| 00:00.43 | wps | decimal? |
| 00:02.43 | mindjuju | wps, from what i remember numeric and decimal are identical, that said, i've always used decimal |
| 00:02.57 | mindjuju | because you tell it the level of precesion you want |
| 00:03.27 | mindjuju | so do you want it to store $1.00 or $1.001 or $1.0001 |
| 00:03.38 | mindjuju | it allows for various levels of decimal preceision |
| 00:04.02 | wps | I think I found my answer |
| 00:04.05 | wps | decimal is better than float for money |
| 00:04.14 | wps | because it will not have number rounding errors |
| 00:04.38 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:11.26 | mindjuju | i hate smarmy tech support |
| 00:11.45 | mindjuju | i bought a box where the bios password was set and not given to me, so looking for how to reset |
| 00:12.19 | mindjuju | so i'm on MSI's forum and see that somebody already asked the question, the tech support had the audacity to say, BIOS password is reset by clearing the CMOS data |
| 00:12.33 | mindjuju | it's like, psh yeah, but how is that done? what jump needs to be set??? |
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| 01:35.43 | herlo | ping to #uphpu |
| 01:36.07 | herlo | nm, found it! |
| 01:36.41 | DexterTheDragon | we don't use irl |
| 01:36.49 | DexterTheDragon | everything is in real life |
| 01:41.51 | mindjuju | and real time |
| 01:41.57 | mindjuju | that's how we flow around here |
| 01:42.06 | mindjuju | 100% real, 100% all the time |
| 01:42.11 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:42.25 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: huh? |
| 01:42.48 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: quote from the pirate bay trial |
| 01:43.00 | herlo | indeed |
| 01:44.27 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-trial-day-5-peters-political-trial-090220/ |
| 01:44.31 | DexterTheDragon | 6th paragraph |
| 01:44.51 | mindjuju | when does the verdict come back for that? |
| 01:44.54 | mindjuju | or has it already? |
| 01:45.26 | DexterTheDragon | "in a few days" is all I've heard |
| 01:45.31 | DexterTheDragon | that was on sunday |
| 01:47.25 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: I've seen the movie :) |
| 01:47.42 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: oh, is this a new battle? |
| 01:48.00 | DexterTheDragon | its the trial that was in feb |
| 01:49.01 | DexterTheDragon | herlo lives under a rock |
| 01:49.53 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: no, just don't hear about everything now. I don't have time to be as observant anymore :( |
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| 02:23.44 | mjInALifeboat | dexterthedragon, you still around? |
| 02:23.57 | mjInALifeboat | have i got a story for you |
| 02:39.58 | DexterTheDragon | mjInALifeboat: yes....? |
| 02:41.48 | mjInALifeboat | so i'm sitting there coding, in the dark except my screens |
| 02:41.51 | mjInALifeboat | music playing |
| 02:41.52 | mjInALifeboat | good times |
| 02:42.05 | mjInALifeboat | and then pow, its dark |
| 02:42.08 | mjInALifeboat | i look around |
| 02:42.11 | mjInALifeboat | wth |
| 02:42.18 | mjInALifeboat | a smidge tired too |
| 02:42.30 | mjInALifeboat | cause, i flick on a small office lamp and look around |
| 02:42.39 | mjInALifeboat | realize, wait a minute, my music is still playin' |
| 02:42.43 | mjInALifeboat | something not right hire |
| 02:42.52 | mjInALifeboat | boy i'm tired |
| 02:43.01 | mjInALifeboat | get up and go to the computer to see what up |
| 02:43.08 | mjInALifeboat | boy i'm tired, |
| 02:43.20 | mjInALifeboat | left side of brain to right side of brain --> what's that smell?? |
| 02:43.30 | mjInALifeboat | right side to left side --> boy i'm tired |
| 02:43.33 | DexterTheDragon | oh boy |
| 02:43.51 | mjInALifeboat | so, i flick the switch on the power supply |
| 02:44.00 | mjInALifeboat | left side of brain to right side of brain |
| 02:44.17 | mjInALifeboat | what's that curious orange / yellow glow shining on the wall that seems to be coming from within my computer? |
| 02:44.24 | mjInALifeboat | and what's with the smell of ozone??? |
| 02:44.29 | mjInALifeboat | WTH!!!! |
| 02:44.40 | mjInALifeboat | and now i'm in a lifeboat |
| 02:44.52 | mjInALifeboat | power supply went 3 mile island on me |
| 02:45.08 | DexterTheDragon | wow |
| 02:45.24 | DexterTheDragon | I had one go the other day but all I had was the smell and a dead comp |
| 02:45.45 | mjInALifeboat | yeah, not sure why this went on fire, and as soon as i unplugged, fire gone |
| 02:46.15 | mjInALifeboat | ...sigh... |
| 02:46.16 | mjInALifeboat | so now i' |
| 02:46.28 | mjInALifeboat | m dead in the water, and unwillingly wrapping up for the night |
| 02:46.40 | mjInALifeboat | no way to buy power supply until morn |
| 02:46.47 | DexterTheDragon | yeah that sucks |
| 02:48.36 | mjInALifeboat | this sux, i think i'm going to route all my email thorugh google so that i 'm not seperated from that or anything critical like this again |
| 02:49.41 | burnin | mjInALifeboat: that fingerprint defect in the gate oxide that seperates the gate poly from the source finaly collapsed under electron pressure and turned the switching transistor in your power supply into a smoldering resistor. :) |
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| 10:40.23 | carmony | Good Morning! I doubt anyone is up with me right now.... :P |
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| 12:50.32 | carmony | mornin utahcon |
| 12:52.08 | utahcon | morning |
| 12:55.01 | carmony | you always up this early? |
| 12:55.11 | carmony | actually, I guess its not that early |
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| 13:07.02 | utahcon | Up? Yes. At work... sometimes. |
| 13:07.08 | utahcon | I prefer the early hours. |
| 13:11.56 | carmony | you get more done |
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| 15:36.09 | redroy | Good morning everyone.... I was wondering is there a way to get file_get_contents to render php before it returns a string? |
| 15:37.40 | utahcon | redroy: Are you calling a local file or a url? |
| 15:37.48 | redroy | local |
| 15:38.37 | utahcon | is it possible to call the file as a url? |
| 15:38.44 | fungus | redroy: you can use eval on the string to execute any php inside, but that is ugly. Are you sure you aren't really looking to "include" the file. |
| 15:40.03 | redroy | yeah, I'm trying to build a small template engine for my wife... so I'm trying to avoid including so I can parse the string for template variables instead of having her understand php |
| 15:40.24 | redroy | but I'd like it to be able to render php if it ever happens |
| 15:41.12 | redroy | utahcon: I guess I could, would that help? |
| 15:41.15 | fungus | You can still use include for that. |
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| 15:41.45 | fungus | ob_start(), include file, $string = ob_get_clean() |
| 15:42.13 | redroy | thanks fungus! I'll check those out |
| 15:43.44 | fungus | eval($string) works, but could have messy results. eval usually does. IMHO |
| 15:45.03 | redroy | very cool, If I can't get it working I'll be back to bug. Thanks for the help guys! |
| 15:46.25 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:46.25 | mgeary | i say, yow |
| 15:46.44 | mgeary | mah backyard is finished, y'all! |
| 15:47.02 | mgeary | well, we need to add some fringe plants & such, but the sod is all in, and man, does it look good |
| 15:47.17 | mgeary | if a bit wet at the moment |
| 15:47.41 | fungus | congrats |
| 15:52.53 | utahcon | mgeary: when is the slip'n'slide part? |
| 15:53.01 | utahcon | s/part/party/ |
| 15:53.20 | mgeary | dude, that would totally mess up my sod |
| 15:53.36 | mgeary | but a barbecue isn't out of the question |
| 15:53.41 | utahcon | fine! |
| 15:59.54 | Dezertol | redroy just use Xtemplate |
| 15:59.54 | Dezertol | it's quick and easy |
| 16:00.03 | Dezertol | http://www.phpxtemplate.org/HomePage |
| 16:00.26 | Dezertol | it's only one file |
| 16:00.40 | redroy | Dezertol, thanks I'll have to check it out |
| 16:00.54 | Dezertol | I use it for almost all my projects |
| 16:01.03 | Dezertol | I used to be a big Smarty advicate |
| 16:01.18 | Dezertol | but.. I didn't like that the logic was built into the smarty templates for looping recordsets |
| 16:01.28 | Dezertol | so.. no I use XTemplate for everything |
| 16:06.23 | Dezertol | about 3 years ago.. SugarCRM was using a mix of Smarty and XTemplate but i'm not sure what they finally went with |
| 16:06.43 | Dezertol | have not had to touch that beast in a while |
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| 16:35.52 | synic | tihs is a demonstration |
| 16:35.56 | synic | ? |
| 16:36.07 | synic | tihs is a demonstration |
| 16:36.14 | synic | =~ s/tihs/this/ |
| 16:36.22 | synic | ibot: =~ s/tihs/this/ |
| 16:36.33 | dataw0lf | wat. |
| 16:36.53 | synic | ?? dataw0lf |
| 16:37.05 | synic | ~dataw0lf |
| 16:37.06 | ibot | [dataw0lf] sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine, or ehl oh ehl, or a guy who likes to bash stuff, or a guy who needs help moving |
| 16:37.44 | xilch | He's trying to show off the ibot to me. |
| 16:37.45 | synic | ibot: dataw0lf =~ s/moving$/in general/ |
| 16:37.45 | ibot | that doesn't contain 'moving$', synic |
| 16:37.57 | synic | ibot: dataw0lf =~ s/moving/in general/ |
| 16:37.57 | ibot | synic: OK |
| 16:38.59 | mgeary | ~dataw0lf |
| 16:38.59 | ibot | rumour has it, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine, or ehl oh ehl, or a guy who likes to bash stuff, or a guy who needs help in general |
| 16:39.14 | mgeary | nice |
| 16:39.40 | synic | dunno why 'moving$' didn't work |
| 16:39.52 | mgeary | doesn't use regex, maybe |
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| 16:56.44 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: how goes the power supply? |
| 16:58.46 | mjInALifeboat | dexterthedragon, the computer just shut off again |
| 16:59.00 | mjInALifeboat | a component must be shorted out |
| 16:59.25 | mjInALifeboat | i just slapped in a new one i bought this morning, and it just shut off EXACTLY as last night |
| 16:59.42 | DexterTheDragon | the new one went 3 mile island? |
| 17:00.01 | mjInALifeboat | well, it didn't flame out like the last one |
| 17:00.05 | mjInALifeboat | it just turned off |
| 17:00.21 | mjInALifeboat | so it was just coming up, i was starting to look around, then pow |
| 17:00.25 | mjInALifeboat | computer shut off |
| 17:00.46 | mjInALifeboat | need to disconnect components and what it does with just the basics |
| 17:00.51 | DexterTheDragon | dang |
| 17:27.23 | Utah_Dave | mjInALifeboat: turn off 2 or 3 of your 10 monitors |
| 17:33.56 | thebigdog | mjInALifeboat, make sure that your power supply can manage all that power...i had an issue like that where i added another drive and overloaded the power supply...had to buy a bigger one |
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| 18:24.59 | utahcon | we have half snow half rain half something else here. |
| 18:26.23 | SunSparc | ~lart snow in the valley |
| 18:26.23 | ibot | shoots snow in the valley in his sleep |
| 18:26.36 | SunSparc | Keep snow in the mountains. |
| 18:27.18 | fungus | All this talk about teabagging is really frightening. Makes me cringe every time I hear about it. |
| 18:27.31 | SunSparc | fungus: Why? |
| 18:28.09 | fungus | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=teabagging&l=1 |
| 18:28.22 | utahcon | that can not be a good lmgtfy |
| 18:28.22 | fungus | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=teabag |
| 18:28.32 | fungus | not a very good term. |
| 18:28.44 | mindjuju | yeah, i knew the second nsfw term |
| 18:28.47 | utahcon | I am surprised this is a new thing for you fungus, don't you game? |
| 18:29.26 | fungus | It's not a new thing. |
| 18:29.33 | mindjuju | i think fungus means the Tea parties stuff |
| 18:29.47 | fungus | All this current talk about it reminds me of the NSFW term and makes me cringe. |
| 18:30.09 | utahcon | ~lart teabags |
| 18:30.09 | ibot | puts teabags into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of teabags's hair of |
| 18:30.21 | utahcon | interesting |
| 18:30.59 | utahcon | anyways... I wouldn't attend a teabag party for fear of going to the wrong type of teabag party... although... given the right situation the wrong one could also be a very right one... but that is not for this channel |
| 18:31.33 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:31.58 | SunSparc | I have been curious what other people think of the whole Taxed Enough Already movement. |
| 18:32.24 | SunSparc | At first glance, it sounds good to me, but I have not researched it much. |
| 18:32.25 | utahcon | depends on what I am being taxed for, and where those taxes are going to. more the second than the first. |
| 18:33.04 | mindjuju | well, i think some may be Taxed enough already party |
| 18:33.11 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 18:33.13 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 18:33.21 | dataw0lf | Taxes are the lowest they've been in a long, long time. |
| 18:33.25 | mindjuju | but i've also heard some refer to it as like a boston tea party |
| 18:33.30 | SunSparc | Right, taxes are necessary and I am fine with taxes. Within reason. If my taxes are being used for bailouts and other crap, I am not fine with it. |
| 18:33.31 | dataw0lf | ESPECIALLY for that top bracket. |
| 18:33.46 | utahcon | my beef are taxes that are still collected even though the reason for the taxes being collected is no longer relevant. |
| 18:33.57 | utahcon | or misuse of tax dollars |
| 18:35.05 | carmony | meh, if it wasn't for some big deductions I had this year, I would have paid %28 taxes |
| 18:35.29 | mindjuju | carmony, likewise |
| 18:35.34 | mindjuju | i was expecting owing bigtime |
| 18:35.37 | mindjuju | OUCH bigtime |
| 18:36.11 | mindjuju | btw, the new power supply (nor the old, for that matter) were what was wrong with my comp |
| 18:36.31 | mindjuju | turns out a component obscured by the heat sink was roasted |
| 18:37.15 | herlo | mindjuju: mortgages can save a man a lot of tax $$ |
| 18:37.25 | mindjuju | yeah, that helped too |
| 18:37.29 | mindjuju | this is my first house |
| 18:37.35 | carmony | So while people say that taxes are low, I feel like I'm paying a lot |
| 18:37.36 | mindjuju | and my first year paying taxes with it |
| 18:37.43 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:37.46 | mindjuju | yea house! |
| 18:37.49 | utahcon | herlo: mortgages just allow you to pay taxes in a different form. |
| 18:38.30 | herlo | utahcon: no, they reduce your tax. The mortgage company doesn't charge me taxes (in that form). |
| 18:39.19 | carmony | mortages can reduce your "taxable" income |
| 18:39.20 | fungus | agreed, my mortgage interest deduction and stuff totally saved me. I'd be screwed w/o it. |
| 18:39.22 | herlo | utahcon: I only pay interest and principal (taxes for my house are like $1k year) |
| 18:40.38 | carmony | I didn't even count property tax I paid in my %28... |
| 18:41.14 | carmony | I dunno, I think if anything, trying to tax the higher upper class tends to screw over the middle class more than anything |
| 18:41.16 | herlo | carmony: you own a home and paid taxes? Wow! You must be taking very little deductions from your paycheck :) |
| 18:41.30 | carmony | pfft, its being self employeed |
| 18:41.39 | herlo | indeed, that does make a difference |
| 18:41.41 | utahcon | being self employed blows at tax season |
| 18:41.47 | jsmith | amen! |
| 18:42.17 | carmony | So while I make the same amount as my friend who works for a corporation, I pay around double then he does. |
| 18:43.27 | carmony | plus I pay more in health insurance, my only benefits are when I work hard to make more. |
| 18:44.43 | fungus | When you are self employed you should be making more. You are getting the shaft. |
| 18:45.14 | carmony | I just have to work so much more to get by |
| 18:45.42 | carmony | lol, no, I need to charge more |
| 18:45.54 | fungus | hehe, that works too |
| 18:46.31 | carmony | but lets up my taxes while I'm in an economy where raising my rates is extremely hard to do |
| 18:46.33 | carmony | makes a lot of sense |
| 18:47.15 | carmony | I wouldn't mind my taxes as much if I didn't feel like they were being so inefficient with it |
| 18:47.29 | dataw0lf | yes, let's bring taxes back to Clinton's time when we ended up with a surplus and the economy boomed. |
| 18:47.39 | jsmith | carmony: Yeah... be grateful we don't get all the government we pay for! |
| 18:47.56 | dataw0lf | yea. Afghanistan and Iraq have been getting it |
| 18:48.37 | carmony | While I don't agree with the costs of the War or the republican party, doesn't mean spending more and more right now is a smart idea |
| 18:48.50 | dataw0lf | carmony: so let's freeze spending like Hoover did? |
| 18:49.00 | dataw0lf | is... that what you want? |
| 18:49.13 | dataw0lf | this time around we can call them McCainvilles, if you like. |
| 18:49.33 | mindjuju | different circumstance, different time |
| 18:49.40 | mindjuju | and he's just expressing his opinion |
| 18:50.20 | mindjuju | keynesian econ might work and it might not |
| 18:50.29 | mindjuju | i'll guess will find out |
| 18:50.31 | carmony | I just hate how *inefficient* the goverment is. Example, I know of some research groups in Washington state that might get stimulous money, and its a lot of money |
| 18:50.51 | carmony | but they don't actually find out if they get the money until they actually get th emoney |
| 18:51.12 | carmony | the fund lasts for a year, but for them to qualify to use it, they have to run an entire year study |
| 18:51.46 | carmony | So basically they get the money and for them to be able to use it they have to start the same day on an enourmous project, which in the research field is impossible to do |
| 18:51.51 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: what's the fundamental problem with the economy right now? When you look at really, really basic economics, what's the problem? |
| 18:51.55 | dataw0lf | It's demand. |
| 18:52.11 | mindjuju | i'd disagree |
| 18:52.24 | dataw0lf | well you can disagree all you want, that's the problem. People aren't buying anything. |
| 18:52.31 | mindjuju | it's demand where payment was based on credit that didn't reflect money the person actually had |
| 18:52.37 | mindjuju | spending without being able to pay |
| 18:52.44 | mindjuju | that, IMNSHO is what happened |
| 18:53.06 | mindjuju | and to "encourage" us to get back to the level of irresponsible spending is bad |
| 18:54.12 | fungus | You're both right. |
| 18:54.37 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:54.39 | fungus | Demand has decreased due to over spender's current wake-up call |
| 18:54.53 | mindjuju | i just wish i had a decent resolution |
| 18:55.11 | dataw0lf | noone is encouraging anyone to back to irresponsible spending. People are losing jobs because employers have to fire because noone is buying anything. When capitalism turns sour, it turns _really sour. So you _could_ just ride it out, but the damage to the infrastructure of both our country and economy would catastrophic. |
| 18:55.52 | dataw0lf | So capitalism needs a little "chin-up" every now and then. Noone is trying to socialize anything. You "stimulate" the economy by injecting it into programs that invigorate employment. |
| 18:55.55 | carmony | So how can a goverment do anything to prevent that? |
| 18:56.26 | mindjuju | no, the market can take care of itself |
| 18:56.38 | mindjuju | doesn't need a chin-up |
| 18:56.46 | mindjuju | if it is down, it's down for a reason |
| 18:56.51 | mindjuju | we need to weather it |
| 18:57.01 | mindjuju | artificially trying to chin-up further complicates things |
| 18:57.10 | dataw0lf | well, we had a guy who ran on that proposal, and he lost |
| 18:57.39 | carmony | dataw0lf, I actually think we're on the same page on what should be done, but having the goverment take majority interest in banks and such is a scary thing. |
| 18:57.41 | mindjuju | not sure if i'm getting your point on last argument |
| 18:59.39 | dataw0lf | carmony: like the savings and loans crisis of the early nineties? we took over hundreds of banks for a temporary time. |
| 18:59.57 | carmony | yeah, but this time they're not letting banks get out |
| 19:00.15 | mindjuju | i heard that carmony, but haven't had a chance to study it |
| 19:00.22 | mindjuju | seems like heard about it yesterday |
| 19:00.23 | carmony | Wells Fargo, their REgional Director is a friend of the family, and he said Washington is *refusing* to let them pay back |
| 19:00.38 | carmony | they were basically forced to take and keep TARP money |
| 19:01.02 | mindjuju | i did several banks saying that |
| 19:01.14 | mindjuju | they were being forced by regulators and now are in process of trying to pay back |
| 19:02.17 | carmony | so while I agree that if the goverment stepped in only when absolutely necessary |
| 19:02.25 | carmony | but that is *NOT* what they are doing |
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| 19:04.13 | dataw0lf | carmony: that's bologna. The banks used the TARP money as windfall assets. |
| 19:04.38 | carmony | Some of them, yes |
| 19:04.50 | carmony | But there have been banks who have not wanted it |
| 19:04.56 | carmony | and were forced to take it and keep it |
| 19:05.31 | carmony | and then the goverment wants to tell them how to run their business |
| 19:06.04 | dataw0lf | no, the banks were going to keep it as a windfall and for future acquisitions, and the administration told them that wasn't what it was for, so they got pissed off and tried to return it. |
| 19:06.18 | dataw0lf | the banks didn't just say HEY I DON'T WANT THE MONEY! |
| 19:06.42 | dataw0lf | they were told they needed to use it to, y'know, stimulate the public sector because that's the whole point of... stimulating the economy. |
| 19:06.43 | mindjuju | well, i wasn't there I admit it, but i'm goign to take the bank at their word on this, though i'm curious to see more about no allowed repayment of TARP |
| 19:06.48 | mindjuju | reading this now --> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html |
| 19:07.21 | mindjuju | Scary! --> (1:14:22 PM) dataw0lf: they were told they needed to use it to, y'know, stimulate the public sector because that's the whole point of... stimulating the economy. |
| 19:07.30 | mindjuju | gov forcing private sector to take and do things |
| 19:07.39 | carmony | The goverment should have zero control over how any company chooses to run their business. |
| 19:07.40 | utahcon | no bueno |
| 19:07.45 | dataw0lf | Yes, because it's never happened before. |
| 19:07.46 | carmony | stopping them from doing illegal stuff, yes |
| 19:07.51 | carmony | bur directing them is scary |
| 19:07.54 | mindjuju | and it shouldn't happen now |
| 19:07.56 | dataw0lf | OMG WE'RE TURNING INTO COMMUNISM |
| 19:08.13 | dataw0lf | No, we're not. When corporations act as foolish as corporations have, they need to be reined in. |
| 19:08.17 | dataw0lf | but lunchtime. |
| 19:08.25 | utahcon | dataw0lf: no they need to be closed. |
| 19:08.54 | dataw0lf | utahcon: let's say your bank closes with all of your money in it. Goes bankrupt. |
| 19:09.00 | dataw0lf | Who are you going to turn to to get that money back? |
| 19:09.14 | utahcon | FDIC |
| 19:09.25 | dataw0lf | What's that first letter stand for? |
| 19:09.25 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:09.36 | mindjuju | dude |
| 19:09.38 | mindjuju | come on |
| 19:09.42 | carmony | Its one thing making logs on keeping your business safe |
| 19:09.43 | dataw0lf | so it's ok for the government to pay YOU money that you lose when a corporation goes out of business? |
| 19:09.55 | carmony | laws* |
| 19:10.24 | dataw0lf | It's federally funded insurance. It's taxpayer money. And the government steps in when the business goes bankrupt. |
| 19:10.38 | utahcon | I get that |
| 19:11.14 | utahcon | I can see banks having to answer to the gov... as they insure them. |
| 19:11.23 | dataw0lf | k lunch bbiab |
| 19:12.32 | utahcon | There is not political conversation I can join, cause I am not well enough educated in the ways of gov, business, or people to argue any one side effectively. :( |
| 19:12.32 | mindjuju | heh, that's funny |
| 19:12.43 | mindjuju | TARP = FDIC preemptive payout |
| 19:12.51 | mindjuju | nah, don't think so |
| 19:13.30 | utahcon | I look at things from the perspective of how would I like that to happen, and usually my ways end up with me rich or powerful and everyone else boned. |
| 19:13.37 | utahcon | don't ever vote me president |
| 19:13.55 | mindjuju | that's awesome utahcon |
| 19:26.52 | burnin | bummer, missed out on a fun converstaion. :) |
| 19:28.07 | utahcon | burnin: start it up again |
| 19:28.19 | burnin | screw the banks! |
| 19:28.26 | burnin | how's that? ;) |
| 19:29.10 | burnin | yeah, you don't see AFCU tied up in a TARP. |
| 19:29.16 | herlo | Their fees are lower |
| 19:29.18 | herlo | generally |
| 19:29.49 | herlo | You are a member, have a say if you like, not a customer who pays for services you may or may not need. |
| 19:30.06 | herlo | They're more personable and friendly in my experience |
| 19:30.07 | burnin | funny thing is, it wasn't long ago that local bankers were lobbying to have burdens placed on credit uinions to diminish their ability to compete with banks. |
| 19:30.19 | herlo | burnin: that's changed? |
| 19:30.52 | burnin | I think AFCU became a federal credit union because local legislators were convince to try screwing local credit unions. |
| 19:32.43 | burnin | haven't heard much from the banks lately, probably due to appeasment by the legislator and they have bigger issues now, like trying to stay solvent. |
| 19:33.37 | herlo | Yeah, I think Federal credit unions do well |
| 19:34.51 | SunSparc | http://bit.ly/H5P6H |
| 19:35.14 | SunSparc | Anyone else want to quit their jobs and go international bounty hunting with me? |
| 19:35.47 | herlo | SunSparc: sure, I could use a change of pace :) |
| 19:35.59 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:36.02 | burnin | hmm, IMO we don't need another Black Water |
| 19:36.54 | burnin | if we hire private citizens to patrol waters off Somalia what are their rules of engagement, are there any rules, who is ultimately responsible for their actions? |
| 19:37.42 | herlo | specifically, because that's how things get done... |
| 19:38.12 | herlo | people make mistakes, but the US Naval force doesn't have the resources. The international laws should put people in the right frame of mind |
| 19:39.14 | herlo | thus, the reason Black Water even happened is because of those laws in place. Someone reported it, they got caught and taken to trial. Isn't that the point of the US system? |
| 19:39.20 | burnin | the US Navy doesn't have the resources so we are going to pay for an even larger private Navy? |
| 19:39.41 | herlo | it's possible without those laws, Black Water would have continued to get away with what they were doing... |
| 19:39.55 | herlo | burnin: a small price comparatively to the the cost of the US Navy. |
| 19:40.23 | herlo | and they only get paid if they actually succeed. They take all the risk for the reward... |
| 19:40.35 | utahcon | herlo was is wxWidget you said was the best bet for sugar progs? |
| 19:40.54 | herlo | utahcon: dunno |
| 19:40.56 | herlo | Instead, privateers would be incentivized to patrol the ocean looking for key targets â and money would be paid only to the contractor who completed the job. |
| 19:41.06 | utahcon | lol I'll go read the wiki |
| 19:41.06 | herlo | utahcon: I just know there are tons of options |
| 19:41.10 | utahcon | it is pretty informative |
| 19:41.16 | herlo | good |
| 19:42.46 | burnin | the idea of private armies paid to kill people just sounds like a bad idea to me. |
| 19:43.46 | herlo | as a great argument |
| 19:44.27 | burnin | yes, and I have my own arms, its my right, but I'm not so sure that hiring me as a mercenary is such a good idea. |
| 19:44.34 | unum | I still believe those where there to garuntee state ran militias |
| 19:44.47 | unum | s/those where/that was |
| 19:45.18 | herlo | burnin: no, but there are people who are qualified and desire that kind of work. I think it's a valuable service |
| 19:45.47 | herlo | unum: sure, but I think it extends far beyond that reach nowadays |
| 19:45.50 | burnin | considering the concerns about tyranny I suspect the right to bear arms is to protect individuals against any and all tyranny, which in some cases may be the state. |
| 19:46.14 | unum | herlo: you are welcomed to your own personal opinion of how it should be applied |
| 19:46.24 | unum | just don't expect to accept it |
| 19:46.36 | herlo | unum: and the one the government has validated? |
| 19:46.56 | unum | the recent supreme court ruling gives some credence to it |
| 19:47.03 | herlo | unum: I don't expect you to accept anything you don't believe. I'm a man who believes that a good discussion is great for the soul and the mind. |
| 19:47.10 | burnin | herlo: okay, so perhaps what is needed is for the companies that run the shipping to pay for their own security. :) |
| 19:47.33 | burnin | I'd prefer my tax dollars are not spent on private military squads. |
| 19:47.33 | herlo | I don't take any bad karma away and don't intend to attack anyone personally for their beliefs, just like to share the story how I see it and hear how others hear it |
| 19:47.41 | utahcon | give the employees on the ships guns? |
| 19:47.42 | herlo | s/hear it/see it/ |
| 19:47.51 | utahcon | make the ships harder to takeover? |
| 19:48.00 | unum | automate them :) |
| 19:48.22 | herlo | burnin: they argue that killing people / protection would require hours of paperwork and it's just cheaper to let the pirates take what they want and have the insurance companies pay for it |
| 19:48.26 | herlo | I tend to agree with that |
| 19:49.16 | unum | I'm not a free market zealot |
| 19:49.25 | burnin | there ya go, automation, making the ships more difficult to hijack, I like those ideas. |
| 19:49.29 | unum | in fact I believe VERY strongly in regulated markets |
| 19:49.38 | utahcon | herlo: problem with that mentality is that there would be many more corporate sponsored pirates |
| 19:49.42 | burnin | I understand the stance of the companies to avoid the risk of arming crews. |
| 19:49.54 | unum | so also am opposed to licensing private companies to kill |
| 19:50.58 | herlo | utahcon: uh, okay |
| 19:51.11 | herlo | utahcon: if that's the case, maybe they are |
| 19:53.03 | burnin | like a PHP front end to the sea faring shipping automation? :) |
| 19:54.46 | burnin | which would be easier to hack, the current system or an automated system? |
| 19:55.00 | herlo | thus, the pirate's job actually becomes easier, 1) because they can just force the single crew person (or a few) to disconnect the automation or 2) override the remote using sophisticated attacks |
| 19:55.26 | herlo | burnin: an automated system would not be any more or less crackable |
| 19:56.26 | burnin | automated systems with remote control are likely the future, i.e. the Predator drones. |
| 19:57.01 | herlo | quite hackable methinsk |
| 19:57.10 | unum | but they are not hijacking the ships |
| 19:57.20 | unum | the fact that is mostly automated is the problem |
| 19:57.35 | unum | it makes it so there are only a few people on the ship now |
| 19:57.55 | unum | if you hijack a ship that big you have to unload it somewhere |
| 19:57.59 | unum | and they don't go very fast |
| 19:58.17 | burnin | there are far more people who can be trained to hack a manual ship using AK-47s and RPGs than an computer automated system. |
| 19:58.35 | unum | they are not hijacking the ships now |
| 19:58.39 | unum | I don't think that would change |
| 19:58.46 | herlo | unum: good point |
| 20:00.27 | burnin | I'm pretty sure they are hijacking the ships, sometimes taking them to Somilia ports, and holding them for ransom. |
| 20:00.32 | burnin | yeah, I don't think they are after the contents. |
| 20:00.39 | burnin | they want cash. |
| 20:00.49 | mindjuju | i think we should just work on teleporters |
| 20:01.02 | unum | all the news reports I have read have said they have not taken any to port |
| 20:01.06 | burnin | although I was sure they would pilfer a couple of those T-72 tanks. :) |
| 20:01.11 | utahcon | mindjuju: hell yeah... to the club and back before the wife notices :D |
| 20:01.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:04.36 | burnin | http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20090327101653779/print |
| 20:04.41 | burnin | "Pirates were taking two European-owned tankers to Somali coastal havens on Friday and are likely to demand ransoms" |
| 20:07.51 | unum | I wouldn't think they would have anywhere to dock them |
| 20:08.21 | unum | with out the crews you can threaten to sink the ships, but you don't have much to protect your own life with |
| 20:09.40 | mgeary | what we need here.... |
| 20:09.44 | mgeary | ...is a Kraken |
| 20:09.51 | burnin | lol |
| 20:10.18 | burnin | a trained Kraken |
| 20:10.36 | burnin | to sniff out pirates |
| 20:20.02 | mgeary | jeeze. i'm gonna have 5+ inches of snow on my yard when i get home |
| 20:20.17 | SunSparc | Snowboarding time. |
| 20:20.59 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:21.00 | mgeary | we do? |
| 20:21.11 | mindjuju | well, orem isn't THAT big |
| 20:21.15 | mindjuju | but maybe not that small neither |
| 20:21.15 | SunSparc | And it is supposed to be back up to 16c again by Saturday. |
| 20:21.25 | mgeary | well, i'm in the north-east corner of Provo |
| 20:21.36 | mindjuju | oh, thought you were in orem |
| 20:21.38 | mgeary | i *used* to live at ~120 south on palisade drive in Orem |
| 20:21.45 | mgeary | but that's been a couple of years now |
| 20:22.07 | mgeary | but i'm downtown orem at work, and we've got 2-3 inches easy on the lawn |
| 20:22.13 | SunSparc | NE Provo = Hoity Toity Bench |
| 20:22.38 | mgeary | hey, i'm a man of the people |
| 20:22.46 | SunSparc | heh |
| 20:23.34 | mindjuju | is NE Provo the snooty part of town? |
| 20:23.38 | jsmith | kvm on olpc? Why? |
| 20:23.53 | utahcon | olpc in kvm on ubuntu |
| 20:23.56 | utahcon | for dev |
| 20:24.15 | utahcon | I don't think the olpc is strong enough to run kvm... no I know it isn't |
| 20:24.16 | utahcon | :D |
| 20:26.37 | jsmith | I gotcha |
| 20:26.50 | utahcon | so far all is working quite well |
| 20:27.01 | utahcon | might have to go update the wiki |
| 20:28.25 | mgeary | mindjuju: well, Sherwood Hills was the place to be if you were rich... 20 years ago. Now it's the riverbottoms |
| 20:28.50 | mgeary | my neighborhood is nice, but i definitely wouldn't say it's extravagant |
| 20:36.52 | SunSparc | I would not want to live in the river bottoms for the sole reason that if the dam ever broke, those homes would be swimming. |
| 20:37.05 | mgeary | yep |
| 20:37.07 | mgeary | totally |
| 20:37.20 | SunSparc | And they have a terrible view of the sunset. |
| 20:37.23 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:38.59 | mgeary | though i've got some power lines i'd pay some serious bucks to get rid of |
| 20:39.10 | mgeary | assuming i could find said serious bucks |
| 20:39.22 | SunSparc | heh |
| 20:50.51 | utahcon | doh... olpc in kvm did not work :( |
| 20:52.55 | utahcon | actually it mostly did |
| 21:21.12 | SunSparc | ~teabag burnin |
| 21:21.13 | ibot | ACTION squats |
| 21:21.17 | burnin | lol |
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| 21:24.47 | mindjuju | naughty naughty ibot |
| 21:26.34 | SunSparc | ibot, are you naughty? |
| 21:34.13 | mindjuju | cool vid of Britain's Got Talent - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBTVdnWj1hM&feature=bz301 (100% no rick roll) |
| 21:39.00 | josephscott | just watch the original - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY |
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| 21:41.25 | mindjuju | wow 7mill+ views |
| 21:44.57 | josephscott | voice like that, deserves 1,000 times that many |
| 21:45.45 | mindjuju | yeah, gives goosebumps to watch |
| 21:46.45 | mindjuju | and seeing Simon enjoying it adds a lot to it, though i've only seen american idol like 3 times, i've seen how jerky he can be, but seeing him act that way added to it |
| 21:47.07 | beandog | eh |
| 21:47.08 | beandog | whotd I miss |
| 21:47.18 | beandog | i can haz backlog of linkx? kthx |
| 21:47.23 | mindjuju | @beandog -> (3:46:41 PM) josephscott: just watch the original - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY |
| 21:47.33 | mindjuju | it's safe cause josephscott posted it, no rickroll |
| 21:47.49 | josephscott | :-) |
| 21:51.51 | utahcon | beandog is an astley fan |
| 21:53.08 | DexterTheDragon | who isn't |
| 21:53.26 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
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| 21:56.48 | beandog | good video |
| 21:56.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:00.31 | mindjuju | for beandog - http://www.crocco.net/fun/grayskull.jpg |
| 22:00.48 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:00.51 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 22:00.58 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:01.07 | mindjuju | been saving that for days until the next time i saw ya |
| 22:01.09 | beandog | wow |
| 22:01.16 | beandog | you know, I think I remember having most of these guys |
| 22:01.28 | beandog | that guy with the faces always freaked me out |
| 22:01.49 | mindjuju | tri-klops? |
| 22:01.50 | beandog | heh |
| 22:01.55 | beandog | that guy on the left is totally running *away* |
| 22:02.16 | beandog | oh, him too |
| 22:02.18 | beandog | man-e-faces |
| 22:02.36 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
| 22:03.43 | beandog | mindjuju, that is just buckets of awesome :D |
| 22:03.48 | fungus | Skeletor was always my fav |
| 22:04.05 | mindjuju | i alwasy wanted battlecat |
| 22:05.43 | beandog | Orko was the best |
| 22:06.11 | beandog | man what a great show |
| 22:06.25 | mindjuju | well, i'm officially tired of coding to music for the next little while i'm goign to listen / glance this --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVA_RDzxss |
| 22:06.29 | mindjuju | no rickroll guarantee |
| 22:07.10 | mindjuju | game soundtrack rock |
| 22:08.46 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Are you on a Mac? |
| 22:14.04 | jsmith | SunSparc: Yeah, and he's coding in Java too! |
| 22:14.38 | herlo | jsmith: why so cruel :) |
| 22:14.53 | jsmith | herlo: I've become bitter in my old age :-) |
| 22:15.02 | herlo | yep, you *are* old. |
| 22:15.25 | herlo | something like 'Hey you kids! Get off my property' (shotgun cocking) |
| 22:15.28 | herlo | I mean it! |
| 22:15.34 | herlo | BooooM!! |
| 22:15.35 | jsmith | herlo: (It's a long-standing theme in this channel... since long before you started hanging out here... we're always giving thebigdog a bad time about Java, but he out-earns the rest of us because of it) |
| 22:15.44 | herlo | kids run!!! |
| 22:16.01 | herlo | jsmith: what are you saying, I am a n00b? |
| 22:16.14 | jsmith | herlo: I wasn't saying that at all. |
| 22:16.23 | herlo | lol |
| 22:16.31 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Have you tried SQLEditor? |
| 22:16.39 | thebigdog | SunSparc, no i am on just a laptop |
| 22:17.03 | thebigdog | SunSparc, i use dbvisualizer for my db stuff |
| 22:17.15 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 22:17.17 | thebigdog | and for oracle db i use sqldeveloper |
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| 22:23.18 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 22:25.09 | SunSparc | He-Man pic? What is so fascinating about it? |
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| 22:28.49 | beandog | its colorful |
| 22:30.10 | thebigdog | reminds him of his garbage pal kid pic |
| 22:42.20 | thebigdog | SunSparc, that editor you are talking about uses java to do some pretty cool stuff |
| 22:42.42 | SunSparc | I like it. Have been using it for a year or so. |
| 23:32.59 | SunSparc | Night all! |
