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| 15:18.17 | carmony | good morning |
| 15:18.55 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
| 15:19.29 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:19.49 | jsmith | ~cookie |
| 15:20.03 | jsmith | ~zippy |
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| 16:27.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone here? |
| 16:28.49 | mgeary | ~crickets |
| 16:28.49 | ibot | ACTION chirps uninterestedly |
| 16:29.51 | Lone_Wanderer | So, are you familiar with oswd.org? I think it's .org |
| 16:30.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. Open Source Web Design. |
| 16:30.03 | mgeary | i'm not |
| 16:30.19 | Lone_Wanderer | People put up web designs that you can use free. |
| 16:30.46 | Dezertol | is there any lame.. "you must include my name" stuff |
| 16:32.20 | Dezertol | like.. I'm not going to put ther logo site/copy right at the bottom |
| 16:32.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Some of them do that, but usually it's just a little thing in the footer. "Design by Whoever" |
| 16:32.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Or it's in HTML comments |
| 16:32.42 | burnin | some of them may require that you never acknowledge who made it... http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3693 |
| 16:32.45 | Dezertol | I'd be ok with it in the html comments |
| 16:33.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Good god, that's hideous. |
| 16:33.18 | Dezertol | but I'd just as soon do a knock off with my own work |
| 16:34.38 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, about oswd - the problem I have with it is that the designs aren't interchangeable |
| 16:35.10 | Lone_Wanderer | If I want to redesign my site, I'd really much rather just replace the CSS file and a few graphics that the CSS refers to |
| 16:35.32 | Lone_Wanderer | as opposed to what I have to do currently - go in and mess around with dang near everything |
| 16:36.34 | Lone_Wanderer | it seems like an unnecessary amount of work. My site doesn't have anything unusual in it. I've got a menu section, some content, the occasional pullquote, etc. Almost every site has these exact same things. |
| 16:37.40 | Lone_Wanderer | So, the point of all this - shouldn't it be possible to develop some kind of standard which, if a graphic designer built their CSS to conform to it, would make it possible to simply swap out CSS files to completely redesign my site (and most other people's sites too)? |
| 16:39.45 | mindjuju1 | Lone_Wanderer - http://www.csszengarden.com/ does that |
| 16:40.53 | mindjuju1 | the links on the right are different CSS files that can be loaded to change the way the page looks |
| 16:41.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I know |
| 16:42.13 | mindjuju1 | is that what you were asking, not sure i understood |
| 16:42.27 | Lone_Wanderer | But csszengarden has a fairly exotic structure. |
| 16:42.31 | mindjuju1 | utahcon, at home today, did yard work 4 days striaght and roasted my brain |
| 16:42.40 | mindjuju1 | who knew you could get a sun burn on the top of your head |
| 16:42.53 | Lone_Wanderer | And it's used as an example of how to use CSS |
| 16:43.20 | utahcon | mindjuju1: I have burned 95% of my body... |
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| 16:44.01 | herlo | utahcon: oops |
| 16:44.12 | herlo | oh hai, I'm back from Washington and LFNW :) |
| 16:44.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Not as an actual business site that people want to change and update regularly |
| 16:44.22 | utahcon | how as LFNW? |
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| 16:45.03 | itimber | sup guys |
| 16:45.38 | mindjuju | sup yo |
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| 16:54.00 | carmony_mac | hey itimber, were you at old navy on saturday? |
| 16:54.14 | itimber | sure 'nuff |
| 16:54.17 | itimber | you there? |
| 16:54.25 | itimber | should've said hi! |
| 16:54.28 | carmony_mac | LOL, yeah, I was walking out when you were checking out |
| 16:54.29 | itimber | didn't even see ya |
| 16:54.35 | itimber | ah, cool |
| 16:54.48 | carmony_mac | lol, I was like "Hey, is that itimber ?" but we were running late to meet up with some people |
| 16:55.03 | itimber | oh, no big.... ya I was there |
| 16:55.05 | itimber | LOL |
| 16:55.11 | carmony_mac | lol, I thought it was you :P |
| 16:55.14 | herlo | utahcon: it was rad |
| 16:55.21 | carmony_mac | it was a rare "itimber" sighting! |
| 16:55.27 | itimber | LOL |
| 16:55.29 | itimber | fo sho |
| 16:55.43 | itimber | not often that I come out of my cave |
| 16:55.44 | itimber | LOL |
| 16:55.54 | itimber | we should do lunch again sometime |
| 16:55.59 | herlo | itimber: you own a cave? |
| 16:56.20 | herlo | itimber: may 1 is the next geek lunch iirc |
| 16:56.32 | itimber | sure do |
| 16:56.42 | itimber | may 1? where at? |
| 16:57.40 | utahcon | just finished installing SQL Explorer for Eclipse... |
| 16:57.48 | utahcon | looking at other plugins too |
| 16:58.18 | Lone_Wanderer | And I haven't even downloaded it. |
| 16:59.06 | utahcon | why not? |
| 16:59.16 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/downloads/ take a look at that page. Try to look at it with an "I'm new to Eclipse" perspective. |
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| 17:00.04 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: Totally agree... it is daunting... |
| 17:00.06 | utahcon | but... |
| 17:00.16 | utahcon | allow me to lead you... :d |
| 17:00.24 | utahcon | grab an All-In-One |
| 17:01.00 | utahcon | once it get it running look through eclipse.org's plugins and grab anything extra you need (you don't NEED anything, but there are some nice ones) |
| 17:01.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I found that all-in-ones |
| 17:01.22 | herlo | itimber: recommend a place? |
| 17:01.29 | Lone_Wanderer | but come on. the first link on the page is "PHP Debugger plug-in [required for debugging]" |
| 17:01.41 | itimber | Good sushi here in Ogden |
| 17:01.44 | itimber | Kobe |
| 17:01.51 | itimber | 1 sec, I'll get a link |
| 17:02.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Then two options, and I don't know what they mean... it just seems like they could have a block up top that says "Here's what you want" and then below that a list of the sundries |
| 17:02.34 | itimber | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kobe+in+Ogden,+UT&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.910968,80.947266&ie=UTF8&z=12&iwloc=A |
| 17:02.42 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: http://wiki.eclipse.org/PDT/Installation |
| 17:02.45 | utahcon | did you read that? |
| 17:02.50 | utahcon | It is ... sorta helpful |
| 17:02.51 | herlo | itimber: is there a critical mass of people up that way? I'm thinking it'd be useful if it were like layton or bountiful for sure. how many ppl live up that way would go during lunch? |
| 17:03.00 | herlo | ~tinyurl itimber |
| 17:03.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't even know there *was* a wiki. |
| 17:03.23 | utahcon | it is right on the homepage of eclipse.org/pdt |
| 17:03.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but I'm trying to download a software package. Should I really have to read a freaking manual just to get it installed? |
| 17:04.41 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: I am on your side there... it is a bit silly to get up and running, but once you do... it is a dream... well maybe not a dream but it is nice to use. |
| 17:04.46 | utahcon | and is there anything eclipse can't do? |
| 17:05.00 | cro | run fast |
| 17:05.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Sounds kind of like emacs. |
| 17:05.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Can it check my mail? |
| 17:05.18 | mgeary | i'd like a UPHPU presentation that is a How-To on web development using Eclipse |
| 17:05.30 | DexterTheDragon | ~cro++ |
| 17:05.48 | utahcon | mgeary: That would be cool. |
| 17:05.49 | itimber | herlo: itimber, carmony and DexterTheDragon I believe |
| 17:05.55 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: I don't know... let me check |
| 17:06.04 | mindjuju | let's see, who uses eclipse and could present |
| 17:06.08 | mindjuju | thebigdog |
| 17:06.11 | cro | lone_wanderer: If you aren't dead set on Eclipse, try NetBeans with the PHP packages |
| 17:06.32 | cro | http://www.netbeans.org/features/php/index.html |
| 17:06.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone said I should try Eclipse with an SVN plugin, since TortoiseSVN breaks my computer's wireless network card for some reason. |
| 17:06.49 | utahcon | netbeans is ok |
| 17:08.02 | Dezertol | if eclipse had a vi plug that actually worked.. I'd be tempted |
| 17:08.22 | Dezertol | I use eclipse only when I have a bunch of stuff that I need to edit.. like a theme or something on a site |
| 17:08.40 | Dezertol | but for raw dev ... it's back to just Eterm + vi |
| 17:09.08 | Dezertol | even with the "snippets" section.. |
| 17:09.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I heard someone in #vim say that they put vim inside some sort of framework on a Windows machine |
| 17:09.38 | Lone_Wanderer | that lets you do a lot of cool stuff with it |
| 17:09.43 | Lone_Wanderer | but that it was a pain to set up |
| 17:10.03 | Dezertol | I don't use windows for anything |
| 17:10.20 | Dezertol | I have one windows xp box |
| 17:10.24 | Dezertol | I use for gameing when I have time |
| 17:10.30 | Dezertol | but it's powered off most of the time |
| 17:10.38 | herlo | itimber: DexterTheDragon is in Washington until next week :) |
| 17:10.52 | herlo | itimber: but you forgot thebigdog :) |
| 17:11.19 | Dezertol | eclipse runs well in linux and I like the svn/cvs stuff |
| 17:11.31 | itimber | I think thebigdog works in SLC now... didn't forget |
| 17:11.34 | Dezertol | takes a lot of the pain out of it |
| 17:11.52 | herlo | oh, maybe he works in SLC, I just know he lives up that way :) |
| 17:13.14 | itimber | anyone tried this place: http://tinyurl.com/cc8pb7 |
| 17:13.40 | itimber | ya... lives out here, works in SLC, AFAIK |
| 17:13.48 | herlo | itimber: tepanyaki is good :) |
| 17:15.57 | herlo | itimber: fuji sushi? |
| 17:16.02 | herlo | I think it's a new place |
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| 17:17.23 | itimber | I'd be down for tepanyaki |
| 17:17.34 | itimber | tried them once, wasn't bad |
| 17:19.34 | Utah_Dave | there's a tepanyaki in Lehi!! Me and a co-worker would show up there |
| 17:20.46 | herlo | Utah_Dave: yeah, maybe we should do a tepanyaki geek lunch.... |
| 17:20.52 | herlo | in two counties, Utah and Davis |
| 17:22.38 | carmony_mac | its here a tempanyaki in layton |
| 17:22.47 | carmony_mac | isn't there* |
| 17:23.13 | herlo | carmony_mac: yes |
| 17:23.21 | carmony_mac | I'm also a big Eclipse User :P |
| 17:24.14 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/tepanyaki-layton |
| 17:24.17 | herlo | carmony_mac: ^^ |
| 17:26.40 | trevyn | carmony_mac: hows it going? |
| 17:28.28 | carmony_mac | super busy. Landed a web dev deal with Dell and Alienware that has me working 70-80 weeks until |
| 17:28.30 | carmony_mac | June 1st |
| 17:29.28 | Dezertol | I find it very hard to estimate how much time things take me |
| 17:29.35 | trevyn | Nice! Check in if things get slow or if you need some help. |
| 17:29.42 | Dezertol | I always seem to think I can do it faster then I can |
| 17:29.43 | Dezertol | lol |
| 17:32.12 | trevyn | Dezertol: time it by 3 always |
| 17:32.23 | trevyn | Dezertol: if you sub it out times by 6 |
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| 17:55.55 | beandog | http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/imageswalmart-20bingo-thumb.jpg |
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| 19:26.40 | utahcon | it's still cool to me to see josephscott's mug on WP.com Blog posts |
| 19:26.52 | josephscott | :-) |
| 19:28.55 | carmony_mac | josephscott: , does automattic use P2 still? |
| 19:29.01 | josephscott | lots |
| 19:29.17 | carmony_mac | I just installed it for one of our dev teams |
| 19:29.19 | carmony_mac | and it works really well |
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| 19:29.49 | brasto | what's that vim command to replace the rest of the line? |
| 19:29.58 | brasto | and is there one to move a line down one? |
| 19:30.15 | utahcon | carmony_mac: P2? |
| 19:30.32 | carmony_mac | Prologue 2 |
| 19:30.39 | utahcon | oh! |
| 19:30.51 | brasto | wait, not command, since it's not command mode... just the key strokes in normal mode to replace the rest of this line and to move the current line down one line. |
| 19:31.00 | utahcon | can Prologue be installed on a single wp install? not mu? |
| 19:31.08 | carmony_mac | yup |
| 19:31.14 | carmony_mac | its just a theme |
| 19:31.33 | jsmith | brasto: "j" will move down one line |
| 19:31.50 | jsmith | brasto: "d$A" will replace the rest of the line... but there's probably a better way |
| 19:32.00 | utahcon | nice |
| 19:32.23 | josephscott | utahcon: http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/p2 |
| 19:32.41 | brasto | jsmith: I didn't even think of d$A |
| 19:32.54 | brasto | and thank you for both of those jsmith |
| 19:32.54 | jsmith | brasto: That's what I use... your mileage may vary |
| 19:33.25 | utahcon | I thought I read somewhere it was for wpmu... but if not :D |
| 19:33.31 | utahcon | thansk josephscott |
| 19:34.03 | SunSparc | _psychic_: that railroad spike does not sound comfortable |
| 19:34.39 | brasto | oh, jsmith-brb I meant not to move the cursor down one, but to move the current line of text down one line. |
| 19:34.49 | brasto | it seems there was a way to do that, anyway. |
| 19:34.56 | _psychic_ | SunSparc: neither does this chair |
| 19:35.42 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Yeah, they are cool looking, but they really could be more comfortable. |
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| 19:38.15 | itimber_ | CLI question please: If I want to append a small string to the front of all file names in a dir, what would the command look like? |
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| 19:39.06 | Lone_Wanderer | itimber: rename all files in a directory from * to string* ? |
| 19:39.16 | itimber | yes |
| 19:39.19 | jsmith | brasto: Did you try "O"? |
| 19:40.18 | Lone_Wanderer | http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.rename.php |
| 19:40.52 | Lone_Wanderer | That should do it for you itimber. |
| 19:40.54 | DexterTheDragon | itimber: recursive? |
| 19:41.20 | itimber | DexterTheDragon: not necessarily |
| 19:41.27 | macnewbold | itimber: if you're doing it in a shell, the quickest way is a foreach imho |
| 19:41.32 | itimber | Lone_Wanderer: don't really need PHP on this one |
| 19:41.37 | macnewbold | at least in tcsh it looks like this: |
| 19:41.42 | macnewbold | foreach f (*) |
| 19:41.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, I was wondering why you were asking when using the shell would be better :) |
| 19:42.07 | macnewbold | mv "$f" "`echo $f | sed 's/^/string/;'`" |
| 19:42.07 | macnewbold | end |
| 19:43.13 | macnewbold | DexterTheDragon: how's linuxfest going? |
| 19:44.02 | DexterTheDragon | it was good |
| 19:44.52 | DexterTheDragon | itimber: string='foo'; for i in *; do if [ -f $i ]; then mv $i $string$i; fi; done |
| 19:44.59 | DexterTheDragon | thats for bash |
| 19:45.10 | itimber | right on... thanks guys |
| 19:47.12 | brasto | jsmith: no, "O" creates a new line, moving everything down. |
| 19:47.16 | brasto | I need to do this |
| 19:47.29 | brasto | line 2 |
| 19:47.30 | brasto | line 1 |
| 19:47.37 | brasto | put cursor on line 2 |
| 19:47.40 | brasto | move it down |
| 19:47.51 | brasto | so then I have |
| 19:47.54 | brasto | line 1 |
| 19:47.55 | brasto | line 2 |
| 19:48.09 | brasto | does that make sense? |
| 19:48.11 | jsmith | SunSparc: Sure... sign up now that all (or maybe just most) of the fun is over? |
| 19:48.24 | fungus | brasto: just swapping line order in vim? |
| 19:48.26 | SunSparc | jsmith: eh? |
| 19:48.31 | brasto | fungus: yes |
| 19:48.34 | fungus | ddp |
| 19:48.34 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: ddp ? |
| 19:48.36 | jsmith | brasto: "ddp" |
| 19:48.40 | fungus | lol |
| 19:48.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I need some kind of auto-resizer for photos that I want to upload. |
| 19:48.50 | jsmith | fungus: Great minds think alike? |
| 19:49.07 | fungus | yup |
| 19:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Just a small python script that uses image magick to auto-resize them to be 500px on the largest side would be fine. |
| 19:50.17 | brasto | ok that works, but I can't take advantage of 7ddp because that will delete 7 lines, and say I need to move one line down 7 spaces |
| 19:50.34 | brasto | here's what I'm doing: |
| 19:50.53 | DexterTheDragon | dd7jp |
| 19:50.55 | brasto | I have this in an httpd.conf file: ##### Bookmark ##### |
| 19:51.17 | brasto | I need to move that book mark every so often |
| 19:51.22 | brasto | ah, true |
| 19:51.40 | brasto | that should work DexterTheDragon. Thank you fungus, DexterTheDragon, and jsmith |
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| 19:57.51 | Dezertol | Nothing but Noodles > Noodles and Company |
| 20:00.20 | mindjuju | ugh, what a pain in th butt, so the marketing department says, oh, we need some HTML, and well, will ask this one guy who is less busy to write it for us. |
| 20:00.27 | mindjuju | the guy says, uh.. i know HTML |
| 20:00.36 | mindjuju | and when he says that, he means: |
| 20:00.48 | mindjuju | I'm a monkey who knows how to click buttons in Dreamweaver |
| 20:01.10 | mindjuju | so, now that the project is like a week past deadline, they come screaming over to my boss beggin' that I fix it today |
| 20:01.25 | mindjuju | outside of word, dreamweave HTML is bad |
| 20:01.56 | mindjuju | I love the way it displays my code though |
| 20:03.07 | itimber | mindjuju: sucks man |
| 20:04.29 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:04.57 | mindjuju | it brain numbingly boring cleaning |
| 20:19.10 | unum | people don't believe me when I tell them that a lot of people hand code over using those things |
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| 20:30.39 | carmony_mac | lol, DexterTheDragon you at home today? |
| 20:41.35 | DexterTheDragon | carmony_mac: nope I'm up in washington |
| 20:41.40 | carmony_mac | ah |
| 20:41.46 | carmony_mac | fun syuff |
| 20:41.47 | carmony_mac | stuff |
| 21:03.16 | itimber | Google's main image is in morse code.... anyone know why? |
| 21:03.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Birthday of Samuel Morse. |
| 21:03.44 | unum | today is samuel morses birthday? |
| 21:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I think Samuel was his name. |
| 21:03.50 | unum | me too |
| 21:03.51 | SunSparc | itimber: Mouse over the Google image |
| 21:04.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Also because Google is awesome, and they want you to be awesome too. |
| 21:04.15 | itimber | anyone have a favorite 'pay' stock photography site? |
| 21:04.34 | josephscott | just click on the google morse code image |
| 21:04.36 | itimber | ah, thank you... |
| 21:06.17 | carmony_mac | I like stockxpert.com |
| 21:06.25 | SunSparc | itimber: http://www.sxc.hu/ |
| 21:06.27 | Heartsbane | you would |
| 21:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Heartsbane: Your mom would too. |
| 21:07.44 | Heartsbane | Maybe but I wouldn't want to know about it |
| 21:08.40 | itimber | thx |
| 21:21.46 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 21:21.46 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down jnbek|wc's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 21:33.27 | mindjuju | files transfering over to \\10.0.0.31\junk\JUNK\Ken\CDfix |
| 21:33.31 | mindjuju | give it a few minutes |
| 21:33.46 | mindjuju | i rewrote 90% of it so that it would work right in all browsers |
| 21:34.01 | mindjuju | didn't rewrite the front loading page as that seemed to work |
| 21:34.08 | mindjuju | give the upload about 5 minutes |
| 21:36.07 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: wow, that's 2 junk directories deep! |
| 21:36.08 | mindjuju | brb, do test it on that side, i've tested here in FF 2, FF3 and IE 7 |
| 21:36.18 | mindjuju | ugh, wrong win |
| 21:36.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:36.36 | mindjuju | yeah, that's not my network |
| 21:37.29 | Utah_Dave | actually, that's 2 junk folders deep, and one is in ALL CAPS!! Now that's a junk folder |
| 21:37.41 | macnewbold | shows you how much he likes Ken... |
| 21:38.17 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:38.18 | macnewbold | itimber: istockphoto.com or dreamstime.com are pay stock photos |
| 21:38.33 | mindjuju | we use istockphoto heavily and recommend it |
| 21:38.43 | itimber | right on |
| 21:38.45 | mindjuju | dreamstime is good, but i seem to find better quality stuff at istock |
| 21:38.55 | mindjuju | additionally, i stock now has flash components, video and audio |
| 21:39.06 | mindjuju | we've used their video clips extensively |
| 21:39.43 | itimber | right on... that's cool |
| 21:39.56 | unum | maybe we should buy one of their video clips... |
| 21:40.30 | mindjuju | unum, depends on what you're using it for |
| 21:41.02 | mindjuju | if commercial, istock, if CC is ok, there is archive.org and creativecommons.org (i think that's it) |
| 21:41.20 | mindjuju | if you google creatve commons the site 'll come up |
| 21:41.22 | mindjuju | brb |
| 21:41.49 | unum | mindjuju: it's commercial use |
| 21:42.53 | unum | I need about 5 seconds of sound and video which are generic and don't need atribution |
| 21:45.06 | _psychic_ | olds: were you at the game? |
| 21:46.00 | unum | seeing as how this could be use by the riaa at some point cc could be really entertaining :) |
| 22:34.16 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 22:34.16 | _psychic_ | http://www.cinematze.de/files/zobama.jpg |
| 22:34.57 | SunSparc | lolz |
| 22:49.15 | itimber | I'm out... laterz |
| 22:49.18 | unum | http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-video-9041195-pray_to_your-_god.php <- the video we will be using for riaa jobs |
| 22:50.37 | unum | I wish anyways |
| 22:59.52 | *** part/#uphpu mastergunns (n=mastergu@67-128-149-14.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 23:39.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ....I love that video |
