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02:37.22GreatWhiteWizardyep, theory proves true.
02:37.27GreatWhiteWizardonce again
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04:27.24wpswahoo
04:27.25wpseach() rocks
04:27.49Lone_Wanderereach()?
04:27.56Lone_WandererIs it like mapcar?
04:28.02beandogmapcar?
04:28.22Lone_WandererYeah it's mapcar(function, list)
04:28.32beandogwtc
04:28.32Lone_Wandererand it maps the function to each element of the list
04:28.45Lone_Wanderer...it's Lisp, not PHP
04:28.48beandogoh
04:28.54beandogfor some reason, I thought it had something to do with cars
04:28.55Lone_Wanderercalls function for each member of list
04:29.02beandoga sure sign I should be in bed about now.
04:29.08Lone_Wandererwell, car(list) returns the first element of the list
04:29.21Lone_Wandererand cdr(list) returns everything but the first element
04:29.32Lone_Wandererwhich makes recursion nice and easy
04:30.48Lone_WandererThere's a PHP version of mapcar but I don't remember what it is.
04:31.47wpsarray_walk() ?
04:32.01Lone_WandererYep.
04:32.08wpswps++
04:32.24Lone_Wandererwps' ego++ ;)
04:32.58Lone_WandererIt's too bad PHP doesn't support lambda functions (not really, anyway) 'cause they're the best part of this sort of thing
04:33.12wpsI hate it when people write classes like this:
04:33.20Lone_WandererThat and eval() is so dang slow.
04:33.26wps<p class="something-super-sweet"></p>
04:33.34wpsdashes are EVIL!
04:33.40Lone_WandererThey are?
04:33.43wpsyes
04:33.47wpsdashes = bad
04:33.49wpsbad, bad, bad
04:33.56wpsdashes most bad
04:34.00Lone_Wandererwhy?
04:34.00wpscamel case second bad
04:34.06wpsunderscores are supreme
04:34.12Lone_Wanderersomething_super_sweet?
04:34.17wpsyessir
04:34.19Lone_WandererWhy?
04:34.54wpspersonal preference, but it has reasons
04:35.01wpsunderscores are much easier to read
04:35.21wpsand if you double click them, you're editor selects the entire thing instead of just up to the dash
04:35.32Lone_WandererOhhhhh
04:35.36Lone_WandererWell, YOUR editor maybe.
04:35.44wpsfunction mySweetFunction() {}
04:35.49wps^^^^ yuck!
04:35.53Lone_WandererMy editor is so awesome that it doesn't allow me to double click.
04:36.00Lone_Wandererbecause it doesn't need a mouse
04:36.00wpsfunction my_sweet_function() {}
04:36.03wpsso much easier to read
04:36.23Lone_WandererThat's right, I'm bragging about a lack of features in my editor.
04:36.41Lone_WandererIt makes me feel "leet".
04:36.52wpswhat has happened with inflation?
04:37.02wpsmy wife just bought a shake and it cost $5!!!!
04:37.08wpsfor one shake!
04:37.13Lone_WandererGreenspan retired.
04:38.34wpsoh, and for all of the democrats that told me that I was exaggerating and an alarmist when I said that Obama was a socialist and that his team would screw our country if elected turning it into Sweden and China…
04:38.47wpswell, our great government now owns several banks, an insurance company, and as of today an automobile manufacturing company
04:38.49Lone_WandererChina is communist, moving to capitalism quickly, isn't it?
04:39.02wpsso I wasn't so far off
04:39.11wpshere's comes socialism… the USA is screwed
04:39.15Lone_WandererNot that I disagree with your overall premise, which is hatred toward socialism
04:39.44Lone_WandererAnyway, this caffeine buzz isn't going to last all night and I've got some work to do.
04:39.45wps(yeah, sorry, mistyped when I put China)
04:40.03Lone_Wanderer(Well, it might if I bust out the Red Bull in my desk.  But I would like to sleep tonight.)
04:40.11wps:)
04:40.53Lone_Wandererand I've just bought a book on vim so I can learn more about how awesome it is
04:41.15Lone_Wandererand further entrench myself, making moving to a modern development environment even harder
04:41.19Lone_Wanderergogo luddite
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13:58.14carmonygood night everyone....
13:59.38SunSparcGood night carmony
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14:19.11itimbersup guys
14:49.40mindjujusup itimber
14:49.57itimbernada
14:50.00itimberjust cranking
14:50.19itimberbeen feeling sluggish for weeks.... so, today I slept in and then worked out
14:50.25itimberfeel like a million bucks
14:50.30itimbersup w/ you?
14:51.15mindjujuwell, i seemed to have gotten over the ear infection, just coughing / sneezing --> yuck
14:51.24mindjujui'll prolly stay home today too
14:53.30itimberyuck man... hope you get well soon
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15:03.13macnewbold~yow
15:03.38mgeary~zippy
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15:07.11mgeary?
15:07.19mgearythere
15:07.55SunSparcYour alter ego?
15:08.04mgearyyup
15:08.15mgearyi sent him off to do my work while i idle
15:10.00SunSparcNice
15:22.44SunSparc?
15:23.18mindjujui created a digital assets management server and in my drug-induced (cold medicines) stupor, i gave it the host name damserver
15:23.51utahconI have done worse
15:24.14mindjujuyeah?
15:25.08utahconwhen I was working for Overstock.com as an affiliate manager I had a customer that I couldnt stand... so in making an ad for them once I named the resulting file nowleavemealongf***head.html
15:25.14utahconand deployed it as such by accident.
15:25.20utahconalong = alone
15:25.37mindjujudid clients see it?
15:25.41utahconyes
15:26.02utahconmy butt was in a sling for a little while
15:26.03mindjujuyipes!
15:27.13SunSparcheh
15:28.32mindjujuanybody want to recommend a CMS?
15:28.42orsonjvi
15:29.02mindjujui need to pop something out quickly where for em it will be just the setup and they want to manage and run
15:29.15mindjujui'll do occasional touches, etc
15:29.26mindjujui'm looking at joomla, seems decent
15:30.13orsonjI've setup a joomla site once before. It was good enough for that project
15:30.42mgearyZope!
15:31.05mgearyor Plone
15:32.13mgearyZope is more of a framework
15:32.19mgearyPlone is a CMS based on Zope
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15:33.20mindjujui've been looking for an excuse to learn python, but don't think today is the day
15:33.32mindjujuthis does look pretty cool though
15:39.35DezertolI considered python.. back when I was trying export points out of a 3d model from blenderb
15:39.43Dezertolbut.. never got very far in the process
15:39.50mgearypython is teh bombe
15:40.08Dezertoland to think.. I actually paied for blender
15:40.15mgearyall PHPers should learn python so they have somewhere to go when they're ready
15:40.19mgeary;)
15:41.52Dezertolgot a pritty good perl background and minimal c/c++
15:42.03Dezertolbut.. at the end of the day.. I don't want to code forever
15:42.24mgeary<PROTECTED>
15:42.31Dezertolhey
15:42.35Dezertoljust sayn
15:42.39Dezertolwhen i'm like 80
15:42.42mgearyoh, oops, was that out loud?
15:42.59DezertolI don't want to be grinding away
15:43.10Dezertolfor some pain in the butt client that want's it this way
15:43.14Dezertolnot that way
15:44.12DezertolI did use Plone for a while
15:44.28Dezertolalmost 3 years
15:44.44DezertolI like there setup for the oo db
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15:45.01Dezertolbut couln't get around the "how do I just run a sql query"
15:45.06Dezertolfor reportings
15:45.10Dezertollol
15:45.16Dezertolsource of much frustration
15:45.26mgearyheh
15:45.33mgearywell, i've got all of about 3 hours of experience with Plone
15:46.21fungusFor a full blown CMS, drupal isn't bad.  Really complex, but extremely flexible.
15:46.33fungusOr for simple stuff, Wordpress.  
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16:08.33utahconsometimes the errors WP gives are.. useless
16:08.38utahconThe blog you have requested is not installed properly.
16:08.41utahconno clue as to why
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16:13.15mindjujuIE 8.1, codenamed Eagle Eyes. Loaded with exclusive features  such as a new JavaScript engine, support of WebSlices and full web standards  support (CSS 3), IE 8.1 is speculated to debut in this summer.
16:13.20mindjujuhttp://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/31/breaking-internet-explorer-81-eagle-eyes-leaked/
16:13.39mindjujufull standards support?
16:14.23brastoherlo, what's a good flac ripper?
16:14.34herlodunno
16:14.40mindjujuzoinks!  -- IE 8 will have Firefox Extensions Support
16:14.51mindjujuif you can't beat 'em... steal 'em!
16:14.57herlobrasto: consider yum list or aptitude list
16:15.10herloer aptitude search
16:15.28brastoyea, I see a few that way herlo, but I am curious if you've used one you like since there are a few choices.
16:16.31mindjujuman, this article is entirely kiss-butt
16:16.39mindjujuwith fun comments like this
16:16.40mindjujuInternet Explorer has always been the leader of executing client-side scripts,  but that didn’t stop Microsoft from continuing its thirst for excellence by  including a completely new JavaScript engine called JSE, which stands  for JavaScript Speedy Engine.
16:19.06mindjujuoh dag
16:19.27mindjujuherlo, apparently it's April 1st in the part of the world where this article was published
16:19.41utahconsounds like it
16:19.48DexterTheDragontime to sign off of the internet
16:19.57herlomindjuju: yep
16:20.02herlomakes sense
16:20.16herlofull 2d hours of april fools
16:20.32herlos/2d/24q
16:20.38herlogah!
16:29.04dataw0lf>_<
16:32.04unumDexterTheDragon: agreed
16:36.22utahconthe downsides to hosting without 100% control of the box... asking for http conf changes .
16:37.19Dezertolya I took... umm someones advice and got a linode
16:37.24Dezertolthat's a cool little setup
16:37.53Dezertolgoing to move a lot of my stuff to there
16:38.04utahconlol
16:38.06utahconI would love to
16:38.06Dezertolcheaper then the power it takes to run the server out of my house
16:38.30utahconhowever the site is not a profitable one, and I am not in a position (right now) to drop $20/month
16:39.35utahconso I am sticking with what I have paid for through 2011 :D
16:39.35utahconwhen that comes to a close, I will probably move to linode, or another like it
16:39.35Dezertolya.. I didn't want to pay hosting fees so I was running a server off my home dsl
16:39.36utahconI have done that
16:39.36Dezertoland I spend more on my powerbill then the linode will cost me
16:39.36Dezertollol
16:39.36utahconlol
16:39.42DezertolI'll co-lo that box one day
16:39.44utahconneat option when viewing support tickets "Only show human responses"
16:39.51Dezertolbut till my project is profitable
16:40.00utahconI did the colo thing, but that is costly too
16:40.06Dezertolrunning a duel power supply dell 2950
16:40.13Dezertolplus battery backup
16:40.24Dezertolcosts more in power then the 20 a month
16:40.27Dezertolfor a dev box
16:41.04Dezertolya
16:41.30DezertolI looked into co-loing my box at xmssion it would be like 250 a month
16:41.32Dezertolouch
16:42.00utahconand they said yes :D
16:42.20Dezertolwow
16:42.23Dezertolthat's impressive
16:42.29Dezertolthey must be board
16:43.31utahconmust be
16:43.33mgearysaid yes to what?
16:43.41mgearydataw0lf: ??
16:44.03utahconServerAlias *mydomain.com :D
16:44.13mgearyah
16:44.15utahconI asked them to add that to my http conf
16:44.28utahconnothing super fancy, but the fact they did it so quickly is nice
16:47.07dataw0lfmgeary: Meh, just looking for a more elegant way to do this: http://pastebin.com/m78cb3bcf
16:47.20dataw0lfwhere Post has many Tags and that method is on the Tag model.
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16:48.00mgearyhuh. i see
16:48.24Utah_Davehey, everyone
16:48.33dataw0lfsup Utah_Dave
16:48.42dataw0lfknow of a more concise way to do this in the Django ORM: http://pastebin.com/m78cb3bcf ?
16:48.58dataw0lfwhere Post has many Tags and that method is on the Tag model?  It's pretty simple, but so is Django's ORM.
16:49.08Utah_Davejust getting ready for lunch
16:51.10Utah_Daveis that code working, dataw0lf?
16:51.34dataw0lfyes, it's generally how I span multivalue relationships
16:51.43dataw0lfsince Django's ORM kills me at times
16:52.17dataw0lfit _works_, and has worked for a while, I just want something more elegant.
16:55.00Utah_Daveit looks ok to me. I have huge headache right now, so i don't have all my brain cells at my disposal
16:55.12Utah_Dave:(
16:56.15dataw0lfaw.  allergies?
16:56.36dataw0lfTHEY SHALL NEVER TAKE ME
16:56.53Utah_Daveno. i think its a flu. but i'm not sure
16:57.43Utah_Davemy buddies here think i'm having withdrawals since i gave up soda for a year starting yesterday
16:58.05Utah_Davei'm in D.C. working
16:58.13dataw0lfahhhh, that's it :).  I gave up caffeine a couple weeks ago.  Been drinking hawaiin punch like a mad man.
16:58.22dataw0lfhawaiian*
16:58.28dataw0lfUtah_Dave: oh nice, D.C., eh?
16:59.04utahconFor wildcard DNS should you setup a CNAME for * or a A?
16:59.42Utah_Daveyeah, the weather is great the last couple days
17:00.21Utah_Davedid a lot of sight seeing on Saturday. Going to see a bunch of monuments this evening
17:01.10Utah_Daveand we've been playing video games like madmen in all the rest of our spare time
17:03.04Utah_DaveI'm considering taking a job out here. not sure yet though
17:05.33unumI love dc
17:06.29Utah_Davemy main concern is making sure i don't have a 2 hour commute
17:06.41unumboth ways?
17:06.45Dezertolso.. I know most of the folks in this crew are postgresql folks..
17:07.01DezertolI was wondering... how do you load balance them like if you need more then one server
17:07.10Dezertoldo they just sync with each other like replication
17:07.28Dezertolor do you just run a dup schema and only load what you need in each one
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17:21.05Lone_WandererUtD - where in DC?
17:21.35Lone_WandererMy sister lives in VA, her husband works at the Pentagon.  Apparently there's an unofficial carpooling system up there
17:22.53Lone_WandererIt doesn't make the commute any faster (except that you get to take the carpool lane) but it's free
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18:35.11brastodude.  I'm annoyed with Banshee for not recording changes to audio file meta tags when I make changes.  I made all these changes, and they are all in a config file only readable by Banshee.
18:35.28brastowhat do some of you use to change flac encoded audio file meta info?
18:37.50_psychic_mindjuju: http://qa.php.net/testfest.php
18:40.00brastoah, there's an option in banshee to write metadata to files
18:40.01brastodumb
18:40.29brastoit should just do it that way
19:15.12SunSparc~console brasto
19:23.15fungusbrasto: but banshee does store it's library database in SQLite.
19:23.32fungus~sqlite++
19:32.58unumso let's say I have table A with columns A_id and x.  I also have table B with columns B_id A_id and y.  If I wanted the sum of all values of y grouped by x.  how should I do that.
19:35.36unumI keep trying to do "SELECT x,SUM(y) FROM A NATURAL LEFT JOIN B GROUP BY x"
19:36.04unumwhich double counts
19:36.06DexterTheDragonselect sum(y) from A join B using A_id group by x
19:37.05unumon postgres that seems to double count
19:38.27unumwhat I end up doing is: SELECT x,SUM(y) FROM A NATURAL LEFT JOIN (SELECT x,y FROM B NATURAL LEFT JOIN A) AS B GROUP BY x
19:38.52unumand that works, but seems like I might be doing more work than I should
19:45.25macnewboldunum, you can also try select x, sum(y/count(x)) FROM A NATURAL LEFT JOIN B GROUP BY x  - that might even out the over counting
19:45.49macnewboldsum(y)/count(x) might work too
19:58.11fungusunum: instead of trying to use the pretty stuff (NATURAL,USING), make it work with one query that might be ugly, then beautify later.
19:58.40fungusSELECT x,SUM(y) FROM A LEFT JOIN B ON A.A_id = B.A_id GROUP BY x
20:08.55brastofungus: I didn't know that banshee stores it the info in sqlite
20:09.04brastothat's pretty cool
20:11.30orsonjIt's nice how a number of programs use sqlite to store info
20:12.46orsonjsqlite has got to be a lot faster than reading info from metadata in mp3 files though.
20:12.58thebigdogDezertol, did you get any feedback on your question?
20:14.49Dezertolthebigdog not yet
20:15.09Dezertolgot a project that "could" scale quite large
20:15.21Dezertoland want to be sure to code it in a way to be able to handle it
20:15.40thebigdogare you wanting replication or ha?
20:15.56Dezertolwasn't sure how the big companies like myspace or facebook handle the db load
20:16.14Dezertollike.. is it more then one db server and do they replicate
20:16.18thebigdogthere are a few ways to do it
20:16.24Dezertolor do they each old a differtn peice of data
20:16.33thebigdogsome will replicate and then have ha on top of it
20:16.44Dezertolha?
20:16.51thebigdoghigh availability
20:16.55Dezertolo
20:17.01thebigdogmaster/slave type situation
20:17.05Dezertolwell just for example like.. facebook
20:17.12Dezertolwhere they have a ton of users
20:17.26Dezertoldo you know/think they all load off one db
20:17.30Dezertolor do they have a bunch
20:17.52thebigdogsome will use clustering software
20:17.54Dezertoland things like "friends" and searchs and what not.. span all the servers
20:17.58thebigdogwith a sans backend
20:18.02macnewboldon really large scales you can often make sharding work well
20:18.21macnewboldthere's an article in this month's php|architect magazine about clustering php
20:18.32macnewboldit talks about just this topic - scaling the database
20:18.37Dezertolis sharding what its called when you store useser a-m on one and n-z on a different?
20:18.43macnewboldyep
20:18.59macnewboldor table a on this server and table b on that server
20:19.19macnewboldit can limit your ability to do joins, so sometimes you'd have to do more in your data layer in the application
20:19.29thebigdogallocation of data is really nice
20:19.32thebigdogmomjian.us/main/writings/pgsql/replication.pdf
20:19.35thebigdogthat is a good read too
20:19.45macnewboldthough it could make sense to not use a relational database at all
20:19.59Dezertoldownlaod the pdf.. I'll read threw it
20:19.59macnewboldyou might be able to do quite a bit with memchached too
20:20.12Dezertolya I'm just tring to understand how the big sites handle load
20:20.20Dezertolonly ever worked on smaller sites
20:20.38thebigdogmost big sites have hardware solutions
20:20.39macnewboldthe best rule of thumb I know is this: don't optimize until you need to
20:20.46macnewboldpremature optimization can kill you
20:20.51mgearyroot of all evil
20:21.05macnewboldso if you have a site that might get big, just build it, and worry about the problems when yuo run into them
20:21.08Dezertolwell I want to design the system to work.. well at any level of user count
20:21.17macnewboldyou can't know for sure what the problems will be until you get there
20:21.18Dezertoland I don't want to have to re-write anything
20:21.30macnewboldDezertol: pipe dream. no offense.
20:21.38Dezertolmore then pipe dream
20:21.40macnewboldyou're going to have to change stuff when you scale it large
20:21.47DezertolI just want to understand how it all works
20:22.00macnewboldbut the catch is you can't know now exactly what problems you'll hit as you grow
20:22.19DezertolI realize issues like
20:22.21macnewboldthere are some things you can do that require 10% or less additional effort above what you need to make it work at all
20:22.22Dezertolbandwitch
20:22.26Dezertolwidth
20:22.34Dezertoland location for more servers
20:22.37Dezertoland cooling etc...
20:22.44Dezertolbut.. from a pure code stand point
20:22.51macnewboldand those you can do ahead of time, but if it is 50% more, or 2x more, or 10x more work to do the "large scale" way, it isn't worth it now
20:23.15Dezertolbut.. if it's my dime
20:23.23macnewboldseriously Dezertol, the best approach I'd recommend is to build it on a database like MySQL or Postgres,
20:23.25Dezertoland I'd rather not deal with it latter
20:23.31macnewboldand plan that if you get big enough, you'll scale the db bigger
20:23.42macnewbold#1 way is to get it on a beefy dedicated server
20:24.14macnewbold#2 way is replication - start w/master slave and use master for writes, slave for reads, and you may need some kind of caching if out of date data from slave isn't acceptable
20:24.23macnewbold#3 way is clustering
20:24.28macnewboldpain goes up with each one
20:25.51Dezertolwhat about sharding
20:26.32Dezertolthis project is nothing more then a way for me to learn and understand how big env's work
20:26.34thebigdogdont eat that type of food
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20:27.12DezertolI want to have some basic understand of how to scale a web based application
20:27.32DezertolI understand round-robin dns
20:27.39Dezertoland multiple webservers
20:28.04Dezertolbut the db access of the servers..
20:28.15Dezertoljust not sure how to scale it that big
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20:30.46Dezertolmacnewbold so with option 1... what's resonable for a well built system
20:30.51thebigdogit is hard to do it in a test scenario like you are saying...each site is different and overcomes problems different
20:31.20Dezertolwell my test case is a social network site
20:31.24Dezertollike facebook or my space
20:31.27thebigdogwell with option one you could spend over $1M dollars on beefy systems
20:31.35Dezertolit's not going to go anywhere but I want to understand
20:31.42Dezertolif the code has to be different
20:31.56Dezertolor if you can just code a regular php app with out makeing special db calls
20:32.03Dezertolor if you'd need some kind of db handler
20:32.10Dezertolto fetch the data from multiple sources
20:32.11thebigdogyou are looking at it like 1 issue though
20:32.11Dezertoletc...
20:32.14thebigdogwhen it is many
20:32.18Dezertolo.
20:32.22thebigdognetworking, hardware, software and code
20:32.24fungusIf you can segregate your read queries from write queries that would be helpful
20:32.30thebigdogthere are many factors that you have to take into account
20:32.59thebigdogthe code is just one piece if the overall architecture of the system
20:33.34funguskeep the code modular to easily implement caching later.
20:33.56Dezertolya
20:34.04Dezertolthe db stuff I've used so far..
20:34.13Dezertollike.. php's ADOdb and DB_DataObject
20:34.31Dezertoldon't give you any kind of ability to make one call here and one call there
20:34.44Dezertolso I'd probably have to write my own verion of a dbhandler
20:34.58Dezertolwhich I did in the past
20:35.06Dezertolbut it's been years since I used it
20:37.09Dezertolthat's an intresting pdf
20:37.35thebigdogyeah bruce is a really smart cookie
20:38.05Dezertolit's got like 7 different ways to to do it
20:38.25DezertolI think the pgpool-II seems the smart way for the setup I want to do
20:39.40thebigdog<PROTECTED>
20:39.40Dezertoltrue
20:39.40thebigdognor offer any explaination of them
20:39.41Dezertolis it true that boxes that have specific drives can't physically touch other systmes with drives of a different rpm
20:39.48Dezertolcuz they'll casue slowing and other hermonic issues between the drives
20:41.52dataw0lfhttp://jet-point.com/2009/02/24/birds-stealing-ice-cream/
20:43.44Dezertollooks like time to buy some of that alka-seltzer ice cream
20:44.03beandogon the plus side, if they poop on you, it may be okay to eat
20:44.09SunSparchehe, looks like that was almost staged.
20:44.13Dezertollol
20:44.16Dezertolgroose
20:47.55thebigdogSunSparc, i think it looks staged
20:48.29SunSparcthebigdog: Either that or the photographer was very patient and knew that this happened frequently at that location.
20:48.34thebigdogif i saw a seagull eye'n my ice cream....oh man it would be on
20:49.01thebigdogif that location was like that...many people would be doing something about it
20:49.11thebigdogbut then again...there are stupid people in the world
20:50.03SunSparcI bet a Paladin bubble would stop those Seagulls...
20:55.17thebigdogbut then you could not eat...only cast a heal on your ice cream
20:56.00SunSparcheh, good point.
20:56.04Dezertoli'm in favor of alka-seltzer ice cream
20:56.07Dezertollet them eat it
20:56.11Dezertolcount to 5
20:56.15Dezertoland pop
20:56.20Dezertolfeathers everwhere
20:56.24mgearythe seagulls around the Sydney Opera House are very brazen
20:56.36mindjuju_psychic_ thx for the link, i'll sign us up
20:58.46dataw0lfdoesn't look staged to me
20:58.56dataw0lfI've had a seagull take a hotdog out of my hand in Seattle
20:59.17dataw0lfI was drunk at the time so I spent the next hour chasing it around trying to wring it's neck.
20:59.50SunSparcThat would have been entertaining.
21:00.12dataw0lfyea, my friends thought so too
21:01.36SunSparcThe seagull probably didn't.  heh
21:02.32dataw0lfoh he thought it was great.
21:03.02thebigdoghe had a full belly
21:03.21SunSparcTrue, I guess he had the last laugh.
21:03.37_psychic_I suppose it has always irked me how a photographer is somehow licensed to step out of his humanity in order to get some good picks
21:04.14dataw0lfwell it's not a warzone, man.  It's a bunch of people getting their ice cream gyanked.
21:04.19_psychic_though who knows - maybe he filed a report or whatever and spent the rest of the afternoon capturing the phenomenon
21:07.36unumfungus that's the way I'm really doing it
21:07.40unumand it's not working
21:07.49unumI just typed my example that way so it would be fast
21:07.54unumwhere's eggyknap
21:08.04unumsorry I had to go to a meeting
21:12.48beandogherlo, you around
21:13.05herlobeandog: wha?
21:13.11eggyknapHrm?
21:14.50jessieyeah! tis not a waste.....
21:15.01jessiewhoops. ha
21:15.07jessieI was up the page.. a lot
21:20.18eggyknapunum: select x, sum(y) from b natural join a group by x doesn't double count for me.
21:20.27Dezertolintresting -> http://royal.pingdom.com/2007/08/22/what-nine-of-the-world%E2%80%99s-largest-websites-are-running-on/
21:22.08unuminteresting
21:22.35unumI guess I need to simplify.
21:24.43jessieWhy so?
21:24.45eggyknaphttp://pastie.org/433102
21:24.50eggyknapexample: ^^
21:26.05jessieahh... i see
21:28.11thebigdogDezertol, my theory of myspace as the internet trailer park has been solidified
21:29.39SunSparcAmen to that.
21:30.03orsonjI don't think linux+apache could fix it though
21:30.49orsonjbut, the same mindset that created it...
21:33.10unumthere must be something else in my code that is messing it up
21:33.23unumI'm using "on" to join
21:33.50unumactually I realized I explained my problem wrong
21:34.00unummaybe I should run a simplified version first :)
21:39.06thebigdogDezertol, one thing you will notice from that link and subsequent articles is that they dont give specs on the server...but i can tell you they are some beefy machines
21:41.58Dezertolya.. i'm sure
21:44.09dataw0lfhttp://idiotforever.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/how-i-duped-the-sun/
21:44.19unumI just got someone in a lot of trouble
21:44.25unumbut she deserved it :)
21:44.43mindjujudo tell
21:53.46unumI've written some stuff that allows us to better monitor whan our lowest level employees are up
21:53.49unumto
21:54.01unumI was showing the senior owner some new features I had added
21:54.14unumthere was a certain employee that had been slacking off
21:54.33unumand it jumped right off the page. the owner was not happy and called her supervisor
21:55.42unumI just found out she had been in trouble before
21:55.54unumbut not with the owner
21:58.12jsmithunum: What... No VNC in stealth mode on the agent PCs?  What, no netflow analysis of the agent's internet surfing?
22:03.26unumjsmith: they are on dos boxes
22:07.08unumok now I have the correct description of my problem
22:07.21unumI should use pastie....
22:11.41unumhttp://pastie.org/433158
22:11.46unumok that's what I'm actually doing
22:12.08unumeggyknap: http://pastie.org/433158
22:16.14macnewboldibot: why do you hate mindjuju?
22:16.24macnewboldibot: why do you hate me?
22:16.24ibotbecause you make me sick, macnewbold
22:16.53beandog~love macnewbold
22:17.01beandogmeh
22:17.18jsmithmindjuju: Did I tell you I got to drive through your favorite parts of Virginia twice in the past week?
22:17.34jsmithmindjuju: If I'd have had your number, I would have called and made you jealous both times :-p
22:17.48jsmithmacnewbold: See, now he'll hate me too
22:18.02jsmithbeandog: Evil?  Oooh, please share!
22:18.08beandogforget it, suckahs
22:19.54beandogaint tellin you nothing
22:21.14macnewbold"yeah beandog, but where are we going to find that many rubber chickens?"
22:21.29beandogheh
22:21.49beandogget me a rubber chicken, some vodka and some broken glass
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22:36.48brastoorsonj: it might be faster, but the problem with not writing info to the audio file (not just mp3, flac in my case) is that if you copy the files anywhere else, or open them with another media player, you don't have any of your corrections.
22:37.11brastoall info for an audio file that can be stored in its medadata should be stored in its meta data
22:38.11beandog~metadata++
22:38.35SunSparc~IE--
22:38.47SunSparc:)
22:39.01unumcan anyone help me with what I pasted?
22:40.04thebigdog~whaleslap mgeary
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22:46.12jsmithbeandog: Would that make him a peasant?
22:46.22beandogI thought they were monks
22:50.18jsmithbeandog: Burninating the countryside... burninating the peasants!
22:54.56beandogtrogdor!
22:59.03utahcon~lart utahcon's dentist
22:59.03ibotblames utahcon's dentist for all the evil in the world
23:00.37SunSparcNight all.
23:22.03itimberI'm out.... later guys

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