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| 00:28.35 | KirkOuimet | Does anyone know if it is possible to run an internal function in an object from a string? |
| 00:29.14 | KirkOuimet | for example, can you do something like $this->{"myFunction("myVar")}; |
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| 06:10.31 | herlo | ~simpsons carmony |
| 06:10.32 | ibot | ACTION sends carmony chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 06:10.36 | herlo | that should keep you busy |
| 06:10.58 | carmony | lol |
| 06:12.59 | carmony | so hows it goin herlo ? |
| 06:13.28 | herlo | carmony: good |
| 06:13.32 | herlo | how was the donut? |
| 06:13.38 | carmony | yummy |
| 06:14.41 | carmony | hows the utos stuff going on? |
| 06:19.11 | herlo | it goes |
| 06:20.21 | carmony | are you guys looking for papers for the conference? |
| 06:20.54 | herlo | yes, but not yet |
| 06:21.33 | carmony | nice to know :) |
| 06:22.28 | carmony | What kind of community education are you looking at? |
| 06:22.28 | herlo | :) |
| 06:22.42 | herlo | well, hang on |
| 06:22.47 | herlo | and I'll tell ya |
| 06:23.14 | carmony | ok :) |
| 06:27.08 | herlo | carmony: http://fpaste.org/paste/9539 |
| 06:27.30 | herlo | carmony: sorry needed to get approval, didn't want to offend aaron |
| 06:28.32 | carmony | oh of course, no problem |
| 06:31.20 | carmony | That sounds like a good idea |
| 06:31.34 | herlo | thanks |
| 06:31.59 | herlo | carmony: it's been rumbling around in this old brain for some time now. It's about time it sees the light of day this year methinks. |
| 06:33.05 | carmony | I wonder about something like Weber State if they have stuff available for that too. I know a lot of students would love to save a few hundred bucks |
| 06:33.58 | herlo | well, here's the thing, it's not intended to replace college or more intensive education |
| 06:34.02 | herlo | this is more like community ed |
| 06:34.15 | carmony | no, I mean like learn how to use OpenOffice, Ubuntu, etc |
| 06:34.25 | carmony | instead of shelling out 200 bucks for Microsoft Office |
| 06:34.34 | herlo | oh, right. Thing about that, colleges don't want to recommend that |
| 06:34.36 | herlo | here's why |
| 06:35.36 | herlo | what MS doesn't want you to know, they do the same thing that Cigarrette companies have been blamed for doing. They get kids hooked young. They do it by practically giving away their software at a college. You know, the first hit's free? |
| 06:35.51 | carmony | yup |
| 06:36.09 | herlo | the college gets a huge kickback |
| 06:36.18 | carmony | yeah, that makes sense |
| 06:36.33 | herlo | but that's what open source/free software folk are all about, we want you to take the first hit for free. |
| 06:36.37 | herlo | and the next |
| 06:36.38 | herlo | and the next |
| 06:36.40 | herlo | and... |
| 06:36.41 | herlo | the next |
| 06:36.43 | carmony | for the same cost |
| 06:37.21 | carmony | free :) |
| 06:37.31 | herlo | and at some point, we want you to spend a little bit of your time, giving back |
| 06:37.54 | herlo | maybe every class starts with the same basic point. We explain: What is free software? |
| 06:38.22 | herlo | we talk about the four freedoms and why they are important. Maybe that takes 10-30 minutes of class |
| 06:39.04 | herlo | carmony: I put this up on the UTOS wiki too |
| 06:39.05 | herlo | http://wiki.utos.org/EducationWeeks |
| 06:40.09 | carmony | nice |
| 06:40.23 | herlo | there's tons on our site about the conference and how it's dones |
| 06:40.32 | herlo | s/nes/ne/ |
| 06:41.00 | herlo | plus a bunch about things we want to do and have done |
| 06:41.23 | herlo | probably need to update things like podcasting and streaming too |
| 06:42.41 | carmony | I've been wanting to setup a podcast about web development and such, just have never gotten around to it |
| 06:45.41 | herlo | carmony: if you like, you can use the streaming server at stream.utos.org. |
| 06:46.13 | herlo | essentially, that'll get you part way there. Using your source, I can post it up there permanently. Then you just link to it from your blog or what not |
| 06:46.27 | carmony | I thought it could also be cool if we setup an UTOS Roundtable or something where we get a few guys on a cast and discuss some form of topic |
| 06:47.21 | herlo | carmony: talk with mindjuju about that. We are actually discussing something like that, but so far, we've not gotten anybody who wants to be on camera |
| 06:47.39 | herlo | well, certain people don't wanna be on camera, we've not asked *everyone* we can :) |
| 06:48.09 | carmony | LOL, well we could do just audio |
| 06:48.37 | herlo | it doesn't seem to matter, audio/video, nobody thinks their thoughts are worthwhile, so far that is |
| 06:49.12 | herlo | albeit, our podcasts get anywhere from 100-300 downloads over their life. |
| 06:49.28 | herlo | we have something like 45-50 LUGs now podcasted at podcast.utos.org :) |
| 06:51.19 | carmony | If you get a good discussion going on and get it up on some news feeds that cover the topic, I've had some blog posts get 20,000+ views |
| 06:51.35 | herlo | so it's 46 right now |
| 06:51.43 | herlo | and I've got one more to put up soon |
| 06:51.51 | herlo | but I kind of slacked on april too |
| 06:52.03 | carmony | lol, I used to get 5-15 blog posts a month |
| 06:52.07 | carmony | now I'm around 1-2 a month |
| 06:52.40 | herlo | agreed about exposure, it's important |
| 06:54.05 | carmony | lol, I told you my idea about php videos right/ |
| 06:54.29 | herlo | nope |
| 06:54.38 | carmony | lol, its called Terrible PHP Videos |
| 06:54.47 | herlo | ooh, sounds intriguing |
| 06:54.57 | herlo | :-D |
| 06:55.35 | carmony | the concept is this: short videos that focus on teaching programing concepts in unconventional ways |
| 06:55.52 | carmony | terrible production, great lessions |
| 06:57.34 | herlo | like what ways? |
| 06:58.50 | carmony | Okay, so I was thinking about explaining how web servers work |
| 06:58.54 | carmony | for an intro to website |
| 06:59.21 | carmony | explaining requests & responses |
| 06:59.30 | carmony | have two guys sitting on a table |
| 06:59.39 | carmony | at a table* |
| 06:59.58 | herlo | I prefer on |
| 07:00.02 | herlo | it's much more fun |
| 07:00.02 | carmony | LOL |
| 07:00.07 | herlo | which reminds me |
| 07:00.09 | carmony | anyway, show one guy as the "viewer" |
| 07:00.11 | herlo | there's this poster |
| 07:00.14 | herlo | at the U |
| 07:00.19 | carmony | and he other as the "server" |
| 07:00.25 | carmony | and they pass papers back and forth |
| 07:00.37 | carmony | while teh view narrates whats going on |
| 07:01.02 | herlo | that says, 'tables do not make great chairs' and underneath are all these broken tables. I dont' think it gets the point across, but it's funny anyway |
| 07:01.27 | herlo | carmony: have you seen the 'in plain english' series? |
| 07:01.31 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnL00TdmLY |
| 07:02.01 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-MSL42NV3c |
| 07:03.18 | herlo | carmony: this one's my fav - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVnfyradCPY |
| 07:03.46 | carmony | lol |
| 07:03.58 | herlo | :) |
| 07:04.05 | herlo | that one is hilarious |
| 07:04.15 | carmony | yeah, similar concept |
| 07:04.31 | carmony | those are pretty cool |
| 07:05.01 | herlo | cool |
| 07:05.08 | herlo | well, if it's php, that'd be pretty cool |
| 07:05.11 | carmony | yeah |
| 07:05.38 | carmony | I got the domain TerribleVideos.com & .org |
| 07:05.55 | carmony | I like Terrible Videos cause its easy to remember and kinda sticks out as unusual |
| 07:12.10 | herlo | cool, I'd love to see what you are doing |
| 07:12.20 | herlo | when you get one partly done |
| 07:12.42 | carmony | yeah, its all concept right now |
| 07:12.54 | carmony | but I'm working on the script for one. |
| 07:15.06 | herlo | kewl |
| 07:15.20 | carmony | and let me know if you need any help with the education stuff |
| 07:15.26 | carmony | I'd be interested in helping out :) |
| 07:16.23 | herlo | I'd love to have people doing that sort of thing on their own and all I have to do is advertise it |
| 07:17.06 | carmony | whats that? |
| 07:20.04 | herlo | http://code.google.com/p/utos-conman/ |
| 07:20.45 | carmony | ah very cool |
| 07:20.49 | carmony | a website to help run all that |
| 07:20.58 | herlo | yep |
| 07:21.13 | herlo | it's what ran the 2008.utosc.com site for last year's conference |
| 07:21.32 | herlo | we're coordinating now wiht SCaLE's dev folks and hope to work with SELF and NMLF too |
| 07:21.49 | herlo | SE = South East, NM = New Mexico |
| 07:22.16 | carmony | nice |
| 07:26.33 | herlo | yepperoni |
| 07:26.57 | carmony | no wonder you are always so busy :P |
| 07:27.34 | herlo | lol |
| 07:27.42 | herlo | I'm less busy now than a year ago too |
| 07:28.37 | carmony | hows was the PHP meeting/ |
| 07:31.08 | herlo | it was good |
| 07:31.22 | herlo | I really learned a bunch about creating your own ca |
| 07:32.07 | carmony | yeah, I was bummed I couldn't come out |
| 07:33.42 | herlo | it's okay |
| 07:33.57 | herlo | we'll just mock you for the rest of your life :) |
| 07:34.02 | carmony | lol! |
| 07:34.09 | carmony | Hey, I remember when I presented you weren't there :P |
| 07:34.49 | herlo | yeah, I was probably on the road for work |
| 07:35.00 | herlo | but if you present again, it's likely I'll be there :) |
| 07:35.35 | carmony | lol |
| 07:35.44 | carmony | if I figure out a good topic to present on |
| 07:37.01 | herlo | yup |
| 07:37.37 | carmony | last time was using svn+trac to streamline your development |
| 07:37.58 | herlo | kewl, I use trac+git a lot |
| 07:38.16 | herlo | maybe I can do a presnetation on Fedora Directory Server and phpldapadmin |
| 07:38.26 | herlo | it's pretty neat stuffs |
| 07:38.49 | carmony | ldap stuff? |
| 07:38.51 | carmony | I would love that |
| 07:39.19 | herlo | yep |
| 07:39.52 | herlo | I'm kind of weak in my naming of components, like dn, cn, ou, sn, etc |
| 07:40.15 | herlo | but I would probably just show how to set up FDS and phpldapadmin in 30 minutes or less |
| 07:40.40 | herlo | and then show how I use it to manage my linux auth, apache and svn / git repos |
| 07:40.50 | herlo | ooh, and trac too |
| 07:41.04 | herlo | and pretty much anything else you want to use it for auth |
| 07:41.36 | carmony | oh yeah |
| 07:41.47 | carmony | Thats what I want to use it for |
| 07:43.01 | herlo | kewl |
| 07:43.10 | herlo | well, maybe in June or July would work :) |
| 07:43.22 | herlo | I'll have to ping mindjuju about it |
| 07:43.25 | herlo | at some point |
| 07:43.43 | herlo | well, it's getting late now, time for beddy bye :) |
| 07:46.25 | carmony | me to |
| 07:46.28 | carmony | talk to you later |
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