IRC log for #uphpu on 20090401

01:38.44Dezertolok.. officially... whoever it was... datawOlf or unum or whoever it was.. that pointed me to linode.. I just want to say Thanks
01:39.00Dezertolthat thing is freaking awsome
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02:26.12eggyknapunum: still around?
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02:31.10eggyknapunum: what you pasted looks exactly correct. If it's somewhat confusing, you might try running SELECT a, y, z FROM people.a LEFT JOIN people.b ON (a.a_id = b.a_id).
02:31.38eggyknapNote: without sums or group bys.
02:49.20unumeggyknap: I will do that thanks
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03:10.53jsmithMmmmmn.... sushi.
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03:21.50eggyknapunum: yw
03:37.20wpsI couldn't agree more
03:42.23jsmithwps: I have to say... some of the finest meals I've ever had have been raw (or less cooked than you'd prefer)
03:42.35wpsyuck :)
03:42.37jsmithwps: rare tuna, sushi, steak tartar... all delicious!
03:42.50jsmithAfter all... one man's feast is another man's bait.
03:42.59wpsI'll take the teriyaki bowl
03:43.15wpsand the potstickers
03:43.33jsmithThose are delicious as well...
03:43.42DexterTheDragoncarmony: ping
03:43.57jsmithwps: ... but a little yellowtail tuna on the side is the icing on the cake :-p
03:53.11Dezertolwow.. I'm tired.. I just read that as you put cake icing on your yellowtail tuna
03:53.17Dezertollol had to re-read it
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03:56.49Utah_Davehey jsmith
04:04.32herlowps: have you tried it? If not, you can't say that :)
04:09.40Utah_Davei should be sleeping too
04:11.30herloUtah_Dave: sleep!
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04:25.05dataw0lfherlo: what, you quoting a Pink Floyd song, or what?
04:25.21herlodataw0lf: Money!
04:25.47dataw0lfherlo: haha.
04:27.01herlo:)
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14:32.38orsonjworks here
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14:43.01carmonyWow, these last 5 days have sucked really bad
14:44.14macnewboldsorry to hear that
14:44.20macnewboldI thought it was just me dealing with that
14:44.47carmonyits what happens when the decision makers put off moving to new hardware until 1000s of people are hitting your site
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15:07.37carmonywhats a good way I can monitor HTTP activity on a server in real time?
15:12.15mgearyonly http? how do you want to monitor?
15:12.20mgearytail -f access_log...?
15:12.24mgearytcpdump?
15:24.44mgearycarmony: ...?
15:25.23unumeggyknap: I guess I expected the group by to work differently in this case
15:25.38unumcan you tell me the best way to get it to do what I want?
15:25.51eggyknapunum: I'm not sure what you want it to do :)
15:27.11unumI want the sum of z - y group by x
15:27.44macnewboldcarmony: what level of monitoring are you wanting? connections/requests, or all the data going through?
15:27.48unumI know a way to do it
15:27.55unumI'm just not sure it's the most effecient
15:28.11macnewboldone of the tools in the dsniff package will easily grab URLs etc for you, and I think maybe whole web pages, and load them into your browser
15:28.20eggyknapunum: I guess that means z - (y group by x) ?
15:28.38unumwell z should also be grouped by x
15:28.52eggyknapThen that's what you're getting, already
15:28.58macnewboldso sum (z-y) group by x?
15:29.09macnewboldor sum (z) - sum (y) group by x?
15:29.38unumsum(z) group by x - sum(y) group by x
15:30.16eggyknapUm, sum(z) - sum(y) == sum(z-y)
15:30.19eggyknapJust FWIW
15:30.34eggyknapunum: I still contend that that's what you're getting
15:30.35unumlet me write the sql that works
15:31.10eggyknapunum: I still contend that that's what you're getting
15:31.19eggyknapsry.. wrong button
15:31.27mgeary~repeat eggyknap
15:40.18unumhttp://pastie.org/433893
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15:40.28unumhttp://pastie.org/433158 <- old one
15:46.41carmonymacnewbold: all the connections through it
15:46.47carmonyI'm trying to gage the load on it
15:46.57macnewboldtrafshow is a good one I've used
15:47.09macnewboldbut the tail -f access.log makes sense too
15:47.31macnewboldaccess log is easy to gauge #requests,
15:47.42macnewboldtrafshow will do it by bytes transferred
15:47.51macnewbolddepending on what interests you more
15:48.04macnewboldanother way is to watch cpu load and memory consumption
15:48.24macnewbold(don't forget to include db cpu/memory in your totals if you go that route - looking at httpd alone isn't a great picture)
15:50.36carmonylol, tail -f to the access log makes me feel like I'm watching the matrix
15:50.38carmonyits just flying by
15:51.21carmonyand thats at 9 amn
15:51.22carmonyam
15:51.28carmonyour least busy time of the day
15:51.40carmonymacnewbold, where do you get trafshow?
15:52.28Lone_Sleepingcarmony: what's the site?
15:52.52carmonywww.datingdna.com
15:53.14carmonyour webserver when it gets peek times chews up 4 GB of RAM and 4GB of swap
15:53.16carmonyall HTTPD
15:53.25Lone_Sleepingahh
15:53.33Lone_Sleepingholy crap
15:54.16mgearycarmony: what does google analytics say about your visitors/month?
15:55.47carmonyunfortunately we don't have google analytics :(
15:56.11carmonyBut its spiked imensely over the last 5 days
15:56.19Lone_SleepingI didn't know that google analytics was something you had to have
15:56.33SunSparcSweet, everything on YouTube is upside down.
15:57.01carmonywe were down for half a day, and we smashed our daily traffic amount by almost 3 times
15:57.15carmonyso its insane all of sudden all the damn traffic we're getting ;)
16:07.30mgeary~botstorm carmony
16:10.48eggyknapunum: I can't spend the time trying to translate your query right now, but FWIW, it doesn't look terrible, offhand. I can't figure out what you're really trying to do, but that's largely because I've gotta be doing $day_job right now :)
16:15.23josephscottcarmony: are you using any for traffic analysis (since you mentioned no google analytics on the site)?
16:18.26carmonysome server side stuff, but because the "templating"
16:18.44carmony<PROTECTED>
16:20.21carmonyI dunno, averaging 3-4 hours of sleep for the last 5 days and struggling to get the site running smooth again is just making super irritated :P
16:21.46SunSparcWhat DNS services do you use?  (open question for anyone)
16:23.50jsmithSunSparc: EveryDNS and OpenDNS
16:24.33SunSparcjsmith, ok, I will look at those.  I have also heard people talk about ZoneEdit and DynDNS.
16:25.15josephscottcarmony: a little perl edit in place action might help there
16:29.12fungusEveryDNS and Xname
16:29.43fungusJust for secondary services though, I run my own master DNS server
16:30.44SunSparcfungus: I run my own also.  I use TinyDNS.  Love it.  However, I host DNS for other people and am wanting to allow them to manage their own zones.  So I am looking at my options.
16:31.07SunSparcLooking for third-party DNS hosting.
16:31.10DexterTheDragoncarmony: ping
16:31.32fungusHrm, no experience with either on the user interface end.  With slaves it's a set it an forget it.
16:31.57SunSparcI am not sure I trust "Free DNS Hosting".  Never know how they are funded and when they will drop off the earth.
16:32.31fungusWhich is why I use 2 different services.
16:32.44fungusI don't care if one drops off the earth.
16:33.01SunSparcGood idea.  Which of those 2 do you currently prefer?
16:33.24fungusEveryDNS is better
16:33.41SunSparcI think they have been around quite a while also.
16:33.55fungusBut  a while back EveryDNS was the popular target of DoS attacks which caused lots of problems.
16:34.09SunSparcNice
16:36.02SunSparcOh, nice, EveryDNS runs TinyDNS also.  Sweet.
16:36.39utahconfungus: why do you run your own DNS?
16:36.45utahconfungus: @ home or work?
16:37.07fungusheh, both actually.
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16:37.54fungusI'm  very comfortable with Bind
16:38.09itimbersup guys
16:38.20itimberalmost lunchtime, right?
16:38.22itimberLOL
16:38.29SunSparc~welcome thebigdog and itimber
16:38.44itimberTY SunSparc
16:38.50thebigdogitimber, you slacker
16:39.00itimberfo sho
16:39.13itimbersounds like you just strolled in as well
16:39.32SunSparcitimber: yep, seconds before you.
16:39.46itimberLOL
16:42.20thebigdoghey i was actually working though
16:42.35SunSparcHmm, EveryDNS seems to be having issues.  Any they don't seem to support custom named DNS server addresses.
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16:48.37thebigdogSunSparc, what are you trying to do
16:49.55SunSparcthebigdog: Two things.  I host DNS for other people and am wanting to allow them to manage their own zones.  So I am looking at my options.  I am also looking for third-party DNS hosting options.
16:51.09thebigdogso you want a 3rd party to provide custom dns nameserver options?
16:52.29SunSparcYes, that is one feature I am looking for.  Where ever I host the dns, I still want to use the custom nameserver domain names I currently use.
16:55.49unumeggyknap: well thanks for all your help so far
16:55.58unummay be thebigdog can help me....
16:56.09unumthebigdog: you're pretty good with postgres aren't you
16:56.19thebigdogyeah
16:56.45thebigdogSunSparc, that kind of feature you might have to pay for...i don't think there are many free 3rd party services that provide that
16:57.00unumhttp://pastie.org/433158 <- is an example of the set up
16:57.03mgearyalright, well i'm fed up.
16:57.11SunSparcThat is fine.  I don't mind paying for a good quality service with all the features I want.
16:57.11unumhttp://pastie.org/433893
16:57.16thebigdogunum what are you trying to do
16:57.20unum<PROTECTED>
16:57.45mgearyI've given V-Chocloates 3 chances to take me off their marketing email list. I've contacted every address i can find for them
16:58.01mgearyi've told them what the consequences would be if they sent me more unsolicited email
16:58.07mgearytime to put the hurt on
16:58.10thebigdogmgeary, that is what happens when you deal with p0rn sItes
16:58.16mgearyhahaah
16:58.32mgearyproblem is, V-chocolates makes good products, and they're a local company
16:58.46mgearybut if they can't respect email marketing guidelines, they need to learn
16:59.04unumI want so in the second query I get the results I am trying to get
16:59.05DexterTheDragontime for a ddos
16:59.24mgearyDexterTheDragon: nah, just some emails to their ISP. Some abuse reports, etc
16:59.37thebigdogunum not sure i understand?
16:59.38DexterTheDragonthats less fun
16:59.41unumI think the result explain what I am trying to do better than I can explain it in english
16:59.46mgearyDexterTheDragon: but more legal
16:59.54DexterTheDragonpffft :)
17:00.36thebigdogunum, what is wrong with the results of the query?
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17:01.49unumthebigdog: is the second link I get the result I want, I'm just not sure that's the most effecient way of doing it
17:02.19unumit seems like there should be a better way to do it
17:04.40thebigdogyou could do a function...but i am not sure what type of "better way" you are looking for?
17:05.19thebigdogi guess i am not sure what you are expecting from the query and what you expect the better way to be
17:05.33thebigdogdoes the query take a long time to run
17:06.15unumno it doesn't take a long time to run.  it's just I'm joining to the same table twice and that  doesn't seem right
17:07.15unumand I'm afraid as my query gets more complex it will take a long time
17:14.04macnewboldcarmony: I grabbed trafshow from freebsd ports collection, but I'm sure there are other places to get it
17:14.32macnewboldif I were you, I'd put google analytics in as soon as you can. it's free after all, and is an incredibly helpful tool
17:14.52unumthebigdog: I want to group tables a and b by the x value and subtract column y from column z
17:15.21unumand the second query give me the exact outputs I want, but it just seems like there should be a cleaner query to do that
17:15.36thebigdogunum that is pretty straight forward and seems to be fine
17:15.47thebigdoggoing on a table more than once is ok
17:16.01orsonjI have to keep reminding myself not to spend much time on the web today. Too much weird stuff.
17:16.14thebigdogwhat i would look at is the query plan and see if there is anything that might need fixed...for example if you need an additional index on a column
17:20.02unumthebigdog: thanks
17:20.16unumorsonj: agreed
17:20.43unumit's really doing so much advance sql where I've never had anyone to learn from
17:35.23unumso in case anyone cares the real case scenario where I'm doing this is a time card.  people clock in and then sign into projects.  they then sign out of projects and eventually clock out
17:35.42unumso I need to calculate the time that they were clocked in and not signed into a project
17:37.26beandoghttp://www.homestarrunner.com/
17:37.28beandoglmao
17:38.40utahcon~lart pregnancy tests
17:38.40ibotsqueezes pregnancy tests till pregnancy tests turns blue like papa smurf
17:39.08DexterTheDragonnow does the blue mean positive or negative.....
17:39.55utahconpositive... :(
17:40.07mgearythat's a bad thing?
17:40.30utahconI have a 9 weeker... don't need another in 9 months
17:40.36mgearyholy cow
17:40.40utahcons/need/want
17:40.46utahcons/need/want/
17:40.51mgearyhahah
17:40.52utahconugh
17:41.08carmonylol, sounds like my friends
17:42.02utahconcrazy part is today is the day the birth control is supposed to start working :(
17:42.31utahconMY WIFE SUCKS!!!
17:42.37mgearywell, that's going to make for a challenging next ~4 years for ya, buddy
17:42.46mgearybut those kids are going to be best friends growing up
17:43.18_psychic_blame it on your wife - good plan lol
17:43.23mgearyheh
17:43.33mgearyyeah, i'm sure it was all her fault
17:43.46_psychic_though I don't believe many wild stories today
17:44.37_psychic_my office joke already went down
17:44.44_psychic_it's all in good fun
17:44.53mgearywhat was it, _psychic_ ?
17:45.06utahconwe didn't do an office joke today... we launched software last night so we all decided nothing to rattle the nerves.
17:45.12utahconapparently the wives didn't get the memo
17:45.18_psychic_mgeary: http://twitter.com/raisinbread/statuses/1432574289
17:46.06fungustwitter is blocked too.
17:46.08fungus?
17:46.11mgearyponies!!
17:46.34_psychic_where do you work?
17:46.42carmonyhell
17:46.44carmony;)
17:46.55_psychic_like he said...
17:47.05_psychic_seriously though
17:47.17utahconSOS Staffing Inc.
17:48.28utahconI'm the jerk responsible for such hits as sosstaffing.com, sostechnical.com and all the fun apps included, like sosstaffing.com/onlineapp , sosstaffing.com/SOSLogin , sosstaffing.com/ekhire , plus thousands of internal one off apps that no one ever uses.
17:48.44mgeary~jerk utahcon
17:49.20fungusI'm the evil master of the network, firewall and servers.
17:50.10beandoghttp://www.saveie6.com/index.php
17:50.11utahconI swear I won't abuse it... much
17:50.43_psychic_beandog: try the download process...
17:51.18beandoglol
17:52.41mindjuju~apb beandog
17:53.00beandogwhot
17:53.08mindjujuyou PMd me yesterday
17:53.14mindjujuwhere is jbot, did he get laid off?
17:53.41DexterTheDragonmindjuju: yeah we had to let him go
17:53.46DexterTheDragonbudget cuts
17:53.55mindjujudude, we just went through wave 3
17:54.52mindjujufortunately, you can't run the company without the director of IT and I
17:55.03mindjujuhe runs his systems and I run mine, we don't overlap that much
17:56.11utahconsadly we have three web developers... I am not the head dev, nor do I think I am the lowest paid... thus I am on the chopping block.
17:56.42utahcon!lart mod_rewrite
17:56.49utahcon~lart mod_rewrite
17:56.49ibotchanges mod_rewrite's permissions to 0777 and tells the world
17:56.50beandogutahcon, just have more kids
17:57.07utahconbeandog: I fail to see how that would resolve my position...
17:57.12mindjujui've got to say, i've had a real attitude adjustment, this morning when I met with the owner and he presented his ideas for new projects, I wasn't so argumentative,
17:57.16beandogthey wouldnt lay off someone with a big family
17:57.36utahconbeandog: our first layoff had two kids under 2 ;)
17:57.45beandogyah see
17:57.48mindjujuyipes!  utahcon
17:57.50beandoggotta have at least 8
17:57.51utahconyeah
17:57.57utahconhe was a really slow developer though
17:58.01utahcongood man though
17:58.37utahconargh I am just fed up with mod_rewrite... anyone got a cheat sheet for redirecting subdomains?
17:59.16mindjujui saw one on digg a while back, i'll see if i can find it
17:59.56mgearyutahcon: how? what do you mean?
18:00.07DexterTheDragonutahcon: http://www.addedbytes.com/cheat-sheets/download/mod_rewrite-cheat-sheet-v2.pdf
18:00.25utahconDexterTheDragon: thanks I actually just jumped there seconds before you posted
18:00.38utahconI want to send sub.domain.net to index.php?id=sub
18:00.56mgearydo you have a vhost for sub.domain.net?
18:01.03mindjujuutahcon --> http://www.addedbytes.com/apache/mod_rewrite-cheat-sheet/
18:01.04mgearymight make things simpler
18:01.09mgearydo you want to proxy or redirect?
18:01.17mgearyah, redirect, right?
18:01.22utahconmy vhost is setup to ServerAlias *thebmg.net
18:01.26DexterTheDragonmindjuju loses
18:01.31utahconthebmg.net being my domain.net :D
18:01.45mindjuju@dexterthedragon - loses?
18:01.46mgearyso why not just set up a virtualhost for sub.domain.net and have a redirect on / to the other site?
18:01.57mindjujuoh, didn't see your link
18:02.10utahconI don't want to have to come back and keep adding subdomains
18:02.31utahconso sub1.domain.net would go to index.php/?id=sub1 as well
18:02.38utahcondynamic subdomain redirects :D
18:02.50utahconI though WP did it, but I can'
18:02.54utahcont make head of tails of it
18:04.04utahconIf I do something like:
18:04.04utahconRewriteRule (.*) index.php/id=$1
18:04.04utahconI get:
18:04.04utahconindex.php/id=index.php
18:14.04fungusutahcon: you need a RewriteCond to extract the hostname, then use that in the substitution
18:15.27utahconright I found that
18:15.34utahconnow I am stuck in an endless loop :D
18:15.52fungususe %1 to get the backreference from the condition
18:17.00utahconHow can I tell it to not redict www?
18:17.13utahcons/redict/redirect/
18:17.21fungusHave another condition to negate that match
18:17.30fungusRewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !www.domain.com$ [NC]
18:17.56utahconawesome!
18:17.58utahconthanks
18:18.21fungusnp
18:27.20herlolol
18:27.51beandog:D
18:27.54beandoggood ones yet to come.
18:28.24beandoghttp://wonkabar.org/
18:28.31beandog~shameless plug
18:30.09beandogno
18:30.13beandogbut I really do have all those other ones.
18:30.20beandogminus the Game Gear.  I have no idea where that disappeared to.
18:30.22utahconI have all those but the ps3
18:30.27utahconhaven't found a reason yet
18:30.59herloTheme, Venue and Dates for Utah Open Source Conference 2009 have been set.  Watch http://utos.org for the official announcement.
18:31.18utahconherlo: don't tease us... come on...
18:31.23utahcontell us now
18:31.24utahconor post it now
18:31.25herloutahcon: no
18:31.34herloutahcon: but it'll be up very soon
18:31.37utahcon~lart herlo's secret keeping butt
18:31.37ibotfarts in herlo's secret keeping butt's general direction
18:31.40herloI have to write it first :)
18:31.52herloutahcon: if you were in #utos, you could among the first to know.  
18:31.52utahconherlo is a tease
18:32.02herlolol
18:32.13beandogutahcon, the next two are better
18:32.29utahconbeandog: next two?
18:32.34utahconconsoles or posts?
18:32.35beandogposts
18:32.44herloI bet http://twitter.com/utos and http://identi.ca/utos are getting many followers today :)
18:33.11utahconlove the tron record
18:34.27utahconbeandog: you are a sick and twisted sort of kid :D
18:34.33utahconwelcome to the fold
18:34.36beandoghee hee
18:35.25utahconfound it
18:35.35utahcons/form/from/
18:35.39utahconno... lunch!
18:35.58herlobeandog: you can just read http://planet.utos.org and get feeds from both utos.org and wankabar.org
18:36.04herloooh, lunch?
18:36.17beandogherlo, you back yet?
18:36.30herlofrom SoCal? Yep!
18:36.35herlolanded yesterday morning
18:37.01herloI'm hungry now beandog, where ya gonna buy food for me?
18:38.01herlobeandog: !!
18:38.13beandogherlo, wanna do la frontera again? :D
18:38.18herlouh, okay
18:38.21herloright now?
18:38.24beandogsure
18:38.45herlok, leaving to go.  If anyone else would like to join us at 1200 W 400 S, hurry on down :)
18:38.55beandogyah
18:38.58beandogand Im only paying for herlo
18:38.59beandog:D
18:53.32herlolol
18:53.38herloI'm here
20:11.37beandoghee hee
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20:17.27beandoghey herlo how often is  your planet updated
20:32.51herlo30mins
20:32.55utahconugh
20:32.58herlobeandog: 30mins
20:33.00utahconoh nm
20:33.37utahconwhen you have RewriteCond (say four of them) they all pass down to the RewriteRules below right?
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20:37.50beandoghttp://www.neatorama.com/2009/04/01/turtle-one-pigeon-zero/
20:42.09utahconwow
20:42.15utahconwho'd a thunk
20:43.54Lone_Wandererbeandog: that's awesome
20:44.09beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4TU_R7J3c
20:44.12beandogthat one is even more freaky
20:44.28Lone_WandererI saw a picture once of polar bears covered in blood with a seal carcass between them
20:44.36Lone_WandererI showed it to my family.  For some reason they were disturbed.
20:45.57Lone_Wanderer"Kind of terrible."  Yeah, how awful of the pelican to want to stay alive.
20:46.27beandogheh
20:46.57Lone_WandererHere's one of a fish eating a duck
20:46.58Lone_Wandererhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp9BSW38bXg&feature=related
20:47.07Lone_WandererYou can't see it that well.
20:47.20beandogIm not sure I can take much more of these
20:47.22beandogLOLs
20:47.27beandog~Lone_Wanderer++
20:48.52orsonjI'm just glad I've got my headphones plugged in my mp3 player and not the computer
20:53.02beandoghttp://www.wimp.com/bunnysong
20:53.29beandognom nom nom
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21:03.38Lone_WandererCan ImageMagick convert jpgs to tiffs?
21:04.03orsonjprobably
21:04.08Lone_Wandererkk
21:04.09bigdog_utyeah i think so
21:04.20Lone_Wanderer'cause the ocr stuff I'm looking at only accepts tiffs
21:04.21bigdog_utmgeary Lone_Wanderer said kk
21:04.31bigdog_utcuase he is a bm hunter
21:04.41Lone_WandererWhat's wrong with saying kk?
21:04.51Lone_WandererAlso BM hunters rock and are better than everyone else everywhere the end.
21:04.53bigdog_utmgeary, loves it
21:05.05orsonjyep, "convert image.jpg image.tif"
21:05.19Lone_WandererWell, they were.  I haven't played since they got the nerf stick.
21:11.20beandoghttp://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi
21:13.28Lone_WandererHow did you get to that page?
21:15.16beandoggoogle.com
21:15.18beandogclick on Images
21:17.06Lone_Wandererahh, ok
21:17.59DexterTheDragonhttp://cadiesingularity.blogspot.com/
21:18.49DexterTheDragonpoke the panda and win a free google search ....awesome
21:22.06mgeary~kk
21:22.06iboti heard kk is mgeary's favorite saying, or for thebigdog's benefit
21:25.01thebigdogi think cadie needs to be taken outside for a long long walk
21:25.15herlodon't do it! It's a trap!
21:26.50Lone_WandererA long walk, past several large and powerful magnets.
21:27.16itimberI'm out.... later guys
21:50.57thebigdogmgeary, check your im kk
21:52.53beandogDexterTheDragon, lol awesome
21:53.18beandogthe great part is that's how every website used to look
22:06.50mindjujuanybody need any 17" CRTs?
22:07.04beandogmmm
22:07.07beandogno
22:07.46beandogI'm good
22:07.50mindjujui don't got no lcd
22:07.52jsmithmindjuju: I'll take one... if it's free!
22:08.00mindjujuyup, free
22:08.06mindjujubut for you, there is a shipping fee
22:08.07beandogI could use one, but I dont need one.
22:08.11jsmithmindjuju: The shipping would make it impractical
22:08.37mindjujuyeah, true that unless it was USPS Pack Mule rate
22:08.42mindjujui think that's pretty reasonable
22:08.45beandogooh, mame.
22:12.20utahcon~lart mod_rewrite
22:12.20ibotoverclocks mod_rewrite until mod_rewrite burns out
22:12.30beandogare you *still* working on that??
22:12.44utahconok I have two rewrites
22:12.46utahconyes
22:12.53beandogutahcon, what, exactly, are you trying to do?
22:13.02utahconmiracles apparently
22:13.11utahconlet me pastebin and I will try to explaoin
22:13.45beandogk
22:14.07utahconFirst problem: http://pastebin.com/d14644c46
22:14.24utahconI am trying to redirect anything without a subdomain to www
22:14.31beandogk
22:14.37beandogthat's easy  enough.
22:14.41utahconright.
22:15.14beandogRewriteCond     %{HTTP_HOST}    ^thebmg.net                             [NC]
22:15.16beandogmissing a \
22:15.31beandog\.net
22:15.35utahconthe second should take anything that is NOT www and has wp-admin to the same subdomain.thebmg.net/blogs/wp-admin
22:15.40utahconwhich works partly
22:16.10utahconif you do thebmg.net/wp-admin I would expect it to then get caught without a www and get redirected to www.thebmg.net/blogs/wp-admi
22:16.12utahconn
22:16.41beandogno, that would be a redirect
22:16.43beandogI think
22:17.06utahconright, wouldn't that get caught by the first rule on the second attempt?
22:17.41utahconoh
22:17.43utahconwait a minute!
22:17.50beandogdunno
22:18.00beandoghttp://www.thesitewizard.com/apache/redirect-domain-www-subdomain.shtml
22:18.06utahconsee
22:18.20utahconthe [L] was blocking the wp-admin from doing the www part and then the rest.
22:18.54utahconexcept...
22:18.55utahconargh
22:18.57utahconand now I have to run
22:18.59herlo[R=301] :)
22:19.02beandogok
22:19.03utahconok I will try this all again laters :D
22:19.06utahconthanks anyways
22:31.25beandogwow, nice
22:31.27beandogmysql's date_add
22:33.05josephscottbeandog: yep, being able to do interval ops on dates is cool.  Missed that when I was no longer using postgresql
22:33.46josephscotthttp://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/functions-datetime.html
22:33.51unumwow really good think we went with postgres then....
22:33.59unumI didn't know you couldn't do that in mysql
22:34.08josephscottit's only in 5.1 and up
22:34.32josephscottoh, not true
22:34.52josephscottnot sure when that went into mysql.  Just remember postgres having a lot more features in that area
22:35.44carmonyWhy is it that virtual host companies exaturate(sp?) their capabilities so bad?
22:35.49josephscottcarmony: still getting crushed with traffic?
22:35.56carmonyyes\
22:36.08mgearyexaggerate?
22:36.16carmonyyeah :P
22:36.18mgeary:D
22:36.35josephscottaren't you hosting at layeredtech?
22:37.00beandogDexterTheDragon, heh
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22:40.23carmonynot DDNA
22:40.25carmonythats CEVO
22:40.28carmonywhich I love
22:40.30wpsherlo: I have tried sushi
22:40.30wpsyuck
22:40.33carmonyDDNA was at GoDaddy
22:40.33wps:)
22:40.37carmonyThen to SliceHost
22:40.42carmonyand now we're finally moving to Layered Tech
22:41.02wpsGoDaddy is a DNS pornstar
22:41.05herlowps: not enough for sure, try the fried sushi, you'll love it
22:41.26herloand the vegas roll, mmmmm
22:41.29wpsI thought the point of sushi was it not being cooked
22:41.29herlosushi!!
22:41.34wpshow can you fry sushi?
22:41.35herlowps: that's sashimi
22:41.43herloyou are getting your terms mixed up
22:41.54wpsah
22:41.56herlothere's nigiri sashimi
22:42.16wpslike vegetarian vs. vegan? :)
22:42.16herloraw meat with rice
22:42.21herloand then just sashimi
22:42.26jsmithsushi just means "vinegared rice"
22:42.27herlowps: something like that
22:42.35herlo:)
22:46.43mgearywhen the CJs nail a song, it's a beautiful thing
22:46.53Lone_WandererI like Sweet Jane.
22:47.09mgearysee, that's one (very popular) song of theirs that i don't care for much
22:47.18mgearybut each to his own
22:47.34mgearyyep
23:04.30carmonyok, so here is a question for everyone
23:04.44carmonyI have my server, which is running apache, and sometimes some bash scripts
23:04.52carmonywhen it starts getting slammed
23:05.00carmonyits memory usage climbs
23:05.11carmonyand it'll top at 4gb ram and 4gb swap
23:05.25carmonyif I restart apache
23:05.30carmonyit'll lower
23:05.31carmonyit
23:05.35carmonyto almost nothign
23:05.37carmonyand start to climb
23:05.48carmonyany suggestions on why Apache is using so much memory?
23:05.52mgearyhow many httpd processes do you have running?
23:06.24mgearymaybe shorten the max requests each process handles? That might help clear out any sort of memory leaks...?
23:11.33carmonyok
23:12.16carmonyso if PHP scripts eat up a lot of memory (these ones at least), if an apache process stays open, it might leak that memory"?
23:12.31mgearythat's my theory, but i'm not an expert in such things
23:14.09funguscarmony: you can use mod_status to see what the apache processes are doing.
23:15.02carmonyhow do you use mod_status?
23:15.20fungushttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_status.html
23:15.39fungusessentially a <Location /server-status> SetHandler server-status </Location>
23:15.58mgearyi'd like to see a sample server-status page. Anyone know of one?
23:16.19mgearyhttp://www.apache.org/server-status
23:24.31funguscarmony: I think the default of MaxRequestsPerChild is usually 0.  That means processes will never die.
23:24.53fungusSo if there is a memory leak in apache or one of it's modules, it will not go away ever.
23:27.09carmonyok
23:27.46fungusBut if possible fixing the memory leak is best, but letting the processes die might be a good option.
23:28.36fungusbut on a busy site, that will increase process spawning which can impact performance.
23:30.39josephscottcarmony: are you running a PHP byte code cache?
23:31.05josephscottthat would add to your memory requirements
23:31.36carmonyI doubt it
23:31.46carmonyI didn't set it up, so it shouldn't
23:37.57carmonyI just hate how they claim upgrading from one vm size to another is quick
23:38.13carmonybut the quote the speeds from upgrading from the smallest to the second smallest
23:52.04mindjujujohn digweed on ravetrax.com
23:52.04carmonywhat should I set MaxRequestPerChild fungus?
23:52.51fungusIf you choose that route, it should be sufficiently high to not overload your server with forks, but low enough not to have the processes bloat too much.
23:53.11fungusHow fast to they grow?
23:54.19carmonywell, on the old server, 5 minutes and we were in trouble
23:54.26carmonynew one its now 30 minutes
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23:56.10fungusso using mod_status you can try to pinpoint the number of requests it takes to grow a process beyond your limit.

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