| 00:04.02 | beandog | herlo: http://dpaste.com/39057/ |
| 00:04.16 | beandog | ah, dangit. |
| 00:04.42 | beandog | herlo, http://dpaste.com/39058/ |
| 00:04.49 | beandog | argh! |
| 00:05.15 | beandog | oh wait, thats right |
| 00:05.42 | beandog | forgot a closing " after default.png |
| 00:05.43 | beandog | -_- |
| 00:06.09 | herlo | k hold on |
| 00:06.24 | herlo | I'm trying to install a vm over the network using virt-manager and I'm going crazy :0 |
| 00:11.33 | beandog | sounds fun |
| 00:12.02 | beandog | gotta work |
| 00:12.22 | beandog | ooh, muppets! |
| 00:13.18 | herlo | yay for muppets |
| 00:22.07 | beandog | nn all |
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| 08:45.43 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 08:45.43 | ibot | lowers macnewbold's priority |
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| 13:41.08 | Utah_Dave | ~wake mindjuju |
| 13:41.29 | Utah_Dave | -wake mindjuju |
| 13:41.36 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 13:41.45 | Utah_Dave | ibot: where are you? |
| 13:41.45 | ibot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 13:44.47 | Utah_Dave | huh, ibot says he's near the University of Massachusetts - Amherst |
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| 14:49.25 | herlo | Utah_Dave: probably where the server is located on which he runs :) |
| 14:55.25 | itimber | anyone sending sms via php? |
| 14:55.34 | itimber | w/o it looking like an email |
| 14:56.41 | jsmith | itimber: No, but http://rapidsms.org/ caught my eye the other day |
| 14:56.51 | itimber | thx |
| 14:56.52 | jsmith | (Warning! It's Python!) |
| 14:57.12 | itimber | good to know |
| 14:57.14 | itimber | thanks man |
| 14:57.55 | jsmith | Always happy to share |
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| 15:15.38 | utahcon | seriously... why does updating firefox in ubuntu always break my running firefox? |
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| 15:19.37 | fungus | lol, could it be because you pulled out all it's supporting files and replaced them with new ones right from under it. |
| 15:20.50 | itimber | mgeary: NICE |
| 15:21.12 | jsmith | mgeary: It's raining here... so I'll just sit in my office and spend the day working with my hardware zoo |
| 15:21.14 | beandog | mgeary, hogle zoo? |
| 15:21.19 | mgeary | beandog: yeah |
| 15:21.24 | beandog | mmm, the zoo |
| 15:21.26 | mgeary | here's hoping i can pull it off |
| 15:21.26 | beandog | never been to that one |
| 15:21.28 | beandog | is it nice? |
| 15:21.31 | mgeary | it's decent |
| 15:21.37 | mgeary | not world-class by any stretch |
| 15:21.40 | beandog | what do they have, anywya |
| 15:21.41 | mgeary | but it's fun |
| 15:22.13 | mgeary | pretty much the usual stuff. Don't think they have anything super remarkable, iirc |
| 15:22.28 | mgeary | they had an albino alligator for a while. not sure if they still do |
| 15:22.30 | beandog | oh wow, they do have an elephant |
| 15:22.36 | beandog | https://www.hoglezoo.org/meet_our_animals/animal_finder/African_Elephant |
| 15:22.41 | mgeary | well of course they do |
| 15:22.49 | beandog | impressive |
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| 15:23.15 | mgeary | they used to have this awesome hippo |
| 15:23.39 | mgeary | it would go over to it's water inflow pipe, and stick it's mouth over the stream and divert the water into a spray over the visiting humans |
| 15:23.51 | beandog | heh |
| 15:23.52 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 15:24.09 | mgeary | but they traded it for some dumb peccaries |
| 15:24.28 | beandog | peccaries? |
| 15:24.43 | mgeary | they look like hairy pigs |
| 15:25.04 | beandog | ooh, a cheetah too |
| 15:25.20 | beandog | normally I hate going to zoos. seems rather boring. |
| 15:25.32 | mgeary | did you know that there are so few cheetahs left in the world that all surviving cheetahs are nearly the genetic equivalent of twins? |
| 15:25.55 | beandog | mgeary, really? freek. |
| 15:26.12 | beandog | you ever go the aquarium? |
| 15:26.15 | beandog | its tiny, but really cool |
| 15:26.26 | mgeary | yeah, we've got a membership there |
| 15:26.30 | itimber | fungus: they need to make $$...... in my old stomping grounds of Kansas City, they are closing the zoo |
| 15:26.32 | beandog | I love that place |
| 15:26.37 | beandog | but I feel really bad for that octopus |
| 15:26.39 | beandog | he always looks so bored. |
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| 15:26.44 | mgeary | heh. he's awesome |
| 15:26.58 | beandog | need to give him a mr. potato head |
| 15:27.18 | beandog | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/11/octopus-jealously-gu.html |
| 15:27.18 | mgeary | did you ever see that natl geographic clip of the giant octopus catching and eating a shark? |
| 15:27.27 | itimber | ~aquarium++ |
| 15:27.39 | beandog | mgeary, no? |
| 15:27.47 | mgeary | it was on their podcast |
| 15:27.53 | mgeary | prolly on youtube |
| 15:28.28 | beandog | seems a bit creepy |
| 15:28.48 | mgeary | the aquarium was trying to figure out what was happening to their sharks |
| 15:28.52 | mgeary | they were just disappearing |
| 15:28.56 | mgeary | so they set up a camera |
| 15:30.01 | beandog | oh, it was an aquarium?? |
| 15:30.03 | beandog | wow thats awesome. |
| 15:30.51 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3Spcq6Uzs&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div |
| 15:31.52 | beandog | and that video's a totally different topic |
| 15:33.00 | beandog | oy |
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| 15:35.25 | beandog | I really should setup a streaming server so I can watch stuff from home |
| 15:36.36 | beandog | herlo, did you ever find something |
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| 15:51.40 | herlo | beandog: yes, I got my streaming server working. But it's been working for more than a year |
| 15:51.54 | beandog | herlo, what are you using for it |
| 15:52.00 | herlo | icecast |
| 15:52.11 | herlo | but you could use vlc if you want :) |
| 15:52.42 | herlo | beandog: as far as source clients go, I am working on a gstreamer solution for live screencasts |
| 15:52.55 | beandog | icecast, that's right. |
| 15:54.18 | beandog | herlo, yah, I kinda want something that doesn't have to transcode it, and can still provide a menu to available options |
| 15:54.51 | herlo | beandog: you want static sources? |
| 15:55.09 | herlo | icecast doesn't do the transcode btw, it's usually on the source client |
| 15:56.10 | beandog | yah, I meant vlc there |
| 15:56.18 | beandog | gotta look at icecast. |
| 15:56.20 | beandog | hmm. |
| 15:56.31 | beandog | I vaguely recall that gnump3d might support video as well. |
| 16:00.13 | herlo | yeah, probably does, never used it though |
| 16:01.11 | utahcon | "We are ad free, please donate" - just before that statement was an ad, and just after the statement? an ad. |
| 16:01.46 | DexterTheDragon | maybe they mean the radio stream |
| 16:02.09 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: ? |
| 16:02.24 | utahcon | you mean the radio stream I am listening to? that had the ads on it? |
| 16:02.33 | utahcon | that are "ad free" |
| 16:02.57 | DexterTheDragon | oh I thought you were looking at the site |
| 16:03.01 | utahcon | no |
| 16:03.15 | utahcon | the site doesn't stream music to my ears :D |
| 16:03.30 | utahcon | Are you back from vacation already DexterTheDragon? |
| 16:03.40 | DexterTheDragon | nope |
| 16:03.48 | utahcon | then why in the world are you in here? |
| 16:04.09 | DexterTheDragon | cause I'm laying in bed doing nothing |
| 16:05.25 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:05.51 | utahcon | how was Linux Fest? |
| 16:06.05 | DexterTheDragon | it was great |
| 16:07.49 | herlo | :) yes I agree! |
| 16:08.37 | herlo | utahcon: ad free means they do PSA's and Underwriting instead |
| 16:09.01 | herlo | ad's are flashy, noisy and altogether annoying, Underwriting is calm and pointed information. |
| 16:09.14 | herlo | however, both of them are essentially advertising :) |
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| 16:09.41 | beandog | so whose stupid idea was it to get rid of that arrow on the back button on firefox |
| 16:09.46 | utahcon | herlo: these were commercials... :D |
| 16:10.05 | beandog | oh, wait, they just *moved* it. |
| 16:10.06 | beandog | geez. |
| 16:10.15 | beandog | that's not confusing. |
| 16:11.10 | herlo | wha?! |
| 16:11.35 | herlo | beandog: I'm using 3.1b3 and my back button is in the same place |
| 16:11.47 | herlo | utahcon: oh, well that's pure dumbness on their part! |
| 16:11.49 | beandog | herlo, I mean that little button next tot h back one that says *how* far to go back |
| 16:12.12 | herlo | oh, yeah, now it's just one right before both arrows |
| 16:12.22 | beandog | before? mine's after |
| 16:12.39 | herlo | right, that's what I meant, on the right |
| 16:12.53 | fungus | did 3.1b3 morph into 3.5b4 ? |
| 16:14.33 | herlo | maybe |
| 16:14.39 | herlo | it's all gonna be that anyway |
| 16:16.14 | fungus | ahh, yes, it did become 3.5 |
| 16:16.25 | fungus | How do you like it? |
| 16:16.43 | itimber | brb |
| 16:17.58 | utahcon | wtf ... http://nostarch.com/mg_databases.htm |
| 16:18.42 | herlo | fungus: it's fine so far |
| 16:19.01 | tierra | utahcon: pure awesome |
| 16:19.26 | herlo | fungus: is 3.5 now out? The 3.1b4 I have running is in Fedora's Rawhide, so I am a bit surprised that FF3.5 wouldn't be included. |
| 16:19.44 | utahcon | tierra: trying to get it for review :D |
| 16:19.47 | fungus | 3.5 isn't released |
| 16:19.52 | herlo | fungus: whew! |
| 16:19.55 | jsmith | 3.1 got renamed to 3.5 |
| 16:19.58 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: 3.1b4 is the beta for 3.5 |
| 16:20.01 | herlo | yes, I'm aware of that |
| 16:20.04 | jsmith | So what's in rawhide is the beta for 3.6 |
| 16:20.07 | jsmith | 3.5, that is |
| 16:20.13 | herlo | I'm just not clear on why fungus said this |
| 16:20.23 | herlo | 10:12 <@fungus> did 3.1b3 morph into 3.5b4 ? |
| 16:20.28 | fungus | 3.1 become 3.5 but it's still beta |
| 16:20.29 | herlo | and this 10:16 <@fungus> ahh, yes, it did become 3.5 |
| 16:20.49 | fungus | so 3.1b3 -> 3.5b4 |
| 16:20.53 | herlo | it was just a bit confusing when nothing has changed yet |
| 16:20.56 | herlo | fungus: not yet |
| 16:23.23 | fungus | Yes it has changed. |
| 16:23.30 | fungus | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5b4 |
| 16:23.42 | fungus | err http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5b4/releasenotes/ |
| 16:31.21 | herlo | hmm, must've just changed. When I looked 10 minutes ago it still said 3.1b3 |
| 16:31.40 | herlo | carmony: check out renice :) |
| 16:32.41 | carmony | very nice :) |
| 16:32.50 | herlo | yer welcome :) |
| 16:33.18 | carmony | The more I use Ubuntu server the more I'm starting to like it |
| 16:34.34 | mastergunns | question for everyone. I have a php app running in a loop. On start up, I am pulling data into an array from a mysql database, then processing the data in the array with each loop pass. I check the database for any new records, and if there are, then I add the new data to the array. this seemed faster than dipping into the database in each loop. what are the common practices for this type of data processing? I know I may not have |
| 16:35.25 | mastergunns | I guess checking the database for new data is one trip, then getting any new data is another trip. is it faster to just get all data in the table rather than processing? might be less than 100 records. |
| 16:35.54 | mgeary | anyone here have much experience migrating data from Oracle to MySQL? |
| 16:36.45 | cro | mgeary: I'm familiar with both but have never done a migration |
| 16:37.36 | jsmith | mastergunns: If you're only grabbing a few records, what you're doing is fine. |
| 16:38.02 | cro | If I had to do it I'd probably write a custom Perl script |
| 16:38.04 | jsmith | mastergunns: If you're grabbing a *lot* of data, you're going to have memory problems at some point, and need to go back to only pulling a record at a time from the database. |
| 16:38.20 | mgeary | cro: yeah, i'm thinking python |
| 16:38.27 | jsmith | mgeary: You're moving something *to* MySQL, with all the uncertainty in the world? |
| 16:38.34 | cro | or if I had SQL Server at hand, I'd use their ETL manager to do it for me, that would be good for a lot of data |
| 16:38.39 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:38.58 | mgeary | it's not me |
| 16:39.05 | mgeary | just got a call from a guy, wants me to do it |
| 16:39.15 | mgeary | i've got *thiiiiis* much experience with oracle |
| 16:39.18 | jsmith | Does he know enough to know that he wants it to be in MySQL? |
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| 16:39.39 | mgeary | they want to cluster dbs, but they can't continue paying Oracle-type fees |
| 16:40.22 | cro | Did they look into what Amazon is offering? |
| 16:40.30 | mgeary | no idea |
| 16:41.15 | jsmith | mgeary: I'd suggest they look at something like PostgreSQL Plus from enterprisedb.com |
| 16:41.31 | jsmith | mgeary: They supposedly have done a bunch of work to make it a plug-in replacement for Oracle |
| 16:41.38 | mgeary | that's cool |
| 16:41.58 | jsmith | mgeary: (of course... without knowing their exact needs, it's hard to say if it'd be a good fit or not) |
| 16:42.02 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:42.05 | mgeary | i don't know them either |
| 16:42.27 | mgeary | the guy basically just wants to know if i can help him do a one-time migration from Oracle to MySQL, and his guys will take it from there |
| 16:43.50 | cro | As long as there are no stored procedures, triggers, use of ConText, partitioned tablespaces, functional columns, or BLOBs/CLOBs, it should work |
| 16:44.01 | cro | (at least that's what I can remember) |
| 16:44.26 | mgeary | yeah. i've requested a schema of the DB in question to look for those very things |
| 16:46.08 | beandog | functional columns? |
| 16:46.21 | mgeary | columns that are functions, presumably :) |
| 16:46.28 | mgeary | like in a view |
| 16:46.31 | beandog | how does that work |
| 16:46.38 | cro | sorry, my Oracle is rusty, couldn't you define columns in a table that returned the result of a function? |
| 16:46.56 | beandog | really? |
| 16:47.00 | beandog | that's ... interesting. |
| 16:47.27 | beandog | mysql supports stored procs and triggers though |
| 16:47.32 | mgeary | yes |
| 16:47.37 | beandog | dont *think* it does partitioned tablespaces though |
| 16:47.44 | cro | true, but you'll have to port them from PL/SQL |
| 16:47.49 | beandog | oh, men |
| 16:47.50 | beandog | meh |
| 16:47.54 | beandog | that would suck. |
| 16:49.08 | mastergunns | jsmith: thanks! |
| 17:13.59 | thebigdog | utahcon, i want to get that book for my dba here |
| 17:15.21 | utahcon | thebigdog: hopefully (s)he likes manga and isn't in need of a lesson in "What is a database?" |
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| 17:16.56 | thebigdog | utahcon, more for a joke really...but funny still |
| 17:17.08 | utahcon | it's a good $20 joke :D |
| 17:18.48 | tierra | mgeary: I've heard plenty of horror stories about clustering MySQL... I hear PG is much better with clustering |
| 17:19.07 | mgeary | good to know. Ultimately it won't be my concern/problem |
| 17:19.18 | tierra | I don't have personal experience with it though |
| 17:19.25 | mgeary | and with this client, i'm not sure how engaged i want to get |
| 17:19.37 | thebigdog | mgeary, what is funny is that oracle will be adding licensing for innodb engine |
| 17:20.31 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:20.43 | mgeary | yeah, i need to move everything over to postgres, methinks |
| 17:22.22 | beandog | thebigdog, what? |
| 17:22.26 | beandog | into oracle? |
| 17:23.04 | thebigdog | beandog, oracle owns innodb now |
| 17:23.13 | beandog | yah I knew that |
| 17:23.28 | beandog | but theyre gonna start licensing innodb? |
| 17:23.29 | beandog | for mysql? |
| 17:23.45 | thebigdog | they have to make money right |
| 17:25.38 | beandog | what, they dont have enough? |
| 17:26.28 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:26.38 | thebigdog | beandog, you love mysql? |
| 17:26.57 | beandog | thebigdog, no |
| 17:27.00 | beandog | ~soap mindjuju |
| 17:27.01 | beandog | er |
| 17:27.05 | beandog | wow that was totally reflex. |
| 17:27.08 | beandog | ~soap thebigdog |
| 17:27.15 | beandog | thebigdog, I *use* mysql. |
| 17:27.19 | beandog | I *love* postgresql :D |
| 17:27.41 | beandog | Im actually in the process of converting our MyISAM tables to InnoDB at work right now |
| 17:27.59 | fungus | Last time I played with MySQL clustering, it still required the entire database to be in-memory. about 2-3 years ago. |
| 17:28.55 | thebigdog | beandog, time to pay the piper |
| 17:29.30 | beandog | thebigdog, fine with me, I'll just use that as more ammo to convince my boss to switch |
| 17:30.36 | beandog | gimme all your twinkies ... you don't want swine flu, do you!? |
| 17:33.20 | jsmith | ~twinkie beandog |
| 17:34.14 | jsmith | ibot: twinkie $victim is <action> takes a twinkie from $who, slurps the filling out, and then hands it to $victim |
| 17:34.14 | ibot | okay, jsmith |
| 17:34.19 | jsmith | ~twinkie beandog |
| 17:34.43 | jsmith | Oh c'mon... what's up with ibot today? |
| 17:35.06 | beandog | lol, that's a great one |
| 17:35.08 | fungus | ibot, swineflu is http://twitpic.com/47qk5 |
| 17:35.08 | ibot | fungus: okay |
| 17:35.19 | beandog | jsmith, try a comma |
| 17:36.30 | fungus | ibot, twinkie $victim is <action> takes a twinkie from $who, slurps the filling out, and then hands it to $victim |
| 17:36.30 | ibot | fungus: i already had it that way |
| 17:36.51 | beandog | weerd. |
| 17:37.38 | jsmith | ~literal twinkie |
| 17:37.38 | ibot | "twinkie" is "see entry for twinkies" |
| 17:37.48 | jsmith | ~literal twinkie $1 |
| 17:37.53 | fungus | ~literal cmd: twinkie (.*?) |
| 17:37.53 | ibot | "cmd: twinkie (.*?)" is "($victim): <action> takes a twinkie from $who, slurps the filling out, and then hands it to $victim" |
| 17:38.03 | fungus | ~twinkie jsmith |
| 17:38.17 | jsmith | ~literal zap |
| 17:38.17 | ibot | "zap" is "<action> zaps $who in the head with an overvoltaged tazer" |
| 17:38.24 | jsmith | ~literal zap $1 |
| 17:38.47 | fungus | ~literal cmd: zap (.*?) |
| 17:38.47 | ibot | "cmd: zap (.*?)" is "($1): <action> takes out a cattle prod and gives $1 a good jolt." |
| 17:39.31 | jsmith | Weird... not sure why it isn't working |
| 17:39.51 | jsmith | ibot: no, twinkie $1 is <action> takes a twinkie from $who, slurps the filling out, and then hands it to $1 |
| 17:39.51 | ibot | jsmith: okay |
| 17:39.55 | DexterTheDragon | ~zap jsmith |
| 17:39.59 | jsmith | ~twinkie DexterTheDragon |
| 17:40.08 | DexterTheDragon | its borked |
| 17:40.11 | fungus | I think all of ibots commands are borked |
| 17:40.50 | fungus | ~whaleslap DexterTheDragon |
| 17:41.00 | fungus | ~lart ibot |
| 17:41.01 | ibot | takes a big bite out of fungus's jugular vein |
| 17:41.22 | fungus | Except lart, because that is a separate module, not a normal command. |
| 17:49.11 | mindjuju | ugh, finally -- lunch time |
| 17:49.16 | mindjuju | beandog - have you seen this?? |
| 17:49.21 | mindjuju | http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm |
| 17:56.13 | herlo | mindjuju: lunch? I'm hungry too :) |
| 17:59.32 | beandog | mindjuju, intresting |
| 17:59.38 | beandog | I didnt really like The Lion King though |
| 18:02.11 | fungus | All art is built upon prior art, especially Disney stuff. |
| 18:02.51 | fungus | Which is strange because Disney is notorious for being the copyright extender defender. |
| 18:03.22 | herlo | it's been said that 'nobody can do to Walt Disney what they have done to The Brothers' Grimm' |
| 18:03.52 | beandog | fungus, true |
| 18:04.08 | beandog | like anyones going to care if Mickey Mouse goes into public domain |
| 18:04.23 | beandog | its not like he's being used anyway, besides really crappy low quality straight-to DVD movies. |
| 18:05.19 | mindjuju | johnny breaks chicago is on di.fm/breaks |
| 18:05.25 | mindjuju | and is in rare form |
| 18:06.21 | jsmith | mindjuju: Don't you know that both cartoons were based off of hamlet? |
| 18:07.00 | beandog | hamlet. like that was ever popular. |
| 18:07.04 | fungus | Exactly my point, It's not a big deal, it happens all the time. |
| 18:07.24 | mindjuju | mel gibson hamlet or Kenneth Branaugh hamlet ? |
| 18:07.31 | fungus | lol |
| 18:07.33 | beandog | mel gibson did one? |
| 18:07.37 | fungus | yup |
| 18:07.39 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:07.41 | beandog | really?? |
| 18:07.41 | herlo | mindjuju: it's all good |
| 18:07.44 | beandog | oy |
| 18:07.49 | mindjuju | i like mel gibson hamlet |
| 18:07.50 | mindjuju | tis good |
| 18:07.59 | fungus | but the Kenneth Brannagh version is more complete and compelling. |
| 18:08.08 | mindjuju | love brannagh's work |
| 18:08.28 | mindjuju | much ado about nothing -- best Shakespeare on film since henry V |
| 18:08.32 | mindjuju | by brannagh |
| 18:08.42 | fungus | And Dead Again |
| 18:09.01 | mindjuju | i liked dead again, but not as much as much ado |
| 18:09.24 | mgeary | ~Rosencranz and Guildenstern Are Dead ++++++++++++ |
| 18:09.24 | ibot | okay, mgeary |
| 18:09.35 | mgeary | uh, yeah |
| 18:09.52 | mindjuju | it's too bad he and Emma Thompson broke up |
| 18:10.46 | beandog | I liked him in Harry Potter |
| 18:10.47 | beandog | :D |
| 18:10.49 | mindjuju | dezertol, do you play TF2? |
| 18:27.34 | fungus | ~Rosencranz and Guildenstern |
| 18:27.34 | ibot | rosencranz and guildenstern are Dead ++++++++++++ |
| 18:34.20 | jsmith | On that same note... you guys know that Strange Brew is also based on Hamlet, right? |
| 18:34.31 | mindjuju | of course, eh! |
| 18:35.00 | mindjuju | this isn't based on hamlet, but on somebody who sent somebody else to their 10yr high school reunion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbRuKbOSqao |
| 18:35.10 | mindjuju | the somebody else is an "exotic" dancer |
| 18:35.11 | stderr | shakespeare in love++ |
| 18:35.17 | mindjuju | link appears tame thus far |
| 18:37.30 | mindjuju | oh wow, maybe not safe |
| 18:37.35 | unum | george lucas in love++ |
| 18:45.03 | beandog | mindjuju, lol |
| 18:45.48 | unum | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5058529870025933880 |
| 18:45.59 | beandog | who wants a bmw anyway |
| 18:48.57 | mindjuju | unum, that's hilarious, have you ever noticed though that george lucas looks a little like mgeary? |
| 18:49.12 | mindjuju | in that link, i mean |
| 18:52.09 | DexterTheDragon | maybe mgeary is george lucas... |
| 18:53.03 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 18:54.38 | beandog | were you crowned? |
| 18:54.48 | mindjuju | bk burgers are the best |
| 18:56.04 | beandog | bk++ |
| 18:56.40 | mindjuju | i wonder if they are going to add to Dr. Horrible |
| 18:57.35 | utahcon | beandog: was not crowned... I only wanted to partake in their nations finest foods. |
| 18:58.00 | beandog | does anyone else remember those bk commercials from like 15 years ago |
| 18:58.05 | beandog | when they went to try and find people who never had BK |
| 18:58.12 | beandog | mgeary, have fun at the zoo |
| 18:58.15 | beandog | be sure to pet the boas |
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| 19:31.14 | Dezertol | 15 years ago.. wasnt' like a couple months ago |
| 19:34.32 | utahcon | Dezertol: how time flies |
| 19:35.15 | Dezertol | when ever I go to bk i end up getting taco'sx |
| 19:35.22 | Dezertol | there just like Jack in th box taco's |
| 19:35.31 | Dezertol | creapy and wrong but sooooo good |
| 19:36.04 | utahcon | tacos from a burger joint? I do it too :( |
| 19:36.30 | Dezertol | theyr'e fantastic.. but just wrong.. on so many levels |
| 19:36.42 | Dezertol | like deep fried or somthing |
| 19:37.16 | Dezertol | don't know for sure.. but there good |
| 19:47.16 | jsmith | Last time I had one, I got really sick... and since Jack in the Box doesn't have a great reputation, I stopped eating there |
| 19:47.56 | herlo | it was good! |
| 19:48.41 | herlo | It was at The Bayou and itimber had some too iirc |
| 19:49.38 | Dezertol | the Jack in the boxes in AZ are good |
| 19:49.48 | Dezertol | never even heard of someone getting sick from there |
| 19:49.59 | Dezertol | and the only one in utah is in st. george |
| 19:50.27 | Dezertol | there is one up in like twin falls idaho.. I think.. but not sure |
| 19:50.51 | herlo | jitb is evil! |
| 19:50.54 | Dezertol | they got good salads of all things |
| 19:51.47 | unum | there's one on the eastern side of southern utah |
| 19:53.45 | jsmith | Dezertol: What, you're not old enough to remember the E. Coli thing at Jack-in-the-Box? |
| 19:54.06 | unum | i remember that |
| 19:54.14 | unum | there used to be one in south salt lake |
| 19:54.22 | unum | it looked like it had E. Coli |
| 19:54.38 | Dezertol | I only moved here a couple years go |
| 19:54.46 | Dezertol | from AZ |
| 19:54.58 | Dezertol | never had any issues there with Jack in the box |
| 19:55.09 | Dezertol | the only one currently in utah is in st george |
| 19:55.37 | Dezertol | obvisouly.. the shut the one down up here |
| 19:55.54 | Dezertol | for.. health code.. from the sounds of it |
| 19:56.35 | Dezertol | all the one in az that I went to where clean looking.. |
| 19:57.03 | unum | I thought I ate at one in south eastern utah, maybe it was arizona |
| 19:57.05 | Dezertol | there was an E. Coli scare at taco bell down there |
| 19:57.15 | Dezertol | ya there is on in page |
| 19:57.24 | Dezertol | and that's in az ... but just across the boarder |
| 19:57.36 | Dezertol | like.. all of 10 min out of utah |
| 19:57.46 | unum | ya that was the one |
| 19:58.03 | unum | I was driving back from the grand canyon |
| 19:58.09 | Dezertol | ya |
| 19:58.15 | Dezertol | you would have went right threw there |
| 19:58.30 | Dezertol | unless you took the jacob's lake road |
| 19:58.36 | unum | I think I ate at one of the ones in mesquite on the way back from vegas as well |
| 19:58.56 | unum | I wonder if the same guy owns all of those |
| 19:59.10 | Dezertol | only went to vages a couple times.. and eating a jack in the box wasn't on the list of things to do |
| 19:59.10 | Dezertol | lol |
| 19:59.23 | Dezertol | I've never eatn at the one in page |
| 19:59.41 | Dezertol | I'm justing passing that place at 70 m/p |
| 19:59.41 | unum | looked waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the one that used to be in south salt lake |
| 19:59.54 | Dezertol | ya |
| 20:00.02 | Dezertol | the ones in mesa/phoneix |
| 20:00.07 | Dezertol | where always clean |
| 20:00.33 | Dezertol | when you consider that the bulk of there clients are old people that complain about everything |
| 20:00.40 | Dezertol | you kinda have to |
| 20:00.45 | Dezertol | if you want to stay in business |
| 20:02.22 | Dezertol | I usually get there southwest salad |
| 20:02.24 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:02.36 | Dezertol | it's got a nice chipolti dressing |
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| 20:53.43 | Heartsbane | http://www.doihavepigflu.com/ |
| 20:54.00 | herlo | Dezertol: chipotle |
| 20:55.39 | jsmith | Heartsbane: Call the swine flu hotline: +1-253-243-1726 |
| 20:55.59 | mindjuju | i need to order me some masks |
| 20:59.32 | Heartsbane | I am not dialing that... |
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| 21:07.40 | josephscott | mindjuju: is there a geek lunch this Friday? |
| 21:15.56 | herlo | josephscott: there's supposed to be |
| 21:16.06 | josephscott | herlo: have any details on it? |
| 21:19.25 | herlo | josephscott: well, I think there was some discussion about Tepanyaki |
| 21:19.34 | herlo | there's one on 2100 S and 300 W |
| 21:20.14 | herlo | mindjuju: you interested in posting about tepanyaki this Friday? |
| 21:20.18 | josephscott | herlo: you've got commented out spam in the footer of http://blog.utos.org/ |
| 21:20.27 | herlo | I do? |
| 21:20.29 | herlo | ah crap |
| 21:20.52 | herlo | josephscott: where? |
| 21:20.59 | herlo | is it only in the source? |
| 21:21.14 | josephscott | view source, in the footer just above the RSS links |
| 21:21.19 | herlo | k, hang on |
| 21:21.55 | herlo | you mean this: <!-- <a href="http://webhostinggeeks.com">Web Hosting Top</a> by <a href="http://www.emzr.com/">Yoga Enclyopedia</a> | <a href="http://www.gogglesearch-engine.com">Goggle</a> | <a href="http://www.jbosolutions.co.uk">Digital Photo Frames</a>--> </div> |
| 21:22.04 | josephscott | yep |
| 21:22.11 | herlo | that was there before, I did the commenting |
| 21:22.16 | herlo | but I guess I should just remove it |
| 21:22.58 | josephscott | beware themes that bring uninvited guests |
| 21:23.05 | herlo | josephscott: gone |
| 21:23.16 | herlo | josephscott: how familiar are you with wordpress-mu? |
| 21:23.33 | josephscott | wordpress.com uses, so I look at it every day |
| 21:23.45 | josephscott | s/uses/uses it/ |
| 21:25.00 | herlo | hmm, do you know how the images work? I have looked around and can't get the migrated images to load |
| 21:25.14 | josephscott | from an import? |
| 21:25.43 | herlo | yeah |
| 21:26.02 | herlo | for instance, http://www.utos.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/Screenshot-BuddyList1.png |
| 21:26.22 | herlo | oh, woops! But even still that didn't work before... |
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| 21:27.21 | utx | how to fix that error ? : http://php.pastebin.com/m930e2d1 |
| 21:28.26 | herlo | utx: is that directed at me? |
| 21:28.55 | fungus | remove the open_basedir restriction, add /home/user to your open_basedir, or move the include to /home/utx |
| 21:29.13 | herlo | oh, guess not |
| 21:29.19 | josephscott | utx: http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ini.sect.safe-mode.php#ini.open-basedir |
| 21:30.09 | utx | thanks guys |
| 21:31.48 | herlo | josephscott: okay, visit http://www.utos.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/Screenshot-BuddyList1.png |
| 21:31.52 | herlo | now you'll see my issue |
| 21:32.32 | josephscott | ok, obvious questions first, does the file exist? Is it listed in the media section of wp-admin? |
| 21:32.51 | herlo | well, hang on |
| 21:33.07 | herlo | now I'm trying to figure out what happened ot utos.org, this is getting annoyong |
| 21:33.09 | herlo | annoying |
| 21:34.05 | utx | fungus, I will create a .htaccess : php_admin_value open_basedir "/home/user", is it logical? |
| 21:34.54 | utx | before, I must remove the open_basedir restriction. |
| 21:35.33 | herlo | josephscott: okay, there we go. Let me check on the media stuff now |
| 21:35.49 | herlo | josephscott: oh, btw, should I be looking in the admin section or in the actual blog? |
| 21:35.58 | fungus | I don't think you can modify the open_basedir in a .htaccess, it's gotta be in the VirtualHost or Server config. |
| 21:36.27 | utx | hmm. |
| 21:36.28 | josephscott | herlo: first, check the file exists in that directory, then check wp-admin |
| 21:36.54 | herlo | josephscott: in what directory? wp-content/uploads/... ? |
| 21:36.56 | herlo | it doesn't |
| 21:37.09 | herlo | here's what I get in the media section of hte admin... |
| 21:37.11 | josephscott | well there's the first problem :-) |
| 21:37.14 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.20 | herlo | which doesn't seem right to me |
| 21:39.45 | josephscott | just the import file that you used, no other media listed. sounds like the media files on the old blog didn't get imported then |
| 21:39.47 | utx | fungus, this error are the same for all users. :S |
| 21:39.53 | herlo | josephscott: you can kind of read this... http://herlo.org/misc/wp-import.png |
| 21:40.06 | utx | how can I add openbasedir for all users? |
| 21:40.47 | herlo | josephscott: okay, so I still have the old blog available. Is there something I need to do to get the import of images? |
| 21:40.51 | herlo | brb |
| 21:40.55 | fungus | utx, are you sure that file to include is supposed to be in "/home/user/", or is it just a path that's messed up? |
| 21:42.20 | utx | yes I'm sure. http://www.sibersahne.com/ |
| 21:42.32 | utx | look at the error. |
| 21:42.35 | utx | please. |
| 21:43.12 | fungus | Ok, so if the file to include is supposed to be in /home/user/public_html/index.php, then you need to add that path the system open_basedir config. |
| 21:43.38 | fungus | probably in /etc/php.ini, /etc/php/php.ini, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini or something like that. |
| 21:43.46 | josephscott | herlo: looks like the wp import from wordpress doesn't support media at this point |
| 21:43.59 | fungus | Or possibly in the Apache config as a php_admin_value |
| 21:44.18 | herlo | josephscott: okay, that's fine, it might be easier to just move the media over. |
| 21:45.06 | josephscott | last time I looked the data for the media files is included in the export file, but the import process doesn't do anything with them |
| 21:45.30 | utx | fungus: so I will add php_admin_value open_basedir "/home/sibersah" for sibersahne.com vhost. |
| 21:46.57 | fungus | utx, Where is your open_basedir defined? |
| 21:47.09 | herlo | josephscott: okay, so here's a better question then, can I just put the media somewhere and point at it? |
| 21:47.10 | utahcon | josephscott: isn't there an import media option in 2.7? |
| 21:48.04 | josephscott | herlo: you could, there won't be any DB entries for that media in WP though |
| 21:48.20 | utx | fungus, for sibersahne.com ? |
| 21:48.28 | herlo | josephscott: ugh, okay. So the solution is to help you write the media import then? |
| 21:48.30 | fungus | utx, if you are running a shared hosting system, you'll want a custom open_basedir for each virtualhost. that should be set to a complete path to all dirs that the user should be able to access. |
| 21:48.38 | josephscott | utahcon: someone may have written one, I'm not familiar with any |
| 21:49.22 | fungus | an example might be: /home/sibersah:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php:/tmp |
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| 21:49.27 | josephscott | I think the biggest problem with media import is changing URLs |
| 21:49.53 | utx | php_admin_value open_basedir /home/sibersah:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php:/tmp |
| 21:49.58 | utx | right? |
| 21:50.01 | fungus | right. |
| 21:50.05 | utx | cool. |
| 21:50.15 | herlo | josephscott: yeah, I'm thinking that's really my difficulty |
| 21:50.20 | utx | Thank you very much fungus. |
| 21:50.36 | fungus | Sure, good luck |
| 21:50.43 | DexterTheDragon | lol |
| 21:50.52 | josephscott | newer versions of WP use relative path for that, but that could potentially change in a move (export/import) as well |
| 21:51.54 | herlo | yeah, but it could be as simple as adding a reference point... |
| 21:52.04 | josephscott | herlo: might be worth a few minutes looking through WP plugins to see if there any out there that would help in this situation |
| 21:53.00 | herlo | josephscott: k. That'll probably be valuable time. |
| 21:53.20 | herlo | here's my frustration though, even with the current setup, I can't get images to appear. Seems odd overall |
| 21:53.40 | herlo | and I've dug a bit for documentation on wp-mu with images and nothing appears to be specific enough to help me |
| 21:54.04 | josephscott | this one has a promising name - http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/import-legacy-media/ |
| 21:54.25 | herlo | but again, that only partially solves my problem |
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| 22:06.45 | macnewbold | http://imgur.com/27K39.jpg |
| 22:06.57 | macnewbold | one of the guys at work made that, after some jokes about swine flu |
| 22:07.56 | fungus | ~swineflu |
| 22:07.56 | ibot | from memory, swineflu is http://twitpic.com/47qk5 |
| 22:10.31 | stderr | macnewbold: really? it's been all over reddit the past couple days. |
| 22:14.42 | macnewbold | someone sent out the pig kissing pic, then he added the words i assumed. if he just grabbed it from somewhere, I'll have to have a little talk with him |
| 22:15.10 | macnewbold | cool, looks like whyisjake posted it too |
| 22:15.16 | macnewbold | k, not as funny now :( |
| 22:15.39 | fungus | oh, it's still cute, and funny |
| 22:17.52 | stderr | macnewbold: :( |
| 22:18.16 | stderr | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/8fx3x/you_have_doomed_us_all_pic/ |
| 22:19.05 | stderr | greyspace is actually the guy who originally came up with it |
| 22:19.06 | stderr | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/8fp3a/scientists_are_still_baffled_as_to_what_could_be/c09506y |
| 22:19.08 | beandog | stderr, lol |
| 22:23.28 | unum | maybe /. has the answer to lessig.org is down |
| 22:23.47 | unum | though I wouldn't think his whole domain would be down unless it's just swamped because of publicity |
| 22:29.14 | jsmith-away | unum: DNS issue, perchance? I'm not able to look up that domain in DNS |
| 22:36.44 | herlo | josephscott: I've got that plugin working, but unfortunately it still doesn't link the images up to the posts/pages. I'm going to have to go back through each of the posts/pages and relink them up. Guess it's better than not having the images available at all |
| 22:41.21 | fungus | unum: no response from primary dns server, and SERVFAIL messages from ns2 and ns3 |
| 22:41.53 | fungus | unlikely a swamped issue, more likely a DoS attack, or simple server issues. |
| 22:42.20 | herlo | okay, next thing. I want a redirectmatch or a mod_rewrite rule that can redirect everything but wp-admin(/.*)$ |
| 22:42.27 | herlo | any quick thoughts on this? |
| 22:47.50 | herlo | hrm |
| 22:50.27 | fungus | Play with your balls at work |
| 22:50.35 | fungus | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/bbe8/ |
| 22:52.57 | herlo | yeah, those are ocol |
| 22:52.58 | herlo | cool |
| 23:23.27 | bradym | herlo, figure out your mod_rewrite stuff? |
| 23:27.28 | herlo | not yet, but I am working on other things now |
| 23:27.43 | herlo | bradym: if you have a minute though, I'd love to hear your ideas and I'll look at them shortly |
| 23:34.10 | bradym | herlo, something like: |
| 23:34.14 | bradym | RewriteCond !^wp-admin |
| 23:34.21 | bradym | RewriteRule (.*) somewhere-else |
| 23:34.43 | bradym | not exactly sure what you're going for, but that should do what you mentioned above |
| 23:35.08 | herlo | ahh, it's the ! |
| 23:35.22 | herlo | thanks |
| 23:35.44 | bradym | np |
| 23:37.14 | herlo | bradym: that gives me an error because of the ! |
| 23:37.52 | bradym | strange, i use it like that all the time |
| 23:38.16 | bradym | one sec, lemme check one of my rules make sure i didn't leve out something |
| 23:38.23 | herlo | did you include the %{REQUEST_FILENAME} or something? |
| 23:39.32 | bradym | Yeah, should have been RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !^wp-admin |
| 23:39.48 | bradym | oops |
| 23:39.52 | herlo | hrm |
| 23:39.56 | herlo | http://utos.org/wp-admin/ |
| 23:39.58 | herlo | bradym: ^^ |
| 23:40.10 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.10 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.17 | herlo | that's what I have in my config |
| 23:41.03 | herlo | everything redirects there for utos.org |
| 23:41.20 | bradym | you tried without the / in the first line? |
| 23:41.28 | bradym | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.36 | herlo | tried that too |
| 23:41.49 | bradym | can you look at your error_log and see what it's complaining about? |
| 23:41.54 | herlo | sure hang on |
| 23:42.35 | herlo | [Wed Apr 29 17:41:24 2009] [error] [client 70.99.189.194] Request exceeded the limit of 25 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace. |
| 23:43.09 | bradym | ok, try this: RewriteRule (.*) http://blog.utos.org/$1 [L] |
| 23:43.21 | herlo | yeah, just did htat :) |
| 23:43.22 | herlo | lol |
| 23:43.25 | herlo | trying now |
| 23:45.06 | herlo | bradym: that sorta works |
| 23:45.48 | herlo | still get the error as above, but specifically for wp-admin |
| 23:45.57 | herlo | oh, wait, that was you |
| 23:46.25 | bradym | yeah, i've been playing around to see if it's working |
| 23:46.41 | herlo | start with: http://utos.org/wp-admin/ |
| 23:46.50 | herlo | get: http://blog.utos.orgwp-admin/ |
| 23:47.13 | herlo | it shouldn't be redirecting imo |
| 23:47.25 | bradym | ugh.. i've seen this kind of thing before, trying to remember how we fixed it |
| 23:47.28 | bradym | yeah, i agree |
| 23:48.11 | herlo | well, I got it to redirect now, but that's not gonna help :( |
| 23:48.51 | bradym | try putting the / back in the rewritecond like you had it originally |
| 23:49.13 | bradym | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !^/wp-admin |
| 23:51.12 | herlo | did that already |
| 23:51.21 | herlo | not changing anything yet... |
| 23:52.06 | herlo | well, it redirects to http://blog.utos.org/wp-admin/ at least it's not failing anymore :) |
| 23:53.16 | herlo | I need to run now, but I'll catch up with you later. Thanks for the help |
| 23:53.24 | bradym | np |
| 23:57.09 | bradym | herlo: when you get back, I was using the wrong var -- should have been RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/wp-admin -- actually tested this one |
| 23:58.03 | carmony | anyone here ever use htop? |
| 23:58.27 | carmony | on the cpu bar |
| 23:58.36 | carmony | whats the difference between green and red? |
| 23:59.52 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: press h while in htop |
