too many variables |
| 16:17.11 | SunSparc | #cakephp is quite helpful also, usually. |
| 16:17.23 | utahcon | i think it is funny how many non php questions get answered in here |
| 16:17.47 | SunSparc | Although, I have not had much luck getting help on #uaug... |
| 16:17.50 | utahcon | #utahcon is useless |
| 16:17.51 | supernovia | yeah I tend to try to take a quick look at a manual first but so many manuals have no real info whatsoever |
| 16:18.06 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:18.25 | SunSparc | Yeah, if the manual is decent, you may not even need to ask. |
| 16:18.33 | SunSparc | ~wake supernovia |
| 16:18.46 | SunSparc | ibot: ? |
| 16:18.52 | SunSparc | ~wake ibot |
| 16:18.56 | brasto | utahcon: yes, this channel is like the ultimate source of non-php information |
| 16:19.01 | brasto | as well as php, of course |
| 16:19.06 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:19.22 | brasto | maybe because the people here are so smart... |
| 16:19.26 | herlo | SunSparc: where'd you go? |
| 16:19.29 | supernovia | Exacty |
| 16:19.29 | herlo | supernovia: ^^ |
| 16:19.29 | brasto | ~dumb someone |
| 16:19.37 | brasto | lol |
| 16:19.58 | herlo | SunSparc: what do you mean? We only talk php in here :) |
| 16:19.58 | supernovia | heheh |
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| 16:20.04 | herlo | supernovia: where'd you go? |
| 16:20.08 | SunSparc | herlo: Riiiiight. ;) |
| 16:20.09 | supernovia | ah, arizona |
| 16:20.19 | herlo | supernovia: family? |
| 16:20.22 | herlo | fun? |
| 16:20.25 | herlo | freedom! |
| 16:20.33 | supernovia | All three! |
| 16:20.34 | herlo | needed a break from the world? |
| 16:20.35 | supernovia | And fires too |
| 16:20.40 | herlo | ooh, fires! |
| 16:20.52 | supernovia | Yeah, our hotel in vegas had a little issue at 3am |
| 16:21.37 | brasto | ~burn herlo |
| 16:22.02 | SunSparc | ibot, you need a reboot |
| 16:22.03 | herlo | why? |
| 16:22.04 | supernovia | I really just needed a good excuse to listen to U2, simon and garfunkel, and Louie Armstrong for hours at a time |
| 16:22.09 | herlo | brasto: that's rude! |
| 16:22.25 | herlo | ooh, I like most of the music you just put up... |
| 16:22.33 | herlo | haven't listened to s&g for a long time |
| 16:22.41 | supernovia | and I got to hang out with my bro and sis and enjoy barbecues and climb a ton of stairs in Bisbee |
| 16:23.07 | supernovia | and I got hypnotized 8-I |
| 16:24.28 | supernovia | hehe herlo, which of that music do you not like? |
| 16:24.42 | supernovia | I gave my kids the cd case and let them take turns picking albums |
| 16:24.59 | herlo | supernovia: some U2 I could do without |
| 16:25.04 | herlo | it's not bad per se, just overplayed |
| 16:25.19 | brasto | wait |
| 16:25.20 | supernovia | I like listening to joshua tree when I'm driving past joshua trees |
| 16:25.27 | brasto | is it garfunkle or garfunkel |
| 16:25.29 | brasto | ? |
| 16:25.33 | supernovia | el I think isn't it? |
| 16:25.41 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 16:25.47 | brasto | ~dict garfunkel |
| 16:26.02 | brasto | ~wiki simon and garfunkel |
| 16:26.03 | dataw0lf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_and_Garfunkel |
| 16:26.04 | supernovia | ~dict velda |
| 16:26.22 | dataw0lf | faster than ibot, *whip sound* |
| 16:26.33 | brasto | dataw0lf: lol |
| 16:26.34 | supernovia | wpchaahh! |
| 16:27.07 | supernovia | we also heard -lots- of boingo and laurie berkner |
| 16:27.24 | brasto | funny thing. If i'm feeling low, all I have to do is hop on this channel and watch the conversation. Participation is optional. |
| 16:28.15 | supernovia | yeah, #uphpu is totally my bridge over troubled water. |
| 16:28.46 | herlo | brasto: el |
| 16:29.04 | brasto | herlo is slower than ibot |
| 16:29.20 | herlo | brasto: lol, I'm also doing 10 things at one time |
| 16:29.54 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:30.01 | brasto | herlo, you need to upgrade the processor in your brain so you can handle 10 processes a little better. |
| 16:30.03 | herlo | carmony: get more SLEEP! |
| 16:30.10 | brasto | :) |
| 16:30.11 | herlo | brasto: shut up! |
| 16:30.16 | herlo | rude! :) |
| 16:30.18 | supernovia | I just need more ram. |
| 16:30.26 | supernovia | or a hat that says 'out of memory' |
| 16:30.41 | herlo | heh |
| 16:30.42 | brasto | supernovia: that's a good one |
| 16:30.50 | brasto | you should submit it to Think Geek |
| 16:31.07 | supernovia | they probably already have something like that |
| 16:31.09 | brasto | that and '== || ===?' |
| 16:33.09 | brasto | supernovia: when doing a comparison, look up on php.net the difference between == and === |
| 16:33.28 | brasto | and hopefully you already know that || means 'or' |
| 16:33.39 | brasto | and you know what a question mark is... |
| 16:34.06 | brasto | so, the question is, do you want to use == || ===? |
| 16:34.44 | brasto | lol |
| 16:34.48 | synic | srs |
| 16:34.49 | herlo | and welcomes him to this exclusive club |
| 16:35.19 | supernovia | I know what == is but not === |
| 16:35.24 | supernovia | and || of course |
| 16:36.12 | brasto | let's see if i can find the page on http://php.net |
| 16:36.17 | supernovia | I only know what I know if you know what I mean, and that's mainly been whatever I need to get something done |
| 16:36.46 | supernovia | yeah I think === just isn't very search friendly |
| 16:36.54 | brasto | hmmm, supernovia, you're thinking what I think your thinking if your thinking what I think your thinking. |
| 16:37.31 | supernovia | I was singing that first half ;-) |
| 16:38.11 | brasto | http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php |
| 16:38.22 | supernovia | there, found it here |
| 16:38.50 | supernovia | thanks :) |
| 16:38.52 | brasto | === is just more restrictive, it's not just equal, but of the same type |
| 16:39.52 | brasto | my dad has a hat that says 'why be normal' up-side-down. |
| 16:39.59 | brasto | at least he used to |
| 16:40.11 | supernovia | yeah I dont' need a hat for that, just wildly mismatched socks. |
| 16:40.12 | brasto | 25 years ago... |
| 16:40.16 | supernovia | (when I wear socks) |
| 16:40.39 | brasto | ewe, no socks... gross |
| 16:41.28 | supernovia | amen SunSparc |
| 16:41.37 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:41.55 | supernovia | and if I can't have warm weather I'll still take flipflops |
| 16:43.33 | supernovia | anyway brasto I am still not geeky enough to get the == || === thing. |
| 16:43.47 | SunSparc | ~console supernovia |
| 16:43.56 | brasto | supernovia: now you are! |
| 16:44.19 | SunSparc | ~lart ibot |
| 16:44.19 | ibot | cuts off sunsparc's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 16:44.46 | brasto | cool, ibot used a halberd |
| 16:45.11 | SunSparc | ibot, where is jbot? cause you are not nearly as cool as she is. |
| 16:45.11 | ibot | SunSparc: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:45.14 | supernovia | well, I get what it means in php now but not why it'd make a great hat. |
| 16:45.41 | supernovia | and Coates says if we don't get geeky humor we're not hire-worthy :-p |
| 16:46.09 | supernovia | hoping college will help :) |
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| 16:53.38 | Lone_Wanderer | School Tip Line is advertising their CEO position on the UPHPU Jobs list, and their only requirement is that you know PHP? |
| 16:54.01 | SunSparc | ~lart himself |
| 16:54.01 | ibot | stuffs himself into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 16:54.08 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:54.20 | mgeary | except that ibot is a girl |
| 16:54.21 | SunSparc | Take that ibot! |
| 16:54.30 | SunSparc | jbot is a girl, ibot is a freak |
| 16:54.46 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:55.26 | fungus | ~gender |
| 16:55.26 | ibot | I'm female |
| 16:55.55 | SunSparc | As female as a bunch of code could be. |
| 16:56.17 | SunSparc | Seriously though, what ever happened to jbot? |
| 16:57.56 | SunSparc | This ibot seems to be missing quite a few factoids that jbot had. |
| 16:58.03 | SunSparc | ~stats |
| 16:58.03 | ibot | Since Wed Apr 22 10:15:47 2009, there have been 79 modifications, 601 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 289 commands. I have been awake for 8d 6h 42m 16s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 21636 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 19797.83/499.05 child 0.07/0.03 |
| 16:58.19 | SunSparc | Yeah, missing big time! |
| 16:58.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen jbot |
| 16:58.40 | ibot | i haven't seen 'jbot', Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:59.09 | SunSparc | ibot, pick your nose |
| 16:59.32 | SunSparc | ~kick ibot |
| 16:59.38 | herlo | ~seen SunSparc |
| 16:59.39 | ibot | sunsparc is currently on #udbug (1h 25m 26s) #uphpu (1h 25m 26s). Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 7s, last said: '~kick ibot'. |
| 16:59.50 | herlo | ~seen herlo |
| 16:59.51 | ibot | herlo is currently on #utos (2d 5h 38m 10s) #utah (2d 5h 38m 10s) #uphpu (2d 5h 38m 10s) #ubuntu-us-ut (2d 5h 38m 10s). Has said a total of 331 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen herlo'. |
| 17:00.20 | supernovia | gar, fafsa doesn't like firefox 3 |
| 17:01.14 | SunSparc | ~lart government agencies that are behind the times |
| 17:01.14 | ibot | gives government agencies that are behind the times a good seeing to |
| 17:02.30 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 17:02.30 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto sunsparc whilst whistling innocently |
| 17:02.35 | SunSparc | doh! |
| 17:02.40 | supernovia | hehe |
| 17:02.49 | SunSparc | ibot and I seem to have a bad relationship... |
| 17:05.17 | supernovia | yesterday a girl at a different gov agency was having trouble in her browser, I asked if she was using firefox, suggested she should |
| 17:05.29 | supernovia | and she said "we can't due to budget cuts" |
| 17:05.42 | SunSparc | Budget cuts? Lol |
| 17:06.07 | SunSparc | Umm, lady, Firefox is free. How does that not fit your budget. hehe |
| 17:06.52 | supernovia | hehe, yeah. kinda funny I thought |
| 17:07.12 | Lone_Wanderer | FF is really slow for me lately. I haven't been really happy with it. |
| 17:08.36 | supernovia | it's plenty fast for me |
| 17:09.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I suck :( |
| 17:09.35 | Lone_Wanderer | That or I open way too many tabs and have too many addons installed. Which is almost certainly the case. |
| 17:10.53 | supernovia | well, fwiw I open tons of tabs but keep my addons fairly tidy |
| 17:11.22 | supernovia | maybe it's one of your addons wigging out and if you turn it off it'll speed things back up again |
| 17:11.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Might be. |
| 17:11.51 | supernovia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.10 | SunSparc | heh |
| 17:12.13 | Lone_Wanderer | But I tend to have "big" things in tabs. Lots of videos, huge flash files, that sort of thing. |
| 17:12.15 | Lone_Wanderer | It's fine :) |
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| 17:12.49 | supernovia | I mostly deal with non-geeks, so sorry to state the obvious :-p |
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| 17:14.26 | Lone_Wanderer | No worries. |
| 17:15.00 | dataw0lf | firefox-- |
| 17:15.00 | supernovia | maybe someday some semi-geek who wouldn't think of that will google and find this list and the answer there. Now I feel better. |
| 17:15.38 | supernovia | ugh. looks like I have to go dig up irrelevant tax documents |
| 17:15.39 | Lone_Wanderer | what++? |
| 17:15.45 | dataw0lf | safari++ |
| 17:16.10 | dataw0lf | http://github.com/dbloete/ioctocat/tree/master |
| 17:16.21 | supernovia | have a super rest-of-the-morning and afternoon guys! |
| 17:16.39 | dataw0lf | you too |
| 17:16.42 | SunSparc | ~Safari++ |
| 17:16.46 | SunSparc | ~IE-- |
| 17:16.52 | SunSparc | ~karma ie |
| 17:16.52 | ibot | ie has karma of -24 |
| 17:17.05 | SunSparc | Hmm, ibot seems to have retained that factoid... |
| 17:17.38 | dataw0lf | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 17:17.38 | ibot | dataw0lf has karma of 4 |
| 17:17.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ~karma Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:17.44 | ibot | lone_wanderer has karma of 2 |
| 17:17.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Sweet, it's non-negative! |
| 17:17.59 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 17:35.10 | mindjuju | ~karma thebigdog |
| 17:35.10 | ibot | thebigdog has karma of 13 |
| 17:35.22 | mindjuju | prolly some num like -34 |
| 17:35.36 | josephscott | mindjuju: was there any determination on a lunch tomorrow? |
| 17:35.48 | thebigdog | i am going to the movies |
| 17:36.03 | mindjuju | josephscott, uno momento por favor, I go ask! |
| 17:41.11 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 17:41.11 | ibot | mgeary has karma of 17 |
| 17:41.18 | mgeary | woot |
| 17:48.58 | SunSparc | nice, mgeary |
| 17:49.27 | SunSparc | figgers |
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| 17:54.27 | dataw0lf | I'd use something like: |
| 17:54.27 | dataw0lf | >>> for x in [f for f in os.listdir(".") if f.endswith("_feed.py")]: |
| 17:54.27 | dataw0lf | ... subprocess.call("cd %s; ./manage.py %s" % (self.project_dir, x[:-3])) |
| 17:54.38 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 17:54.38 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 17:54.46 | dataw0lf | bah |
| 17:54.52 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 17:54.53 | dataw0lf | k/win 9 |
| 17:54.57 | dataw0lf | BAH |
| 17:54.59 | SunSparc | heh |
| 17:55.00 | dataw0lf | stop staring at me! |
| 17:55.05 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:55.51 | herlo | no! |
| 17:56.00 | dataw0lf | irssi plays pranks on me often |
| 17:56.08 | dataw0lf | or my stumbling fingers do. |
| 17:56.20 | SunSparc | Ouch |
| 17:56.21 | dataw0lf | ow. |
| 17:57.57 | carmony | okay, and linux sys admin gurus online? |
| 17:59.19 | SunSparc | carmony: Ask away |
| 18:00.05 | carmony | okay, I have a Ubutnu Server 8.04 running Apache & PHP |
| 18:00.12 | brasto | ~karma brasto |
| 18:00.12 | ibot | brasto has karma of 5 |
| 18:00.36 | carmony | We moved our website from an older VM to this dedicated Dual Quad Core machine, so we thought we were moving up in terms of power. |
| 18:00.44 | brasto | cool, TimRiker fixed my attack |
| 18:00.51 | brasto | ~brastotack SunSparc |
| 18:00.52 | ibot | ACTION lectures SunSparc on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until SunSparc can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 18:01.26 | carmony | However, when the website starts to get busy, its like something trips a problem where the server CPU starts spending more time on iowait than handling request |
| 18:01.47 | carmony | which cascades into more requests piling up, meaning more load, and more iowait issues, which grinds the server to a halt. |
| 18:01.57 | carmony | http://www.screencast.com/users/JustinCarmony/folders/Jing/media/1eef7c28-0737-4b6b-8f8e-5c1723faec38 |
| 18:02.01 | carmony | thats a jing |
| 18:02.05 | carmony | of the server's htop |
| 18:02.22 | carmony | when I do a top, the server's cpu for wa would go around 70-95% |
| 18:04.15 | carmony | what could be causing these issues and how can I start to debug these problems? |
| 18:04.38 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: whats the filesystem structure? |
| 18:05.45 | carmony | http://paste2.org/p/195204 |
| 18:06.29 | carmony | how can I tell what file system they are using? |
| 18:07.16 | dataw0lf | carmony: and you actually notice problems on the user end? |
| 18:07.20 | dataw0lf | or just when running htop? |
| 18:07.37 | dataw0lf | because htop and top are both whacky with performance |
| 18:08.34 | dataw0lf | didn't top have some huge memory leak up til a couple years ago? |
| 18:08.36 | dataw0lf | I can't remember. |
| 18:09.00 | carmony | there are user performance issues |
| 18:09.09 | carmony | the web server grinds to a halt |
| 18:12.04 | mindjuju | josephscott - i we're going to push it to the last friday of the month, but that'll be next month to start. this month has just been uber crazy |
| 18:12.14 | mindjuju | we could though, just organize something for the #uphpu chan |
| 18:12.18 | mindjuju | what you think? |
| 18:12.28 | carmony | In layton! :P |
| 18:17.02 | dataw0lf | http://techtinkering.com/articles/?id=24 awesome |
| 18:44.15 | carmony | question, are there ever any issues with using symbolic links and performance? |
| 18:50.23 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ5qlIP0aRo&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:50.26 | dataw0lf | bollywood++ |
| 18:55.51 | dataw0lf | nice camera. |
| 19:11.35 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: That WaEx article is definitely racist. |
| 19:13.48 | SunSparc | Wow, that Rajini Kanth is amazing. |
| 19:40.35 | Dezertol | i'm not sure I'd use "amazing" to describe it |
| 19:40.50 | Dezertol | more like.. it made my eyes bleed |
| 19:41.04 | Dezertol | and I considered killing my self a couple times |
| 19:41.19 | SunSparc | lol, just let him kill you... :) |
| 19:41.43 | Dezertol | ya.. cuz I'd be worryed about that |
| 19:41.44 | Dezertol | lol |
| 19:42.05 | Dezertol | that guy can't get out of bed with out a stunt wire |
| 19:42.23 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:42.52 | SunSparc | But he has some sweet shades... |
| 19:43.22 | Dezertol | hehe if he was a 14 year old prepie girl |
| 19:43.42 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 19:48.15 | romanovic | anyone know of a local web design group / channel? |
| 19:48.30 | unum | I have a friend that wants to start one |
| 19:48.31 | romanovic | I'm doing more html/css all the time |
| 19:48.35 | SunSparc | romanovic: #uphpu |
| 19:48.41 | SunSparc | They do everything |
| 19:48.46 | unum | that's true |
| 19:48.55 | unum | html/css/javascript/sql |
| 19:48.58 | romanovic | the #css channel is ridiculously overcrowded |
| 19:49.09 | unum | and everyone once in a while some php |
| 19:49.12 | romanovic | haha |
| 19:50.49 | unum | were you looking for css help or overall design help or both? |
| 19:50.53 | romanovic | at work, they noticed a webpage fails in ie8 |
| 19:51.10 | romanovic | so today, i'm just going thru the styles trying to find the issue |
| 19:51.19 | SunSparc | Whoa! Something fails in IE?!? |
| 19:51.22 | romanovic | the page validates, but the css is pretty messy |
| 19:51.24 | SunSparc | ~lart IE |
| 19:51.24 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down IE's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:51.28 | SunSparc | ~IE-- |
| 19:51.39 | romanovic | well, it works in ie6 and 7, but breaks in 8 |
| 19:51.49 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 19:51.53 | romanovic | http://www.sa.utah.edu/advise - for those of you with ie8 |
| 19:52.38 | romanovic | its a 3 column setup, but in ie8, the left nav bar is out of place, centered right down the middle of the page |
| 19:52.46 | romanovic | on top of the content |
| 19:54.17 | utahcon | what geek lunch ever finalized? Where it was going to be? |
| 19:54.23 | utahcon | or am I just missing details again? |
| 19:54.31 | romanovic | correction - the css validates. the html has a lot of errors |
| 19:55.00 | SunSparc | romanovic: Do you control the HTML? |
| 19:55.32 | romanovic | yes, i do now |
| 19:55.46 | SunSparc | Can you fix it, or is it not worth it? |
| 19:57.09 | thebigdog | yes i can fix it |
| 19:57.16 | romanovic | I will be rewriting it so its not so messy, as time allows |
| 19:57.29 | romanovic | but i wondered if thats a known ie8 bug that anyone knows of |
| 19:57.36 | romanovic | that i could quickly fix in the meantime |
| 19:57.57 | SunSparc | I have not delved into IE8 yet. |
| 19:58.43 | thebigdog | i dont use IE |
| 19:58.52 | unum | what does -100% do? |
| 19:58.57 | SunSparc | Is IE8 installed on all machines at the U? If not, it is probably not worth worrying about, unless Windows does a forced update to 8. |
| 19:59.03 | thebigdog | midori++ |
| 19:59.05 | romanovic | what line? |
| 19:59.16 | unum | I thought they were force updating 8 |
| 19:59.26 | unum | margin-left: -100%; |
| 19:59.39 | unum | in u_graystyle.css |
| 20:00.37 | romanovic | its part of the column layout the last page author used, i'm not sure what purpose that line serves |
| 20:01.11 | romanovic | i tried changing it to different values, but it affected the rest of the page adversely |
| 20:01.22 | unum | my css is pretty limited I've never seen a -100% before. |
| 20:01.41 | unum | I wonder if it telling it to sit to the left of the object it is in side |
| 20:02.03 | carmony | ~lart IE |
| 20:02.03 | ibot | teaches IE the basics, including how to RTM |
| 20:02.17 | carmony | lol, now that was an appropriate response |
| 20:02.19 | romanovic | haha |
| 20:02.59 | romanovic | i think i saw the -100% margin in a tutorial for column layouts once, but i don't like it |
| 20:03.55 | romanovic | maybe i'll just find a good column layout tutorial and rewrite the css |
| 20:05.19 | tierra | negative margins are a pretty commonly used technique in quality CSS layouts |
| 20:05.27 | tierra | http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins |
| 20:05.52 | romanovic | ah, thanks tierra |
| 20:06.05 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: belated agreement! |
| 20:07.08 | mgeary | anyone here use MySQL Workbench on OS X? |
| 20:08.07 | romanovic | SunSparc, yeah, i'm not making the fix a top priority, because i don't think many visiting students use ie8. but we did get an email from a visitor, and my team leader tasked it to me |
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| 20:09.57 | herlo | mindjuju: email sent |
| 20:11.02 | romanovic | i didn't see an answer to utahcon's question, were the geek lunch details finalized? |
| 20:14.37 | herlo | romanovic: somewhat |
| 20:14.42 | herlo | we're moving it to the end of the month |
| 20:15.11 | herlo | so it's easier to announce at the beginning of the month each month. We could still have an geek lunch tomorrow if people are interested... |
| 20:23.33 | utahcon | oh... I asked cause it was still on the calendar |
| 20:29.57 | herlo | it's moved now |
| 20:31.33 | utahcon | thanks I was panicked... I didn't know where to go :D |
| 20:31.52 | utahcon | now I will just meet with my local set of friends for lunch in a local place without a high concentration of geeks... |
| 20:31.54 | utahcon | or not |
| 20:32.12 | herlo | ~lart utahcon |
| 20:32.13 | ibot | tries to shut utahcon up |
| 20:32.29 | utahcon | that's right... tries! |
| 20:32.30 | herlo | ~lart utahcon |
| 20:32.30 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, utahcon, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 20:32.30 | SunSparc | utahcon: You could try Rent A Geek |
| 20:32.53 | utahcon | ~sex ibot |
| 20:33.01 | utahcon | perhaps that is the wrong command... |
| 20:33.05 | SunSparc | gender |
| 20:33.10 | utahcon | ~gender ibot |
| 20:33.11 | ibot | I heard ibot is female. |
| 20:33.14 | utahcon | w00t! |
| 20:33.19 | utahcon | don't tell me wife |
| 20:33.29 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:43.54 | herlo | ~gender ibot |
| 20:43.56 | ibot | I heard ibot is female. |
| 20:44.32 | herlo | utahcon: http://sexysexypenguins.com/2007/10/18/why-is-blootbot-ibotinfobotjbot-a-girl/ |
| 20:47.47 | utahcon | ~gender ibot |
| 20:47.47 | ibot | I heard ibot is male. |
| 20:47.50 | utahcon | damn |
| 20:51.05 | herlo | utahcon: hehe, I assume you read my article :) |
| 20:53.01 | utahcon | yes |
| 20:53.17 | utahcon | sadly I actually already knew ibot was... without constant gender. |
| 21:02.07 | herlo | :) |
| 21:02.12 | herlo | it's still funny |
| 21:02.52 | SunSparc | ibot, you are funny |
| 21:02.53 | ibot | SunSparc: what are you talking about? |
| 21:03.15 | SunSparc | Exactly |
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| 21:53.59 | shamun | am i allowed to ask php questions! |
| 21:54.14 | mgeary | uh, no |
| 21:54.18 | fungus | heh, of course! |
| 21:54.20 | mgeary | only questions about Ham and Potatos |
| 21:54.47 | shamun | sorry because '/list *php* found this |
| 21:55.01 | SunSparc | am I allowed to answer php questions? |
| 21:55.02 | fungus | though ham and potatoes are our specialty |
| 21:55.30 | SunSparc | UPHPU = Utah Potato and Ham Pickers United |
| 21:55.54 | SunSparc | Or was it Protectors? |
| 21:56.10 | shamun | http://codepad.org/5cjs5zmd 'how to call a $_class from jquery ajax. |
| 21:58.08 | fungus | auto_jobs.php is called separately from the original index page, so it doesn't have any of the state of the original. |
| 21:58.36 | fungus | So it will need the class definition, and instantiation. |
| 21:58.50 | mgeary | SunSparc: *Producers Union |
| 21:59.03 | SunSparc | Ah, right, producers. |
| 21:59.08 | SunSparc | ~uphpu |
| 21:59.09 | ibot | it has been said that uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org Blootbot's favorite channel. |
| 21:59.42 | SunSparc | ibot uphpu is also Utah Potato and Ham Producers Union |
| 21:59.43 | ibot | SunSparc: okay |
| 22:00.45 | shamun | @fungus: if so, is there any way to $_SESSION[ $_class]; ? |
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| 22:01.16 | fungus | shamun: you can use a session to store the object between page views, yes. |
| 22:01.31 | fungus | $_SESSION['class'] = $_class; |
| 22:01.58 | fungus | then in the auto_jobs.php you can reference it via $_SESSION['class'] |
| 22:02.24 | shamun | @fungus: thats it, that mean i can $_SESSION['class']->_output; |
| 22:02.33 | fungus | yup |
| 22:02.40 | shamun | ok grt thanks a big |
| 22:02.53 | fungus | But you need to put the object in the session in the original index call. |
| 22:03.13 | fungus | And don't forget the session_start() calls in both index and auto_jobs |
| 22:03.36 | shamun | ok |
| 22:03.54 | fungus | Also, the class definition needs to be included in the auto_jobs too, otherwise the session system can't re-create the object. |
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| 22:21.50 | SunSparc | Later all! |
| 22:23.59 | itimber | I'm out too.... later guys |
| 22:27.33 | Heartsbane | mindjuju: ping |
| 22:28.14 | mindjuju | sup heartsbane, are you contacting me on my super awesome document scanner i just put up for sale? |
| 22:28.22 | mindjuju | cause i'll give ya the ub3r discount |
| 22:28.42 | mindjuju | and by the way, the answer is yes on your original question heartsbane |
| 22:28.49 | mindjuju | just call when you get here |
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| 23:02.36 | mindjuju | ~apb dexterthedragon |
| 23:02.37 | ibot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to spray mace at dexterthedragon |
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