| 00:28.11 | carmony | so quiet on the weekends :P |
| 00:28.27 | herlo | hi |
| 00:28.41 | herlo | carmony: I'm in other channels chatting it up :) |
| 00:29.13 | carmony | lol, such as? |
| 00:30.07 | herlo | #utos, #ubuntu-us-ut #fedora-ambassadors |
| 01:17.20 | carmony | lol, I think I might make some Programming Tutorial Videos using Garry's Mod :P |
| 01:18.43 | herlo | you should :) |
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| 14:39.20 | orsonj | hello |
| 14:42.38 | DexterTheDragon | Oracle buys sun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/apr/20/oracle-sun-takeover |
| 14:43.15 | macnewbold | wow, oracle buying sun? that's crazy |
| 14:43.22 | macnewbold | I would have thought that sun was bigge |
| 14:43.23 | macnewbold | r |
| 14:44.00 | macnewbold | though I guess to be completely honest, sun's heyday has been over for a while, and they've been on the decline ever since commercial off the shelf hardware was viable and not frowned upon |
| 14:47.47 | DexterTheDragon | it now means oracle owns mysql |
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| 15:09.21 | itimber | sup guys |
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| 15:56.35 | herlo | hi |
| 15:57.09 | unum | hi |
| 15:59.15 | herlo | how's things today? |
| 16:00.17 | unum | I always feel wore out anymore |
| 16:00.42 | herlo | really? y for? |
| 16:00.57 | unum | probably emotional issues |
| 16:01.13 | unum | though having lupis probably doesn't help |
| 16:02.15 | unum | lupus |
| 16:02.22 | unum | i should probabyl learn to spell it |
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| 16:18.14 | herlo | yeah, well I didn't know about that, sorry to hear. |
| 16:18.20 | herlo | I have a cousin who has lupus |
| 16:40.23 | Utah_Dave | herlo: Is there a tutorial online on how to get started writing a sugar app? I'm not sure where to start |
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| 16:54.00 | Dezertol | Utah_Dave unless they changed it... the doc's on Sugar are few and hard to find |
| 16:54.09 | Dezertol | because they want you to pay them to customize it |
| 16:54.19 | Dezertol | it's been a couple years since I had to deal with it |
| 16:54.32 | Dezertol | but when I did.. the code didn't even have comments in it |
| 16:54.55 | Dezertol | and there was no doc's on how to use there custom stuff |
| 16:55.17 | Dezertol | hopefully that's changed but if not.. good luck |
| 16:55.38 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, so far I've found very little as far as documentation |
| 16:58.28 | redroy | Does anybody use a cross browser checking utility/website they enjoy? |
| 16:58.38 | fungus | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers |
| 16:59.11 | redroy | I'm trying to find one a good website (stable, fast etc.) to test IE 6 'n crap |
| 17:00.01 | redroy | I don't want to load parallels just for testing anymore. |
| 17:06.45 | herlo | Utah_Dave: there is, let me find one for you |
| 17:07.01 | herlo | Dezertol: I think you are smoking crack about them wanting you to pay for it... |
| 17:07.34 | herlo | Dezertol: unless you mean SugarCRM |
| 17:07.40 | herlo | which is *not* what we're talking about |
| 17:09.22 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I think fungus' link is one of the best... |
| 17:09.58 | Utah_Dave | cool. Thanks. I'm browsing it right now |
| 17:14.25 | orsonj | browsershots |
| 17:15.40 | redroy | orsonj, Yeah I took a look at that one as well... right now I'm checking out http://www.crossbrowsertesting.com which seems pretty cool cause I can check ajax etc. |
| 17:19.04 | orsonj | yes, that is a problem with browsershots |
| 17:19.14 | herlo | wow, I am going to have to disagree with Adam's pov on the TPB decision. The issue isn't whether it's copyright infringement, it's whether copyright should be so lengthy. |
| 17:19.24 | herlo | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/20/on-the-pirate-bay/ |
| 17:20.46 | herlo | I also disagree with him on the fact that in the US, anything over the air in the US is considered public domain, thus copyright does not apply. It's one of the main reasons the MPAA and TV stations are pushing so hard for HD over wire. |
| 17:20.50 | herlo | IMO |
| 17:22.25 | orsonj | cool, I'm safe then because I get my internet wirelessly ;) |
| 17:23.41 | orsonj | but yeah, I agree with shorter terms for copyright/patents |
| 17:23.58 | Utah_Dave | herlo: anything over the air is public domain in the US? |
| 17:24.18 | orsonj | I hadn't heard that one before |
| 17:24.47 | mindjuju | utah_dave, tis true |
| 17:24.49 | orsonj | It could be a term of use for monoply of the airwaves |
| 17:25.03 | mindjuju | applies to tv and radio |
| 17:25.46 | orsonj | is that why some songs have seperate radio and album versions |
| 17:26.12 | orsonj | not to mention extensive crossfading and voiceovers |
| 17:27.03 | orsonj | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2009/ft090419.gif <-- was somewhat fun to do. |
| 17:27.34 | unum | that's not right. |
| 17:27.50 | unum | broadcasting something does not put it in the public domains |
| 17:28.14 | unum | the air waves are public domain(regulated for us by our government) |
| 17:28.31 | unum | but something being broadcast does not make it public domain |
| 17:28.41 | herlo | unum: the fact that it is broadcast over air implies such |
| 17:28.51 | unum | herlo: does not |
| 17:28.54 | herlo | if we capture it over air, thus it is our own |
| 17:29.04 | mindjuju | AFAIK, herlo is correct |
| 17:29.13 | mindjuju | freedom of airwaves act (or something like that) |
| 17:29.19 | mindjuju | signed back in 70's i think |
| 17:29.26 | herlo | unum: in other words, if I listen in on the police broadcasts and record them, I now own the recording I made. |
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| 17:29.55 | mindjuju | right, but you don't have rights for commercial distribution |
| 17:29.57 | herlo | unum: and in the non-digital form, I am currently allowed to share this with others... |
| 17:30.14 | mindjuju | ie, you can't sell your copy |
| 17:30.15 | unum | herlo: that may apply to police broadcasts |
| 17:30.19 | herlo | mindjuju: I believe TPB has no intention of 'making money' from this venture. Other than donations |
| 17:30.26 | unum | but it does not apply to commercial broadcast |
| 17:30.29 | herlo | unum: it applies to the *entire* spectrum |
| 17:30.33 | mindjuju | oh, iddn't know we were talking about TPB |
| 17:30.41 | mindjuju | i was just talking in general |
| 17:31.01 | herlo | with the exception of the emergency broadcast spectrum (which we have relinquished rights to) |
| 17:31.10 | herlo | mindjuju: 11:19 <+herlo> http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/20/on-the-pirate-bay/ |
| 17:32.09 | unum | http://ucop.edu/ucophome/coordrev/policy/9-24-85.html |
| 17:32.12 | herlo | http://www.wnur.org/wnurwiki/index.php?n=History.Prehistory <-- The 1927 Radio Act established that the radio spectrum belongs to the people, and the 1930s is considered the âgolden ageâ of radio in the United States |
| 17:32.36 | unum | if you scroll down you will find the federal rules for using copyright material that was taped from broadcast |
| 17:32.39 | herlo | unum: how does that apply? |
| 17:32.41 | unum | in a non profit setting |
| 17:33.01 | herlo | unum: TPB is *not* a for-profit entity |
| 17:33.03 | unum | appendix B |
| 17:33.15 | unum | herlo: these are rules for a non profit |
| 17:33.58 | herlo | unum: I'll say only one thing "Federal Guidelines" |
| 17:34.04 | herlo | this does not constitute law ^^ |
| 17:34.15 | herlo | guidelines are just that, guidelines. |
| 17:34.56 | mindjuju | hey, just a quick oint on TPB, they don't live in the US |
| 17:35.05 | mindjuju | and our laws don't apply to their servers |
| 17:35.11 | mindjuju | as long as they don't reside in the US |
| 17:35.29 | herlo | agreed |
| 17:35.49 | mindjuju | though i am a pinch curious as to where in the world are TPB servers |
| 17:35.55 | herlo | mindjuju: but the US State Dept shut down allofmp3.com in Russia a few years back :) |
| 17:36.03 | mindjuju | yeah, i know |
| 17:36.17 | herlo | which is a shame really, how much the US meddles |
| 17:36.24 | mindjuju | state department == monkeyboy for MPAA / RIAA |
| 17:36.30 | herlo | anyway, my whole point for bringing this up is this one thing. |
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| 17:37.12 | herlo | Look how many examples we can give that different interpretations of the law. It's the people with the money who are making these changes. We have a voice and can make a difference if we speak up. It just takes a lot more of those who speak and not spend. |
| 17:38.53 | unum | herlo: I actively campaigned for pashdown, how about you? |
| 17:39.31 | unum | in the last elect I work on several campaigns, how about you? |
| 17:39.37 | unum | s/elect/election |
| 17:41.49 | herlo | unum: I speak up on several things of importance. I value my candidates and vote. I speak how I feel I should speak. Do not suggest that you are more invested because you helped on a campaign. I don't think it's required that every man, woman and child should be campaigning in public. I did my part, I have shared with many my feelings of pashdown's open governement ideals. Please don't insult me by comparing your political involvment with mine. It's app |
| 17:41.58 | herlo | and with that, I step down from my soapbox |
| 17:43.03 | unum | I don't see how you can claim that someone putting more time into something does not make them more invested |
| 17:43.19 | unum | putting more time and effort into something does make you more invested |
| 17:43.43 | herlo | unum: what I am saying is that you can believe what you like, get involved with what you like, but because I didn't get involved in one man's campaign doesn't make you politically better than I |
| 17:44.12 | herlo | unum: I disagree that your assertion that being invested requires being involved. |
| 17:44.20 | herlo | s/with/that/ |
| 17:44.27 | herlo | s/that/with/ |
| 17:44.44 | unum | maybe we are meaning different things when we use the term "invested" |
| 17:44.58 | herlo | anyway, I think we can agree to disagree and still be friends, yes? |
| 17:45.02 | unum | yes |
| 17:45.14 | herlo | I love a fun debate :) |
| 17:45.41 | unum | that people should be more involved in their government is a soapbox I am always on :) |
| 17:45.51 | herlo | but at the end of the day, it's about accepting each other for who they are and letting differences slide. |
| 17:46.04 | unum | ya |
| 17:46.20 | unum | but debates are important or you never really understand your own side |
| 17:46.23 | herlo | unum: I don't disagree with you. I just don't think that being involved with a campaign is the only way to contribute or be invested. That is all |
| 17:46.43 | unum | it's not the only way |
| 17:46.51 | unum | but I would argue it's one of the most effective |
| 17:47.17 | unum | though being involved in matheson's campaign would probably be more effective than pashdowns :) |
| 17:47.38 | unum | because calling up senator hatch and telling him he's wrong everyday isn't going to get us anywhere |
| 17:47.45 | herlo | agreed |
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| 17:48.13 | herlo | but if people who are invested vote every time, that is all that is asked of them and it can make a big difference... |
| 17:48.52 | unum | I don't think there is enough awareness of this issue for us simply voting to matter |
| 17:49.08 | unum | I spent much of this weekend talking to people about politics |
| 17:49.23 | unum | 90% of the conversation revolved around their right to buy an ak-47 |
| 17:49.43 | unum | not a single one of them cared about copyright law |
| 17:50.25 | unum | but my point is that telling other people who care about copyright laws to vote according won't matter |
| 17:50.34 | unum | we need to convince people that copyright law matter |
| 17:51.17 | herlo | I don't think copyright law, in its current state, does matter. It is too limiting. So I am of the opinion that rather than change copyright law, we change how people percieve the copyright. Things like creative commons and GPL can do that. |
| 17:52.14 | herlo | thus, the voting doesn't matter. Other than with our choice of copyright we use. Creative commons (thank you Mr. Lessig) provides 90% of the choices we need to license things appropriately. |
| 17:52.27 | unum | I mis interpeted your early statement |
| 17:52.55 | herlo | :) that can happen, it is text :) |
| 17:52.56 | unum | when you talked about us speaking up rather than those that spend. I thought your were reffering to us speaking up to those that made the laws |
| 17:53.23 | unum | but if you are talking about speaking up in terms of educating the public, then we are in complete agreement |
| 17:53.28 | herlo | no way, I think that's mostly lost. If Obama were to do something to change that, I'd be all for it, but earmarks and PACs still remain |
| 17:53.32 | unum | and I think we have both done a lot in seperate spheres |
| 17:53.40 | herlo | :) yep |
| 17:54.38 | herlo | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084967/quotes |
| 17:58.03 | unum | I try to work a little bit about creative commons into my stuff |
| 17:58.11 | unum | though my main theme is freedom of speech |
| 17:58.43 | unum | but that does relate.... |
| 17:59.22 | herlo | unum: pirate party? |
| 18:02.20 | unum | herlo: if we made gun rigts one of main tenets we would probably pick up a nice following |
| 18:03.11 | herlo | unum: no, I mean have you heard or are part of the Pirate Party? |
| 18:03.48 | unum | I have not heard of the US pirate party |
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| 18:47.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Welcome back. |
| 18:49.31 | utahcon | thank you. |
| 18:49.50 | utahcon | on that note... I will NEVER vacation with the in-laws ever again so long as I live. |
| 18:50.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Why did you do it in the first place? |
| 18:50.18 | utahcon | I was scammed! |
| 18:50.50 | utahcon | I was told it would be fun... I was told it would be easy... I was told it would be worth it! |
| 18:50.58 | utahcon | It was not fun, it was not easy, and it was not worth it! |
| 18:51.24 | fungus | but ... it's Vegas, it has to be |
| 18:51.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Cruel, vicious lies! |
| 18:51.34 | Lone_Wanderer | You were told these things by your wife? |
| 18:51.42 | utahcon | Yes, yes I was. |
| 18:51.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Never trust a woman. |
| 18:51.54 | Lone_Wanderer | This is the lesson we have learned today. |
| 18:52.46 | utahcon | really though I had a lot of fun. |
| 18:53.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool :) |
| 18:53.59 | utahcon | I gots to say... late night bingo is the bomb! |
| 18:54.30 | Lone_Wanderer | So, did the in-laws want to go to strip clubs, or not want to go to strip clubs? |
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| 18:55.09 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: It wasn't at all about strip clubs :( |
| 18:55.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. I thought that may have been the source of the disagreement. |
| 18:56.04 | utahcon | It was about everything else. I am a responsible parent. My brother-in-law and his gf, are not. Further more I am fairly easy going, and I will put up with a lot of back and forth non-decisive bs, but these people really pushed the limits of my patience. |
| 18:56.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 18:56.30 | unum | aaah |
| 18:56.33 | Lone_Wanderer | indecision paralysis |
| 18:56.34 | unum | I thought it was the parents |
| 18:56.48 | unum | but sibling in-laws are much worse |
| 18:56.54 | unum | after all they have children |
| 18:56.56 | utahcon | Mother-in-law was there... and she was 50/50 good/bad. |
| 18:57.05 | utahcon | unum: I had two kids there too |
| 18:57.55 | unum | utahcon: but dealing with your kids is completely different than dealing with other people's kids |
| 18:58.14 | utahcon | Mother-in-law is out of shape (not that I am the picture of fit, but), so walking anywhere was a task/chore/problem. |
| 18:58.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Ugh, that sucks. |
| 18:59.14 | utahcon | Literally we walked from self-parking @ TI, to the tram to the mirage, walked from the tram to the strip to watch the volcano, walked from the Volcano back to the TI Sirens show, and she thought she was going to die. |
| 18:59.30 | utahcon | You'd have thought she had run a marathon. |
| 19:00.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Except if she had run a marathon she'd be used to exerting herself, so she wouldn't be thinking she was going to die. |
| 19:00.41 | Lone_Wanderer | She'd be thinking "Heck yeah! I just ran a marathon! I'd better rest for a few minutes before I jump around and cheer!" |
| 19:01.10 | utahcon | I can't explain in words, fast enough, how much things were hindered by the family... so I will leave it at this |
| 19:01.44 | utahcon | my wife and I are great for each other, we do well in vegas together, better than most couples. Add anything else to that mix (family) and all hell breaks loose. |
| 19:01.51 | utahcon | my marriage is fine btw |
| 19:02.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, that's good at least. |
| 19:02.36 | utahcon | yes it is |
| 19:03.10 | utahcon | I have also decided I will never travel with the whole family again until both kids are old enough to eat on their own, and potty trained. |
| 19:03.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And the mother in law either dies or gets in shape. |
| 19:04.32 | unum | http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hsnews-000003098436&cpage=1 <- this why wiretapping is bad |
| 19:09.55 | Utah_Dave | unum: why is that bad? It was a court approved NSA wiretap of Israeli covert operations |
| 19:10.06 | unum | Utah_Dave: but then they black mailed her with it |
| 19:10.14 | unum | to get her support to wire tap people illegally |
| 19:10.40 | tierra | heh, Google announced accepted Summer of Code projects, and immediately the site goes haywire and is taken down |
| 19:10.43 | unum | what do you think they are going to do with those illegal wire taps? |
| 19:11.01 | Utah_Dave | I agree that the illegal wiretaps have to be stopped. |
| 19:11.49 | unum | people always ask me what I have to worry about if I'm not doing anything illegal |
| 19:12.27 | Utah_Dave | I agree, that's a crap argument. We have a right to privacy. |
| 19:12.28 | unum | but this is an example of how wiretaps can destroy democracy if we let them get out of hand |
| 19:13.04 | unum | in the case of the legal wire tap I don't know how we could have had more oversight to make sure she was prosecuted and not black mailed |
| 19:13.19 | unum | that's just a problem of having a corrupt president |
| 19:13.57 | mindjuju | woah woah woah |
| 19:14.06 | mindjuju | i think there is more going on here than meets the eye |
| 19:14.17 | mindjuju | unum --> http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/05 |
| 19:15.03 | mindjuju | and that that, may be at play here |
| 19:15.36 | mindjuju | i'm not saying i'm for warrantless wiretaps, i'm not |
| 19:16.18 | unum | you frequently see these flip flops |
| 19:16.37 | unum | when clinton was in power kerry was all for back doors to encryption software |
| 19:16.51 | unum | once bush was in power he was suddenly opposed to them |
| 19:17.10 | unum | which ever side is in power calls for more ability to spy and who ever is out of power calls for less |
| 19:17.16 | mindjuju | i'm more arguing on this --> (1:13:33 PM) unum: that's just a problem of having a corrupt president |
| 19:17.20 | unum | maybe cheney an exception.... |
| 19:17.28 | unum | mindjuju: I'm not saying the new one's not |
| 19:17.34 | mindjuju | ah |
| 19:17.36 | mindjuju | fair enough |
| 19:17.50 | unum | I hope he's not, but with the stance he's taken recently I'm starting to think other wise |
| 19:17.54 | mindjuju | i think we are agreeing |
| 19:18.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Which stance, unum? |
| 19:19.36 | mindjuju | since we are talking legla stuff, did ya'll see that MS is being sued for it's BITS tech? |
| 19:20.06 | unum | Lone_Wanderer: that unregulated wire tapping is good for the country |
| 19:20.09 | mindjuju | AFAIK, the company suing has several patents out on upgrading / patching while connected to the Internet, in the background |
| 19:20.23 | mindjuju | I know ubuntu does this, i'm sure every OS does this |
| 19:20.32 | mindjuju | I wonder what'll happen |
| 19:20.41 | unum | sometimes I wonder if ms loses these case intentionally |
| 19:20.48 | unum | in order to set precedent |
| 19:21.07 | unum | ok I'm going very far out the limb with that conspiracy theory.... |
| 19:22.16 | Lone_Wanderer | unum: that's a really unusual position for a democrat to adopt... when/where did he do it? |
| 19:22.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think that's so far out there. |
| 19:22.56 | unum | Lone_Wanderer: go to mindjuju's last link |
| 19:23.12 | burnin | has anyone worked with a PHP framework that does something like this.... |
| 19:23.17 | burnin | http://fpaste.org/paste/9623 |
| 19:23.19 | burnin | to create this... |
| 19:23.24 | burnin | http://burnin.xorengineering.com/experiment/ |
| 19:23.33 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - (1:14:31 PM) mindjuju: unum --> http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/05 |
| 19:23.40 | burnin | I guess like a factory pattern, maybe. |
| 19:23.53 | mindjuju | and this too Lone_Wanderer - http://www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/4/8 |
| 19:23.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh look, I have that link open already :) |
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| 19:27.34 | unum | Lone_Wanderer: you would probably be suprised how divided democrats are on this issue |
| 19:27.55 | unum | that's always a problem with democrats, we're to large of a coalition |
| 19:28.03 | unum | the republicans really only have two groups |
| 19:28.15 | unum | crazy libertarians and crazy church people |
| 19:28.28 | Lone_Wanderer | It's because so many people hate the Republicans. |
| 19:28.32 | mindjuju | heh, i guessed you was going to say that |
| 19:28.35 | Lone_Wanderer | And want free stuff. MY free stuff. |
| 19:28.48 | mindjuju | it amuses me that Repubs appear that way to the dems |
| 19:28.51 | unum | it's hard to build a party off of not being the other guy |
| 19:28.58 | mindjuju | Dems ( to cap fairly) |
| 19:29.58 | unum | but not being republican is about all democrats have in common |
| 19:30.36 | unum | I had a very nice discussion with several people about how I'm not going to go protest my decrease in taxes |
| 19:31.04 | mindjuju | a decrease today is an increase tomorrow |
| 19:31.10 | mindjuju | i'm still thankful, but realistic |
| 19:31.16 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:31.36 | unum | that's true. but hopefully tomorrow I can afford the increase :) |
| 19:31.46 | mindjuju | right with ya bro |
| 19:32.20 | unum | how many "bail out" votes have their been? I know about the vote last fall "tarp" |
| 19:32.34 | unum | then their was the stimulus package(did that have bailouts) |
| 19:32.51 | mindjuju | well, depends on what you're counting |
| 19:32.56 | unum | and then the spending bill(again I don't know if that had bailouts) |
| 19:32.59 | mindjuju | if we go back to 2k7 |
| 19:33.44 | mindjuju | then there was Stimulus (for tax payers, $600 per adult, $300 per child), Son of Stimulus (which we say materialzie as tax breaks this year), AFAIK, that's it for the citizen |
| 19:33.59 | mindjuju | then there is TARP under the Bush Administration |
| 19:34.23 | mindjuju | and now this new stimulus under Obama which I don't know if it has been given a trendy name |
| 19:34.40 | mindjuju | and I meant 2k8, not 2k7 |
| 19:34.53 | unum | oh bishop did vote against tarp |
| 19:35.01 | mindjuju | oh, and there was a stimulus back in 2k3 i think that was $150 per tax payer |
| 19:35.02 | unum | for some reason I thought he voted for it |
| 19:35.26 | unum | cannon voted for it |
| 19:35.35 | unum | I think hatch and bennet did to |
| 19:36.53 | unum | it will be interesting to see if matheson goes more to the left after the redistricting |
| 19:38.31 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.thewvsr.com/adsvsreality.htm |
| 19:45.06 | unum | most of them are just squashed more |
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| 20:12.30 | unum | so I've really come to see where some libraries would be nice with my ajax programming.... |
| 20:13.11 | unum | I'll probably write my own. the first will be a javascript function getinputs() |
| 20:13.34 | unum | and then a php function post2sql |
| 20:13.52 | unum | or request2sql() |
| 20:18.47 | tierra | it's official now, I'm a Google Summer of Code mentor this year |
| 20:18.51 | tierra | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wx |
| 20:19.14 | herlo | tierra: awesom! |
| 20:19.24 | herlo | without the e, I reserve that for a successful project :) |
| 20:19.30 | burnin | tierra: nice :) |
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| 20:51.42 | Utah_Dave | that's cool, tierra |
| 20:57.28 | thebigdog | oh so sad today for all mysql lovers! |
| 20:58.19 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: no doubt. horrible news |
| 20:58.32 | burnin | mysql is dead, long live mysql :) |
| 20:59.01 | Utah_Dave | tierra: I have a dumb question. Do you pronounce it "wix-Widgets" or "double-u-ex-Widgets"? |
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| 21:03.13 | thebigdog | dude im so excited out the new branded name - oursql |
| 21:03.44 | thebigdog | oracle universal relational sql |
| 21:04.31 | thebigdog | it comes with a clear migration path to the oracle db |
| 21:04.53 | thebigdog | mysql -> oursql -> oracle db |
| 21:05.05 | Utah_Dave | what? where did you read that? |
| 21:05.46 | utahcon | lol @ thebigdog |
| 21:05.57 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:11.33 | orsonj | I thought it was mysql -> oursql -> yoursql |
| 21:14.24 | unum | can you use ~= in php |
| 21:16.33 | jsmith-teaching | utahcon: Oh? I think one of them might be in my Asterisk class this week :-p |
| 21:17.39 | utahcon | jsmith-teaching: punch them for me |
| 21:18.13 | utahcon | This particular one actually hung up on me when I started requesting the paper work they are legally required to provide me. |
| 21:18.27 | jsmith-teaching | utahcon: Ouch... are they calling from Jamaica by chance? |
| 21:18.31 | utahcon | nope |
| 21:18.37 | utahcon | I don't think so. |
| 21:18.47 | jsmith-teaching | utahcon: Ok, then it's not this company :-) |
| 21:19.11 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:19.59 | utahcon | no these folks are getting upset at me and demanding that I have received paper work from them after they have (twice today) updated my address to a proper billing address. So obviously I couldn't get mail if it hadn't been sent to me house/mailbox. |
| 21:21.08 | utahcon | So I tell them to send it out, or to simply get to the next step of proving that I owe money, how much I owe, what fees, taxes, and interest have been added to the debt. At this point she got upset, yelled at me about being abusive and hung up... I am in shock as I didn't even raise my voice (very unlike me) |
| 21:21.43 | utahcon | so... whatever... they can call me again tomorrow and we will try this all again. |
| 21:24.13 | mindjuju | utahcon, with jsmith and utah_dave here, you REALLY should consider fighting fire with fire |
| 21:24.23 | mindjuju | give out a new num to the collection agencies |
| 21:24.29 | mindjuju | setup that num to go to an aseterisk box |
| 21:24.33 | mindjuju | and have it be an IVR |
| 21:24.43 | mindjuju | If you calling to collect on a debt, please press 1 |
| 21:24.50 | mindjuju | then put on hold for like 20 min |
| 21:25.05 | mindjuju | then have the IVR randomly hang up or ring another ext on the same asterisk box |
| 21:25.09 | mindjuju | that gives another set of options |
| 21:25.12 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:26.41 | orsonj | biggest problem with asterisk: finding a single line card. |
| 21:26.52 | mindjuju | and then you could give out the REALLY real extension to your family and friends that jumps past the IVR and gets directly to you |
| 21:26.58 | mindjuju | let them navigate IVR h3ll |
| 21:28.07 | orsonj | I'm trying out evolution (email client) after using thunderbird for several years. It feels rather slow. |
| 21:37.29 | tierra | Utah_Dave: double-u-ex-widgets |
| 21:38.07 | tierra | but wix-widgets is acceptable too :) |
| 21:39.55 | tierra | (it was originally written in 1992 for cross-platform between Windows and XView - hence 'wx') |
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| 22:30.46 | Utah_Dave | tierra: thanks. |
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| 23:09.40 | itimber_ | I'm out.... later guys |
| 23:11.54 | mgeary | man, what a day |
| 23:12.48 | herlo | 09:09 <+itimber> sup guys |
| 23:12.57 | herlo | so there are the two things itimber said today :) |
