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| 04:43.25 | supernovia | hola gusy - anyone around? |
| 04:53.38 | wps | good evening |
| 04:56.04 | supernovia | oh hey Wps |
| 04:56.36 | supernovia | sorry I didn't see you there. just switched to pidgin and I guess I don't have notifications configured yet |
| 04:56.56 | wps | now worries at all |
| 04:57.16 | supernovia | so I think my little projects are getting out of hand, or life is getting out of hand, or something |
| 04:57.31 | supernovia | and I need to stop using a text editor with time stamps to manage my projects |
| 04:57.58 | supernovia | so I'm googling around for ideas. What do you use? |
| 04:58.23 | wps | for billing? |
| 04:58.26 | wps | to track time? |
| 04:59.26 | supernovia | To track projects and the tasks involved with them as well as tracking time. billing of course would be nice too but I can keep going with paypal and pdf invoices for that |
| 04:59.38 | wps | ah |
| 04:59.53 | supernovia | I'm also doing some longer-term contract work now for a couple |
| 04:59.54 | wps | I use TasksPro |
| 05:00.10 | supernovia | the guy wants me to fix some technical issues and the girl has a list of things for me to take care of too |
| 05:00.22 | supernovia | checking it out - |
| 05:00.30 | wps | mostly I just use Mac OS Stickies though |
| 05:00.39 | supernovia | ah yeah? |
| 05:00.42 | supernovia | I'm stuck in windows still |
| 05:00.46 | supernovia | on this system anyway |
| 05:00.46 | wps | yup |
| 05:01.39 | supernovia | I really have just been using a text pad, doing timestamps and adding notes. but that doesn't let them log in and track progress and what not. |
| 05:02.13 | supernovia | Ah, Crowd Favorite. |
| 05:03.29 | supernovia | cool. I will have a look at that. |
| 05:03.43 | supernovia | I am -hoping- to find something that's on the ridiculously simple side |
| 05:04.36 | wps | that's what I love about TasksPro |
| 05:04.39 | wps | no bells and whistles |
| 05:04.49 | wps | nice interfaceâ¦Â just gets the job done |
| 05:05.08 | wps | projects and tasks, due dates, check things off |
| 05:06.16 | supernovia | Cool |
| 05:09.33 | supernovia | thanks wps - I am checking this out |
| 05:11.13 | wps | you're welcome |
| 05:11.15 | supernovia | checking out taskfreak too here |
| 05:11.34 | supernovia | how are things going for you this evening? |
| 05:12.17 | wps | well, thanks |
| 05:12.29 | wps | working on my templating engine |
| 05:12.42 | supernovia | cool. |
| 05:14.07 | supernovia | I'm more design-oriented & am a fan of a good templating system :) |
| 05:14.55 | wps | I'm anti framework, but I do like my business separated from my display |
| 05:16.21 | supernovia | well, perhaps its just my experience but it seems when you're needing real access to design stuff without the programming end it only makes sense. |
| 05:17.19 | supernovia | I don't like being the 'designer chick' scapegoat :) keeping it separated helps :) |
| 05:23.10 | supernovia | goodness. I'm turning into one sleepy chica. Looks like I've got my work cut out for tomorrow though trying these out and picking one. thanks again wps |
| 05:23.24 | wps | have a good night |
| 05:23.50 | supernovia | you too :) |
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| 05:24.52 | wps | __get() and __set() are cool |
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| 14:46.57 | supernovia | hi SunSparc |
| 14:47.01 | supernovia | and everyone :) |
| 14:47.22 | SunSparc | Good morning supernovia! |
| 14:47.39 | supernovia | Indeed :) |
| 14:57.15 | itimber | installing XTools... BRB |
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| 15:03.52 | utahcon | Dreamhost is offering unlimited disk and bandwidth for 1 yr for $9.24 |
| 15:10.00 | supernovia | Great. |
| 15:10.21 | supernovia | That's the second massively oversold hosting thing I've heard today |
| 15:11.18 | supernovia | does anyone know whether Dreamhost is very dreamy? |
| 15:12.00 | utahcon | I have an account. |
| 15:12.05 | utahcon | I haven't used it much yet. |
| 15:12.12 | utahcon | Going to start using it this weekend actually. |
| 15:12.36 | supernovia | Let me know how it works out |
| 15:12.42 | utahcon | Sure. |
| 15:13.02 | utahcon | supernovia: What hosting packages does your outfit have? |
| 15:13.03 | supernovia | do they have cpu usage limits? |
| 15:13.09 | supernovia | They're definitely not that cheap |
| 15:13.21 | supernovia | also I am not working there as much anymore. but I will definitely keep hosting with them |
| 15:13.29 | utahcon | nothing mentioned on CPU usage |
| 15:13.50 | supernovia | the least expensive package is $4/month on a 2 year contract |
| 15:14.05 | supernovia | well, that's not local either |
| 15:14.15 | utahcon | oh I thought they were... |
| 15:14.18 | utahcon | well danged... |
| 15:14.20 | supernovia | I've worked -for- them but from home |
| 15:14.41 | supernovia | started doing contract work for them when I was in vegas and they hired me in 2004 |
| 15:15.25 | supernovia | but the hosting really is good. we try to keep the server loads quite low so your sites load up quickly |
| 15:16.45 | utahcon | very cool... link? |
| 15:17.06 | supernovia | handsonwebhosting.com |
| 15:17.13 | supernovia | oh, there's one thing you'll hate though |
| 15:17.14 | supernovia | no SSH |
| 15:17.20 | supernovia | unless you're on a VPS or dedicated |
| 15:18.15 | supernovia | years ago we offered jailed access but too many people goofed themselves up :-( |
| 15:18.42 | utahcon | I can live without SSH, if I am shared. |
| 15:21.30 | supernovia | It's pretty good hosting. We get people over from dreamhost all the time ;-) |
| 15:22.06 | utahcon | lol I am sure you do, prices are kinda steep though :( |
| 15:22.18 | supernovia | heh yeah compared to dreamhost they absolutely are |
| 15:22.58 | utahcon | compared to linode they are too ... |
| 15:23.18 | supernovia | it's because we don't put very many accounts on a server. most of our clients run x-cart and it's a bit of a resource hog |
| 15:23.46 | utahcon | x-cart... sounds familiar... |
| 15:24.12 | supernovia | yeah |
| 15:24.27 | utahcon | I used to work for an xCart... wonder if they are the same... |
| 15:24.38 | utahcon | but that was many moons ago |
| 15:24.44 | supernovia | were they based in russia? |
| 15:24.51 | utahcon | no |
| 15:24.54 | utahcon | so maybe not |
| 15:25.06 | supernovia | this one's in russia and they've been around since ... I dunno, 2000 ish I think? |
| 15:25.08 | utahcon | they were based in Cottonwood heights... no idea what happened to them. |
| 15:25.09 | supernovia | maybe 2002. |
| 15:25.34 | supernovia | how long ago was that? |
| 15:26.01 | utahcon | um... worked there 97-98 |
| 15:26.23 | supernovia | hehe, maybe the russians bought them out :) |
| 15:26.37 | utahcon | maybe |
| 15:28.16 | supernovia | though in 97 russia was a little nuts so probably not ;-p |
| 15:28.38 | supernovia | (their economy I mean. makes this economy seem awesome :-p) |
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| 15:31.37 | utahcon | their economy still makes ours look awesome |
| 15:32.09 | SunSparc | Whose? Serbia? |
| 15:32.18 | supernovia | probably so. but their economy now makes the one they had back then look ridiculously awesome |
| 15:32.22 | supernovia | Russia |
| 15:32.39 | SunSparc | Which is sad. |
| 15:32.59 | supernovia | BTW if anyone wants to taste some black bread and see me wearing a babashka, we're having our World Culture Night this evening |
| 15:33.10 | supernovia | and I'm doing my booth on Russia |
| 15:33.21 | SunSparc | supernovia: Where? |
| 15:33.51 | supernovia | At my kids' school. I could give you the address if you want to go. They'll have tables set up from several countries |
| 15:36.58 | supernovia | this school is very much into language and world cultures :-) |
| 15:38.17 | utahcon | what is a babashka? |
| 15:38.55 | supernovia | Just a scarf thing that the babushka's (and many other women) wear on their heads |
| 15:38.58 | utahcon | google says earrings, wikipedia says... nothing. |
| 15:39.06 | supernovia | well, I spelled it phonetically |
| 15:39.07 | utahcon | wikipedia wins |
| 15:39.38 | wps | we used to be enemies, but we're good friends now |
| 15:39.50 | SunSparc | The Seagull Nebula -> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html |
| 15:40.28 | wps | :) |
| 15:40.30 | utahcon | AWS EC2 is still too expensive. |
| 15:40.43 | supernovia | congrats wps :) |
| 15:41.00 | supernovia | utahcon - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/babushka |
| 15:41.23 | utahcon | thanks. |
| 15:41.25 | utahcon | very cool. |
| 15:41.32 | utahcon | so you will be dressing like an old woman :D |
| 15:41.35 | supernovia | heheh |
| 15:42.13 | supernovia | well, I'll be wearing the 'babashka' which you might find a 'babushka' wearing :-p |
| 15:42.59 | utahcon | very cool... so your kids are learning language and culture... mine is learning alphabets and dinosaurs |
| 15:43.00 | supernovia | seems no one spells the difference but that's how you'd say it anyway :-p |
| 15:43.10 | supernovia | Yeah, your kids are little though aren't they? |
| 15:43.41 | supernovia | mine are in 1st and 2nd grade |
| 15:43.57 | utahcon | yeah she is in pre-school |
| 15:44.12 | supernovia | this school is pretty fly I must say. |
| 15:45.09 | utahcon | public or private? |
| 15:45.14 | supernovia | Charter |
| 15:45.36 | utahcon | nice. |
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| 15:47.50 | supernovia | hey there Mac! :) |
| 15:48.16 | supernovia | I -still- need to get my hands on a VCR :-/ |
| 15:49.09 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 15:49.13 | macnewbold | yeah, it can be hard to find old tech |
| 15:50.41 | supernovia | macnewbold, did I meet you before UPHPU? at a halloween party perhaps? I've always wondered. |
| 15:51.31 | macnewbold | I know we've seen each other off and on at some prior UPHPU stuff, maybe some stuff involving Dave Turnbull or Wade, way back in the "Early" uphpu days |
| 15:51.50 | wps | s/early/good 'ole/ |
| 15:51.51 | supernovia | Way back then. but I mean before that like in .. 2000 or so |
| 15:51.55 | supernovia | that's right! |
| 15:52.17 | supernovia | did you ever know a tech writer named Emma? |
| 15:52.20 | wps | good to see you, mac |
| 15:53.32 | wps | busted? |
| 15:54.09 | supernovia | just a syntax error on this extra widget thing I'm doing (it's on a dev site, not to worry) |
| 15:54.30 | supernovia | I am so bad at programming. I'll keep trying though :-p |
| 15:55.14 | utahcon | some things just seem to complicated to be right when I code them. |
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| 15:58.09 | supernovia | yeah it's all complicated to me. but I will not be defeated by my own mediocrity :) |
| 16:00.09 | supernovia | ( I owe that much to my non-mediocre aspects) |
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| 16:03.21 | supernovia | hi beandog :) |
| 16:03.29 | beandog | supernovia, o hai |
| 16:04.39 | supernovia | I wish people didn't see gum chewing as an ugly habit. |
| 16:05.02 | beandog | "Spitting is a dirty habit" "I know a worse one" |
| 16:05.23 | beandog | :) |
| 16:05.36 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:06.23 | supernovia | that's probably the next movie my kids are going to see on the big screen :) |
| 16:06.30 | supernovia | on the little big screen anyway |
| 16:06.33 | beandog | supernovia, big screen? |
| 16:06.43 | beandog | did you get a big TV |
| 16:07.01 | supernovia | got a projecter |
| 16:07.12 | beandog | oooh momma. |
| 16:07.13 | beandog | nic. |
| 16:07.14 | beandog | nice. |
| 16:07.30 | supernovia | I mean projector sorry |
| 16:07.43 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 16:07.46 | beandog | which noe did you get |
| 16:08.10 | supernovia | honestly I wasn't the purchaser so I didn't really pay attention |
| 16:08.31 | supernovia | one with a big fat rebate... |
| 16:09.50 | beandog | hmm |
| 16:10.00 | supernovia | sorry I know that sounds awful. I care about technology. |
| 16:10.05 | supernovia | I'm just less into entertainment technology. |
| 16:10.10 | beandog | ~shun supernovia |
| 16:10.11 | jbot | You are dead to me, supernovia. |
| 16:10.25 | beandog | :) |
| 16:10.28 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:11.45 | supernovia | oh cool, sounds like they're doing capoeira in the gym .. |
| 16:12.26 | beandog | whats that |
| 16:13.19 | supernovia | ah I found the projector .. Mitsubishi HC5500 1080p LCD Home Theater Projector |
| 16:13.25 | wps | can str_replace not handle a string with spaces and quotes in it for the $search? |
| 16:13.35 | wps | do I have to use preg_replace? |
| 16:13.37 | utahcon | exmaple? |
| 16:13.42 | beandog | wps, gimme an example |
| 16:13.45 | wps | $this->page_content = str_replace('<module class="abc" />', 'cow', $this->page_content); |
| 16:13.49 | beandog | supernovia, nice ... HD goodness |
| 16:13.54 | wps | it doesn't fine the search string |
| 16:14.15 | utahcon | that is odd |
| 16:14.45 | supernovia | it's ... cool .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51q1VB_dDik |
| 16:15.29 | supernovia | ^ video of capoeira |
| 16:15.36 | supernovia | I am logging off :) see ya guys :) |
| 16:16.07 | beandog | that is weird. |
| 16:16.59 | wps | this does work though: |
| 16:16.59 | wps | $this->page_content = str_replace('<module name', 'cow', $this->page_content); |
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| 16:17.30 | wps | ah-hah |
| 16:17.35 | wps | it's choking on the quote |
| 16:18.05 | wps | I escaped them and now it works |
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| 16:29.09 | utahcon | quote customer "2 weeks" to demo. They call in 2 days "got anything" (face palm) |
| 16:29.36 | utahcon | ~lart customers |
| 16:29.36 | jbot | pours gasoline all over customers, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:29.57 | beandog | whats the name of those marshmallows on homestarrunner.com |
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| 16:49.57 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 16:50.54 | wps | weird |
| 16:52.19 | unum | so lets say you wanted the highest value from three column in postgres, what would you do? |
| 16:53.09 | mgeary | hey, what is a .do extension in a web context? |
| 16:53.15 | beandog | unum, max |
| 16:53.27 | beandog | select max(col1, col2, col3) |
| 16:53.39 | beandog | I think. |
| 16:53.43 | unum | I didn't see that in the docs |
| 16:53.43 | wps | I think that .do is usually java |
| 16:54.37 | beandog | no, thats not right |
| 16:54.50 | unum | it doesn't |
| 16:55.21 | eggyknap | The max() aggregate only takes one argument, which is why that doesn't work. |
| 16:55.32 | eggyknap | You could create a custom aggregate to do it, if you insisted on doing it that way |
| 16:56.15 | unum | I guess I should do it in the programming language |
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| 16:59.05 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go. |
| 16:59.11 | eggyknap | unum: I just gave a presentation on why that's often not the best idea :) |
| 17:00.05 | unum | which one's not the best idea |
| 17:00.15 | unum | some day thursday will work better for me |
| 17:00.27 | unum | I was trying a case statement |
| 17:01.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ...I'm getting a check from the military for 97 cents. |
| 17:03.28 | SunSparc | Lone_Wanderer: Congrats! |
| 17:03.39 | SunSparc | What are you going to do with it? |
| 17:04.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to squirrel it away. |
| 17:04.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Over the next million years, it will accrue enormous amounts of interest. |
| 17:04.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Then, I'm going to use it to buy a candy bar. |
| 17:04.52 | SunSparc | After the million years? |
| 17:04.54 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: you're going to hide it under my deck? |
| 17:05.04 | mgeary | because that's apparently what all the squirrels do |
| 17:05.25 | SunSparc | mgeary: Is your deck done? |
| 17:05.38 | mgeary | well, my deck is actually gone |
| 17:05.42 | mgeary | ripped out |
| 17:05.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, after the million years. |
| 17:05.56 | mgeary | being replaced with pavers and the waterfall. And no, it's not done yet |
| 17:06.14 | mgeary | it would actually be done sooner if they'd show up now and then to work on it |
| 17:06.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, a water fall |
| 17:06.19 | SunSparc | mgeary: Just wondering if it was ready for a Geek party yet. |
| 17:06.31 | mgeary | probably late spring |
| 17:06.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Wait - pavers and waterfalls don't self assemble? |
| 17:07.04 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: that is an epiphany our landscapers may still be awaiting |
| 17:07.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Man, it's nine years after 2000 and we don't even have self-assembling landscapes. |
| 17:07.12 | Lone_Wanderer | OR flying cars |
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| 17:16.38 | beandog | or girlfriends |
| 17:17.19 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog wins |
| 17:18.42 | Lone_Wanderer | hey, beandog, you into photography at all? |
| 17:18.48 | beandog | not really |
| 17:19.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Wrong answer. What about hiking? |
| 17:19.11 | beandog | meh |
| 17:19.20 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: flying cars... http://www.moller.com/ |
| 17:19.37 | utahcon | beandog: who needs girlfriends when we have wives! |
| 17:19.46 | beandog | utahcon, Ill take yours, then |
| 17:20.00 | beandog | er, extra girlfriends, that is |
| 17:20.03 | mgeary | his girlfriend? |
| 17:20.12 | utahcon | you may have my extra girlfriends... I don't need them anymore :d |
| 17:20.13 | mgeary | utahcon has a wife AND a girlfriend? |
| 17:20.27 | utahcon | mgeary: it is 2009 |
| 17:20.43 | utahcon | along with technology families have evolved too... |
| 17:21.01 | utahcon | although I honestly don't know why any man would be crazy enough to keep more than 1 woman. |
| 17:22.03 | utahcon | pretty deep |
| 17:22.09 | utahcon | after all this is my second marriage. |
| 17:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I knew a guy who'd been married five times. |
| 17:22.52 | beandog | I've been married seven times before |
| 17:22.57 | beandog | each one prettier than the one before |
| 17:23.39 | utahcon | I figure if you get divorced once... wasn't meant to be... divorced twice, perhaps you should be careful next time... after the third divorce, give up! |
| 17:23.41 | Lone_Wanderer | You should keep going. |
| 17:23.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Was the first one a land monster? |
| 17:24.04 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Henery_the_Eighth,_I_Am |
| 17:24.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Because if there's nowhere to go but up... |
| 17:24.08 | beandog | you guys failed terribly. |
| 17:24.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh. |
| 17:24.40 | beandog | well I got the lyrics totally wrong, so it all evens out |
| 17:24.52 | beandog | ~karma++ |
| 17:25.23 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 17:25.40 | utahcon | I actually know a lady on her 9th marriage... I honestly don't know why you would keep getting married. |
| 17:26.30 | beandog | utahcon, so you know lots of married women, too, mmm? |
| 17:27.44 | beandog | man, I could really go for some chocolate chip cookies right now |
| 17:27.47 | beandog | too early for flapjacks? |
| 17:29.24 | utahcon | never too early for flapjacks |
| 17:31.23 | utahcon | god bless my wife... I have a tooth that hurts... called around and only got an appt for Monday, she is pounding the phone trying to get me in tonight :D |
| 17:33.37 | beandog | really? |
| 17:33.46 | beandog | man, there are tons of places that do "emergency" tooth stuff |
| 17:34.32 | utahcon | we are trying to avoid the "emergency" pricing. |
| 17:34.38 | beandog | ah |
| 17:35.13 | wps | no matter how good the price is, avoid the ones working in storage units |
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| 17:45.23 | SunSparc | There are some good prices on dental visits in Mexico. |
| 17:45.42 | mgeary | utahcon: where do you live? |
| 17:46.20 | mgeary | one down side-- many dentists don't work on Friday |
| 17:46.40 | SunSparc | mgeary: Who does hosting for your clients? |
| 17:46.47 | mgeary | we do |
| 17:47.20 | SunSparc | You do hosting as well? Cool. |
| 17:47.39 | wps | you manage it? or you actually own the data center? |
| 17:47.42 | dataw0lf | if you want good dental care on the cheap, I'd go to a dental school. |
| 17:48.07 | wps | you're not actually in the hosting business, are you mgeary ? |
| 17:48.08 | mgeary | i think you overestimate how much traffic 350 dental websites get |
| 17:48.10 | SunSparc | dataw0lf has a good point. |
| 17:48.14 | mgeary | wps: no, we're not |
| 17:48.21 | mgeary | these are all hosted on one machine |
| 17:48.26 | dataw0lf | I have dental insurance, but when I didn't I'd go to the Berkeley dental school |
| 17:48.39 | mgeary | a nice 8-core Xserve |
| 17:48.49 | mgeary | they get about 220k hits a month aggregated |
| 17:48.49 | dataw0lf | great care because they're usually going through an exam when you get work done, and it's unbelievably cheap. |
| 17:49.28 | mgeary | utahcon: so... where do you live? |
| 17:50.28 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Same works with hair. There are some hair schools around here. |
| 17:51.20 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: yup, yup. |
| 17:54.20 | beandog | dental insurance++ |
| 17:54.26 | mgeary | not |
| 17:54.30 | mgeary | dental insurance-- |
| 17:54.32 | mgeary | it's useless |
| 17:54.33 | beandog | mgeary, no? |
| 17:54.39 | beandog | wow, its saved me buckets of moolah. |
| 17:55.23 | beandog | mgeary, why do you say that |
| 17:55.56 | mgeary | dental insurance mostly works like this-- (it's nothing like health insurance) |
| 17:56.36 | beandog | huh? |
| 17:56.51 | mgeary | they go to a (usually new) practice and say, "hey, we'll funnel a ton of business your way to help you get set up. However, any money you charge on maintenance (cleanings, exams, etc.), we get to keep. You'll make money on doing the other stuff |
| 17:56.56 | SunSparc | beandog: I agree with mgeary. My wife worked for a company that got tire of dental insurance premiums, so they started covering their employees on their own and it has saved the company tons of money and the employees are still fully covered. |
| 17:57.04 | mgeary | so new dentists take it, and they beef up their business |
| 17:57.18 | mgeary | but once they've got a full practice they say, "gee, why am i giving all this money to the insurance?" |
| 17:57.22 | mgeary | and they eventually stop taking it |
| 17:57.32 | mgeary | at which point you need to change dentists |
| 17:58.02 | mgeary | furthermore |
| 17:58.57 | mgeary | when you actually need something expensive (say, a crown), even good dental insurance generally only covers 50%, which sucks |
| 17:58.58 | mgeary | i'm not saying you shouldn't have dental insurance. But if you don't, you're not missing much |
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| 18:04.39 | dataw0lf | mgeary: o rly? You'd think capitalism would've worked that out, huh? |
| 18:05.11 | mgeary | heh. you'd think |
| 18:07.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Huh, I had no idea dental worked that way. |
| 18:07.26 | Lone_Wanderer | No wonder so few places provide it. I wonder how tricare works. |
| 18:08.18 | dataw0lf | my wisdom teeth were covered 75% |
| 18:08.35 | dataw0lf | with a already 50% discount (the surgeon owed my mom) |
| 18:13.13 | macnewbold | our insurance agent (who can sell dental insurance to us) actually told us to tell everyone to just get DentalSelect's $15/month Silver plan for their family. he has tried a ton of stuff and it was the best bang for the buck. |
| 18:13.24 | mgeary | yeah, probably true |
| 18:13.29 | macnewbold | it's a discount plan, not insurance, and the benefits apply immediately. |
| 18:13.46 | macnewbold | and there aren't limits in coverage etc. just a known discount that you'll get from a participating provider. |
| 18:14.31 | macnewbold | I bet it doesn't work too differently though - the dentist considers his participation as a marketing cost |
| 18:14.47 | macnewbold | I'm not sure dental select even pays the dentist much at all at those rates |
| 18:15.57 | beandog | macnewbold, they got rid of silver |
| 18:16.15 | macnewbold | ?!? |
| 18:16.24 | macnewbold | doh. I didn't get to sign up for it yet. |
| 18:19.11 | beandog | I used to have that one |
| 18:19.18 | beandog | I remember that like, no dentists supported it |
| 18:19.23 | beandog | they all did gold or platinum |
| 18:20.02 | beandog | Ive got something through my work, now, I have no idea what its even called. |
| 18:56.53 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 18:56.54 | jbot | keeps mailing olds free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 18:57.28 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrelL9fOjY |
| 19:03.06 | PoeticIntensity | just in case anyone is bored.... This is freaking hilarious. |
| 19:03.08 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.kontraband.co.uk/pics/16714/Funny-Exam-Papers/ |
| 19:04.51 | beandog | http://www.kontraband.co.uk/pics/16714/Funny-Exam-Papers/?gpage=7#show |
| 19:04.53 | beandog | lols |
| 19:06.44 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. .that one was funny. |
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| 19:13.21 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, darn you |
| 19:13.32 | beandog | that was successively distracting |
| 19:13.48 | PoeticIntensity | very much so..... |
| 19:14.53 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL !!! |
| 19:14.54 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.kontraband.co.uk/pics/16714/Funny-Exam-Papers/?gpage=28#show |
| 19:15.40 | PoeticIntensity | MAN..... I remember feeling that way, exactly in my first calculus class. |
| 19:16.10 | mgeary | i totally loved calculus |
| 19:16.16 | mgeary | wish i remembered any of it now |
| 19:16.23 | PoeticIntensity | oh, gosh... |
| 19:16.25 | mgeary | tons of real-world applicability |
| 19:16.32 | PoeticIntensity | thank heavens... |
| 19:16.53 | PoeticIntensity | I've never studied so hard for something, with such depressing results. |
| 19:16.58 | utahcon | sorry been out to lunch and peep wars |
| 19:17.16 | mgeary | utahcon: that's very close to my dentist |
| 19:17.34 | mgeary | however, he's offline, and probably out of the office, since he doesn't normally do Fridays |
| 19:17.38 | utahcon | I just went to Monarch, it's by my work. That was my fun lunch hour :D |
| 19:18.14 | mgeary | very handy to have your dentist on instant messager |
| 19:18.31 | mgeary | now if i could find a good car repair person to trade services with |
| 19:18.34 | utahcon | no kidding... I don't know of any dentists that do that |
| 19:19.05 | mgeary | many do... just not with you ;) ;) |
| 19:19.54 | utahcon | lol |
| 19:20.41 | Lone_Wanderer | It is an ancient sysadmin, and he stoppeth one of three. |
| 19:20.50 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/27/klipsch-hd-theater-500-5-1-channel-sound-system-hands-on/ |
| 19:21.01 | Lone_Wanderer | By thy long gray beard and glittering eye, now wherefore stopp'st thou me? |
| 19:22.27 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, looks great! |
| 19:22.39 | Lone_Wanderer | The Bridegroom's doors are opened wide, And I am next of kin; The guests are met, the LAN is set: May'st hear the merry din! |
| 19:22.41 | beandog | heh, I love that poem |
| 19:23.14 | Lone_Wanderer | He holds him with a skinny hand, 'There was a bug,' quoth he |
| 19:23.25 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/03/27/jane-elliotts-blue-eyesbrown-eyes-experiment-on-racism/ |
| 19:23.28 | beandog | okay *that* is cool. |
| 19:27.34 | Lone_Wanderer | "All of a sudden, disabled readers were reading." |
| 19:27.43 | beandog | yah I didnt get that part. |
| 19:27.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Not surprising to me. |
| 19:27.58 | beandog | oh |
| 19:27.59 | beandog | now I did. |
| 19:28.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I think half the reason people don't "get" things like reading is that they're afraid of it. |
| 19:28.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Especially reading in class - it's almost a performance, and the added anxiety doesn't help. |
| 19:30.31 | beandog | man |
| 19:30.35 | beandog | today has been the day of a hundred distractions |
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| 19:35.13 | Lone_Wanderer | If I want a page that loads with a "short" version, then has a "Read More" link that, when clicked, hides itself and displays the rest of the content.... |
| 19:35.20 | Lone_Wanderer | is there a quick and easy way to do that with JS? |
| 19:38.35 | mgeary | mostly |
| 19:39.03 | mgeary | the biggest issue is that people usually want something like that to auto-truncate in a space that is determined by the browser |
| 19:39.10 | mgeary | and that's tricky |
| 19:39.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, not a problem here. |
| 19:39.27 | mgeary | but if you know how much you want to show, then the rest is pretty straightforward |
| 19:39.29 | Lone_Wanderer | We're just doing two paragraphs and then putting the rest behind the "Show More" |
| 19:39.46 | mgeary | the only thing to decide is whether you load it all up front and simply hide it, or if you pull the "more" down dynamically via ajax |
| 19:40.03 | utahcon | I would load and just hide personally |
| 19:40.15 | mgeary | yeah, that's easiest |
| 19:40.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Load it all up front and hide it. |
| 19:40.29 | Lone_Wanderer | The only thing we don't want is a flash of unhidden content before JS kicks in. |
| 19:40.32 | Lone_Wanderer | JS/CSS |
| 19:41.28 | mgeary | well |
| 19:41.34 | mgeary | just set a display:none inline |
| 19:41.41 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 19:41.45 | mgeary | then it won't flash |
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| 19:50.40 | utahcon | alright... mapping is now done in the view... only took... all day. |
| 19:50.48 | utahcon | now to do the controller and models :D |
| 19:51.04 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 19:51.06 | macnewbold | what are you using? |
| 19:51.13 | utahcon | IDE? |
| 19:51.19 | utahcon | language? |
| 19:51.54 | brasto | fungus, i'm trying to find the discussion we had where you recommended rsnapshot for backups. I thought it was on uphpu or sllug mail list, but I can't find it in the archives. Do you remember which list it was on? |
| 19:53.48 | brasto | ah |
| 19:53.50 | brasto | found it |
| 19:53.53 | brasto | http://www.sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/2009-March/thread.html |
| 19:56.41 | utahcon | o rly? "a recent survey by KPMG shows that many people feel that out-of-work IT workers will be much more tempted to turn to criminal activities due to the down economy" http://bitly.com/weDJh |
| 19:57.33 | mgeary | or politicians |
| 19:57.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Right because IT workers are the most hardened, criminally minded people around. |
| 20:00.14 | utahcon | Unless they are referring to downloading music and movies, they are probably not right. |
| 20:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I buy weed on accident all the time. |
| 20:00.55 | orsonj | do you think someone will make an iphone app that will rob a bank for you? |
| 20:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Not just weed. Yesterday I was trying to order a Jr. Bacon Cheeseburger and accidentally got a pound of crack. |
| 20:01.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I will orsonj. |
| 20:01.26 | utahcon | Android has an app that will automatically start torrent downloads of movie barcodes you scan :D |
| 20:01.37 | Lone_Wanderer | XD |
| 20:02.26 | utahcon | unfortunately it costs $$$ so I won't be buying it... instead I will be replicating it with my own codes |
| 20:04.28 | dataw0lf | wait. who has ten pounds of weed? |
| 20:04.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I heard that iphones are going to be able to attach to random physical devices now, with a cable or bluetooth |
| 20:05.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I *could* have ten pounds of weed, dw, if I could get to Mexico. |
| 20:05.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I've heard they have poor quality stuff though. I'm not really familiar with the intricacies. |
| 20:06.29 | utahcon | apparently I do... but I don't know why |
| 20:07.54 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: yea but it'd be like 800 dollars. |
| 20:08.38 | dataw0lf | you could probably get 10 pounds for ~20,000 in Cali. |
| 20:08.45 | dataw0lf | well, you probably couldn't. |
| 20:09.04 | Lone_Wanderer | ...the value goes up that much just getting it across the border? |
| 20:10.03 | dataw0lf | No, the value goes up that much in the difference between Mexican dirt weed and California chronic. |
| 20:11.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, ok |
| 20:12.47 | dataw0lf | the 10 pounds of Mexican dirt weed would probably sell for 7500 in the U.S. |
| 20:12.59 | dataw0lf | if my drug math is correct |
| 20:13.01 | dataw0lf | and it usually is |
| 20:15.31 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:15.32 | beandog | I got stiffed. |
| 20:21.03 | mgeary | hahahahaha |
| 20:21.10 | mgeary | that was awesome, beandog |
| 20:21.35 | wps | twitter is stupid |
| 20:21.50 | wps | and I can say that with authority now |
| 20:22.03 | PoeticIntensity | eh'? what was awesome? |
| 20:22.25 | wps | after criticizing it for over a year (ever since it started becoming popular), I decided that I shouldn't knock it 'til I rock it |
| 20:22.32 | wps | so I signed up for a an account⦠|
| 20:22.37 | wps | follow ~50 people |
| 20:22.46 | wps | put the app on my iPhone |
| 20:22.51 | wps | checked it regularly |
| 20:22.55 | wps | and gave it a real effort |
| 20:23.03 | wps | what a complete waste of the internet |
| 20:24.44 | orsonj | have you tried facebook? |
| 20:24.51 | wps | nope |
| 20:25.02 | wps | I'm just going to keep knocking that one without rocking it :) |
| 20:25.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm considering cancelling facebook. |
| 20:25.22 | orsonj | I signed up for an account, so I could download a picture someone tried to send me. After not using it again for several weeks, I canceled it. |
| 20:25.42 | PoeticIntensity | man... Facebook is awesome for me. |
| 20:25.43 | Lone_Wanderer | my facebook account* |
| 20:25.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I can't cancel all of FB. |
| 20:25.53 | PoeticIntensity | I should have joined 2 years before I did... |
| 20:26.04 | PoeticIntensity | helps me keep in contact with people I lost decades ago... |
| 20:26.11 | PoeticIntensity | anyway... |
| 20:26.14 | PoeticIntensity | good stuff. |
| 20:26.19 | beandog | ~lost charlie |
| 20:26.27 | wps | I guess I'm just insensitive, but I don't care to stay in contact with people I know in high school :) |
| 20:26.29 | itimber | not Twitter |
| 20:26.32 | itimber | :) |
| 20:26.37 | orsonj | That part is ok, but I think it needs to decentralize |
| 20:26.54 | wps | I'm trying to become less connectedâ¦Â not more connected |
| 20:27.18 | orsonj | heh |
| 20:27.31 | itimber | FaceBook is trying to compete head to head with Twitter, per TWiT |
| 20:27.32 | itimber | :) |
| 20:27.45 | _psychic_ | dunno how you can do that if you work in a tech-related field |
| 20:28.15 | PoeticIntensity | heh... good point, _psychic_ |
| 20:28.29 | wps | well, why would I care that someone "just ate a sandwich" or "just boarded a plane"? |
| 20:28.33 | _psychic_ | Even if you don't use Twitter to tell everyone every time you visit the bathroom, it's still a great tool |
| 20:28.34 | wps | twitter is stupid |
| 20:28.43 | _psychic_ | you're missing the point |
| 20:28.48 | orsonj | If there were a standard api for sharing your email addressbook with other people, I think that would fill most of the utility of facebook |
| 20:28.49 | _psychic_ | that's probably why you have that perspective. |
| 20:29.13 | wps | wellâ¦Â I followed ~50 people and they didn't say a single worthwhile thing for twenty-four hours |
| 20:29.32 | beandog | you need chattier friends |
| 20:29.32 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_, I... uhh... don't see the point of twitter, either. |
| 20:29.36 | mgeary | that's not because twitter sucks. That's because people suck |
| 20:29.36 | orsonj | so, it is more of a push style rss feed. (in its more useful state?) |
| 20:29.37 | _psychic_ | I read 50 books and I hated all of them. Books suck. |
| 20:29.37 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, me neither. |
| 20:30.05 | itimber | I've found, that the main reason people pick one networking tool or another, is simply because of who is on there.... if your friends are on one network, and stay active, then it's a valuable network to ya |
| 20:30.15 | wps | even if people tried to post something worthwhile, there is only so mcuh you can say within the character limit |
| 20:30.19 | PoeticIntensity | I'm honestly curious as to what purpose twitter could have. Any enlightening details, _psychic_ ? |
| 20:30.31 | _psychic_ | I've found new friends, new jobs, and got questions answered |
| 20:30.39 | _psychic_ | it's a way to find what people are saying about someting |
| 20:30.46 | wps | if you have something worthwhile to say, I'd rather you flushed it out into a few paragraphs |
| 20:30.48 | _psychic_ | even if you don't use it yourself, it's a semantic data goldmine |
| 20:31.13 | PoeticIntensity | ahh... |
| 20:31.16 | _psychic_ | it's all in how you use it. |
| 20:31.21 | itimber | I've got a friend that uses Twitter to crack jokes about what her kids are doing throughout her day... super funny and it probably gives her an "adult" outlet |
| 20:31.28 | _psychic_ | I was doing so research on a new technology |
| 20:31.32 | _psychic_ | so I watched the tags for a while |
| 20:31.48 | _psychic_ | found some good resources, and made some good contacts, including the owners of the service |
| 20:32.21 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 20:32.26 | wps | well, I certainly don't the time to watch all those tweets fly by |
| 20:32.40 | PoeticIntensity | my first go-to force for answers is google. If I have a question, google has an answer 95% of the time. |
| 20:33.11 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: the nice thing with this setup is it allows you to stay *ahead* to some level |
| 20:33.13 | PoeticIntensity | maybe my ignorance is keeping me from understanding the value of twitter. |
| 20:33.34 | pirate| | PoeticIntensity: nope, there is no value in twitter. |
| 20:33.37 | _psychic_ | Like I said, you don't even have to be a registered user to get value from it. |
| 20:33.56 | orsonj | That, is a big plus |
| 20:34.04 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_, so... in a sense, if you have twitter feeds from people who are devs, what you're saying is that you could use those feeds to stay ahead of the curve? |
| 20:34.26 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: not even that. You can follow a keyword or phrase. |
| 20:34.42 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_, wow..... okay... that helps tons. |
| 20:34.43 | _psychic_ | You don't even have to know *who* to follow. |
| 20:35.15 | _psychic_ | Since I'm the cake team, it also helps me see how people react to our software |
| 20:35.16 | _psychic_ | rants |
| 20:35.18 | _psychic_ | kudos |
| 20:35.19 | _psychic_ | questions |
| 20:35.23 | beandog | wow, this site is *slow* |
| 20:35.25 | _psychic_ | same thing for my place here at work |
| 20:35.26 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_, I saw the value of blogging (and was actively doing so, albeit through the wrong channels) long before blogging was popular. |
| 20:35.45 | _psychic_ | It's not a far cry from blogging. |
| 20:36.00 | _psychic_ | And I enjoy the small format. Less is more. |
| 20:36.04 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... following keywords helps me see what you're talking about. |
| 20:36.14 | beandog | oh man |
| 20:36.18 | beandog | my mom just opened a FB acct |
| 20:36.19 | PoeticIntensity | hmm.. |
| 20:36.33 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for the explanation, _psychic_ |
| 20:36.42 | _psychic_ | np |
| 20:36.53 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.56 | dataw0lf | oops |
| 20:36.59 | beandog | /whois |
| 20:37.07 | dataw0lf | Ah, there we go. |
| 20:37.58 | beandog | and a PSN directory |
| 20:38.05 | wps | couldn't you just see who is following @uphpu ? |
| 20:38.10 | wps | PSN? |
| 20:38.12 | pirate| | dataw0lf: same as undertakingyou |
| 20:38.17 | dataw0lf | pirate|: Yea, I figured that out. |
| 20:38.18 | beandog | wps, playstation network |
| 20:38.21 | wps | ah |
| 20:38.25 | pirate| | I had to ghost myself |
| 20:39.15 | wps | my kid is old enough now that 1 box of mac-n-cheese is not enoughâ¦Â she eats and there isn't enough left for me |
| 20:39.57 | beandog | oh man |
| 20:40.05 | beandog | this CAPTCHA has a 7/8 in there |
| 20:40.15 | beandog | oh |
| 20:40.16 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_, any clues to good Linux twitter apps? |
| 20:40.17 | beandog | maybe thats % |
| 20:40.33 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: I use an AIR app, and I think it'll run on Linux |
| 20:41.03 | _psychic_ | Twhirl, it's called. |
| 20:41.24 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: like it more than TweetDeck? |
| 20:41.43 | _psychic_ | I think so, but they're pretty close |
| 20:41.53 | dataw0lf | hmmm. word. |
| 20:41.59 | dataw0lf | what's your twitter id, btw? |
| 20:42.07 | _psychic_ | @raisinbread, you? |
| 20:42.14 | dataw0lf | @stderr |
| 20:42.24 | dataw0lf | don't use it much, been trying to use it more though |
| 20:44.14 | SunSparc | I have used both Twhirl and Tweetdeck. I stuck with Tweetdeck. They are both nice, but for some reason, Tweetdeck seemed to fit me more. Perhaps because I used it first. |
| 20:45.35 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: done much ObjC? |
| 20:46.10 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: just played with it. |
| 20:46.25 | _psychic_ | gotcha |
| 20:46.34 | dataw0lf | you? |
| 20:46.40 | _psychic_ | Just getting started |
| 20:46.41 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: @SunSparc? |
| 20:46.58 | dataw0lf | Yea, I've been just getting started for like 6 months, hehe, I keep getting sidetracked. |
| 20:47.03 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: I know, hard for me to hide ;) |
| 20:47.09 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: haha |
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| 21:12.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm tempted to respond to the twitter email with "I just want to let everyone know that I'm flossing right now.\n\n\n\nNow I'm throwing the floss in the garbage.\n\n\n\nDangit, I missed a tooth. It's the top left molar, second from the back." |
| 21:18.08 | Lone_Wanderer | My gym got new kettlebells. |
| 21:22.38 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: not on twitter then, I take it? |
| 21:30.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Nope. |
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| 21:34.01 | utahcon | doh! |
| 21:40.11 | mgeary | 'course, my 6-year-old is precocious. She twitters already |
| 21:40.22 | Lone_Wanderer | That's tragic. |
| 21:40.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wait - which kind of twitter? |
| 21:40.40 | mgeary | the non-tragic kind ;) |
| 21:41.18 | Lone_Wanderer | good :) |
| 21:46.09 | wps | mgeary, my connoisseur of fine candies friend⦠|
| 21:46.18 | wps | you like Sunburst jelly beans? |
| 21:46.25 | mgeary | starburst, you mean? |
| 21:46.29 | wps | oops |
| 21:46.32 | wps | yes, starburst |
| 21:46.42 | wps | me wife just brought some home |
| 21:46.46 | wps | they rock |
| 21:46.50 | mgeary | i think they're decent. I'd give 'em a 7 out of 10 |
| 21:46.59 | mgeary | a nice change from Jelly Bellies now and then |
| 21:47.08 | wps | JBs are too weird |
| 21:47.15 | wps | too many strange flavors |
| 21:47.19 | mgeary | no way |
| 21:58.20 | dataw0lf | JBs are teh awesome. |
| 21:58.30 | mgeary | esp. Pear |
| 21:58.32 | mgeary | and Kiwi |
| 21:58.48 | mgeary | but the cinnamon ones rock. ... and many others |
| 21:59.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Jelly Bellies are fantastic. |
| 22:00.15 | mgeary | but those pear ones... they even capture the grittiness of pears. lovely |
| 22:10.25 | wps | "lovely" :) |
| 22:10.58 | mgeary | Arnold Lobel's Small Pig++ |
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| 22:19.31 | _psychic_ | http://meadeskeltonmusic.blogspot.com/2009/03/stay-away-from-twitter.html |
| 22:22.45 | DexterTheDragon | someone needs a tinfoil hat |
| 22:23.41 | _psychic_ | so funny |
| 22:24.29 | DexterTheDragon | I like the fact that he thinks twitter is evil for keeping track of what he posts |
| 22:24.34 | DexterTheDragon | yet he's using blogger |
| 22:26.06 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 22:26.33 | bradym | yeah, i was about to post a comment to that effect, but i didn't want my info being logged in the tubes ;) |
| 22:27.52 | bradym | anybody know if there's a mysql setting that limits the number of rows that will be inserted by a select ... into statement? |
| 22:28.08 | _psychic_ | are you getting an error? |
| 22:28.39 | bradym | nope, but there's data missing and i'm trying to figure out why |
| 22:29.03 | bradym | when i run the select statement alone, it looks as expected... but when the select into statement is run, it leaves stuff out |
| 22:29.18 | DexterTheDragon | pastebin it |
| 22:30.39 | bradym | ~pastebin |
| 22:30.40 | jbot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:31.34 | bradym | http://rafb.net/p/lpCnVl70.html |
| 22:32.23 | DexterTheDragon | try SELECT DISTINCT prog.id, cat.id |
| 22:32.25 | DexterTheDragon | ack |
| 22:32.41 | DexterTheDragon | try SELECT DISTINCT prog.id as program, cat.id as category |
| 22:32.43 | DexterTheDragon | that |
| 22:34.50 | herlo | omg uphpu is now on twitter oh noes!! |
| 22:36.47 | bradym | D |
| 22:37.09 | bradym | DexterTheDragon: checking again, it looks like the query works just fine... must be something else causing the problem |
| 22:37.12 | bradym | thanks |
| 22:37.35 | bradym | hmm.. maybe my script ended early for some reason |
| 22:37.54 | fungus | WTF, that blogger about twitter is a paranoid freak. |
| 22:38.49 | fungus | lol |
| 22:38.56 | fungus | ~logs |
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| 22:39.51 | DexterTheDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.57 | fungus | The author thinks he can just delete his blog entry if he wants to. LOL |
| 22:40.19 | fungus | He hasn't heard about google or archive.org apparently |
| 22:41.18 | macnewbold | yeah, people who think that you can unsay something once you've said it, especially on the web, haven't really thought things through |
| 22:43.53 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 22:53.00 | SunSparc | Night all! Have a great weekend! |
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