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| 14:41.14 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju1 |
| 14:41.14 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of mindjuju1's pants |
| 14:58.07 | Utah_Dave | ouch! |
| 14:58.10 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju1 |
| 14:58.11 | ibot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju1, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
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| 14:58.39 | carmony | *sigh* |
| 14:58.40 | carmony | its monday.... |
| 14:58.59 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 15:02.47 | carmony | how was everyones weekend? |
| 15:03.08 | mgeary | weekend? |
| 15:03.12 | mgeary | we had a weekend? |
| 15:04.42 | jsmith | It was relaxing... |
| 15:04.47 | jsmith | ... except for when it wasn't |
| 15:07.30 | mgeary | my sod came today |
| 15:07.37 | mgeary | 9 palettes |
| 15:08.27 | utahcon | mine was great till this morning... |
| 15:08.33 | utahcon | got a speeding ticket at the airport :( |
| 15:08.57 | carmony | no fun |
| 15:10.28 | utahcon | no... |
| 15:10.31 | utahcon | no it is not |
| 15:10.57 | mgeary | bah |
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| 15:38.12 | SunSparc | ~monday |
| 15:38.13 | ibot | hmm... monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
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| 15:39.45 | SunSparc | ~monday |
| 15:39.46 | ibot | somebody said monday was when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :) |
| 15:40.49 | DexterTheDragon | ummmm... no |
| 15:41.06 | SunSparc | heh |
| 15:44.17 | SunSparc | ~seen mindjuju |
| 15:44.21 | ibot | mindjuju <n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 3d 20h 50m 9s ago, saying: 'a pinch expensive, but worth it IMNSHO'. |
| 15:45.17 | SunSparc | Looks like he is hiding behind a 1. |
| 15:45.22 | SunSparc | ping mindjuju1 |
| 15:45.59 | herlo | ~seen mindjuju1 |
| 15:46.00 | ibot | mindjuju1 is currently on #utos (1d 9h 55m 17s) #uphpu (1d 9h 55m 17s) #ubuntu-us-ut (1d 9h 55m 17s), last said: 'dude trevynmeyer, do you know how HARD i work to get these people to give you another chance'. |
| 15:46.16 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 15:46.18 | herlo | oh, boy! |
| 15:46.28 | SunSparc | Sorry I missed that one. :) |
| 15:46.54 | SunSparc | ~seen trevynmeyer |
| 15:46.56 | ibot | trevynmeyer <n=trevynme@70-0-42-59.pools.spcsdns.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 32d 18h 12m 58s ago, saying: 'mindjuju: Iknow your interested :P'. |
| 15:47.04 | mgeary | how time flies |
| 15:47.17 | carmony | lol |
| 15:47.44 | herlo | hmm |
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| 16:12.10 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 16:12.11 | ibot | beats fungus severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
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| 16:47.45 | brasto | In this rewrite rule written by Justin: Hileman http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2009-April/009970.html , does the 'no case' flag [NC] in the RewriteCond need to be there since it's just a domain and domains are not case sensitive? |
| 16:49.25 | fungus | domains are not case sensitive technically, but I am unsure whether apache will pass the case sent from the browser direct to mod_rewrite. |
| 16:49.29 | fungus | needs testing |
| 16:50.11 | fungus | or manual searching |
| 16:51.22 | brasto | I suppose I can save this config file without that flag set and see if it redirects properly when I put random capital letters in the domain... :) |
| 16:51.57 | brasto | Before I save, though, let me check one other thing with y'all. |
| 16:52.15 | fungus | Hrm, Firefox is forcing it to lowercase. |
| 16:52.47 | fungus | IE does too |
| 16:52.56 | brasto | If I have 2 rewrite conditions, each followed by their own rules, the first one specified has precedence, then the second, right? |
| 16:53.22 | brasto | ah, so I'd have to use a browser that doesn't force a case, fungus? |
| 16:53.45 | brasto | I guess that's an obvious question, with an obvious answer... |
| 16:53.48 | fungus | Lynx does not force lowercase. |
| 16:54.01 | fungus | And the variable is indeed mixed case. |
| 16:54.07 | fungus | Leave the [NC] in there. |
| 16:54.09 | herlo | don't use Lynx, that's old, use Links |
| 16:54.27 | fungus | I had to verify if Apache is lowercasing the hostname or not. |
| 16:54.36 | brasto | herlo, Links is better, but in FreeBSD I have to use Lynx |
| 16:54.50 | brasto | unless, of course, i manually install links |
| 16:54.51 | fungus | By using an old, broken browser I am sure to get mixed case passed to Apache |
| 16:54.55 | herlo | brasto: really? you can't use portage to install elinks? |
| 16:55.12 | fungus | brasto: links is available in ports |
| 16:55.20 | herlo | er ports, yeah |
| 16:55.24 | brasto | herlo and fungus: I just mean what's there by default |
| 16:55.25 | fungus | herlo: lynx is installed by default though. |
| 16:56.16 | fungus | brasto: no, rules do not have precedence, they are *all* run. |
| 16:56.25 | fungus | Unless you use the [L] flag |
| 16:58.33 | fungus | Or just make your conditions and rules only match the transformations you need. |
| 16:59.35 | brasto | fungus: I /think/ I'm writing rules that will not conflict, I just asked for the 'just in case'. |
| 17:04.45 | brasto | here's another question. I see some places where a previous admin has used mod_rewrite directly within <VirtualHost> but others where the previous admin put the mod rewrites in <Directory>. According to HTTP Server documentation ( http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html#rewritebase ), it should be in <Directory>, but it appears to work in <VirtualHost> as well. |
| 17:05.24 | brasto | oh |
| 17:05.28 | brasto | never mind |
| 17:05.42 | brasto | that, obviously was for rewritebase |
| 17:05.50 | brasto | not rewritecond |
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| 17:06.40 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo, sunsparc |
| 17:06.41 | ibot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to stake out herlo, sunsparc |
| 17:07.10 | herlo | mindjuju: welcome back |
| 17:07.36 | fungus | brasto: don't worry, we've all got stupid stuff logged in the collective bowels of the Internet. |
| 17:07.57 | mindjuju | ~apb macnewbold, utah_dave |
| 17:07.58 | ibot | ACTION summons Leland to find macnewbold, utah_dave |
| 17:07.58 | SunSparc | mindjuju: We saw from "seen" that you were trying once again to help Trevyn. |
| 17:08.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:08.07 | mindjuju | yeah, saw that |
| 17:08.12 | SunSparc | heh |
| 17:08.16 | mindjuju | he's a decent guy, just ... |
| 17:08.20 | Utah_Dave | hey, mindjuju! |
| 17:08.31 | mindjuju | sup utah_dave, saw you pinged me |
| 17:08.38 | mindjuju | or rather tunafarted |
| 17:08.40 | mindjuju | was that a ping? |
| 17:08.45 | Utah_Dave | oh, just saying hi! |
| 17:08.51 | mindjuju | ~apb utahcon |
| 17:08.51 | ibot | ACTION summons baby Lyssa to find utahcon |
| 17:08.55 | mindjuju | ah, good times |
| 17:09.03 | mindjuju | nothing like a tuna fart to let somebody know you care |
| 17:09.24 | utahcon | ? |
| 17:09.42 | mindjuju | utahcon, you pinged me a couple days ago |
| 17:10.01 | utahcon | oh right... who is presenting this week? It is this week right? |
| 17:10.19 | mindjuju | sorry all, after the 3rd wave of layoffs, the office has been crazy and scrambling to keep same service level, less workers |
| 17:10.35 | mindjuju | Yeah, I was suppose to send out promo this morning for it and post everywhere |
| 17:10.36 | herlo | utahcon: http://blog.utos.org/2009/04/03/news-utah-open-source-events-april-2009/ |
| 17:11.12 | mindjuju | This month's meeting is being presented by the uberGuru Fungus |
| 17:11.26 | mindjuju | and he's presenting on SSL certs + Apache |
| 17:11.33 | utahcon | thanks herlo! |
| 17:11.49 | brasto | fungus: you need to escape dots in rewritecond, right? |
| 17:12.19 | fungus | need? no. should? yes |
| 17:12.56 | brasto | same with RewriteRule? |
| 17:13.06 | fungus | any regex matching |
| 17:13.26 | herlo | well, depends on if you want a literal . |
| 17:13.26 | fungus | . is any character, including a . |
| 17:13.43 | fungus | so in many cases it just works, but it isn't as specific as \. |
| 17:14.42 | fungus | ^hi.$ matches "hi." as well as "hiP" |
| 17:14.51 | brasto | wow, there's already a lot of RewriteRules in here without escaped dots. |
| 17:15.10 | fungus | Right, in most cases it's not a big deal. |
| 17:15.32 | fungus | It's really quite common. |
| 17:16.01 | fungus | Only a problem if you have two similar URLs. index.html and another url that is indexMhtml |
| 17:16.10 | herlo | utahcon: np |
| 17:16.21 | brasto | so www. would match www. as well as wwwx, but either way it works since the domain wwwxwhatever.com doesn't go to that server (most likely) anyway. |
| 17:16.23 | fungus | now come on, is that really going to happen? :) |
| 17:16.32 | fungus | exactly |
| 17:17.01 | brasto | but if they ever happen to get wwwxwhatever.com , they are in for a bunch of sorrow... |
| 17:17.25 | herlo | utahcon: that blog post also went out as an email at the beginning of the month to the uphpu list :) |
| 17:17.47 | utahcon | hmm |
| 17:17.55 | utahcon | didn't see it... I'll have to find that filter and fix it. |
| 17:20.57 | herlo | utahcon: you like filtering my mail I see :-P |
| 17:21.09 | utahcon | :D |
| 17:21.37 | utahcon | Most of my filtering is to make sense of all the email coming... |
| 17:21.51 | utahcon | Unfortunately sometimes I get filters that filter filters and things get... misplaced. |
| 17:23.31 | DexterTheDragon | in the trash |
| 17:24.11 | utahcon | almost never the trash |
| 17:24.14 | utahcon | actually. |
| 17:28.52 | SunSparc | http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1057 |
| 17:29.51 | herlo | or a shorter link: http://ping.fm/jKMVK |
| 17:29.56 | herlo | SunSparc: ^^ |
| 17:30.15 | herlo | the one I provided has all 3 videos... |
| 17:30.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:30.48 | SunSparc | They are all good, but that French one was slightly humorous. |
| 17:30.59 | herlo | yeah, even without understanding the language |
| 17:31.07 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 17:32.52 | brasto | interesting... this works in <VirtualHost *:80> but not <VirtualHost *:443>: |
| 17:33.11 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.11 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.18 | mgeary | "Amitay Tweeto", now that's an awesome name |
| 17:35.11 | brasto | does %{HTTP_HOST} match http and https requests? |
| 17:36.37 | brasto | do say you on that SunSparc? |
| 17:37.16 | SunSparc | Eh? |
| 17:37.31 | orsonj | moregoodfoundation, has someone been watching the onion news network recently? |
| 17:38.00 | brasto | has onion news said something about moregoodfoundation? |
| 17:38.13 | orsonj | not sure, but it was something like that |
| 17:40.15 | brasto | having now looked at the front page of theonion.com, I have no desire to surf the site further... |
| 17:40.32 | brasto | but I did a quick search and did not find anything they've said about moregoodfoundation |
| 17:40.53 | brasto | SunSparc: see my comments starting with the word 'interesting' a few lines up |
| 17:41.02 | orsonj | nope, it was watchoutnow.org |
| 17:42.01 | SunSparc | Speaking of more good, here is the peep version of the Book of Mormon -> http://peepsofmormon.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:43.53 | brasto | lol, that's funny |
| 17:45.42 | SunSparc | brasto: I would say that HTTP_HOST matches both. |
| 17:47.00 | brasto | that's the only thing I can think of for why that rule (and condition) does not work on https redirect, but does on http... |
| 17:48.19 | brasto | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html#rewritecond |
| 17:50.19 | brasto | fungus, do you know why the rule and condition I posted above does not work in <VirtualHost *:443> but does in <VirtualHost *:80>? |
| 17:55.39 | fungus | Nope, not sure, should work. Might have to turn on rewriteLog |
| 18:04.04 | Dezertol | just got asked to "bundle" a form on our production website for OEM release |
| 18:05.44 | Dezertol | sometimes I wonder if they even think about the reqests they make |
| 18:07.55 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday @ 7p -- Fungus (Lonnie Olson) presenting on SSL + Apache || Utah PHP Users Group || uphpu.org || UTOS announces Conf Theme for 2009! - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue |
| 18:08.08 | mindjuju | Fungus, Olson with o or with e ? |
| 18:08.15 | fungus | o |
| 18:08.19 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:17.46 | brasto | found the prob fungus and SunSparc. I turned on the rewrite log as fungus recommended, and it logged nothing, so then I thought rewrite isn't doing anything for that domain. Then I realized I was missing RewriteEngine On for that vhost |
| 18:18.01 | SunSparc | brasto: Doh! |
| 18:18.14 | fungus | whoops |
| 18:18.27 | brasto | yea, i'm thinking maybe i should get one of those targets that says 'hit head here'. |
| 18:18.49 | brasto | ~rebuke me |
| 18:18.50 | ibot | ACTION sends a plague of locust to consume brasto |
| 18:18.55 | brasto | lol |
| 18:32.20 | brasto | SunSparc: what kind of computers do they use where you work? |
| 18:43.29 | DexterTheDragon | thats why you always start rewrite stuff with RewriteEngine on |
| 18:59.10 | carmony | Long story short, the backup script wasn't enabled on our temporary DB box, and now the user table just got truncated some how... |
| 18:59.36 | carmony | and we've lost a weeks worth of record settings user sign ups, messages sent, etc... |
| 18:59.51 | brasto | herlo: can you think of a reason why firefox, and only firefox as I've seen so far, will not keep it's window size and position settings in any desktop environment? |
| 19:00.33 | herlo | brasto: not sure what you mean |
| 19:07.28 | brasto | herlo |
| 19:07.29 | brasto | doh |
| 19:08.59 | brasto | herlo: I open firefox, and resize it, and put it where I want it to be in Gnome. I close it. I open it back up, and it forgets where I had it, and what size I had it, it reverts to the default size and position every time. I do the same in KDE 3 and KDE 4. The same happens. Firefox will not resume it's size or position on the screen like all other applications do. |
| 19:12.45 | herlo | brasto: devilspie |
| 19:12.58 | herlo | brasto: that's a problem with gnome probably, not firefox |
| 19:13.14 | herlo | ~seen beandog |
| 19:13.19 | ibot | beandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 17h 36m 44s ago, saying: 'thebigdog: still around?'. |
| 19:13.31 | herlo | hrmm |
| 19:13.33 | SunSparc | brasto: Mostly Mac's. |
| 19:14.56 | brasto | herlo, but it happens in kde 3 and kde 4 as well, and only with firefox |
| 19:15.11 | brasto | and in gnome, it remembers window sizes and positions for everything but firefox |
| 19:17.11 | brasto | same thing with kde3 and 4 |
| 19:17.35 | herlo | brasto: that's qt |
| 19:17.55 | herlo | firefox uses it's own gui toolkit, but I thought they had qt and gtk bindings |
| 19:18.53 | herlo | brasto: also, I never run firefox anything but maximized |
| 19:19.22 | brasto | funny. I'm the opposite. I never maximize a browser. |
| 19:19.42 | herlo | brasto: I use all of my workspaces rather than one |
| 19:19.54 | herlo | thus everything is maximized most of the time |
| 19:20.24 | brasto | I use 4 workspaces, but I do themes - internet and email on one, chat on another, banshee on another |
| 19:20.29 | brasto | etc |
| 19:21.04 | herlo | same here, just use 5 workspace, internet and email are seperate, chat is in the terminal audio is generally hidden |
| 19:21.20 | mindjuju | Meeting Thursday @ 7p -- Fungus (Lonnie Olson) presenting on SSL + Apache || Utah PHP Users Group || uphpu.org || UTOS announces Conf Theme for 2009! - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue |
| 19:21.32 | mindjuju | sumpin' not right |
| 19:22.11 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: in kde right click the title bar, goto advanced -> special window settings, check position and size and set to remember |
| 19:23.35 | brasto | i'd forgotten about that DexterTheDragon, thank you |
| 19:36.34 | herlo | ew! |
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| 20:09.02 | mindjuju | dag! now i know what i'm doing next weekend! --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gDYObipjg |
| 20:09.09 | mindjuju | course, i don't know the first thing about welding |
| 20:09.55 | herlo | mindjuju: hehe, the ACE stuff like this is on travel channel from time to time :) |
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| 20:12.18 | herlo | http://www.aceonline.org/ <-- |
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| 20:39.11 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday @ 7p -- Fungus (Lonnie Olson) presenting on SSL + Apache || Utah PHP Users Group || uphpu.org || UTOS announces conference for 2009! - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue |
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| 22:18.11 | carmony | ok... I am now finished restoring my DB... |
| 22:18.20 | carmony | I feel sick to my stomach thinking we just lost 13 days of data |
| 22:18.57 | mgeary | gah |
| 22:19.02 | mgeary | no nightly backups?? |
| 22:19.14 | carmony | Here was the deal |
| 22:19.19 | mgeary | ~rce |
| 22:19.20 | ibot | from memory, rce is Resume-Changing Experience: an event caused by such boneheadedness that the only good that comes of it is the opportunity to freshen up your resume as you abandon all hope of keeping your current job |
| 22:19.22 | carmony | the Old DB box started to die |
| 22:19.32 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:19.42 | carmony | so we moved to a temporary DB Machine |
| 22:19.57 | carmony | which we were only supose to be on for a day |
| 22:20.43 | carmony | but it turns out ti solved our problem well enough that management drug their feet on getting new servers |
| 22:20.53 | carmony | so today our user tables gets fubar'd |
| 22:20.58 | macnewbold | k, here's a puzzler for everyone: |
| 22:20.59 | carmony | the same day we finally get our new server |
| 22:21.38 | macnewbold | what's the best way to allow users to upload large files (potentially 20-50MB) to a web server, while showing a progress bar to the user? |
| 22:21.49 | wps | FTP client |
| 22:22.06 | wps | 50 MB files should never be uploaded via HTTP in my opinion |
| 22:22.08 | mgeary | agreed |
| 22:22.09 | unum | I use scp |
| 22:22.28 | mgeary | though if i *had* to do that, i'd use a Flash uploader |
| 22:22.37 | unum | so are you guys opposed to web dav |
| 22:23.28 | _psychic_ | Flickr does a pretty good job at that. |
| 22:23.41 | _psychic_ | I think you can do uploads, but it's a lot of work. |
| 22:24.22 | wps | client: "were good for the launch Monday, right" |
| 22:24.25 | wps | wade: "yes" |
| 22:24.34 | wps | client: "greatâ¦Â let's do that and these other 10 features" |
| 22:24.46 | wps | client: "what time are we launching today?" |
| 22:24.59 | wps | wade: "uhâ¦" |
| 22:25.23 | mgeary | *clearly* an unusual client |
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| 22:25.55 | jsmith | unum: I'm not opposed to webdav |
| 22:26.03 | jsmith | unum: Why? |
| 22:26.14 | wps | don't we have a guy in this channel named webdav? |
| 22:26.30 | wps | oh, wait, that's utah_dae |
| 22:26.34 | wps | utah_dave |
| 22:34.37 | unum | jsmith: well they said they don't like transferring more than 50mb with http |
| 22:34.46 | unum | though I supposed they could still use it for smaller files |
| 22:37.13 | unum | 18:22 <+mgeary> agreed <- at 18:22 |
| 22:47.25 | fungus | macnewbold: depends on your target audience for these uploads. |
| 22:48.58 | wps | good call, fungus |
| 22:49.32 | josephscott | I don't envision sites like smugmug having an ftp option to upload files |
| 22:49.42 | josephscott | or flickr for that matter |
| 22:50.01 | fungus | Exactly, the general public still cannot grasp FTP. |
| 22:50.16 | wps | yeah, I wasn't thinking of sites like smugmug |
| 22:50.40 | fungus | Perhaps a separate server/apache instance with options boosted to allow large file uploads. |
| 22:50.59 | josephscott | and scaling ftp would be a pain |
| 22:51.22 | fungus | not for uploads |
| 22:52.13 | fungus | simple FTP uploads wouldn't be too hard. load balancer in front of many FTP servers. |
| 22:52.24 | fungus | But it's still really ugly. |
| 22:52.25 | josephscott | it's much easier to write a custom backend for a web upload that to write your own ftp server |
| 22:54.02 | fungus | But if macnewbold just needs to enable an admin user occasional uploads of big files, FTP might not be out of the question, or WebDAV for that matter. |
| 22:55.05 | josephscott | agreed, if this is not a user facing thing then other methods are often easier |
| 23:21.02 | macnewbold | mgeary: fungus: yeah, the audience won't have ftp access. I think the flash uploader makes sense, anyone know of a good free one? |
| 23:21.29 | macnewbold | it's user facing, like a flikr or smugmug |
| 23:22.00 | macnewbold | and it has to have some sort of progress indicator, so just a straight html form post with file data won't work. |
| 23:23.00 | olds | I've used this one several times: http://www.pixeline.be/experiments/jqUploader/ |
| 23:24.09 | macnewbold | olds: thanks - do you like it? how involved is the integration (i.e. approx how much time should I plan on)? |
| 23:24.13 | dataw0lf | I've heard good things about uploadify (another jQuery file uploader) http://www.pixeline.be/experiments/jqUploader/ |
| 23:24.16 | dataw0lf | err |
| 23:24.20 | dataw0lf | http://www.uploadify.com/demo/ |
| 23:24.46 | olds | took me about 30 minutes to setup the way I wanted it |
| 23:25.51 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 23:26.52 | macnewbold | awesome. thanks olds and dataw0lf |
| 23:27.23 | dataw0lf | np |
| 23:32.02 | olds | np |
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