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| 14:59.23 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 14:59.38 | mgeary | how appropriate |
| 15:00.25 | SunSparc | ~tuesday |
| 15:00.26 | jbot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
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| 15:02.37 | utahcon | ~monday |
| 15:02.38 | jbot | from memory, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 15:02.55 | utahcon | ~wednesday |
| 15:02.56 | jbot | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 15:03.06 | utahcon | ~thursday |
| 15:03.06 | jbot | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 15:03.12 | mgeary | ~optimist jbot |
| 15:03.15 | utahcon | ~friday |
| 15:03.16 | jbot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 15:03.18 | mgeary | ~cheerful jbot |
| 15:03.24 | utahcon | ~lart |
| 15:03.29 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 15:03.29 | jbot | hauls Dezertol up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 15:03.52 | herlo | haha |
| 15:04.01 | jbot | declares everyone perl\=\= lamerville a moron, courtesy of utahcon |
| 15:04.20 | herlo | ~butthead mgeary |
| 15:04.25 | herlo | ahh |
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| 15:04.29 | herlo | ~beavis mgeary |
| 15:04.36 | herlo | I know you are there... |
| 15:04.40 | utahcon | shenanigans |
| 15:04.48 | herlo | hi utahcon |
| 15:04.51 | utahcon | hello |
| 15:05.23 | herlo | how's today? |
| 15:05.49 | utahcon | I am pulling code from CVS and Live to compare. So far, not terrible. In a few minutes, worse day ever! |
| 15:07.27 | utahcon | and yours? |
| 15:07.28 | mgeary | bbdiff++++++ |
| 15:07.42 | herlo | oh, we're going live with our new site today, should be a very interesting day |
| 15:08.02 | herlo | mgeary: oh hai! |
| 15:08.18 | mgeary | hah |
| 15:08.34 | herlo | but it's okay |
| 15:08.43 | utahcon | new utos site? |
| 15:09.10 | utahcon | or other? |
| 15:09.29 | herlo | utahcon: not utos |
| 15:09.39 | herlo | http://mymemoriessuite.com <-- it's what I maintain |
| 15:09.55 | herlo | utahcon: you can preview our new site at http://beta.mymemoriessuite.com |
| 15:13.03 | utahcon | looks good |
| 15:13.05 | utahcon | much better |
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| 15:17.11 | mgeary | ~lart itimber |
| 15:17.11 | jbot | raises middle finger to itimber |
| 15:17.15 | mgeary | oho |
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| 15:17.23 | mgeary | jbot makes it personal |
| 15:17.29 | itimber | ~flip jbot |
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| 15:24.55 | mgeary | ~lart beandog |
| 15:24.55 | jbot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays beandog in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 15:25.27 | beandog | ohai |
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| 15:27.31 | mgeary | ~rlart josephscott |
| 15:27.36 | mgeary | ~lart josephscott |
| 15:27.36 | jbot | beats josephscott over the head with a microkernel |
| 15:27.57 | carmony | okay, I have a linux server question |
| 15:28.07 | josephscott | mgeary: bad day? :-) |
| 15:28.25 | beandog | his cat left him |
| 15:28.37 | mgeary | someone threw my poor doggy off a cliff |
| 15:28.45 | beandog | was it Raul? |
| 15:29.15 | mgeary | uh, no.... uh, he's off with the Kings of Spain somewhere |
| 15:29.58 | carmony | I have a linux box that is a web server, and around 7PM EST it locks up and I can't shell to it, or view the websites, etc. and the only thing I can to is do a physical reboot |
| 15:30.12 | carmony | where should I start looking for indications of *why* its doing that |
| 15:30.29 | beandog | syslogs |
| 15:31.42 | josephscott | yep, look through the logs |
| 15:31.45 | carmony | k, where are they? I am pretty newb when it comes to Linux Sys Admin |
| 15:31.58 | carmony | . /var/logs ? |
| 15:32.02 | josephscott | usually |
| 15:33.05 | herlo | utahcon: thx man |
| 15:33.13 | herlo | utahcon: but I didn't do the look and feel :) |
| 15:34.52 | unum | someday my comments in this channel are going to come back to haunt me |
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| 15:36.37 | utahcon | herlo: what exactly are you at fault for then? |
| 15:36.46 | utahcon | the servers etc? |
| 15:37.01 | herlo | utahcon: yeah, and the db and a few logic changes |
| 15:37.16 | herlo | and I am responsible for making it go live |
| 15:37.22 | herlo | today around noon |
| 15:37.32 | utahcon | middle of the day... brave. |
| 15:39.27 | herlo | utahcon: heh, wasn't my choice |
| 15:39.33 | herlo | but there really shouldn't be any downtime |
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| 15:43.22 | Dezertol | I love this site -> http://vladstudio.com |
| 15:43.30 | Dezertol | just cool desktop backgrounds |
| 15:46.06 | herlo | they are nice |
| 15:46.54 | mgeary | ~lart thebigdog |
| 15:46.54 | jbot | turns thebigdog into a lifesized tux doll |
| 15:47.14 | thebigdog | kk mgeary |
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| 15:55.55 | mindjuju | ~apb synic |
| 15:55.56 | jbot | ACTION calls Dog the Bounty Hunter to find synic |
| 15:58.32 | thebigdog | oh so sorry panda bear |
| 15:58.48 | thebigdog | ~hand mindjuju a milky way |
| 15:58.49 | jbot | ACTION gives mindjuju a milky way a hand, then promptly chops it off |
| 15:59.02 | mindjuju | thx |
| 15:59.05 | mindjuju | needed that |
| 15:59.18 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 15:59.30 | mindjuju | id d you ever get that MS SQL stuff resolved? |
| 16:00.06 | thebigdog | yes |
| 16:01.15 | mindjuju | kk |
| 16:07.24 | utahcon | w00t@! |
| 16:07.37 | utahcon | I just logically talked my way out of a bug ticket :D |
| 16:13.02 | mindjuju | cool parents - http://failblog.org/2009/03/20/baby-name-fail-2/ |
| 16:13.16 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:18.46 | Dezertol | baegles in the green room |
| 16:18.48 | Dezertol | doh.. |
| 16:18.51 | Dezertol | wrong window |
| 16:20.01 | Dezertol | bagels.. I mean.. but not that it matters |
| 16:20.01 | Dezertol | lol |
| 16:20.27 | mgeary | hey, there's no beagles here! Just a lousy schnauzer. |
| 16:21.17 | Dezertol | have you noticed.. that the "sales team" alwasy gets bagels and everyone else get's donuts |
| 16:21.36 | Dezertol | and there about equal in healthlyness |
| 16:33.54 | synic | mindjuju: what up? |
| 16:34.44 | mindjuju | was wondering synic if you had alternative to ravetrax |
| 16:34.47 | mindjuju | i think it is dead |
| 16:34.53 | synic | I'm listening to it right now |
| 16:35.08 | brasto | problem with a very simple configuration: |
| 16:35.14 | brasto | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 16:35.15 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.15 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.15 | brasto | </VirtualHost> |
| 16:35.22 | mindjuju | wha? their website is just bouncing around with a little icon |
| 16:35.26 | brasto | that's all that's in httpd.conf for the domain |
| 16:35.39 | synic | http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=7004 |
| 16:35.40 | brasto | nothing in the doc root does any redirecting |
| 16:35.48 | brasto | yet, it redirects |
| 16:35.52 | mindjuju | thx synic, i owe ya! |
| 16:35.57 | brasto | and dns points to this server |
| 16:36.09 | synic | wewt |
| 16:36.16 | brasto | any ideas |
| 16:36.53 | SunSparc | Is it getting redirected in the html? |
| 16:37.00 | synic | maybe a mod_rewrite config, something in .htaccess? |
| 16:39.21 | fungus | brasto: http://pastebin.com/m68db8a42 |
| 16:40.25 | fungus | multiple redirects |
| 16:41.22 | pelaofeliz | brasto: I get the same thing as fungus |
| 16:41.36 | pelaofeliz | looks like index.php is redirecting to that google search |
| 16:41.59 | brasto | synic: .htaccess has a mod rewrite, but I renamed it to double check if it's causing it and after I renamed the file, the redirect remains in place |
| 16:42.04 | pelaofeliz | I can get a response from 216.194.126.86 if I put in a junk file... |
| 16:42.20 | pelaofeliz | brasto: ...(but it's a 404 response) |
| 16:42.23 | synic | brasto: might be caching it then |
| 16:43.20 | brasto | ah, I should have thought of trying wget like that fungus |
| 16:43.47 | brasto | this is a wordpress install |
| 16:44.01 | brasto | does wordpress have a redirect feature? |
| 16:45.21 | fungus | brasto: wordpress probably has the site configured w/o the www, so it redirects to gordonhinckly.com |
| 16:45.46 | fungus | And that site is serving up a redirect to the google search |
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| 16:46.34 | brasto | that would partially explain why I ended up with an infinite loop when I tried to do a redirect to the www when no www is in the url |
| 16:47.19 | fungus | Yeah, consolidate to a single Vhost definition. |
| 16:47.28 | fungus | much simpler and fewer problems |
| 16:47.44 | fungus | Use ServerAlias for the other hostnames |
| 16:48.50 | fungus | But the weirdest thing is... Why do you have the non www site redirecting to a google search? That is really odd. |
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| 16:58.53 | brasto | fungus: I didn't set the non www site to redirecting to a google search, I think it must be in the database because I can't find anything in the wp-config.php file that does this. |
| 16:59.43 | fungus | does that site have the same DocRoot? |
| 17:00.06 | fungus | Same Vhost params? |
| 17:00.35 | brasto | also, fungus, a single vhost definition creates an infinite loop. If I do ServerName example.com with ServerAlias www.example.com and RedirectPermanent / http://example.com/ , I also redirect exampe.com to itself and create an infinite loop. |
| 17:00.38 | brasto | that's why I do one vhost for the main domain, and one vhost for the redirect. |
| 17:00.46 | fungus | No, skip the redirect |
| 17:01.03 | brasto | without the redirect, Google indexes the site twice |
| 17:01.09 | fungus | so? |
| 17:01.13 | brasto | or more times if there are multiple aliases |
| 17:01.37 | brasto | also, you end up with broken scripts |
| 17:01.48 | fungus | how do you get broken scripts? |
| 17:02.15 | fungus | It seems to me, you are having more troubles with the redirect crap. |
| 17:02.17 | brasto | I've seen some scripts that point to the full domain path, and if you go to an aliased domain, the scripts don't load |
| 17:02.31 | brasto | if you use relative paths, it's fine, but I don't write all the code |
| 17:02.50 | brasto | so because I don't write it all, it isn't done right :) |
| 17:02.51 | brasto | jk |
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| 17:04.06 | fungus | Then use one vhost, and mod_rewrite to redirect. |
| 17:04.30 | fungus | But I still think you are wrong. |
| 17:04.55 | fungus | www or not, there is no harm in having them both work. |
| 17:06.31 | fungus | http://domain.com/some/file/request causing a redirect to http://www.domain.com/ will cause scripts to break |
| 17:06.39 | brasto | I think having multiple sites with the same content reduces your Google rating, too, but maybe I don't know enough about SEO |
| 17:07.01 | fungus | when having it just return the same file as http://www.domain.com/some/file/request works much better |
| 17:07.11 | brasto | the redirect passes the /some/file/request |
| 17:07.35 | fungus | But still, a redirect causes more brokenness, as you have already experienced. |
| 17:07.40 | brasto | you just have to have a / at the end of the domain you are redirecting to. |
| 17:09.23 | brasto | I think, fungus, I agree on the ssh redirect, that a better way for that one is to use a mod rewrite. |
| 17:13.51 | brasto | found the problem |
| 17:14.33 | brasto | www. domain pointed to a wordpress install, which loaded it's domain configuration from a MySQL table. |
| 17:14.53 | brasto | The table stores the domain. |
| 17:16.03 | brasto | the wordpress install redirected to the domain set in the MySQL database, and since that domain was not in the config, wordpress coudn't load it and sent the request as a Google search. |
| 17:16.17 | brasto | yet another reason why no configuration should store the URL |
| 17:22.14 | brasto | I'm curios what others of you think. Do you 1) Use ServerAlias and load multiple sites with the same content, 2) Use Mod Rewrite to redirect all the sites that would have loaded the same content to the same site, or 3) Use ServerRedirect. |
| 17:22.17 | brasto | ? |
| 17:23.00 | synic | if they are the exact same content, why not use ServerAlias? |
| 17:24.02 | mgeary | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 17:24.03 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #uphpu. Has said a total of 665 messages. Is idling for 3d 17h 21m 31s, last said: 'you guys have a good night, and supernovia: you got a pretty good head on your shoulders, you too Dezertol.'. |
| 17:24.30 | synic | compliments coming from dataw0lf? |
| 17:24.35 | synic | that doesn't look right |
| 17:24.38 | mgeary | maybe he was unwell |
| 17:29.57 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 17:30.03 | mgeary | hey dude |
| 17:30.07 | mgeary | been silent a while |
| 17:30.10 | dataw0lf | mornin' |
| 17:30.13 | mindjuju | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 17:30.15 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #uphpu. Has said a total of 667 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: 'mornin''. |
| 17:30.19 | dataw0lf | been a busy bee. |
| 17:30.53 | mindjuju | so this --> (11:30:05 AM) dataw0lf: ? <-- was comment 666 |
| 17:30.56 | mindjuju | creepy! |
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| 17:41.20 | brasto | synic, because we don't want two sites with the exact same content. It could lower your SEO rating, and can break scripts (CSS, JS, etc). So I put them in another vhost and redirect to the master site. |
| 17:42.56 | synic | You said they would be the same content, and it won't break scripts if you program it to work that way |
| 17:47.36 | brasto | right, they would be the same content if you used ServerAlias, and you can't control what other people program |
| 17:47.52 | brasto | if you use a CMS, that's completely programmed by other people |
| 17:49.56 | brasto | ~seen brasto |
| 17:49.59 | jbot | brasto is currently on #udbug (3h 20m 30s) #utah (3h 20m 30s) #uphpu (3h 20m 30s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen brasto'. |
| 17:50.10 | brasto | I've only said 40 messages? |
| 17:50.21 | brasto | ah, 40 in one session. |
| 17:50.44 | brasto | Or, rather, 43 in one session... |
| 17:51.26 | Dezertol | ~seen brasto |
| 17:51.27 | jbot | brasto is currently on #udbug (3h 21m 58s) #utah (3h 21m 58s) #uphpu (3h 21m 58s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 43s, last said: 'Or, rather, 43 in one session...'. |
| 17:51.35 | utahcon | ~seen utahcon |
| 17:51.35 | jbot | utahcon is currently on #utah (4h 3m 24s) #uphpu (4h 3m 24s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen utahcon'. |
| 17:51.36 | Dezertol | ya.. 43 |
| 17:51.46 | utahcon | is that per session? |
| 17:51.58 | herlo | brasto: no, it's since the bot started |
| 17:51.59 | Dezertol | that's what I was wondering |
| 17:52.04 | herlo | so it must have been restarted recently |
| 17:52.08 | mindjuju | anybody seen the movie Heavy Metal? |
| 17:52.13 | utahcon | I have said much more than 20 messages |
| 17:52.25 | Dezertol | well if dataw0lf had like 667 |
| 17:52.26 | utahcon | mindjuju: yes |
| 17:52.29 | Dezertol | it couln't have been to recent |
| 17:52.32 | herlo | ~seen herlo |
| 17:52.33 | jbot | herlo is currently on #utos (1d 6h 54m 6s) #utah (1d 6h 54m 6s) #uphpu (1d 6h 54m 6s) #ubuntu-us-ut (1d 6h 54m 6s). Has said a total of 116 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen herlo'. |
| 17:52.48 | brasto | jbot, restart |
| 17:52.49 | jbot | this aint no stinkin' winblows, or "Microsoft Windows: Your mouse has moved; please restart for changes to take effect" |
| 17:52.53 | herlo | that's in every channel since the bot restarted |
| 17:53.02 | mindjuju | utahcon - read this article and tell me if it reminds you of the movie - well, the first scene where they go into the police office - http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=7135684&page=1 |
| 17:54.57 | utahcon | I know the scene |
| 17:54.57 | utahcon | lol |
| 17:55.01 | utahcon | that is .. wow |
| 17:55.05 | SunSparc | http://ping.fm/QcSnF |
| 17:55.09 | utahcon | does remind me of it |
| 17:55.09 | brasto | jbot, recursion |
| 17:55.11 | jbot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. |
| 17:55.21 | brasto | I love that one. |
| 17:55.33 | herlo | ~lart brasto |
| 17:55.33 | jbot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays brasto in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 17:55.40 | mindjuju | it's awesome, the police chief is liek, $10k to investigate a crime + expenses |
| 17:55.46 | brasto | lol |
| 17:56.22 | mindjuju | swing over to page 2 in the article, and you find this |
| 17:56.31 | mindjuju | Even in the digital age, court proceedings are flush with paperwork. Unfortunately for the Morrow County Municipal Court in Ohio, it doesn't have much paper to work with. |
| 17:56.38 | mindjuju | The court stopped requesting new paper supplies after the county went $2,600 in arrears on its office supply bill, leading Judge Lee McClelland to make a headline-grabbing decision: The court wouldn't take any new cases -- be they from the county prosecutor or average Joe plaintiffs bringing a lawsuit -- unless people bringing the cases also brought their own paper. |
| 17:57.23 | Dezertol | speaking of recursion -> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/09/27/ |
| 17:57.25 | utahcon | yeah that was pretty funny |
| 17:58.14 | mindjuju | Dezertol - that's awesome |
| 17:59.00 | Dezertol | lol got to give to penny-arcade |
| 17:59.07 | Dezertol | they're funny guys |
| 17:59.33 | utahcon | Dezertol: sometimes they are |
| 17:59.44 | dataw0lf | http://www.smbc-comics.com/ |
| 17:59.56 | utahcon | smbc are good too |
| 18:01.23 | SunSparc | ^ Good video that explains the American form of government. |
| 18:07.11 | Dezertol | lol -> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=26#comic |
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| 18:29.27 | mindjuju | it's not every day I agree with the ACLU, but in this case, I hope they win - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/us/24savana.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3 |
| 18:29.40 | mindjuju | ...sigh... lunchtime over |
| 18:35.36 | Dezertol | mindjuju if you've not see this yet you should -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0288439/ |
| 18:36.25 | mindjuju | haven't seen |
| 18:36.30 | beandog | aclu++ |
| 18:36.35 | beandog | radical groups++ |
| 18:36.39 | beandog | cheeseburgers++ |
| 18:36.45 | beandog | man |
| 18:36.48 | beandog | I need a new mousepad. |
| 18:44.19 | eggyknap | methyl groups++ |
| 18:46.41 | beandog | I wouldnt really say ACLU is that radical, though |
| 18:52.23 | utahcon | I would have punched a teacher like that |
| 18:52.41 | utahcon | I had a teacher who would play classical music during tests. |
| 18:52.46 | brasto | he was awesome. He got teacher of the year award for the state that year. |
| 18:53.01 | utahcon | that was annoying too cause I really liked the music so I would spend the time listening to the music instead of taking the test |
| 18:53.17 | utahcon | what school brasto? |
| 18:53.21 | brasto | fortunately, he didn't play the music during the test, just before as a joke. |
| 18:53.27 | brasto | Cyprus High |
| 18:53.32 | brasto | Mr. Sayes |
| 18:54.12 | utahcon | oh |
| 18:54.15 | beandog | mm, highschool |
| 18:54.16 | beandog | good times. |
| 18:54.51 | utahcon | I miss the good ol' days... whenever they were |
| 18:54.58 | beandog | heh |
| 18:55.31 | utahcon | interesting http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/stoptb/index.html |
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| 18:57.17 | utahcon | anyone ever use Google Bookmarks? |
| 18:57.44 | beandog | is that anything like delicious |
| 18:58.12 | SunSparc | Ripe peaches are something like delicious. |
| 18:58.32 | utahcon | looks that way beandog |
| 18:58.36 | brasto | SunSparc: lol |
| 18:58.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:00.33 | brasto | SunSparc: what do you think about my question earlier? |
| 19:00.39 | brasto | Do you 1) Use ServerAlias and load multiple sites with the same content, 2) Use Mod Rewrite to redirect all the sites that would have loaded the same content to the same site, or 3) Use ServerRedirect. |
| 19:00.57 | brasto | doh |
| 19:01.10 | brasto | s/ServerRedirect/RedirectPermanent/ |
| 19:01.22 | brasto | jbot, wake up |
| 19:01.23 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:01.39 | brasto | hey that even works |
| 19:01.48 | SunSparc | brasto: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:01.59 | brasto | if you throw the water up, it lands back on yourself.... |
| 19:02.16 | brasto | It's something fungus and I were discussing earlier |
| 19:02.32 | brasto | do you use ServerName example.com |
| 19:02.40 | brasto | and ServerAlias www.example.com |
| 19:02.51 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 19:02.59 | brasto | (or vise-versa, if you are a dork and like the www) |
| 19:03.10 | brasto | and end up with 2 duplicate sites |
| 19:03.26 | brasto | and possible google page rank demotion |
| 19:03.58 | brasto | or do you use mod rewrite to change all requests for one domain to the other |
| 19:04.32 | brasto | or do you put just the main domain down, then create a vhost with the other domain with a RedirectPermanent that points to the master domain. |
| 19:04.32 | SunSparc | I always name my servers without the www. www is just a sub-domain of used as an alias. |
| 19:05.25 | SunSparc | I guess I do not understand the question. Is this for multiple sites, or just multiple domains for a single site? |
| 19:05.35 | brasto | you also end up with some broken scripts if a CMS or other product uses an absolute url |
| 19:06.05 | brasto | well, if you use ServerAlias, it creates multiple domains for a single site. |
| 19:06.26 | SunSparc | Absolute url's is bad programming, I tend to shy away from any products like that. |
| 19:06.42 | brasto | so do I, but I still run into it sometimes. |
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| 19:06.55 | brasto | ~welcome mgeary |
| 19:06.56 | jbot | Hey, mgeary! Glad you could join us. |
| 19:07.13 | brasto | ~kick mgeary_ |
| 19:07.14 | jbot | ACTION kicks mgeary_ |
| 19:07.14 | mgeary_ | always a pleasure |
| 19:07.16 | mgeary_ | key |
| 19:07.16 | SunSparc | I use the serveralias for multiple domains on a single site. CPX does the same. |
| 19:07.18 | mgeary_ | hey |
| 19:07.24 | brasto | lol |
| 19:08.23 | brasto | does that reduce your pagerank, SunSparc? |
| 19:09.11 | SunSparc | brasto: Good question. I do not know. I never check. |
| 19:10.06 | brasto | btw, Wordpress uses absolute URL, which is why it stores the URL in one of the tables it creates, so if you avoid products that use absolute urls, better avoid Wordpress, too :) |
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| 19:18.02 | SunSparc | brasto: Yep, that is really lame. I have run into that problem. I really do not enjoy the Wordpress code. |
| 19:18.23 | SunSparc | Although, it is a hard one to avoid. |
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| 19:19.52 | SunSparc | ~wb supernovia |
| 19:20.06 | supernovia | thanks SunSparc :-) |
| 19:20.11 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:20.17 | supernovia | when are you going to come check out the place? |
| 19:20.43 | SunSparc | Good question. I need to talk to Mrs. SunSparc. |
| 19:20.59 | supernovia | Let me know :-) I think you'll like it. |
| 19:21.14 | SunSparc | I think I will also. The pictures look neat. |
| 19:21.22 | supernovia | although I am not -quite- as happy with the star ceiling now .. but it's still nice |
| 19:22.11 | supernovia | too many random stars you know? should have made it astronomically correct.. |
| 19:22.20 | brasto | perhaps josephscott knows a good reason why wordpress uses an absolute URL, which SunSparc and I think is a Bad Idea (tm). |
| 19:22.31 | SunSparc | supernovia: ?? heh, our own starry sky is pretty random. Look at it long enough and you will find the patterns. :) |
| 19:22.37 | josephscott | brasto: ? |
| 19:22.49 | supernovia | It's too random. You'll see. It'll work out fine though :o) |
| 19:23.13 | brasto | You have to store the url for your wordpress install in the database. |
| 19:23.38 | supernovia | why's that a bad thing? just out of curiosity |
| 19:23.44 | brasto | when it could just pull the url from $__SERVER |
| 19:23.49 | supernovia | I have seen a few people change their domain name and goof up their install but a quick edit worked |
| 19:24.16 | brasto | josephscott: see what supernovia just said |
| 19:24.18 | josephscott | WP runs under lots of different situations and environments |
| 19:24.41 | josephscott | that setting is the least of your problems if your moving domains :-) |
| 19:24.48 | brasto | so wouldn't storing the full url make it more likely to break under different situations and environments? |
| 19:25.04 | supernovia | what other situations brasto and SunSparc since you were discussing it too |
| 19:25.11 | DexterTheDragon | $_SERVER can be unreliable |
| 19:25.12 | supernovia | (and since I wasn't here to hear it) |
| 19:25.25 | josephscott | can't always trust IIS |
| 19:25.52 | supernovia | can you ever trust IIS? |
| 19:26.00 | SunSparc | supernovia: You beat me to it. ;) |
| 19:26.01 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:26.11 | SunSparc | ~lart IIS |
| 19:26.11 | jbot | cuts IIS into thin stripes |
| 19:26.12 | josephscott | take a look at the wp-settings.php file, it's not just IIS |
| 19:26.26 | supernovia | hopefully they're stripes with parity ;-p |
| 19:26.55 | brasto | supernovia: I ran into an issue when I tried to redirect a url. I was trying to redirect traffic without www. in front of the url so it always had the www in front. However, they had put the url into the wordpress install without the www. |
| 19:27.03 | brasto | so we ended up with an infinite redirect loop |
| 19:27.18 | supernovia | yeah I've seen that one too |
| 19:27.31 | supernovia | but it's one of those things where once you know how to fix it all's well I tink? |
| 19:27.33 | brasto | and it was hard to find because there were no plain text config files with the redirect |
| 19:27.33 | supernovia | think |
| 19:28.02 | brasto | I just happened to remember that wordpress stores the URL in the database, and figured it must have been because of that. |
| 19:28.19 | supernovia | yeah, I do remember spending some good time trying to figure that one out with designerswhoblog.com |
| 19:28.22 | brasto | so, josephscott, you need the full url for compatibility with IIS? |
| 19:28.33 | josephscott | one thing that comes up is having WP installed in one dir, but being used for a different one |
| 19:28.56 | josephscott | brasto: check out wp-settings.php file, there's lots of work just to deal with $_SERVER under different conditions |
| 19:29.28 | josephscott | then there are setups like this: http://josephscott.org/archives/2009/02/installing-wordpress-as-a-subversion-checkout-or-external-in-a-subdirectory/ |
| 19:29.49 | supernovia | good point |
| 19:30.20 | josephscott | WP runs under lots of different conditions |
| 19:31.43 | supernovia | you guys do a fantastic job of it :) |
| 19:32.25 | josephscott | brasto: you can submit a patch to change it at trac.wordpress.org, make sure to test it under the 13 gazillion environments that PHP & MySQL might be running under ;-) |
| 19:35.46 | macnewbold | josephscott: cool blog post |
| 19:36.33 | josephscott | macnewbold: thanks. checking WP out as an svn external in a separate dir allows for a lot of flexibility. |
| 19:36.45 | macnewbold | we haven't been doing wordpress from a wp svn checkout, but we've been putting a wordpress install into a svn checkout in our own repo |
| 19:37.33 | macnewbold | the odd part is when we try and install plugins and such |
| 19:37.55 | macnewbold | it seems that doing an automatic upgrade on the plugins nukes the whole plugin dir (including its .svn folder) and recreates it |
| 19:38.04 | macnewbold | which causes grief when it nukes .svn |
| 19:40.01 | josephscott | yeah, nuking .svn dirs doesn't make svn happy |
| 19:40.31 | josephscott | if you are using the automatic plugin upgrade tool though you should just exclude those dirs |
| 19:42.57 | brasto | I concur with macnewbold - I like that article josephscott. |
| 19:49.56 | utahcon | josephscott: good article |
| 20:10.33 | brasto | anyone know what constitutes a blind person when filing taxes? My wife is blind in the right half of both eyes. |
| 20:11.00 | brasto | (way off topic question, but this room /is/ filled with intelligent people...) |
| 20:11.23 | utahcon | brasto: Does it stop her from being gainfully employed? |
| 20:11.51 | SunSparc | Or from driving? |
| 20:12.03 | supernovia | legally blind = 20/200 or worse with the best possible correction, or a visual field of 20 degrees or less. |
| 20:12.22 | utahcon | I believe, and I maybe wrong, but you have to registered with the state/government as blind to count it on your taxes. |
| 20:13.25 | brasto | yes, she can't drive or work |
| 20:13.47 | utahcon | I would say you would be safe to list her as blind on your taxes. |
| 20:13.57 | brasto | In fact, one of the things that happened because of her brain tumor before we realized she even had it was that she lost her job. |
| 20:14.11 | brasto | she kept bumping into things on the right side. |
| 20:14.25 | supernovia | that sucks |
| 20:14.38 | supernovia | my MIL -is- a tax pro, want me to call her? |
| 20:15.08 | brasto | supernovia: your MIL? |
| 20:15.19 | utahcon | mother-in-law |
| 20:15.35 | brasto | ah, cool. |
| 20:15.37 | utahcon | or male-inmate-lover |
| 20:15.41 | supernovia | thanks utahcon :) was typing in another window |
| 20:15.54 | supernovia | yeah, that definition doesn't fit with the word 'her' quite as well |
| 20:16.02 | brasto | if you have a moment supernovia, and you don't mind. I'm using taxcut software, but that's one of the few things without a help link. |
| 20:16.22 | supernovia | OK, if you don't mind giving me about 10 minutes - I'm helping a n00b figure out ftp :) |
| 20:16.38 | supernovia | she's a slow typer though so maybe I can squeeze the call in between |
| 20:17.33 | utahcon | I think I was born knowing FTP |
| 20:18.05 | supernovia | She's a print designer |
| 20:19.59 | brasto | lol |
| 20:20.52 | supernovia | brasto - tried calling, I can't seem to get through |
| 20:22.11 | brasto | Ok, well if you find out about it, let me know please. I'll move on to the other parts of the tax form. Fortunately, I can come back to this part later. |
| 20:22.22 | supernovia | that's good. I'll keep trying |
| 20:24.17 | supernovia | brasto has your wife been tested for visual acuity and been given any kind of magic number? |
| 20:25.04 | supernovia | or is it more of a problem with depth perception and visual range? |
| 20:25.04 | brasto | She has contacts, so if the prescription is a 'magic number', then yes, otherwise, no. |
| 20:25.14 | supernovia | the number you're looking for is her visual acuity -after- correction |
| 20:25.43 | brasto | hmmm, I don't think we've ever heard anything about that. |
| 20:25.47 | supernovia | or if her visual field is very narrow (20 degrees or less) |
| 20:26.24 | brasto | I wouldn't be surprised if it's narrow, but I don't know about 20 degrees or less. |
| 20:26.44 | brasto | at times, she bumps into things right in front of her. |
| 20:26.51 | supernovia | that sucks ;-( |
| 20:27.04 | utahcon | supernovia: is that something an eye exam at wal-mart could tell them? do you know? |
| 20:27.36 | supernovia | I can't remember whether that'd come with a basic exam or not |
| 20:28.09 | supernovia | but I think it's the one where they show white dots of light and you're supposed to pick them up in your peripheral vision |
| 20:28.48 | supernovia | my designer client is still typing :) |
| 20:30.26 | supernovia | called walmart - they said they can check that in a full exam brasto |
| 20:31.28 | itimber | anyone here *not* like wal-mart?? |
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| 20:31.43 | supernovia | I hate walmart. but Dr. Bean in the vision center is freaking awesome |
| 20:32.16 | supernovia | I am pro sunflower market |
| 20:32.24 | brasto | I'm not anto walmart, but I go to local before walmart |
| 20:32.31 | supernovia | but the vision center is its own thing at walmart and the doctor there is really good |
| 20:32.58 | brasto | supernovia: there are many walmarts with many doctors |
| 20:33.10 | brasto | :) |
| 20:33.10 | supernovia | yes, dr. Bean in lindon is really good though |
| 20:33.19 | itimber | k, I won't raise a fuss in this conversation then :-) |
| 20:34.25 | supernovia | brasto, got through to the office where my MIL works and they too said you need legal documentation to file as blind. hth |
| 20:34.47 | brasto | thank you very much supernovia |
| 20:34.53 | supernovia | np ;-) |
| 20:35.09 | supernovia | good luck with your wife. think her vision will return? did she get her tumor taken care of? |
| 20:35.17 | brasto | I'll probably set up an eye appointment for my wife soon then. |
| 20:35.31 | brasto | her tumor cannot be removed |
| 20:35.48 | brasto | it's mixed with the brain |
| 20:35.52 | supernovia | sorry I must have missed that between windows. I'm sorry to hear that :-( |
| 20:36.10 | brasto | i probably didn't mention it before. |
| 20:36.24 | itimber | that's crazy brasto |
| 20:36.43 | brasto | I have a lot of friends and family that like to keep updated on it, so I put it up on my blog |
| 20:36.50 | brasto | you can read about it on http://flfn.org |
| 20:37.11 | brasto | in fact, the latest entry gives quite a bit of information. |
| 20:37.37 | brasto | except, I didn't mention the blindness... I must have 'overlooked' that part... :) |
| 20:38.41 | brasto | it's a very rough road, but maybe it's a blessing to be home with Julie right now. |
| 20:39.45 | supernovia | where is Julie from? |
| 20:40.54 | supernovia | her name seemed familiar (but it's a common name I'm sure) - looked around on the site a bit and she doesn't seem to be the one I knew. still |
| 20:41.25 | supernovia | best wishes to both of you. I don't know what else to say but that's some pretty rough stuff :-( |
| 20:41.42 | brasto | Julie lived in Alaska while a young child, but most of her teenage years were in Magna. |
| 20:42.11 | brasto | She graduated from Highlands Ranch in Denver, but went to Cyprus with me for the other 2 high school years. |
| 20:42.52 | brasto | thank you supernovia. I know it can be an awkward topic, but I'm used to talking about it, so don't worry. |
| 20:43.11 | brasto | It does me good just to talk about it. |
| 20:43.56 | supernovia | Yeah, I hear you there. |
| 20:49.55 | supernovia | well guys, it's time for me to pick up a couple munchkins |
| 20:50.59 | supernovia | see ya around |
| 20:58.37 | utahcon | I would think munchkins would get annoyed by being picked up |
| 21:01.26 | beandog | probaly dunkin donuts |
| 21:12.54 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7851925a-17a2-11de-8c9d-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1 |
| 21:20.13 | utahcon | rewrite help pls |
| 21:20.35 | utahcon | RewriteRule ^/login$ login.php [L] |
| 21:20.57 | utahcon | wouldn't that take my www.url.com/login and load www.url.com/login.php? |
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| 21:27.48 | fungus | utahcon: yes, that would, but it also must match all RewriteCond and the engine must be On |
| 21:28.40 | utahcon | I have no RewriteCond, and the Engine is on |
| 21:29.52 | fungus | You could use RewriteLog and RewriteLogLevel to help debug it. |
| 21:30.02 | utahcon | good advice... thanks |
| 21:30.40 | fungus | but your rule looks good to me. Perhaps try leaving out the [L], unless there are other rules that may match. |
| 21:42.26 | utahcon | fungus: can RewriteLog be set in the .htaccess? |
| 21:42.50 | utahcon | nm found the answer |
| 21:44.13 | fungus | oh yeah, should have mentioned that. nope, it can't. |
| 21:47.47 | utahcon | too bad you can't setup RewriteLog in the .htaccess... would make it possible to troubleshoot localized problems. |
| 21:57.29 | fungus | agreed, but that could be dangerous. allowing users to create long lived open file handles in the master apache process. |
| 22:00.01 | utahcon | true |
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| 22:32.28 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 22:33.01 | Utah_Dave | can i be your drummer? |
| 22:33.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah man. |
| 22:33.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Only if you've got the right attitude though. |
| 22:33.23 | jsmith-teaching | Who gets the groupies? |
| 22:33.42 | Lone_Wanderer | We all do. If anyone's feeling left out we just instantiate more. |
| 22:35.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Dude, you can't be a ROCK STAR PROGRAMMER if you're married. |
| 22:35.48 | Utah_Dave | uh, it's always the same instance |
| 22:36.16 | Utah_Dave | Cant i if she's really hot? |
| 22:36.26 | Lone_Wanderer | MAYbe. |
| 22:37.25 | Lone_Wanderer | That's why you don't run Insidesales.com, _psychic_. They're the LEADER in hosted automation tools for something something something. |
| 22:37.41 | Lone_Wanderer | And they only hire programmers with gigantic egos and outrageous hairdos. |
| 22:37.57 | _psychic_ | I just read what I read about rock stars in the papers - I don't want any of those people. Exactly. |
| 22:38.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm tempted to actually apply, and show up dressed in leather with some crazy shades and my hair all weird colors. |
| 22:38.59 | Lone_Wanderer | "I.... am a ROCK. STAR." |
| 22:39.09 | Lone_Wanderer | "Programmer. And I am here to see if you're worthy." |
| 22:39.09 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer, that would hilarious |
| 22:39.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Sit with my leg over the arm of the chair. |
| 22:40.04 | Utah_Dave | take a groupie with you |
| 22:40.08 | Lone_Wanderer | YES! |
| 22:40.25 | Utah_Dave | actually, 2 or 3 groupies |
| 22:40.33 | Lone_Wanderer | And if they question it, cop an attitude. |
| 22:40.41 | dataw0lf | I got a couple girls you could use... |
| 22:41.29 | Lone_Wanderer | "I've been hacking kernels since I was five, man. If you want these skillz, you gotta take the whole PACKAGE, man." |
| 22:42.07 | Lone_Wanderer | DW, if you can get me groupies I'd totally do it. |
| 22:42.43 | Utah_Dave | plus, you don't start working til 3 in the afternoon because you party all night |
| 22:42.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. It's in the contract. |
| 22:43.08 | dataw0lf | deep knee rock squats every morning |
| 22:43.27 | dataw0lf | 7 or 8 at a time |
| 22:43.28 | dataw0lf | in a row... |
| 22:43.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Deep knee rock squats? |
| 22:43.46 | Utah_Dave | oh, yeah. you have to have your own trailer |
| 22:43.58 | dataw0lf | yes. Deep knee rock squats. |
| 22:44.02 | Lone_Wanderer | With a king sized bed. |
| 22:44.08 | Lone_Wanderer | What's a rock squat? |
| 22:44.24 | dataw0lf | I dunno, you'd have to ask Jack Blacka |
| 22:44.26 | dataw0lf | Black* |
| 22:44.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 22:44.40 | Utah_Dave | and a roadie to configure your workstation to your exact specs every day |
| 22:45.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. I can't type in my own password. My wrists and fingers are too valuable to overwork. |
| 22:45.22 | Utah_Dave | and pyrotechnics when you write a really awesome method |
| 22:45.26 | Lone_Wanderer | XD |
| 22:46.04 | Lone_Wanderer | And if they don't promote my "performances" well enough, I get to throw tantrums. |
| 22:46.07 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.imeem.com/rockmusic14/music/kT7128WR/tenacious-d-rock-your-socks/ |
| 22:46.17 | dataw0lf | nsfw language |
| 22:46.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Language? |
| 22:46.37 | dataw0lf | bad. language. |
| 22:46.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm a **** ROCK STAR! |
| 22:46.59 | dataw0lf | well listen to the song it's awesome. |
| 22:47.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 22:50.13 | Lone_Wanderer | XD this is awesome! |
| 22:51.24 | Dezertol | anyone using ldap_search() |
| 22:51.42 | Dezertol | it hangs me the bird if I don't add cn=users in the base dn |
| 22:51.51 | Dezertol | but.. it shouldn't need it |
| 22:52.06 | Dezertol | it should do a recursive search of the whole thing |
| 22:52.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Is this from The Pick of Destiny? |
| 22:52.32 | dataw0lf | no, it's from Tenacious D's first album |
| 22:52.43 | dataw0lf | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/O-Misfortuna.aspx |
| 22:55.09 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 22:55.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Is the album generally good? |
| 22:55.41 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 22:55.45 | dataw0lf | it's great, in fact. |
| 22:55.51 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 22:56.00 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, this guy had an idea similar to (but worse than) mine |
| 22:56.12 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe I should go ahead and write that little program now that I've got some time |
| 22:56.23 | Lone_Wanderer | not now though, I've got to go do an insane workout |
| 22:56.48 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: that's hilarious |
| 23:00.41 | herlo | http://www.utah.edu/portal/site/uuhome/ <-- class is canceled |
| 23:00.50 | SunSparc | Night all. |
| 23:00.56 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
| 23:03.08 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, that was funny |
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