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| 15:59.57 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 17:34.37 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: blew up is one description... obliterated is another |
| 17:34.41 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 17:34.41 | jbot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, macnewbold!" and lops off macnewbold's head |
| 17:34.41 | unum | peru's main export used to be bat poop |
| 17:34.52 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 17:34.52 | jbot | takes out mindjuju with the trash |
| 17:34.55 | utahcon | ~seen fungus |
| 17:34.56 | jbot | fungus is currently on #udbug #uphpu, last said: 'lol, that's another way around it. '. |
| 17:35.15 | Lone_Wanderer | It's good to have you back, jbot. |
| 17:35.18 | unum | the bat poop was used for explosives |
| 17:35.23 | Lone_Wanderer | It still is. |
| 17:35.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe not for industrial grade stuff, but bat and bird poop makes a good source of phosphates and nitrates. |
| 17:35.53 | macnewbold | yep, it's a main ingredient in gun powder, along with saltpeter |
| 17:36.03 | unum | not as much as it used now they can synthesize it |
| 17:36.18 | Lone_Wanderer | There's an island in the pacific that was pretty much nothing but fossilized seagull crap. |
| 17:36.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, someone found this out and offered them a mining contract. |
| 17:36.49 | Lone_Wanderer | This tiny little sleepy island in the Pacific all of a sudden gets offered trillions of dollars. |
| 17:36.56 | Lone_Wanderer | You can imagine what happened next. |
| 17:38.07 | macnewbold | someone blew it up? |
| 17:38.29 | Lone_Wanderer | They took the money, let their island get mined into oblivion, spent all the money on frivolous crap, and now nothing's left but a ripped up pile of rocks that nothing will grow on. |
| 17:38.34 | mindjuju | they sold it and moved to beverly hills |
| 17:38.43 | unum | peru has many islands of it's coast that are nothing but guano |
| 17:38.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Basically the equivalent of Lindsay Lohan, only with an island. |
| 17:38.52 | macnewbold | man, if we could lease out the rights to the pigeon poop filling our back alleyway, we could make a bundle |
| 17:38.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Destroyed by drugs, money and fame. |
| 17:39.00 | macnewbold | right now they just use the alley for photoshoots |
| 17:40.58 | mindjuju | is nothing sacred? I mean, really! - http://indiefilm.movies.yahoo.com/article-9-/ |
| 17:42.22 | Lone_Wanderer | That's sick and wrong. |
| 17:42.58 | SunSparc | I think Penn's only good movie was The Game. |
| 17:43.02 | mindjuju | htough carey as curly could be funny |
| 17:43.09 | mindjuju | sunsparc, he's good in that too |
| 17:43.25 | mindjuju | but i think the plot makes the movie, not penn |
| 17:43.53 | SunSparc | I agree, I dislike Penn in just about every way possible. That movie was freaky, but I enjoyed it. |
| 17:44.31 | fungus | Penn has done a ton of good movies. |
| 17:44.53 | mindjuju | meh |
| 17:45.02 | fungus | Mystic River, Milk, I Am Sam, etc |
| 17:45.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I just think it's wrong that they're trying to redo the stooges. |
| 17:45.59 | mgeary | Mystic River was good |
| 17:46.02 | fungus | The Game, Dead Man Walking, Carlito's Way, Colors |
| 17:46.06 | mgeary | in a sad, creepy way |
| 17:46.22 | fungus | Totally. |
| 17:46.44 | mgeary | speaking of creepy, i took the kids to Coraline the other day. It was good, but somewhat dark and creepy |
| 17:47.53 | fungus | I really want to though. |
| 17:47.58 | mgeary | it's good |
| 17:48.11 | itimber | is there an option in wget so that you can just specify a dir, and it'll download everything in that dir?? |
| 17:48.23 | Lone_Wanderer | -r? |
| 17:49.55 | fungus | -r isn't a whole directory, but a recursive download of all links on the destination page. |
| 17:50.10 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 17:50.52 | itimber | exactly |
| 17:50.56 | itimber | had tried that |
| 17:51.09 | itimber | just dies cause there's no index.html |
| 17:51.13 | mgeary | where's beandog?? |
| 17:51.19 | Dezertol | but you can do wget http://domain.com/dir |
| 17:51.28 | Dezertol | with -r |
| 17:51.31 | fungus | -r is great for cheap attempts to mirror a site |
| 17:51.54 | fungus | itimber: If you have indexes turned on in a directory -r will download the whole dir. |
| 17:52.40 | itimber | ah |
| 17:52.50 | itimber | is there a way if indexes is turned off? |
| 17:52.55 | fungus | nope |
| 17:53.01 | itimber | right on |
| 17:53.08 | itimber | that makes sense |
| 17:53.28 | fungus | w/o indexes it is impossible for any external entity to enumerate the files in a directory. |
| 17:53.36 | itimber | gotcha |
| 17:53.47 | itimber | so, would scp be a better bet.... |
| 17:53.55 | itimber | if I'm not wanting to turn on indexes? |
| 17:54.05 | itimber | or add an index file |
| 17:54.06 | fungus | You could hack an index |
| 17:54.25 | fungus | index.php that walks the dir, and puts up links. :) |
| 17:54.26 | itimber | how's that? |
| 17:55.19 | itimber | by doing that, anyone can see the file list in a browser.... |
| 17:55.25 | fungus | yup |
| 17:55.28 | fungus | so does indexes |
| 17:55.32 | DexterTheDragon | scp would be a way better idea if you have access |
| 17:55.35 | itimber | which is why I don't have an index file or indexes turned on |
| 17:55.45 | fungus | hehe |
| 17:55.53 | fungus | Then use scp |
| 17:55.56 | itimber | ya..... will have to go that route for this task |
| 17:55.57 | fungus | or rsync |
| 17:56.02 | macnewbold | rsync++ |
| 17:56.03 | SunSparc | ~rsync++ |
| 17:56.16 | itimber | hmmm.... might have to do rsync |
| 17:56.28 | itimber | didn't wps make a nice simple tutorial on rsync once?? |
| 17:56.33 | fungus | The steps to complete on the server for scp are the same as rsync |
| 17:56.40 | fungus | rsync just uses ssh, just like scp |
| 17:57.53 | Dezertol | rsync -arpvzhOPL --modify-window=1 /backup/cvsroot -e "ssh -i /home/toph/.ssh/id_dsa" 192.168.0.30:/mnt/share/toph/ |
| 17:57.59 | Dezertol | that's my rsync line for my cvsroot |
| 17:58.08 | Dezertol | if it helps ya at all |
| 17:58.58 | fungus | -a implies -rp |
| 17:59.41 | fungus | and -P implies -v |
| 18:00.17 | itimber | appreciate it Dezertol |
| 18:00.22 | Dezertol | ya.. I admit.. I didn't even read what they do.. Just copied it form someone elses example |
| 18:01.05 | fungus | and if you are logged in as toph already, the entire -e "ssh -i /home/toph/.ssh/id_dsa" is unnecessary |
| 18:01.54 | Dezertol | treid it with out the -i and it cried at me |
| 18:02.35 | fungus | -e ssh is the default |
| 18:02.42 | Dezertol | it's on a cront task |
| 18:02.45 | Dezertol | so I'm not running it as "logged in user" |
| 18:02.50 | fungus | and ssh grabs ~/.ssh/id_dsa by default |
| 18:03.03 | fungus | ok, then it makes sense. |
| 18:03.16 | fungus | But it would be cleaner to just copy the ssh key to /root/.ssh/ |
| 18:03.43 | Dezertol | I flat refues to enable ssh "root" access on anything |
| 18:04.16 | Dezertol | so the rsync runs as my local user |
| 18:04.25 | fungus | is the local user toph? |
| 18:04.46 | Dezertol | correct |
| 18:04.58 | fungus | then you don't need the -e command at all. |
| 18:05.09 | Dezertol | the job runs as root |
| 18:05.20 | Dezertol | er.. |
| 18:05.22 | Dezertol | no it doest |
| 18:05.26 | fungus | hehe |
| 18:05.28 | Dezertol | umm.. |
| 18:05.29 | Dezertol | ok |
| 18:05.50 | Dezertol | i'll have to play with that |
| 18:05.52 | Dezertol | and try it |
| 18:06.02 | Dezertol | like I said.. I just copied it from another's example |
| 18:06.09 | fungus | If it runs as root, copy the id_dsa to /root/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 18:06.10 | Dezertol | and it worked so I just "assumed it was ok" |
| 18:06.22 | Dezertol | the cron job runs as toph |
| 18:06.25 | Dezertol | i just confirmed that |
| 18:06.34 | Dezertol | by check where it's gettin called rom |
| 18:06.58 | Dezertol | it's jsut a cront entry on the toph users |
| 18:07.03 | Dezertol | crontab |
| 18:07.06 | fungus | ok, then you can reduce the command to rsync -azhOPL --modify-window=1 /backup/cvsroot 192.168.0.30:/mnt/share/toph/ |
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| 18:07.31 | utahcon | that was neat |
| 18:07.43 | utahcon | my pidgin just crashed, restarted, crashed, and restarted again. |
| 18:07.59 | fungus | Anyways. I'm a bit anal retentive. |
| 18:08.30 | Dezertol | yep |
| 18:08.34 | Dezertol | it works just fine |
| 18:08.52 | Dezertol | thanks for the cleaner version |
| 18:09.23 | fungus | You might even be able to remove the modify-window and other options depending on what you are actually trying to sync. |
| 18:09.43 | Dezertol | it's just my csvroot |
| 18:09.50 | Dezertol | I jsut need a good clean backup of it |
| 18:09.58 | Dezertol | in case the box dies |
| 18:10.03 | Dezertol | I'd cry if I lost my cvsroot |
| 18:10.34 | fungus | is the destination on the same LAN or across a WAN? |
| 18:10.36 | Dezertol | it doesn't get modified at all on the backup |
| 18:10.47 | Dezertol | no local |
| 18:10.55 | Dezertol | just a different system in my rack |
| 18:11.04 | Dezertol | that has it's own backup |
| 18:11.08 | fungus | then you could go as simple as "rsync -av source destination" |
| 18:11.08 | Dezertol | that is delt |
| 18:12.08 | Dezertol | LOL that's exactly what I have at work |
| 18:12.14 | Dezertol | on my system here that I backup |
| 18:12.21 | Dezertol | 10 6 * * * rsync -av /home/toph/Projects /mnt/backup/Backups |
| 18:12.23 | Dezertol | lol |
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| 18:12.36 | fungus | yup, super simple, and clean. |
| 18:12.42 | fungus | makes me smile. |
| 18:13.05 | Dezertol | that's funy that I was running both in to different places. |
| 18:13.21 | Dezertol | now I need to yell at the guy that gave me the long one |
| 18:14.02 | fungus | well, some of those options are good for some situations. |
| 18:15.10 | fungus | -z across a WAN, modify-window running from a FAT, -P watching progress actively, etc |
| 18:15.29 | mgeary | you know, what's the point of having a channel if all you're going to do is grump when people ask questions that might be easy for you? |
| 18:15.59 | DexterTheDragon | I thought that was the point of a channel |
| 18:16.05 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:16.16 | mgeary | i'm on #Mplayer, it's dead quiet, and yet when i ask a few newbie questions, all i get are people wanting me to find things out on my own |
| 18:16.25 | DexterTheDragon | ya know RTFM and google, all that stuff |
| 18:17.31 | mgeary | i guess i just don't mind if someone here asks an easy/dumb question. Expecting the same from other channels is apparently unrealistic |
| 18:20.16 | Dezertol | lol so I told the guy that gave me the rsync line |
| 18:20.38 | Dezertol | he cried saynig that he uses a none password user to do the backups |
| 18:21.07 | Dezertol | but that was his only gripe |
| 18:21.29 | Dezertol | I would imagin that it would still work the same |
| 18:24.30 | itimber | :) |
| 18:24.47 | itimber | higher than I'd like to admit, eh |
| 18:31.00 | Dezertol | there are 4 classifications of people.. http://www.maxxmktg.com/unconscious-com.html |
| 18:32.12 | Dezertol | at any given moment.. that is |
| 18:33.01 | Dezertol | I think I fall in to the CI "Consciously Incompetent" in most things |
| 18:33.16 | Dezertol | at least.. in most things.. I know how much I don't know |
| 18:33.28 | Dezertol | or at least.. reconize that I know nothing about it |
| 18:43.36 | unum | there was a study done that show that the more competent you are the more likely are to underrate your abilities and vice versa |
| 18:43.50 | unum | which really makes me terrified about how badly I must sing |
| 18:46.03 | Dezertol | but isn't that a comparitive statement.... like I'm sure you sing better then say.. a monkey or a can of tuna fish |
| 18:46.50 | unum | I think most people rather listen to the can of tuna |
| 18:47.01 | Dezertol | hehe |
| 18:47.17 | orsonj | ah, the sweet sound of tuna |
| 18:47.38 | unum | orsonj: esk once told me not come back to stake choir practice |
| 18:47.46 | orsonj | wait, that's probably my stomach complaining |
| 18:47.50 | unum | the worst part is he pressured me to go in the first place |
| 18:47.56 | Dezertol | lol |
| 18:47.58 | Dezertol | nice |
| 18:48.17 | Dezertol | that is one thing I dislike about all groups in general |
| 18:48.27 | orsonj | I need to finish setting up this network before I go get lunch :( |
| 18:48.27 | Dezertol | the "pressure to do one thing or another" |
| 18:51.13 | orsonj | Profit! |
| 18:52.17 | Dezertol | guess I'll go to lunch |
| 18:52.18 | orsonj | now, I get the unfortunant reminder of Twilight |
| 18:52.49 | Dezertol | didn't read or see it |
| 18:53.21 | orsonj | or at least hear it in the background |
| 18:54.17 | itimber | anyone know if Authorize.net have a "Vaulting" service? |
| 18:54.21 | orsonj | The one guy reminded me of Sylar in Heros |
| 18:54.26 | mgeary | itimber: what do you mean? |
| 18:55.36 | itimber | where I can store the card details on an auth.net server and store only a token on mine |
| 18:57.09 | fungus | Sylar == Spock |
| 19:02.24 | DexterTheDragon | itimber: yes |
| 19:02.39 | DexterTheDragon | itimber: http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/merchantservices/cim/ |
| 19:02.42 | itimber | what's it called? |
| 19:02.44 | itimber | oh, thx |
| 19:03.06 | itimber | couldn't find anything under "Vault" and such |
| 19:04.57 | mgeary | itimber: yes |
| 19:04.59 | mgeary | we do that |
| 19:05.06 | mgeary | it's got some quirks |
| 19:05.13 | mgeary | took a fair bit of coding around |
| 19:05.13 | itimber | like what? |
| 19:05.20 | itimber | :/ |
| 19:05.23 | itimber | sucks |
| 19:05.32 | mgeary | i'll have to remember, we've abstracted it, so they aren't as big a deal any more |
| 19:05.56 | mgeary | one thing is that you cannot do refunds through the CIM interface. You have to do it through the AIM interface |
| 19:06.19 | mgeary | also, when updating a profile, there are (or were) some real screwy things |
| 19:12.09 | itimber | did you start w/ their sample code? |
| 19:12.32 | mgeary | not really. we referred to it, but we wrote classes from scratch |
| 19:12.37 | mgeary | their stuff was all procedural code |
| 19:12.44 | mgeary | we've got some nice classes now |
| 19:12.55 | mgeary | handles all kinds of things |
| 19:13.38 | itimber | LOL |
| 19:14.08 | itimber | I'm doing a small site for my mom-in-law.... you know how those go, right? |
| 19:14.15 | auth_net_ninja | ~console itimber |
| 19:14.16 | jbot | ACTION gives itimber the consolation moose |
| 19:14.39 | auth_net_ninja | you should think seriously about using something like yahoo stores or whatever |
| 19:14.52 | itimber | are your classes versatile enough that I could use them? and what favors would I have to do to get that code? |
| 19:14.55 | auth_net_ninja | the whole deal of getting a cert, getting a merchant account, paying the fees, it can be a hassle |
| 19:14.57 | itimber | yahoo stores?? |
| 19:15.08 | auth_net_ninja | doesn't yahoo have a storefront thingy? |
| 19:15.16 | auth_net_ninja | or ebay, or whomever |
| 19:15.19 | itimber | google does |
| 19:15.32 | itimber | but I think it's similar to Paypal |
| 19:15.32 | auth_net_ninja | i'm just trying to say that these off-the-shelf solutions may be less pain |
| 19:16.00 | redroy | Has anyone every used a php encoder? Like Zend Encoder? |
| 19:16.09 | auth_net_ninja | i've used apc |
| 19:16.11 | redroy | or Zend Guard rather |
| 19:16.22 | auth_net_ninja | itimber: is it a one-page checkout deal, or do you need a cart as well? |
| 19:16.42 | itimber | one page checkout..... but |
| 19:16.42 | auth_net_ninja | redroy: i've also used SourceGuardian |
| 19:16.58 | itimber | I need to store the card to be run at a later date |
| 19:17.02 | redroy | I've never done encoding before... does it mess with performance? |
| 19:17.12 | auth_net_ninja | redroy: no |
| 19:17.29 | orsonj | well, isn't it supposed to mess with performance in a good way |
| 19:17.30 | mgeary | itimber: is this a subscription kind of deal? |
| 19:17.39 | mgeary | orsonj: yeah, i think so |
| 19:17.45 | redroy | auth_net_ninja: thanks! |
| 19:17.54 | itimber | not quite..... more of a pre-order |
| 19:17.59 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:18.20 | itimber | can pre-order up to 1 yr in advance |
| 19:18.23 | itimber | *shrug |
| 19:18.50 | orsonj | so, like the place I work. you take their card info, order an item, then if there are no problems with the order, charge their card and ship it out |
| 19:19.08 | itimber | something like that |
| 19:19.28 | orsonj | except instead of a vault I think we use sticky notes |
| 19:20.15 | itimber | say there's an event in Dec, and you want to order tickets.... but on this site, instead of paying now, and going to the event in Dec, you reserve the tickets w/ a card, and then in Dec, it charges your card, and mails you the tickets |
| 19:20.45 | itimber | that's an analogy, not the real idea |
| 19:21.05 | itimber | my mom-in-law is a little paranoid about people stealing the idea.... so I'm sworn to secrecy |
| 19:21.07 | itimber | LOL |
| 19:21.10 | itimber | love that huh |
| 19:21.25 | itimber | orsonj: that's funny |
| 19:21.39 | itimber | now where was Mr. Jones' post-it?!?! |
| 19:22.03 | orsonj | fortunantly, we are getting a new system in a couple months. It can't be any worse than the current system, and hopefully is better. |
| 19:22.18 | unum | I once read a thing about starting your own business, and it said to quit worrying so much about your idea. because once start other people can steal it anyways. the trick is the run the best company using an idea. not to have the best idea |
| 19:22.39 | itimber | yes |
| 19:22.41 | unum | s/best/original |
| 19:22.44 | itimber | I'm with ya 100% |
| 19:23.02 | unum | but it's hard for other to get that hunh? |
| 19:23.15 | itimber | but try telling your mother-in-law that she's crazy, and tell me where you get with that one |
| 19:23.15 | unum | I've met many people the same way and you can't convince |
| 19:23.18 | unum | them |
| 19:23.32 | itimber | fo sho |
| 19:23.36 | unum | itimber: in that relatioship it's really true |
| 19:23.41 | unum | from what I've heard :) |
| 19:23.53 | itimber | i assure you... it's true |
| 19:24.35 | itimber | hehe |
| 19:25.10 | mgeary | itimber: anyway, that kind of thing is certainly posisble |
| 19:25.27 | itimber | Yahoo's e-commerce solution: http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/ecommerce/?p=PASSPORT&s_fptrough=ms_acq_sellonline_20081101 |
| 19:25.37 | mgeary | we have a subscription member site with thousands of automated transactions a month |
| 19:27.25 | itimber | I have a bag of Dorito's |
| 19:27.34 | itimber | and another RockStar in the fridge |
| 19:28.11 | itimber | LOL |
| 19:28.55 | itimber | I think I'll have better luck telling my mother-in-law that she's crazy than pulling a BMW 3-series out of my hat |
| 19:29.03 | itimber | :) |
| 19:30.07 | mindjuju | itimber, is this the kind of dorito chips that you have? http://failblog.org/2009/03/15/doritos-bag-fail/ |
| 19:32.51 | mindjuju | i need to find me a bag of chips like that |
| 19:34.24 | tierra | is that even a doritos bag? |
| 19:34.29 | tierra | I don't believe that it is |
| 19:34.37 | mindjuju | prolly know, but its cool |
| 19:34.53 | itimber | mindjuju: LOL... nope, not that bag |
| 19:38.30 | PoeticIntensity | not sure about the whole "telling your mother-in-law she's crazy" thing... |
| 19:38.35 | PoeticIntensity | I've done it many times. |
| 19:38.40 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 19:38.52 | itimber | ~PoeticIntensity++ |
| 19:39.10 | PoeticIntensity | well.... I really don't care much for our relationship, either... |
| 19:39.11 | PoeticIntensity | so... |
| 19:39.39 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 19:39.42 | PoeticIntensity | hahaha... |
| 19:39.52 | itimber | hehe |
| 19:40.11 | PoeticIntensity | nah... I just don't lie down and roll over too easily... |
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| 19:50.35 | utahcon | loud music... dark rooms... no lag on the network... |
| 19:50.38 | utahcon | it is a dream come true |
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| 21:34.41 | undertakingyou | Is there any way to see why a CSS property is not being inherited? |
| 21:37.14 | Lone_Wanderer1 | undertakingyou: I highly recommend trying out Firebug. |
| 21:38.33 | undertakingyou | I used firebug. |
| 21:38.42 | undertakingyou | And when I add the stuff I want manually in firebug it works. |
| 21:38.53 | undertakingyou | But when I have it in my stylesheet it doesn't inherit. |
| 21:39.11 | undertakingyou | Lone_Wanderer1: I agree, firebug is awesome. |
| 21:39.13 | Lone_Wanderer1 | And Firebug doesn't show you why it's not inheriting? |
| 21:39.47 | mgeary | undertakingyou: Safari+++++ |
| 21:39.49 | Lone_Wanderer1 | With right-click, inspect element? Usually it shows the higher-up ones crossed out, and you can see in the more specific section what it's been replaced by. |
| 21:39.54 | mgeary | safari shows that |
| 21:39.55 | undertakingyou | No, when I select the element firebug shows what it gets. |
| 21:40.02 | undertakingyou | But not why it doesn't get it. |
| 21:40.14 | mgeary | Safari..... :) |
| 21:40.23 | undertakingyou | So I have #content {with stuff} and I have #content img {with stuff} |
| 21:40.39 | undertakingyou | And the img does not get the stuff. |
| 21:40.44 | undertakingyou | mgeary: :), noted. |
| 21:41.35 | Lone_Wanderer1 | Ohh, is Safari available on Windows? |
| 21:42.06 | undertakingyou | Yeah. |
| 21:42.09 | undertakingyou | It is on windows. |
| 21:42.23 | undertakingyou | But I use Linux, and running it under wine is painfully slow. |
| 21:42.57 | Lone_Wanderer1 | vmware? |
| 21:43.06 | Lone_Wanderer1 | (That's going to be my first purchase when I start getting paid.) |
| 21:43.11 | Lone_Wanderer1 | What's MBP? |
| 21:43.14 | undertakingyou | mgeary: I have a macbook pro |
| 21:43.20 | undertakingyou | I run linux on it :) |
| 21:43.23 | Lone_Wanderer1 | ahh |
| 21:43.35 | dataw0lf | wh... why would you run Linux on a Macbook? |
| 21:43.50 | undertakingyou | Because running anything but linux makes the baby jesus cry. |
| 21:43.59 | undertakingyou | I don't want a flame war |
| 21:44.01 | dataw0lf | yea, that's why I use OS X. |
| 21:44.13 | undertakingyou | I just can't figure out why the img is not getting the CSS. |
| 21:44.33 | undertakingyou | If I add the same line in a style="" within the image element it works right. |
| 21:44.49 | dataw0lf | is the CSS in a separate file? |
| 21:44.51 | DexterTheDragon | undertakingyou: pastebin the relevent html and css |
| 21:45.39 | undertakingyou | Side question: Is there a way to pastebin directly from vim. That would make life easier. |
| 21:45.45 | dataw0lf | if the CSS is in a separate file, check for aggressive cachine, zie greatest sin of Firefox. |
| 21:46.09 | herlo | undertakingyou: if you have gnome-do, you can install the pastebin plugin |
| 21:46.38 | herlo | highlight what you want, hit gnome-do, type paste and hit enter, a few seconds later gnome-do provides you a link :) |
| 21:47.04 | mgeary | undertakingyou: if you can post a link, those of us with real desktop OS' could take a look |
| 21:47.27 | herlo | mgeary: tell me, what is a *real* desktop OS, I dare ya! |
| 21:47.32 | undertakingyou | http://pastebin.com/d7f6e2fbc |
| 21:47.55 | herlo | mgeary: I double, no I *triple* dog dare you! |
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| 21:48.22 | dataw0lf | undertakingyou: missing ":" |
| 21:48.29 | dataw0lf | line 15. |
| 21:48.36 | beandog | alright, trot out the ladies |
| 21:49.01 | undertakingyou | :/ its either that or a semi-colon every time |
| 21:49.05 | undertakingyou | thanks dataw0lf |
| 21:49.09 | dataw0lf | np |
| 21:49.22 | undertakingyou | herlo: vim doesn't allow copy. |
| 21:49.40 | herlo | undertakingyou: gvim does... |
| 21:49.48 | beandog | undertakingyou, what do you mean |
| 21:50.02 | DexterTheDragon | gvim is an abomination |
| 21:50.36 | dataw0lf | how is gvim an abomination. |
| 21:50.47 | undertakingyou | At least with my vimrc. If I highlight something it is in visual mode. And no copy, no paste, etc. |
| 21:53.27 | mgeary | herlo: you are welcome to use Linux as a Desktop OS. It doesn't hurt me at all if you do, but i think there is a huge abundance of evidence that suggests that OS X is a better desktop solution |
| 21:53.42 | dataw0lf | http://truedat.org/code/ why hello git integration. |
| 21:53.45 | beandog | better is subjective |
| 21:53.56 | mgeary | not really |
| 21:53.57 | beandog | more popular is unarguable. |
| 21:54.38 | mgeary | there's a reason for the popularity, but it's not just that |
| 21:54.40 | undertakingyou | yeah, beandog is right. better is subjective. |
| 21:54.45 | mgeary | after all, Windows is more popular than OS X |
| 21:54.47 | undertakingyou | I used mac os X for a month. |
| 21:54.48 | herlo | mgeary: name 347 reasons |
| 21:54.55 | undertakingyou | Liked linux better. |
| 21:55.05 | mgeary | undertakingyou: and that's fine. Like i say, i don't care |
| 21:55.21 | beandog | herlo, lol |
| 21:55.23 | macnewbold | w00t for FreeBSD |
| 21:55.24 | herlo | mgeary: don't knock it if you can't prove it and your argument can't be proved :) |
| 21:55.25 | dataw0lf | I've used Linux extensively for over fourteen years and finally got converted to OS X and haven't looked back. |
| 21:55.48 | herlo | ~knock mgeary |
| 21:55.56 | beandog | mgeary, more popular, maybe, but not necessarily by decision |
| 21:55.59 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I hear ya... if the choice were mine and money were no object, my next laptop would be OS X fo sho |
| 21:56.03 | herlo | ~thump mgeary |
| 21:56.04 | jbot | ACTION thumps mgeary in the ear with a brick! |
| 21:56.05 | dataw0lf | There isn't anything in Linux that isn't available in OS X unless you're doing crazy kernel hackery. |
| 21:56.09 | undertakingyou | Regardless, can we just agree at least it isn't windows? |
| 21:56.15 | herlo | heh |
| 21:56.17 | beandog | mmm, windows |
| 21:56.21 | mgeary | undertakingyou: i'm not trying to convert anyone |
| 21:56.34 | herlo | beandog: do you eat windows or something? :) |
| 21:56.37 | undertakingyou | me neither, I'm just tired of the silly conversation. |
| 21:56.52 | mgeary | but look at the 10 smartest people you know, and tell me how many of them use Macs |
| 21:56.54 | undertakingyou | Not that it matters. |
| 21:56.56 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: true that, I got a Mac Pro at work and a black macbook now, plus an iMac at home, <3 them. |
| 21:56.57 | fungus | but this channel is all about silly. |
| 21:57.07 | macnewbold | ~silly fungus |
| 21:57.11 | herlo | mgeary: 0 of them |
| 21:57.15 | dataw0lf | undertakingyou: I just want you to explain why you choose Linux over OS X (on Apple hardware) |
| 21:57.25 | mgeary | herlo: that's because all you know are gophers and squirrels |
| 21:57.28 | dataw0lf | I can't think of a proper argument from any sort of technical perspective. |
| 21:57.29 | beandog | I have the same answer when its comes to people who argue over linux distros -- whatever works best for you is the right one. |
| 21:57.51 | herlo | mgeary: that's not really an argument, the gophers are nice and the squirrels store food for me each winter. |
| 21:57.58 | utahcon | If OS X were free, I might try it. |
| 21:58.05 | beandog | utahcon, agreed. |
| 21:58.10 | dataw0lf | utahcon: now that's an argument |
| 21:58.20 | dataw0lf | I don't really care if something is free or not, so I don't really concern myself with it. |
| 21:58.23 | herlo | free as in beer or freedom? |
| 21:58.25 | undertakingyou | dataw0lf: Little things in Mac OS bug me, like the default terminal sucks, macports of my linux applications didn't work 80% of the time, and I have to hit enter to rename a file which is absolutely unlogical. |
| 21:58.45 | utahcon | until OS X is free, unless I am gifted a mac, I will stick with Linux, with the exception being the winders I need for Zune/Xbox360 integration |
| 21:59.06 | dataw0lf | OS X has better 360 integration than Windows |
| 21:59.08 | dataw0lf | with Rivet. |
| 21:59.18 | dataw0lf | undertakingyou: what about the default terminal bugs you? |
| 21:59.25 | fungus | eek |
| 21:59.32 | dataw0lf | and I've never had any problem porting something to OS X with minimal effort |
| 21:59.38 | utahcon | dataw0lf: that is debatable. |
| 22:00.04 | dataw0lf | utahcon: I dunno, man. I'm on my third 360 and have used just about every configuration when it comes to incorporating my 360 into my media environment. |
| 22:00.11 | dataw0lf | Rivet is unbelievably awesome |
| 22:00.11 | undertakingyou | I found little hiccups in moving over my old bashrc. The tab implementation sucks . . . Something else, but I haven't used it in months. |
| 22:00.40 | dataw0lf | well the terminal isn't responsible for your .bashrc being screwy. That's differing versions of bash.... |
| 22:00.53 | dataw0lf | you mean tab completion? That's bash too. |
| 22:01.00 | utahcon | dataw0lf: I can't agree or not with that as I haven't used Rivet... but I will take your word if I am ever gifted an OS X machine. |
| 22:01.09 | undertakingyou | no, tab implementation. |
| 22:01.12 | undertakingyou | Not completion. |
| 22:01.14 | undertakingyou | That worked. |
| 22:01.18 | dataw0lf | "tab implementation" ? |
| 22:01.24 | dataw0lf | what do you mean? |
| 22:01.31 | dataw0lf | utahcon: definitely, it's an unbelievable application. |
| 22:01.32 | undertakingyou | Yes, multiple tabs in the terminal. |
| 22:01.40 | dataw0lf | Ahhh window tabs. |
| 22:01.45 | undertakingyou | yes, thank you. |
| 22:01.48 | beandog | terminal tabs ftw! |
| 22:01.49 | dataw0lf | what about it sucks? |
| 22:01.49 | fungus | I bought a 24" iMac 60months ago, and think it was the best computer purchase I have made, ever. |
| 22:02.02 | dataw0lf | fungus: I got one 4 or 5 months ago <3 |
| 22:02.12 | undertakingyou | No easy way to add a tab. No direct switch from tab 1 to tab 3 |
| 22:02.28 | fungus | s/60/6/ |
| 22:02.40 | beandog | evar. |
| 22:02.46 | undertakingyou | In the end, I could have overcome everything. But I was more comfortable in linux. |
| 22:02.49 | utahcon | I thought 60 months was a long time for you fungus |
| 22:03.10 | fungus | yeah, 60 months would have been deadly. |
| 22:03.24 | utahcon | alright kids... I am outta here!!! gots some coding to do at home tonight :D |
| 22:03.26 | utahcon | see you in a few |
| 22:03.28 | undertakingyou | And since it didn't cost me to use linux on the MBP and I have near exact hardware functionality, why not go where I was comfortable. |
| 22:03.29 | dataw0lf | undertakingyou: uhhhh... CMD+tab = create new tab in current terminal window, and I just have always cycled through my tabs, so I wouldn't no about direct switching. |
| 22:03.45 | beandog | try alt 1, alt 2? |
| 22:03.46 | beandog | works on mine |
| 22:03.49 | beandog | er, not my mac. |
| 22:03.51 | beandog | no mac for me. |
| 22:03.52 | beandog | :( |
| 22:04.05 | undertakingyou | yeah, alt 1 etc works for linux, and that is what I use :) |
| 22:04.36 | undertakingyou | Anyways, gotta go home, thanks for finding that elementary mistake for me. |
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| 22:05.01 | dataw0lf | yea np |
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| 22:37.15 | PoeticIntensity | beandog! |
| 22:38.21 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, lo |
| 22:38.56 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 22:38.56 | jbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps beandog |
| 22:39.02 | PoeticIntensity | wakie wakie! |
| 22:39.14 | PoeticIntensity | dag! I missed a Linux war... |
| 22:39.30 | beandog | ~fernpee PoeticIntensity |
| 22:41.58 | PoeticIntensity | Enough of the fernpeeing, Mr. Beandog. |
| 22:42.22 | PoeticIntensity | do we really have to lower our standards to chatting about bodily fluids? |
| 22:42.35 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:48.03 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
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