| 00:11.12 | herlo | ooh, that's kind of cool |
| 00:11.47 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 00:44.50 | carmony | should I switch to worker instead of prefork? |
| 00:45.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 00:53.35 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: are you using php? |
| 00:54.21 | DexterTheDragon | more specifically are you using mod_php |
| 01:12.55 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: ping |
| 01:29.45 | unum | I think I'm using worker and am having weird issues |
| 01:30.00 | unum | oh well I'll just make it so it only loads twenty employees per page |
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| 14:28.17 | SunSparc | ¡Æuıuɹoɯ pooÆ |
| 14:31.44 | SunSparc | I hope it is an LCD. |
| 14:34.10 | orsonj | ~lart unicode |
| 14:34.10 | ibot | chops unicode in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 14:54.43 | orsonj | too bad you can't register uıÊs.nu |
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| 15:03.05 | orsonj | ah, but you can register xn--uis-90b.nu for about $80 |
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| 15:28.22 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, pong |
| 15:31.02 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: I figured it out, thanks |
| 15:32.53 | PoeticIntensity | kkk |
| 15:33.14 | DexterTheDragon | wow triple k |
| 15:34.56 | itimber | hey guys |
| 15:35.02 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:35.21 | itimber | at what point does MySQL start to have problems? |
| 15:35.36 | itimber | I've got a DB that's sitting at 600MB |
| 15:35.45 | mgeary | not there |
| 15:35.51 | itimber | and I'm curious if I should start splitting that out into multiple DBs |
| 15:35.54 | itimber | no? |
| 15:35.57 | itimber | where then? |
| 15:36.01 | itimber | a gig? |
| 15:36.03 | mgeary | i've got a DB that is a couple of gigs |
| 15:36.07 | itimber | 10 gigs |
| 15:36.09 | itimber | k |
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| 16:04.43 | itimber | is there a way to loop through all declared variables? |
| 16:04.58 | itimber | of course I can loop.... |
| 16:05.25 | itimber | but is there a function that identify all declared variables? |
| 16:06.58 | itimber | no big... I can do it another way, will just take a bit more code |
| 16:07.50 | carmony | All variables? |
| 16:08.01 | carmony | var_dump($GLOBALS); :P |
| 16:08.15 | carmony | but that is a huge pile info :P |
| 16:17.38 | itimber | oh, no..... like within a function |
| 16:18.38 | itimber | is no biggie |
| 16:19.03 | itimber | something like this though: |
| 16:19.19 | itimber | $v = allvars(); |
| 16:19.39 | itimber | then I could loop through $v and do something to each |
| 16:23.32 | SunSparc | I think you can do something like print_r($this) |
| 16:29.42 | dataw0lf | http://truedat.org/post/us-conficker-infection-map/ |
| 16:32.10 | josephscott | everyone has read this by now I assume: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10209580-92.html |
| 16:35.14 | carmony | lol |
| 16:36.12 | pelaofeliz | itimber: do you want just the function parameters, or locally declared vars, too? |
| 16:37.48 | itimber | just local vars... but I'm going another route now, no big |
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| 16:56.54 | SunSparc | josephscott: Interesting article. |
| 16:57.55 | josephscott | SunSparc: yeah, nice to get a peak inside google data center hardware |
| 16:59.25 | SunSparc | Indeed. It is great to see companies that buck the norm and "think different". Very refreshing. |
| 17:18.43 | DexterTheDragon | itimber: http://us2.php.net/get_defined_vars |
| 17:19.59 | itimber | nice.... thx DexterTheDragon |
| 17:20.58 | itimber | get_defined... of course |
| 17:21.05 | itimber | duh |
| 17:21.26 | itimber | ever ask a question then feel dumb when you get the answer? |
| 17:21.28 | itimber | sheesh |
| 17:27.48 | SunSparc | Nope, I never do that... |
| 17:27.56 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 17:55.47 | mindjuju | ...sigh... this day is worse than yesterday |
| 17:56.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Firefox is quickly becoming my least favorite browser |
| 17:56.46 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Lone_Wanderer: Why and Why? |
| 17:57.12 | Lone_Wanderer | It's so SLOW |
| 17:57.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I shouldn't have to wait a second and a half for FF to realize I'm mousing over a link |
| 17:57.54 | mgeary | ~Safari++ |
| 17:57.55 | mindjuju | nepotism mainly. the company's new GD is the owners daughter who decided to offer a new redesign of the site using a grpahic that looks like abomiblable snow man on our website |
| 17:57.57 | SunSparc | Yeah, it is pretty slow for me sometimes too. |
| 17:57.58 | mindjuju | it's hideous |
| 17:58.04 | SunSparc | ~Safari++ |
| 17:58.17 | SunSparc | I have really been enjoying Safari since I started using it. |
| 17:58.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. |
| 17:58.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Is Safari available on Windows? |
| 17:58.42 | SunSparc | ~IE-- |
| 17:58.45 | SunSparc | Lone_Wanderer: Yes |
| 17:58.49 | mindjuju | but as they say "this is a battle i don't think we can win..." |
| 17:58.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Just do it. |
| 17:59.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Then get some "customers" (I'll volunteer) to email in saying how hideous it is |
| 18:01.05 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer -- you say that now, but wait till you see it |
| 18:02.02 | mindjuju | oh the horror!!! |
| 18:02.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it's pretty bad. |
| 18:02.19 | fungus | com on, post it publicly. |
| 18:02.28 | fungus | s/com/come/ |
| 18:02.29 | mindjuju | no way fungus, but i'll PM it to ya |
| 18:02.40 | josephscott | mindjuju: if it's that bad you must post a URL in the channel :-) |
| 18:02.50 | mindjuju | now posting this on the chan |
| 18:02.54 | mindjuju | but i'll pm you the link |
| 18:02.55 | fungus | hehe |
| 18:02.59 | mindjuju | i'd like to keep my job |
| 18:03.25 | mindjuju | so fungus, what you think |
| 18:03.25 | utahcon | what?! |
| 18:03.31 | utahcon | cisco jobs suck? |
| 18:03.32 | mindjuju | doesn't the pic look like Yeti? |
| 18:03.40 | fungus | That's gonna scare me away. Yikes |
| 18:03.40 | mindjuju | abominable snow man? |
| 18:03.47 | mindjuju | see, i'm saying |
| 18:03.57 | mindjuju | and the layout... Horrendous |
| 18:03.58 | mgeary | utahcon: not saying that |
| 18:04.02 | mgeary | utahcon: http://ciscofatty.com/ruin-a-fatty-cisco-job-with-1-tweet/ |
| 18:04.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Nobody wants to see anything staring at them. |
| 18:04.20 | mindjuju | it looks like freakin sasquatch bleached |
| 18:04.37 | mindjuju | there is no color cohesion |
| 18:04.58 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:05.02 | mindjuju | so then i revert back to my college training in poli sci, specifically this |
| 18:05.19 | mindjuju | insensible is the man who only enters contests he knows he can win |
| 18:06.04 | mindjuju | oops, not insensible |
| 18:06.07 | mindjuju | it's invincible |
| 18:06.11 | mindjuju | darn spell check |
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| 18:06.39 | brasto | anyone know if you can use flac's cli to combine two flac files into one? |
| 18:09.32 | carmony | okay, anyone knwo anything about UTF-8 and PHP? :( |
| 18:09.54 | utahcon | what do you need to know carmony |
| 18:11.50 | carmony | k, I think what is happening is that I'm getting a SOAP Request that is well formed XML in UTF-8 |
| 18:12.02 | carmony | however, when PHP Parses it, it parses it using Latin1 |
| 18:12.09 | carmony | and then passes it to the SOAP server |
| 18:12.19 | carmony | which then complains about a bad request. |
| 18:12.45 | utahcon | how is PHP parsing it? |
| 18:13.47 | carmony | k, I'm seeing a special single quote |
| 18:14.00 | carmony | but PHP is parsing it as a funny a |
| 18:14.17 | utahcon | are you sure it is well formed xml in utf-8? |
| 18:14.28 | carmony | yup |
| 18:15.06 | utahcon | why are you parsing in Latin1? |
| 18:16.30 | carmony | I think PHP is |
| 18:16.44 | carmony | when it puts it in the HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA variable |
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| 18:37.34 | mgeary | thebigdog: ping |
| 18:37.36 | mgeary | thebigdog: see IM |
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| 19:12.30 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 19:16.26 | josephscott | mindjuju: what's the UPHPU topic/speaker for this month? just noticed it's two weeks from today |
| 19:20.52 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, I wanna see the graphic, too..... *sobs* |
| 19:22.41 | utahcon | herlo: so no really... when do you think you are going to update utos.org... I keep hitting refresh... just keep seeing Stuart's not-so-exciting-as-conference-details face. |
| 19:24.11 | herlo | lol |
| 19:24.21 | herlo | utahcon: any minute now, waiting for details form the proofreader |
| 19:24.35 | utahcon | ~lart proofreader |
| 19:24.35 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to proofreader, and goes postal |
| 19:24.47 | utahcon | herlo: did you want me to proof it? |
| 19:24.47 | utahcon | :D |
| 19:24.51 | herlo | s/form/from/ |
| 19:25.01 | herlo | utahcon: uh, sure? |
| 19:25.05 | utahcon | good thing you have a proof reader :D |
| 19:25.19 | herlo | lol, exactly why it went there |
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| 19:28.26 | utahcon | some of my scripts are pretty harsh... |
| 19:28.27 | SunSparc | Wow, I can feel the love. |
| 19:28.35 | utahcon | I should update them to my new personality. |
| 19:28.59 | carmony | anyone know of a tool in windows that can beautify XML? |
| 19:29.03 | PoeticIntensity | 'ello, supernovia. |
| 19:29.14 | PoeticIntensity | what's new on your side of the street? |
| 19:29.16 | utahcon | carmony: firefox |
| 19:30.41 | supernovia | On my side of the street, PoeticIntensity? |
| 19:30.56 | PoeticIntensity | eh'... your neck of the woods... |
| 19:31.03 | PoeticIntensity | umm... what other way could it be said? |
| 19:31.11 | PoeticIntensity | something like, "How are things"...? |
| 19:31.33 | supernovia | Oh, yes I know what you mean. I should have said, on MY side of the street? as in, you talkin' to me? |
| 19:31.33 | PoeticIntensity | etc... |
| 19:31.41 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 19:31.44 | supernovia | Lots of new stuff here! |
| 19:32.00 | supernovia | Like glasses, for my mild-mannered alter ego |
| 19:32.16 | PoeticIntensity | I see... |
| 19:32.20 | supernovia | I do too! |
| 19:32.30 | supernovia | Just not out the sides, so that'll get a little weird. |
| 19:33.25 | supernovia | And here's what's old: two nightstands and two lamps for the kiddos. I scored at D.I. today |
| 19:36.44 | supernovia | what's new on your street today? :) |
| 19:37.06 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 19:37.39 | PoeticIntensity | the last of the projects I've been working on for the past 2 years have just been ripped from my care. *sigh* |
| 19:37.53 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: :/ |
| 19:37.56 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 19:38.01 | mgeary | how's that Windows development workin' out for ya? |
| 19:38.16 | PoeticIntensity | So, now, the only "productive" thing I have to do is .... learn .NET and C#. |
| 19:38.24 | PoeticIntensity | or find another job. |
| 19:38.31 | mgeary | indeed |
| 19:38.40 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, been procrastinating that to the hilt. |
| 19:39.01 | PoeticIntensity | I have actually opened the laptop given me for C# development, however... |
| 19:39.06 | PoeticIntensity | So that is progress... right? |
| 19:39.08 | mgeary | i cannot imagine how painful it would be to have to develop in Windows |
| 19:39.27 | PoeticIntensity | I can't either. |
| 19:39.28 | PoeticIntensity | yet. |
| 19:39.37 | mgeary | i suppose you could do Mono, couldn't you? |
| 19:39.43 | PoeticIntensity | no idea. |
| 19:39.51 | PoeticIntensity | I really don't even have a concept of .NET yet. |
| 19:40.14 | PoeticIntensity | various people have told me mono could work, but - I haven't even done any preliminary investigation. |
| 19:42.14 | tierra | you would still be writing in C# |
| 19:42.23 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 19:42.26 | mgeary | hey! use IronPython! |
| 19:42.30 | mgeary | isn't that for .NET? |
| 19:42.37 | tierra | I do hear that C# is a pretty nice language |
| 19:42.53 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Python |
| 19:43.01 | PoeticIntensity | I've been informed that if I want to stay employed here, I will be programming in C#. |
| 19:43.14 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... me too, tierra |
| 19:43.14 | tierra | I wouldn't mind jumping into it, and there's no possible way that it's worse than writing strait up Win32 API |
| 19:43.18 | tierra | er MFC |
| 19:43.32 | dataw0lf | it's better than Java, too. |
| 19:43.34 | PoeticIntensity | just swallowing the whole "Microsoft Programming Language Only" crud makes me gag - a little. |
| 19:44.05 | tierra | which is also why I don't want to jump into Cocoa |
| 19:44.07 | tierra | heh |
| 19:44.21 | supernovia | Maybe it's like caviar and you'll get a taste for it. |
| 19:44.40 | PoeticIntensity | possibly.. |
| 19:44.57 | PoeticIntensity | Just gotta do it |
| 19:45.06 | supernovia | Expensive and repulsive and fishy as all get out, but hey, some people like it |
| 19:45.13 | PoeticIntensity | it'll probably take a bit for me to mentally make the jump, though. |
| 19:45.19 | utahcon | fish roe is best on sushi |
| 19:45.45 | PoeticIntensity | as soon as I convince myself mentally that I wanna do it, I'm sure it'll happen quickly.. |
| 19:45.48 | supernovia | I would say it's better on sushi than it is on black bread for sure, but I didn't like it anyway |
| 19:45.57 | PoeticIntensity | but man - I sure am fighting it. |
| 19:46.10 | supernovia | You gotta ask yourself what you're getting out of fighting it |
| 19:46.28 | PoeticIntensity | well yeah... Right now it's totally impulsive... |
| 19:46.35 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not getting anything out of fighting it. |
| 19:47.00 | PoeticIntensity | It's like being thrown into a culture you've grown to hate over the past 10 years, and then trying to convince yourself it's not that bad. |
| 19:47.04 | tierra | I know what PoeticIntensity is talking about, I do the same thing |
| 19:47.26 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 19:47.27 | SunSparc | What is the mysql option to limit the text returned on a field to a certain number of characters? |
| 19:47.30 | supernovia | Yeah I can identify with going against the grain |
| 19:47.43 | PoeticIntensity | right now it's just subconscious. |
| 19:47.49 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: you might want to at least inform yourself of other possibilities. |
| 19:47.50 | supernovia | mmmm, trying to remember .. |
| 19:48.09 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, yes.... |
| 19:48.16 | PoeticIntensity | that's why I'm not hopping all over the job offers right now. |
| 19:48.50 | PoeticIntensity | (which suprisingly enough, haven't seem to dwindle despite the economy - at least from the UPHPU job list) |
| 19:48.51 | supernovia | sunsparc I think it's just left() then however many characters you need or right... |
| 19:48.56 | supernovia | SunSparc rather |
| 19:49.03 | PoeticIntensity | sounds right, supernovia |
| 19:49.07 | supernovia | mysql> SELECT LEFT('foobarbar', 5); -> 'fooba' |
| 19:49.47 | PoeticIntensity | oh.... mgeary I re-read your statement, and yeah... Right now, I'm definitely standing on the fence, looking both directions. |
| 19:49.49 | supernovia | and you can do right too I am sure |
| 19:49.56 | PoeticIntensity | There are definitely other possibilities out there. |
| 19:50.06 | tierra | PHP/MySQL jobs are like the call centers of programming jobs... I think they statistically have a much higher turnover rate than any other programming job |
| 19:50.06 | PoeticIntensity | I just really want to make the right decision. |
| 19:50.07 | supernovia | Ambivalence sucks. |
| 19:50.09 | SunSparc | supernovia, PoeticIntensity: Yep, that worked. Thanks. |
| 19:50.13 | supernovia | Np :) |
| 19:50.48 | supernovia | Mind you I'm not saying YOU suck for being ambivalent. I just know the feeling of fence sitting is no fun |
| 19:51.48 | SunSparc | So true. Most fences are not very comfortable. |
| 19:52.54 | supernovia | my advice for getting off the fence: take the 'easiest' logistical choice and do everything you can do to make it work. If it doesn't work out after so long, you can't say you didn't try, and you've got a logical choice. |
| 19:54.50 | Lone_Wanderer | tierra: Indeed. The question is, how does one get experience in "higher level" programming, so we can get a job doing that instead? |
| 19:55.49 | SunSparc | Just lie. |
| 19:55.52 | tierra | well, I did it by doing a startup, but that's definitely the hard way |
| 19:55.53 | PoeticIntensity | well... in LAMP's defense.... |
| 19:56.15 | dataw0lf | "PHP/MySQL jobs are like the call centers of programming jobs" lulz |
| 19:56.26 | PoeticIntensity | a "good" LAMP (or LAPP) developer evidently, it not as easy as some might think |
| 19:56.27 | dataw0lf | without the good-looking women you occasionally run into at call centers. |
| 19:56.36 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 19:56.37 | orsonj | http://www.littleoaksshowjumps.co.uk/pictures/rustics/Chair%20Fence%20with%20Economy%20Wings.jpg <-- solution for fence sitters |
| 19:56.41 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: of course it's not easy, that's the whole point. |
| 19:56.43 | dataw0lf | It's _harder_. |
| 19:56.49 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, gotcha. |
| 19:57.21 | PoeticIntensity | man... I need food. |
| 19:57.32 | mgeary | me too |
| 19:57.37 | PoeticIntensity | and.... sorry for bringing up my professional difficulties here... |
| 19:57.41 | PoeticIntensity | again. |
| 19:57.47 | PoeticIntensity | it'll end eventually. |
| 19:57.52 | mgeary | ~lart PoeticIntensity |
| 19:57.52 | ibot | steals PoeticIntensity's mojo |
| 19:57.53 | PoeticIntensity | *BANG!* |
| 19:58.57 | Poets_Ghost | okay... who pulled the trigger? |
| 20:00.43 | PoeticIntensity | so what ya gonna eat, mgeary ? |
| 20:01.05 | mgeary | gonna heat me up some Stouffers, i'm thinking |
| 20:01.44 | utahcon | I seem to recall it's actually me cooking burgers... on the grill! |
| 20:03.11 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: I have never worked a call center job without at least one good looking female on my team. |
| 20:03.39 | orsonj | ok, this one is better: http://cubeme.com/blog/2008/10/28/playground-fence-by-tejo-remy/ |
| 20:04.40 | Lone_Wanderer | supernovia is female? |
| 20:04.40 | supernovia | neat orsonj |
| 20:04.44 | supernovia | I was rolling them at Lone_Wanderer |
| 20:04.45 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: I never have, I only assumed. |
| 20:05.05 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: yes, along with eco, orsonj and SunSparc |
| 20:05.07 | supernovia | novia |
| 20:05.23 | dataw0lf | tierra is female too. |
| 20:05.42 | supernovia | sorry novia = a feminine word |
| 20:06.08 | Lone_Wanderer | It's about a decade out of date, I'm afraid. |
| 20:06.09 | supernovia | I actually fell for that last time mgeary and dataw0lf |
| 20:06.17 | supernovia | but I know SunSparc isn't |
| 20:06.46 | supernovia | Tarnation. You guys have to tell me what this stuff's all about "SunSparc supernovia synic " |
| 20:06.57 | supernovia | "macnewbold mgeary mindjuju" |
| 20:06.58 | dataw0lf | tab completion? |
| 20:07.09 | supernovia | Ahhhhhh |
| 20:07.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, supernovia, what did I say that's eye-roll-worthy? |
| 20:07.57 | supernovia | OK. Getting used to Pidgin still. |
| 20:08.27 | supernovia | "I have never worked a call center job without at least one good looking female on my team." |
| 20:08.38 | supernovia | It just sounds funny to me. |
| 20:09.14 | supernovia | Not offended funny. Just.. funny |
| 20:09.36 | Lone_Wanderer | What about "I have never worked a call center job without at least one bearded male on my team."? |
| 20:09.37 | Lone_Wanderer | :p |
| 20:09.53 | supernovia | Yeah, exactly .. It's just sounded funny to me. |
| 20:10.24 | supernovia | it just sounded funny rather. |
| 20:10.25 | eco | WHO SAID MY NAME?! |
| 20:10.30 | supernovia | And worthy of an eye roll. |
| 20:10.31 | utahcon | wasn't me eco |
| 20:10.44 | SunSparc | eco: I did not do it. |
| 20:10.48 | dataw0lf | eco: go back to bed, honey. |
| 20:11.01 | orsonj | I have never worked a call center job without at least one klingon on my team. |
| 20:11.07 | PoeticIntensity | LOL @ dataw0lf |
| 20:11.07 | supernovia | Sweeeeet |
| 20:11.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I imagine that would be dangerous for the customers. |
| 20:12.04 | supernovia | hehe |
| 20:12.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I've had customers say things to me that would undoubtedly be considered a challenge, or a disgrace to my honor or ancestors or something. |
| 20:12.26 | PoeticIntensity | no! |
| 20:12.30 | orsonj | collegehumor or the like should do a skit of that |
| 20:12.31 | PoeticIntensity | not in the I.T. dept.... |
| 20:12.40 | PoeticIntensity | that NEVER happens. |
| 20:13.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I know, PI, it's shocking. |
| 20:13.40 | PoeticIntensity | that, and execs realizing the importance of I.T. |
| 20:13.41 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 20:14.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Blood sugar? |
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| 20:16.12 | mgeary | ~pester eco |
| 20:17.59 | dataw0lf | don't let the animal out the cage, man. |
| 20:18.14 | supernovia | my older lady friend just asked me if I wanted to go out for 'cold one' ... :-p |
| 20:18.49 | dataw0lf | what'd you do, throw a snowball at her? |
| 20:18.50 | dataw0lf | win 5 |
| 20:18.58 | supernovia | she means ice-cream :-p |
| 20:19.07 | dataw0lf | haha. wow. |
| 20:19.14 | supernovia | hehe |
| 20:19.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Not 'cold stone'? |
| 20:19.46 | supernovia | purple turtle :") |
| 20:19.49 | eco | Has PHP made a release with the new namespace operator? |
| 20:19.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Yum |
| 20:19.58 | Lone_Wanderer | PHP has namespaces now? |
| 20:20.32 | dataw0lf | crippled, eunuch'ed namespaces, like everything they slap onto it. |
| 20:21.04 | dataw0lf | maybe they'll add crippled, eunuch'ed named arguments next, eh, eh? |
| 20:21.19 | eco | Yeah, the backslash character. |
| 20:21.29 | eco | Oh wait...that must have been an april fools. |
| 20:21.52 | eco | Because using backslash for namespace separation is just absurd. |
| 20:23.41 | dataw0lf | eco: don't forget you can also call globals within the namespace body with a backslash too |
| 20:23.45 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 20:24.31 | fungus | eww |
| 20:24.38 | fungus | is that really an april fools joke? |
| 20:24.47 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: nope |
| 20:24.51 | dataw0lf | No. That's the actual PHP implementation. |
| 20:24.57 | eco | Must be. But for someone reason they didn't announce it on April 1st. |
| 20:24.58 | fungus | doh |
| 20:24.58 | eco | http://news.php.net/php.internals/41374/uq |
| 20:25.05 | DexterTheDragon | http://us.php.net/manual/en/language.namespaces.rationale.php |
| 20:25.16 | eco | They were WAY off. |
| 20:25.56 | dataw0lf | that's a rationale for namespaces, which any competent programmer should be able to reason out for themselves. They don't give a rationale for using the |
| 20:26.01 | dataw0lf | '\' operator. |
| 20:26.54 | fungus | What's wrong with a . |
| 20:26.56 | eco | They tried to: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator |
| 20:27.06 | fungus | or hell, even the ugly -> is better than a \ |
| 20:27.16 | DexterTheDragon | ah yes there the reason for the \ |
| 20:28.00 | DexterTheDragon | basically cause they didn't feel like parsing something like :: |
| 20:28.10 | Lone_Wanderer | They should have gone with the :) option |
| 20:28.14 | dataw0lf | Just like everything, they slap it on and forget about it with no backwards glances. |
| 20:28.33 | dataw0lf | PHP 6 will be a complete rewrite. I pray for you PHP programmers it will be, anyway. |
| 20:28.45 | DexterTheDragon | it won't |
| 20:28.58 | DexterTheDragon | php 6 will be php5.3 with unicode support |
| 20:29.04 | dataw0lf | haha. |
| 20:29.16 | dataw0lf | ... seriously? |
| 20:29.29 | DexterTheDragon | the only reason 5.3 exists is cause they decided to backport namespaces out of 6 to get a release sooner |
| 20:29.51 | fungus | php is becoming just as ugly and painful as perl is. |
| 20:30.20 | dataw0lf | DexterTheDragon: That's great, but backporting namespaces shouldn't just be adding it as an option. |
| 20:30.32 | dataw0lf | When you alter a language with a fundamental feature, like namespaces, or exceptions |
| 20:30.43 | dataw0lf | you're supposed to integrate it with your ugly-ass global library too. |
| 20:30.50 | dataw0lf | otherwise there's pretty much no point to the damn thing. |
| 20:31.04 | dataw0lf | I don't know who makes decisions about PHP but someone should shoot em with a shotgun. |
| 20:32.28 | dataw0lf | oh, I should edit my About page on my blog regarding my hate for PHP |
| 20:32.30 | Lone_Wanderer | So apparently I don't get to use svn on my server. |
| 20:32.36 | eco | So PHP had :: as a namespace operator and switched to \? |
| 20:32.37 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Congratulations! |
| 20:32.38 | eco | wat |
| 20:32.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Thanks!!! |
| 20:32.58 | Lone_Wanderer | This is Super Fantastic! |
| 20:33.40 | dataw0lf | No, seriously. Congratulations. Can you use git? |
| 20:33.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Not sure. |
| 20:34.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Why, what's wrong with SVN? |
| 20:34.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Other than that it depends on apr, and apr won't install 'cause all the mirrors time out. |
| 20:34.51 | dataw0lf | it's meta filesystem is gigantic, merging is like killing a baby, no local committing |
| 20:35.01 | dataw0lf | see: http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ |
| 20:35.18 | dataw0lf | Alright, that's my good deed for the day. Back to Django. |
| 20:36.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Will git check out svn repositories? |
| 20:36.14 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 20:36.16 | dataw0lf | yes it will |
| 20:36.24 | Lone_Wanderer | good |
| 20:36.33 | dataw0lf | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-svn.html |
| 20:39.33 | fungus | Is git an acronym, or is there a reason they picked that name. |
| 20:39.48 | DexterTheDragon | its a british slang term |
| 20:39.49 | fungus | I seem to keep prefixing it with "You stupid" in my head |
| 20:40.26 | fungus | Yes, I knew that, but it's a derogatory term. Why pick it? |
| 20:40.32 | dataw0lf | I dunno, ask Linus. |
| 20:40.38 | fungus | lol |
| 20:40.50 | DexterTheDragon | cause linus is funny like that |
| 20:43.25 | Lone_Wanderer | The git man says that git is "the stupid content tracker" |
| 20:43.30 | dataw0lf | I keep pretty much everything in git. |
| 20:43.47 | dataw0lf | I have a system_config git repo, a user_config git repo, whole bunch of stuff. |
| 20:44.10 | Lone_Wanderer | What do all those things mean? |
| 20:44.34 | dataw0lf | I mean, like, I have all the basic system stuff I'd do to any system I took over in system_config |
| 20:44.46 | dataw0lf | user_config has my irssi, vim, git configs, etc. |
| 20:45.11 | Lone_Wanderer | So when you hack someone's boxen you can just check out your repository and it works how you want it to? |
| 20:45.37 | orsonj | heh |
| 20:48.04 | dataw0lf | that's a different git repo |
| 20:49.08 | dataw0lf | I'm talking mostly SSH config, iptables rules, cron jobs for essential system scripts I've written, stuff that I need to put on 90% of Linux boxes I come across. |
| 20:49.29 | dataw0lf | Been meaning to compile a FreeBSD version but been too lazy. |
| 20:50.07 | orsonj | Someday I'd like to get a backup utility that takes advantage of packages (deb, rpm, etc.) as a source of backup data. |
| 20:50.46 | orsonj | That way, I can have a local mirror that is also half of my backup |
| 20:51.01 | orsonj | the other half would be an incremental update of the packages |
| 20:51.12 | Lone_Wanderer | So do I have to do a git init before I can check out the svn project/repo/whatever? |
| 20:51.14 | fungus | ~puppet++ |
| 20:51.49 | dataw0lf | fungus: Puppet++ indeed |
| 20:54.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Awww, the bionic hand people's response to my inquiry is kind of boring. |
| 20:55.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I wanted a bionic hand with an American flag on it, that is super-strong and durable, and that shoots flames if I make a fist and point it at someone. |
| 20:58.23 | dataw0lf | that brings new meaning to the phrase "terrorist fist jab" |
| 20:59.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I just want to be able to falcon punch people with my flaming, bionic steel fist. |
| 21:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | So far I am not excited about git. |
| 21:02.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm probably doing it wrong. |
| 21:12.48 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, you are cause you have the bm hunter mentality |
| 21:13.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I know! I'm so used to just clicking that one button |
| 21:13.06 | Lone_Wanderer | and winning at everything |
| 21:13.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Rogue? Bestial wrath. Paladin? Bestial wrath. Warlock? Wait until he starts to cast fear, THEN bestial wrath. |
| 21:14.20 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:14.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Few things fill me with glee more than watching a lock try to fear my pet |
| 21:14.59 | Lone_Wanderer | and clicking that big, red button |
| 21:15.15 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, git is pissing me off |
| 21:16.51 | mindjuju | dag! man has "hot pants" when his ipod nano decided to nuclear --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dezhXf5APVk |
| 21:16.52 | dataw0lf | that's what the Romans said about Jesus. |
| 21:17.02 | Lone_Wanderer | The documentation seems to be written with the assumption that you can check out from SVN without supplying a username or password. |
| 21:17.14 | Lone_Wanderer | It was the Jews who were getting pissed at him, the Romans didn't care either way. |
| 21:17.33 | Lone_Wanderer | They just happened to reserve the right to execute people, 'cause otherwise the Jews would be stoning people left and right. |
| 21:17.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Those crazy Jews, always stoning their neighbor. |
| 21:18.03 | SunSparc | Nowadays, people just stone themselves. |
| 21:18.12 | SunSparc | Legally in California. |
| 21:18.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Can you blame them? It's way more fun. |
| 21:18.24 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:18.40 | SunSparc | Perhaps fewer broken limbs. |
| 21:21.00 | SunSparc | When you think about it, stoning is amazingly barbaric. I cannot even imagine the inhumanity someone would need to have to pick up a rock, multiple times, and cast it forcefully at another human being. I guess it is similar to thugs and gangster shooting people these days. Hideous. |
| 21:21.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it's a pretty nasty way to go. |
| 21:21.39 | Lone_Wanderer | But you know, you get a bunch of religious zealots in a big mob |
| 21:22.02 | Lone_Wanderer | get them all whipped up into a frenzy because someone ate fish on the wrong day or whatnot |
| 21:22.03 | SunSparc | Yep, group think with a religious agenda. Nothing will stop that. |
| 21:23.41 | Lone_Wanderer | You can see the same sort of thing today in several places. |
| 21:24.17 | utahcon | mmm fish |
| 21:25.08 | SunSparc | Well, much of the world still has barbaric practices. |
| 21:25.21 | SunSparc | Including here in the US. |
| 21:25.24 | Lone_Wanderer | So, wait. |
| 21:25.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I meant religious fervor in large crowds. |
| 21:25.42 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:25.44 | SunSparc | Oh |
| 21:25.48 | SunSparc | Yes, that too. |
| 21:25.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I only use git to check out svn repos if I already have svn installed on the server? |
| 21:26.08 | SunSparc | You can use git to checkout svn repos? |
| 21:26.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently so, yeah. |
| 21:26.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Except when I try to do so I get this error message |
| 21:26.28 | SunSparc | Sweet! |
| 21:26.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Can't locate SVN/Core.pm in @INC (@INC contains: [directories] .) at /usr/bin/git-svn line 24. |
| 21:27.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Which, I've got to admit, isn't promising. |
| 21:28.27 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 21:28.27 | dataw0lf | http://www.simplisticcomplexity.com/2008/03/05/cleanly-migrate-your-subversion-repository-to-a-git-repository/ |
| 21:28.32 | dataw0lf | Follow, rinse, repeat. |
| 21:28.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not in charge of the respository. |
| 21:29.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I can only check stuff out of it. |
| 21:29.28 | DexterTheDragon | Lone_Wanderer: git would need to the svn perl bindings |
| 21:29.38 | DexterTheDragon | which if you can't install svn your kinda hosed there |
| 21:29.51 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I was afraid of :( |
| 21:31.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm attempting a recompile with an svn use flag on. |
| 21:32.49 | Lone_Wanderer | No dice. |
| 22:10.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Which one? |
| 22:10.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I found them both kind of amusing. |
| 22:10.49 | mgeary | "Avantar is one of the top 10 iPhone development companies" |
| 22:10.54 | mgeary | really? says who? |
| 22:11.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I just thought it was funny that they thought so little of their potential employees that they didn't bother filling out the entire form. |
| 22:11.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess we're not worth their time. |
| 22:18.14 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 22:18.26 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
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| 22:35.40 | Utah_Dave | Virginia is beautiful! |
| 22:35.47 | mgeary | true that |
| 22:35.54 | Lone_Wanderer | You're in Virginia? |
| 22:36.02 | Utah_Dave | They have trees like Utah has tumbleweeds |
| 22:36.04 | Lone_Wanderer | What part? |
| 22:36.22 | Utah_Dave | I'm in Lorton |
| 22:36.34 | DexterTheDragon | I loves me some tumbleweed |
| 22:36.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Visit Ft. Eustis. Drive around for a bit. |
| 22:36.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Tell me if being there makes you want to /writsts |
| 22:36.51 | Lone_Wanderer | wrists rather |
| 22:38.30 | mgeary | i've only ever been in the Charlottesville area, but even in February it was gorgeous |
| 22:45.58 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David@12.154.86.215) |
| 22:46.11 | mgeary | hey |
| 22:46.16 | mgeary | who can do me a quick favor? |
| 22:46.23 | mgeary | some DNS digging |
| 22:46.35 | mgeary | fungus...? |
| 22:51.33 | mindjuju | good ole jsmith |
| 22:51.58 | jsmith | mindjuju: Yes, master? |
| 22:52.13 | mindjuju | get me some popeye's chicken |
| 22:52.26 | jsmith | Aye aye... but I'm in Las Vegas today |
| 22:52.56 | mindjuju | las vegas has popeyes |
| 22:53.04 | mindjuju | send it UPS overnight in tinfoil |
| 22:53.20 | jsmith | They have Popeye's here? |
| 22:53.53 | jsmith | What I should really send you is some of the greek food I had last night... it was to die for |
| 22:54.11 | mindjuju | i love greek food |
| 22:54.15 | jsmith | (trust me, I just about died! I had to have a co-worker drive back to the hotel because I had seriously eaten too much to drive) |
| 22:54.18 | dataw0lf | Las Vegas has Popeyes? |
| 22:54.27 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Scary, isn't it? |
| 22:55.21 | dataw0lf | didn't know they had one |
| 22:55.31 | mindjuju | i thought they did |
| 22:56.03 | mindjuju | oh wow |
| 22:56.06 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 22:56.08 | mindjuju | there is like 10 |
| 22:56.19 | mindjuju | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=popeyes+Las+Vegas&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=63.512641,106.875&ie=UTF8&z=12 |
| 22:57.08 | mindjuju | i should drive down and get me some |
| 22:58.11 | herlo | mindjuju: let me know when you are going :) |
| 22:58.21 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 22:58.57 | mindjuju | i actually just need to get to Hill AFB |
| 22:59.09 | mindjuju | carmony says he checked it out and there REALLY is a popeyes on base |
| 22:59.24 | mindjuju | course he won't send it down |
| 22:59.27 | dataw0lf | yea. they had one for us in Germany. |
| 22:59.39 | mindjuju | maybe he should buy some just before the uphpu meet and drive it down |
| 22:59.44 | mindjuju | dat would be freakin' awesome |
| 23:00.27 | herlo | carmony: !!!!! |
| 23:00.29 | herlo | do it! |
| 23:01.37 | herlo | btw, Ogden is way closer than Vegas |
| 23:02.24 | mindjuju | true that, but we have to find a way on base |
| 23:02.58 | herlo | just tell 'em we want popeyes and we drove all the way from Utah County |
| 23:03.48 | herlo | and flirt |
| 23:04.15 | mindjuju | i should give that a try |
| 23:05.41 | herlo | ya |
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| 23:13.38 | herlo | mindjuju: way to beat me to it :) |
| 23:15.02 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:26.44 | carmony | herlo? |
| 23:26.58 | herlo | carmony: read up above my comment |
| 23:27.07 | carmony | popeyes? |
| 23:27.18 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:27.45 | mindjuju | popeyes |
| 23:28.12 | jsmith | mindjuju: You should drive to Las Vegas! |
| 23:28.24 | jsmith | mindjuju: (of course... I'm leaving in the morning) |
| 23:30.50 | herlo | jsmith: you are in vegas! and you didn't even say so |
| 23:31.47 | jsmith | herlo: I've been super-busy... and besides, you've been busy too! |
| 23:32.45 | herlo | yep it's true |
| 23:32.55 | herlo | but hey, I would have made time for one game of catan :) |
| 23:33.04 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, settlers of catan |
| 23:33.24 | herlo | we're going to have a game room at UTOSC :) |
| 23:33.35 | herlo | it'll be jsmith's hotel room, but still |
| 23:34.07 | Lone_Wanderer | :) |
| 23:39.00 | jsmith | herlo: Whatever works... |
| 23:39.16 | jsmith | herlo: You could be here by midnight, if you hop in the car now! |
| 23:39.53 | herlo | lol, not happening now |
| 23:40.02 | herlo | have a meeting in 1.3 hours |
| 23:40.03 | jsmith | :-p |
| 23:40.49 | fungus | Curious... If you work for the LDS church, would you get fired for sinning, or is the temple recommend requirement more like drug testing, check once, and forget all about it. |
| 23:41.19 | herlo | I think they check it once a year or something and work with you if you don't have one |
| 23:42.49 | Lone_Wanderer | You can pretty much be fired at any time for any reason |
| 23:43.05 | Lone_Wanderer | there's a professor at BYU who made a mistake with his tithing and paid too much |
| 23:43.11 | fungus | Yeah, but can they legally fire you if you, for example, cheat on your wife, have a threesome, ... |
| 23:43.26 | Lone_Wanderer | so to fix it he stopped paying tithing for a while |
| 23:43.31 | jsmith | How does that differ from any job in an at-will state? |
| 23:43.33 | Lone_Wanderer | and his bishop noticed he stopped |
| 23:43.34 | fungus | or converting to islam? |
| 23:43.49 | Lone_Wanderer | so his bishop went to BYU and told them, and he got fired |
| 23:44.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, it doesn't really differ at all. |
| 23:44.10 | Lone_Wanderer | But it's still seems kind of wrong. |
| 23:44.19 | fungus | Yeah, it does. |
| 23:44.43 | Lone_Wanderer | it still* |
| 23:44.54 | fungus | There are still anti-discrimination laws that apply in an "at-will" state |
| 23:45.10 | Lone_Wanderer | They don't apply to the church, though |
| 23:45.21 | Lone_Wanderer | at least as far as their requiring people to be LDS and hold a temple recommend |
| 23:45.32 | fungus | In the position of them being an Employer, they have to |
| 23:45.47 | fungus | hrm, interesting. |
| 23:45.54 | Lone_Wanderer | They have to what? |
| 23:46.25 | fungus | I don't know, just talking out my ass. |
| 23:46.34 | Lone_Wanderer | and then only hires people who are a member of his religion |
| 23:47.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Loophole HO! |
| 23:47.44 | fungus | How boring, only hiring white people? |
| 23:48.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't want any dirty mexicans or Dutch in MY company! |
| 23:48.57 | mindjuju | my parents are both from mexico |
| 23:49.13 | fungus | Which is why he couldn't hire you. |
| 23:49.27 | fungus | See, Lone_Wanderer, you'd missing out on some prime talent in mindjuju |
| 23:50.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, in this hypothetical scenario, I'm a racist bigot, so I don't care. |
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| 23:50.28 | fungus | understood, but that isn't very good for business, now is it? |
| 23:50.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I think the hypothetical bigot thinks that it is, or he wouldn't be doing it. |
| 23:51.25 | fungus | Yeah, there sure are a lot of them too. :( |
| 23:52.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe not in Utah |
| 23:52.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm just pointing out that allowing religions to hire only members of their own religion is stupid. |
| 23:53.34 | mindjuju | but not unexpected |
| 23:54.06 | Lone_Wanderer | No, not unexpected. |
| 23:54.19 | mindjuju | I wouldn't expect the Church of Christ to hire an Evangelical preacher as an administrative assistant |
| 23:54.41 | mindjuju | nothing against Evangelical, but the difference in philosophy would impact |
| 23:55.43 | fungus | Understood, but when your employment is dependent on your standing in said church, that is scary. |
| 23:56.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that's a bit different. |
| 23:56.28 | fungus | Sorry guys, I can't go to the bar with you on saturday. I gotta keep my job |
| 23:57.04 | Lone_Wanderer | There is a certain McCarthy-like air to church employment. |
| 23:57.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Which makes sense, since a lot of the policies were inspired by McCarthy. |
| 23:57.49 | mindjuju | so, just out of curiosity, would you work for the church if there was a position open and it didn't require a recommend? |
| 23:58.04 | mindjuju | or would you have issues with some of their stances? |
| 23:58.08 | Lone_Wanderer | If I were qualified, I'd probably apply. |
| 23:58.14 | mindjuju | not what i'm saying |
| 23:58.20 | mindjuju | is that a company you'd work for if you could |
| 23:58.54 | Lone_Wanderer | If they weren't going to have my co-workers reporting on my outside of work behavior, yeah. |
| 23:58.55 | fungus | Depends on my issues. |
| 23:59.12 | fungus | If I just didn't believe their religion, then yes I would apply. |
| 23:59.34 | fungus | If I thought they were evil, then no. |
| 23:59.48 | mindjuju | see, i guess my point is this |
