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| 08:14.56 | orsonj | bleah... haven't been able to sleep |
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| 13:57.45 | orsonj | well, oddly, I actually feel better today than I have all weekend. Despite not getting enough sleep. |
| 13:58.04 | mindjuju | how much sleeep did you wind up getting? |
| 13:58.29 | orsonj | about 4 hours |
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| 15:10.17 | cro | 'morning all. |
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| 15:35.13 | beandog | buenos dias |
| 15:35.15 | beandog | senoritas |
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| 15:39.32 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:39.46 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 15:40.17 | macnewbold | ~monday |
| 15:40.40 | jbot | monday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 15:42.37 | mgeary | no, things don't break for no reason until i decide to spend a day or two out of the office |
| 15:46.12 | supernovia | what's all the hubub? |
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| 15:56.00 | supernovia | oh I didn't see the bueos dias, beandog! I guess that's at me? |
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| 16:01.40 | utahcon | s/on/one |
| 16:01.44 | utahcon | s/on/one/ |
| 16:01.48 | utahcon | doh! |
| 16:01.50 | supernovia | those things are so darn good |
| 16:01.56 | supernovia | heheh |
| 16:02.00 | herlo | supernovia: if you are close by, you should visit 'Beyond Glaze' |
| 16:02.01 | supernovia | it's the lack of sugar right? |
| 16:02.10 | supernovia | Oh yeah? where's that? |
| 16:02.33 | supernovia | there we go - draper eh? |
| 16:02.43 | herlo | http://www.beyondglaze.com/ |
| 16:02.43 | supernovia | I am driving up to 90th today |
| 16:02.53 | herlo | supernovia: it's right by mindjuju's work |
| 16:02.59 | supernovia | german chocolate... *Drooool* |
| 16:03.20 | utahcon | #12/dz |
| 16:03.20 | supernovia | I will have to eat it after 6pm though. |
| 16:03.24 | utahcon | I can't type today |
| 16:03.41 | orsonj | (#cakephp) you should read the book, then you should read the book again, then you should hold the book upside down and read it a third time. Keep reading the book, alternating upside down and upright until it makes sense. Once it makes sense, go read the api, then read the api again, then go read the book again just for good measure, read the api 13 more times, then come back and ask a philosophical question about the implementation of your favorit |
| 16:03.43 | supernovia | so herlo, I worked on your logo a bit last night |
| 16:03.52 | orsonj | ok, now that I got that out of my system... |
| 16:04.06 | supernovia | actually you should just alternate wet and dry ingredients. that's the secret. |
| 16:04.23 | utahcon | orsonj: I know what you mean :D |
| 16:04.31 | orsonj | maybe I'll have to take an early donut day |
| 16:05.34 | supernovia | I'm doing a little morning tweaking too it (now that I was finally able to get some sleep) |
| 16:06.04 | orsonj | you too? I didn't get much sleep last night |
| 16:06.51 | supernovia | for the life of me, I couldn't wind down till 4:30 |
| 16:07.15 | orsonj | nice, I made it about an hour earlier. |
| 16:07.38 | utahcon | ha! |
| 16:07.49 | utahcon | I was asleep by midnight... but up every hour with the little one |
| 16:07.57 | supernovia | little ones are the best |
| 16:08.27 | utahcon | not when they wake up every hour for no reason. |
| 16:08.28 | supernovia | then again I haven't had a -very- little one for almost 7 yaers. |
| 16:08.32 | supernovia | years even |
| 16:08.43 | orsonj | oddly, I don't feel the lack of sleep though |
| 16:08.50 | supernovia | I'm doing OK so far. |
| 16:08.57 | supernovia | it'll hit me tomorrow I'm sure |
| 16:09.14 | utahcon | I need something stronger. |
| 16:09.37 | utahcon | I am also popping caffeinated mints :D |
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| 16:10.23 | utahcon | herlo: you may get a kick out of this. |
| 16:10.30 | herlo | utahcon: Rockstar Punched (Fruit Punch) is the best... |
| 16:10.34 | herlo | utahcon: I might? |
| 16:10.52 | utahcon | Last night my wife asked what I was doing on the computer... I said "installing sugar", her response "so much for you diet" |
| 16:11.04 | orsonj | heh |
| 16:11.07 | herlo | heh, |
| 16:11.11 | herlo | kind of funny I guess |
| 16:12.47 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:14.09 | utahcon | one ticket to finish, and I am ready for my feature freeze on wednesday :D |
| 16:14.11 | utahcon | go me |
| 16:14.24 | utahcon | feel free to bask in the glow of my awesome |
| 16:16.03 | utahcon | It is a pretty wicked glow. |
| 16:16.21 | utahcon | cro: were you not at the meeting last week? or did I just not see you? |
| 16:16.30 | cro | I missed it |
| 16:16.36 | cro | had guests visiting |
| 16:28.38 | supernovia | so I'll be seeing you guys later (and resisting the donut shop) |
| 16:49.09 | mindjuju | not sure if i've asked this here, but does anybody use a digital assets manager? |
| 16:50.20 | beandog | you asked that 12 minutes ago |
| 16:50.24 | beandog | ~dejavu mindjuju |
| 16:50.27 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 16:50.30 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 16:50.35 | beandog | nada |
| 16:50.41 | beandog | I played with a Wii last night |
| 16:50.47 | beandog | was the first time I really "got it" |
| 16:50.57 | beandog | that bowling game was way fun |
| 16:51.20 | mindjuju | really? |
| 16:51.25 | orsonj | apt keeps track of the programs I have installed |
| 16:52.54 | mindjuju | orsonj, looking more for something to track pictures, video, audio, fonts |
| 16:52.54 | mindjuju | thumbnail the images, etc |
| 16:52.54 | mindjuju | document licensure . |
| 16:52.54 | mindjuju | etc |
| 16:54.02 | orsonj | picasa type programs are about as close as I get to that |
| 16:54.04 | utahcon | mindjuju: I use Google Notebook, well I did. |
| 16:54.18 | utahcon | Wasn't the best tool for the job, but it did what I needed. |
| 16:55.54 | DexterTheDragon | unfortionately google notepad has been discontinued |
| 16:56.01 | mindjuju | ah |
| 16:59.17 | utahcon | I moved my stuff to ubernote |
| 16:59.28 | utahcon | well I copied it in hopes that Google Notebook won't ever go away. |
| 16:59.47 | utahcon | it is basic stuff though |
| 16:59.57 | utahcon | Maybe we should start a group project? |
| 17:06.54 | unum | I'm tired |
| 17:07.04 | unum | and I don't even have little ones keeping me up |
| 17:07.08 | orsonj | wrong group to complain to |
| 17:07.25 | orsonj | but, yeah it seems to be a problem around here |
| 17:07.32 | unum | I can blame the lupis :) |
| 17:10.14 | mgeary | you know, digg.com is fun and all, but IMHO, there's a huge overabundance of: |
| 17:10.14 | mgeary | Marijuana posts |
| 17:10.15 | mgeary | "if you believe in God, you're an idiot" posts |
| 17:10.15 | mgeary | sports-centric posts |
| 17:11.27 | josephscott | people still read digg.com? |
| 17:11.42 | mgeary | less and less, methinks |
| 17:11.50 | unum | I could never get into digg |
| 17:11.54 | utahcon | Digg: The RSS reader for people without Google Reader |
| 17:12.09 | unum | seriously |
| 17:12.21 | unum | slashdot has always met my needs much better than digg has |
| 17:12.29 | utahcon | actually more like for people who don't understand RSS |
| 17:12.42 | utahcon | slashdot hates me, they never post my book reviews :D |
| 17:12.44 | utahcon | oh well |
| 17:14.22 | unum | I remember people telling me that diggs fit the open source model better, but that's not true. for example I've never had the ability to vote on what patches go into the kernel |
| 17:14.25 | unum | nor should I |
| 17:14.42 | unum | there's always been a benevolent dictator |
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| 17:18.06 | beandog | meh, digg. |
| 17:18.22 | beandog | techdirt++ |
| 17:19.48 | unum | does tech dirt cover "your rights online" type of stuff |
| 17:19.59 | unum | that's one of my favorite /. things |
| 17:20.09 | beandog | slashdot is such tripe |
| 17:20.15 | beandog | I cant even stomach reading it anymore |
| 17:20.28 | unum | it's still my favorite of all of them |
| 17:20.29 | beandog | they make a mountain out of every mole hill |
| 17:20.36 | unum | I don't really care for any of the others |
| 17:20.44 | beandog | but, I gotta admit, the comments are hilarious. |
| 17:20.55 | unum | I only read the comments on the polls |
| 17:22.41 | beandog | ah well |
| 17:22.53 | beandog | techdirt.com if you're interested |
| 17:22.56 | beandog | well written up articles |
| 17:41.29 | cro | ooh, github is sick this morning. |
| 17:50.56 | cro | github is better now. That must be some soup. |
| 17:52.02 | utahcon | It was made form the concentrate of my glow. |
| 18:14.14 | mindjuju | so just before dinner on Saturday, i decide there is a few moments, so pop up Flash Tower Defense |
| 18:14.27 | mindjuju | my son sees me playing and decides he wants to play too |
| 18:16.39 | utahcon | age? |
| 18:16.45 | mindjuju | 6 |
| 18:16.52 | utahcon | no worse than worm |
| 18:16.54 | utahcon | worms |
| 18:17.19 | mindjuju | true that |
| 18:22.28 | utahcon | My daughter (4) watches me play games. I try to keep her from watching the really violent ones. But she turns and laughs at me whenever Mario dies. |
| 18:24.34 | brasto | hey guys, if you have a hung remote ssh session, there's a couple key strokes to get back your local terminal. Something like .* or :*. Anyone here know what it is? |
| 18:25.00 | cro | It's ~.<NO CARRIER> |
| 18:25.05 | cro | just kidding |
| 18:25.13 | cro | Hit carriage return |
| 18:25.31 | cro | then ~? for help |
| 18:26.23 | brasto | $ |
| 18:26.23 | brasto | $~? |
| 18:26.24 | brasto | bash: ~?: command not found |
| 18:26.29 | orsonj | hmm, I've noticed times where it seems hung, but keystrokes get through, but I can't see them. |
| 18:27.49 | brasto | oops, I see now cro, I accidentally it return and ~? in my local terminal. |
| 18:27.50 | unum | I have that happen if I improperly exit an ncurses app |
| 18:27.58 | brasto | it works in the remote one |
| 18:29.39 | herlo | <enter>~. |
| 18:29.47 | brasto | so, cro, orsonj, and unum, the sequence is to hit enter first , then ~. |
| 18:30.12 | brasto | including the dot after the tilde... |
| 18:30.13 | herlo | brasto: <enter> clears the buffers, the ~. is what terminates the ssh session |
| 18:30.13 | Dezertol | you can do ctrl + l |
| 18:30.19 | Dezertol | to refresh the window |
| 18:30.57 | brasto | ok |
| 18:32.35 | orsonj | s/probably/probably not/ (now that I know what to do) |
| 18:32.45 | brasto | herlo, does that also kill any processes you were running remotely in that session? |
| 18:33.09 | herlo | depends, it won't kill screen |
| 18:33.16 | herlo | but any process that doesn't fork, yes |
| 18:33.41 | herlo | er, rather any process that isn't a child process anymore |
| 18:34.03 | brasto | is it best to reconnect and double-check any processes that might be running as a result of your hung command then? |
| 18:37.33 | herlo | probably |
| 18:44.06 | mindjuju | ~beavis brasto hung |
| 18:44.07 | jbot | <beavis>brasto said hung</beavis> |
| 18:46.20 | brasto | odd... how is it that du says one folder in /var is 40 gigs, but df says the entire /var filesystem is not even one gig? |
| 18:47.34 | unum | do you have a link or a submount? |
| 18:47.45 | unum | what happens when you run du -s /var |
| 18:47.49 | mindjuju | will it do that if you have a seperate partiion or drive inside of /var ? |
| 18:48.30 | cro | yeah, sometimes /var/spool or /var/log is a separate filesystem |
| 18:48.38 | unum | mindjuju: I'm just making up words, so I'm not so sure |
| 18:48.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:49.07 | mindjuju | alls i know is that I have a separate hdd as a folder under /var |
| 18:49.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:49.17 | cro | yeah, that's it |
| 18:49.22 | cro | try 'du -x /var' |
| 18:49.28 | cro | won't cross filesystems |
| 18:50.31 | brasto | df should show all filesystems, and there's no filesystem that is a subfolder to /var listed when I do df. Running suggested du commands. |
| 18:52.36 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.56 | cro | you have a mount somewhere |
| 18:53.00 | cro | or a softlink |
| 18:53.04 | cro | what does 'mount -a' say? |
| 18:53.24 | cro | (or just "mount", only root can 'mount -a') |
| 18:53.38 | brasto | sudo mount -a returns nothing |
| 18:53.51 | brasto | mount returns the same volumes reported by df |
| 18:53.57 | cro | duh, getting my different unices mixed up |
| 18:54.00 | cro | leave off the -a |
| 18:55.05 | brasto | same if I manually look at /etc/fstab |
| 18:55.38 | brasto | they all show a filesystem for /, /tmp, /usr, and /var |
| 18:55.57 | brasto | this, btw, is a freebsd install |
| 18:56.15 | cro | ok, then it's a softlink somewhere inside of /var |
| 18:56.42 | cro | like sometimes /var/tmp points to /tmp |
| 18:56.47 | cro | ls -la /var |
| 18:58.39 | macnewbold | ls -laF /var |
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| 18:58.51 | brasto | what's really odd is the combined total for all filesystems is nowhere near the total of just one subfolder in /var. |
| 19:00.00 | brasto | now i know hardlinks are used between some folders for backing up, but I'm looking at a folder without hardlinks between any of it's subfolders. |
| 19:00.17 | macnewbold | df -lh |
| 19:00.32 | macnewbold | you can't hardlink a folder/directory anyway |
| 19:00.34 | macnewbold | only soft linke |
| 19:00.41 | macnewbold | s/linke/link |
| 19:00.41 | cro | You can as root :-) |
| 19:00.45 | cro | not like it's a good idea |
| 19:00.56 | cro | can't hardlink across filesystems anyway, and a file with more than one hardlink only takes the space of the one file. |
| 19:01.05 | brasto | yea, the hardlinks are between files |
| 19:01.33 | macnewbold | " Hard links may not normally refer to directories and may not span file systems." |
| 19:01.33 | brasto | ls -la /var shows no subfolders to /var that are symlinked. |
| 19:01.43 | cro | down deeper in the tree then |
| 19:01.45 | cro | cd /var |
| 19:02.05 | cro | find . -type l -ls |
| 19:02.10 | cro | shows you all the softlinks in the filesystem |
| 19:05.21 | brasto | good one cro. There are only 4 symlinks. All 4 point to something in /usr/local/ |
| 19:05.43 | cro | great! |
| 19:05.52 | cro | solve the extra space discrepancy? |
| 19:06.38 | brasto | ah, yep. and the other issue was that when I looked at the space in the /usr filesystem, I didn't read the number right. |
| 19:14.49 | orsonj | Millions, Billions, what's the difference? |
| 19:15.59 | brasto | tx cro, unum, mindjuju,and macnewbold |
| 19:16.13 | cro | np, anytime, glad to help |
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| 19:51.52 | mindjuju | gmail is working for me |
| 19:52.09 | utahcon | there it goes |
| 19:58.02 | cro | wow, first he fixes github, now gmail, what's next? |
| 20:02.44 | brasto | http server people, in the conf file, I often use PermanentRedirect. I see someone on this server has used Redirect permanent. Is there a difference between these two? |
| 20:03.24 | brasto | doh |
| 20:03.38 | brasto | s/PermanentRedirect/RedirectPermanent/ |
| 20:03.53 | brasto | ~wake jbot |
| 20:03.53 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on jbot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:08.02 | beandog | ~tired |
| 20:08.03 | jbot | rumour has it, tired is a state of conciesness between soda and coffee |
| 20:08.09 | beandog | heh |
| 20:15.23 | mgeary | hey mindjuju |
| 20:15.29 | beandog | man |
| 20:16.15 | mindjuju | mgeary, i'm here |
| 20:27.20 | SunSparc | ~nap beandog |
| 20:27.21 | jbot | ACTION gives beandog an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending beandog to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple. |
| 20:27.52 | beandog | macbook pro! |
| 20:28.00 | SunSparc | Where!?! |
| 20:28.25 | SunSparc | Ah, hehe, large apple. |
| 20:28.36 | SunSparc | There you go, a nap and an apple |
| 20:31.28 | beandog | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/fda_approves_depressant_drug_for |
| 20:32.03 | beandog | lmao, tested on hundreds of realtors, kindergartners |
| 20:33.10 | SunSparc | LOL!!! |
| 20:37.32 | brasto | fungus, do you know if there's a difference in httpd.conf between `Redirect permanent` and RedirectPermanent? |
| 20:38.02 | Dezertol | if I had to guess.. I would say the one with the space doesn't work |
| 20:38.03 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:38.11 | SunSparc | No, they are both valid. |
| 20:38.21 | SunSparc | I think the first may be older syntax. |
| 20:38.36 | SunSparc | Perhaps deprecated... |
| 20:38.55 | brasto | i would have guessed the same, but Vim syntax highlighting works for it, and it appears to work sometimes, but not all the time. |
| 20:39.11 | brasto | maybe I can find it in httpd server documentation... |
| 20:39.20 | SunSparc | I would stick with the later. |
| 20:39.41 | SunSparc | or latter. |
| 20:39.44 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:47.17 | fungus | Exactly the same |
| 20:47.21 | fungus | brasto |
| 20:47.23 | fungus | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_alias.html#redirectpermanent |
| 20:47.47 | Dezertol | fungus hey I tested my up/down speeds and you where right |
| 20:48.15 | Dezertol | I was sure they told me 4 meg on the upload when I signed up like 3 years go |
| 20:48.19 | Dezertol | but.. o well |
| 20:48.19 | fungus | Yeah, that's the biggest drawback to DSL |
| 20:48.43 | fungus | Though, it's a very small drawback, compared to the benefits. |
| 20:48.46 | Dezertol | I'm half tempted to get a one room office somwhere in Utiopia land |
| 20:48.53 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:48.54 | brasto | good find fungus. I overlooked that last sentence that says it's exactly the same more than a couple times. |
| 20:49.22 | herlo | fungus: do you consider latency a benefit? DSL seems less and less useful to me as demand rises |
| 20:49.47 | Dezertol | DSL is a dedicated circut |
| 20:49.53 | Dezertol | so the "lag" is from the isp |
| 20:50.15 | herlo | that may be, but no ISP that I can think of can solve that problem, seems to always be there |
| 20:50.30 | Dezertol | I've not had any issues on mine |
| 20:50.32 | Dezertol | using xmission |
| 20:51.09 | fungus | herlo: what do mean latency? Do you think DSL latency is worse than Cable latency? |
| 20:51.24 | herlo | from my experience, dsl latency is much greater |
| 20:51.50 | herlo | throughput otoh, is usually better |
| 20:52.58 | fungus | my first hop latency is about 38ms |
| 20:52.58 | fungus | What is normal for Cable? |
| 20:52.58 | Dezertol | I'd take DSL over cable any day |
| 20:52.58 | Dezertol | static ip |
| 20:52.58 | Dezertol | no service/hosting resitrctinos |
| 20:52.58 | herlo | Dezertol: that's an isp limitation, not the cable's limitation |
| 20:52.58 | Dezertol | correct |
| 20:52.58 | fungus | herlo: yes it is an ISP limitation |
| 20:53.00 | fungus | But, with DSL you can *choose* your ISP |
| 20:53.05 | fungus | with Cable you are locked in |
| 20:53.07 | Dezertol | but.. try to host a webserver on your cable connection |
| 20:53.07 | herlo | sort of |
| 20:53.11 | Dezertol | witout paying for business line |
| 20:53.22 | herlo | Dezertol: I used to do it all the time |
| 20:53.25 | herlo | never had an issue |
| 20:53.30 | Dezertol | on on comcast |
| 20:53.34 | Dezertol | they block port 80 |
| 20:53.36 | Dezertol | last I checked |
| 20:53.42 | Dezertol | and mail |
| 20:53.45 | unum | I paid for a business line and they kept losing me connection so often I had to switch to linode |
| 20:53.47 | herlo | Dezertol: hmm, must be a < 1year change |
| 20:53.54 | unum | other places block their mail.... |
| 20:54.14 | herlo | fungus: off-hand don't recall the latency of cable, but I'll check when I get a moment |
| 20:54.36 | fungus | ok, I am curious, I want to know. |
| 20:54.41 | orsonj | It's all better than the latency of sattelite |
| 20:54.48 | Dezertol | the cable networks are eaiser to hack |
| 20:55.16 | fungus | The point is, that DSL gives you the freedom of choice of ISPs. With cable you are locked in, no recourse. |
| 20:55.43 | Dezertol | I've never used Cable.. I only know that I hear people crying about it all the time |
| 20:55.46 | mgeary | anyone here played with Amazon S3? |
| 20:56.02 | Dezertol | my bro uses it for his business |
| 20:56.09 | Dezertol | and he'd change to dsl if he could |
| 20:56.12 | Dezertol | but can't qualify |
| 20:56.51 | Dezertol | anyone know if it's ok to mass delete users from phpbb3? on the back end |
| 20:56.59 | Dezertol | lol I have forum that got forgotton about |
| 20:57.01 | mgeary | do they really only have a http upload for S3? We were considering using it for serving up of high-bandwidth files, but the thought of uploading a gig of data over http is painful |
| 20:57.08 | Dezertol | has like 800 bs users |
| 20:57.09 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:03.34 | SunSparc | Dezertol: If I remember correctly, phpBB has user information in multiple tables. |
| 21:04.03 | SunSparc | Although, I have not delved into the code or db schema for v3 |
| 21:04.11 | Dezertol | I just used "drop table phpbb3" |
| 21:04.12 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:04.22 | Dezertol | don't care enough to worry bout cleaning it up |
| 21:04.28 | SunSparc | heh, that works |
| 21:04.30 | Dezertol | it wasn't an active forum |
| 21:04.31 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:04.40 | Dezertol | unless you consider spam active that is |
| 21:04.41 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:04.45 | josephscott | mgeary: what's wrong with HTTP PUT and POST for uploads? |
| 21:05.01 | SunSparc | aka, REST |
| 21:05.50 | mgeary | josephscott: well, i was hoping to be able to use some sort of standard (s)ftp/ssh client |
| 21:06.10 | mgeary | but that'd be too easy |
| 21:06.14 | mgeary | apparently |
| 21:06.21 | josephscott | there are guis that support S3 that you can use |
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| 21:12.01 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 21:20.51 | mindjuju | Ooooohhhh the anger sharks are swimming! |
| 21:21.13 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:21.19 | mindjuju | love that movie |
| 21:21.50 | mindjuju | finally are GD becomes non-AWOL and a has gracefully shifted out to deep-extended-left field |
| 21:21.58 | mindjuju | like by the back fence deep left field |
| 21:22.17 | orsonj | apparently there is an s3 option for fuse (userspace filesystem) It would allow any file manager to use s3 |
| 21:26.50 | beandog | I wonder how much my browser would speed up if I disabled all scripts |
| 21:27.09 | beandog | I dont get sometimes how, no matter how fast my computer is, webpages still take too long to load. |
| 21:28.05 | mgeary | planned obsolescence |
| 21:28.14 | beandog | actually its just seamonkey |
| 21:28.15 | beandog | -_- |
| 21:28.17 | beandog | bleh |
| 21:30.27 | macnewbold | *cough* firefox is better than seamonkey *cough* |
| 21:30.39 | beandog | bleh |
| 21:30.42 | beandog | I cant stand firefox. |
| 21:30.47 | beandog | way too many stupid UI decisions. |
| 21:31.04 | mindjuju | ~ff++ |
| 21:31.06 | brasto | ~firefox beandog |
| 21:31.22 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: lynx ftw! |
| 21:31.40 | mindjuju | decisions even |
| 21:31.44 | beandog | I love text browsers |
| 21:31.56 | brasto | ~firefox $1 is <action> speeds up $1 by loading $1 in Firefox |
| 21:31.57 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 21:32.05 | brasto | ~firefox beandog |
| 21:32.06 | jbot | ACTION speeds up beandog by loading beandog in Firefox |
| 21:32.10 | brasto | :) |
| 21:32.18 | mgeary | ~safari++ |
| 21:32.29 | beandog | mindjuju, I dunno, just a matter of preference I guess |
| 21:32.36 | beandog | I can't ever find *anything* I want |
| 21:32.39 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 21:32.56 | beandog | ah well. |
| 21:33.05 | SunSparc | ~best browser |
| 21:33.06 | jbot | it has been said that best browser is Safari |
| 21:33.11 | fungus | Firefox has a good feature vs. speed balance IMHO |
| 21:33.26 | SunSparc | ~karma Safari |
| 21:33.27 | jbot | safari has karma of 5 |
| 21:33.28 | fungus | Safari is faster than FF, but has less fetures |
| 21:33.33 | SunSparc | ~karma Firefox |
| 21:33.33 | jbot | firefox has karma of 2 |
| 21:33.36 | fungus | s/fet/feat/ |
| 21:33.40 | SunSparc | ~karma IE |
| 21:33.40 | jbot | ie has karma of -9 |
| 21:34.03 | mgeary | ~IE-- |
| 21:34.05 | beandog | konqueror isn't bad, but it has issues on a non-kde desktop |
| 21:34.09 | DexterTheDragon | also safari doesn't run on Linux |
| 21:34.19 | fungus | eww, konqueror? |
| 21:34.35 | fungus | that is really slow, and ugly, and very limited on features. WTF? |
| 21:34.36 | DexterTheDragon | ~konqueror++ |
| 21:34.42 | fungus | ~konqueror-- |
| 21:35.07 | DexterTheDragon | ~konqueror++ * a billion |
| 21:35.18 | fungus | ~konqueror-- * infinity |
| 21:35.42 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v Dezertol] by ChanServ |
| 21:35.54 | mindjuju | Congrats Dezertol |
| 21:36.36 | mindjuju | dagit eggyknap, your nick wasn't registered so it foobed my voice request |
| 21:36.39 | DexterTheDragon | although I think the konq devs need to stop using khtml and switch to webkit |
| 21:36.57 | fungus | ~webkit++ |
| 21:36.58 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v eggyknap] by ChanServ |
| 21:37.03 | mindjuju | oh wait, it is, weird |
| 21:37.05 | mindjuju | my bad |
| 21:37.35 | mgeary | ~webkit++ |
| 21:37.58 | beandog | http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html |
| 21:37.59 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v utahcon] by ChanServ |
| 21:38.05 | mindjuju | congrats utahcon |
| 21:38.30 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v cycokilr] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.07 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v olds] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.11 | DexterTheDragon | http://code.google.com/p/arora/ |
| 21:39.18 | mindjuju | congrats cycokilr and old |
| 21:39.32 | beandog | qt4? meh |
| 21:41.06 | mindjuju | i like it better the other way when I would grant voice by setting access level, cause then i got to give the newly voiced person, the ceremonial booting of upgrade, kick them out of the chan so they can join back in and have the voice applied |
| 21:42.04 | brasto | anyone know why when I try to do a RedirectPermanent / https://somesecuresite/ for https traffic on port 443, I get this in a browser window: |
| 21:42.23 | brasto | Secure Connection Failed |
| 21:42.42 | brasto | An error occured during a connection to www.example.com |
| 21:42.53 | brasto | SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length |
| 21:43.10 | brasto | apache error log has nothing that i could find |
| 21:43.17 | mindjuju | though it's been more than a year since i set up SSL on apache, so don't remember the specifics |
| 21:43.28 | mindjuju | except that I begged fungus and dexterthedragon for tons of help |
| 21:43.31 | eggyknap | mindjuju: I'm not registered? |
| 21:43.36 | brasto | continuing error: |
| 21:43.39 | utahcon | congrats? |
| 21:43.54 | brasto | (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long) |
| 21:44.10 | mindjuju | eggyknap - you are registered, i just foobed when granting voice |
| 21:44.12 | mindjuju | my bad |
| 21:44.23 | mindjuju | utahcon - congrats, you've been granted the voice icon |
| 21:44.28 | brasto | The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. |
| 21:44.34 | mindjuju | means you're cool, in the club, hip, trendy, etc |
| 21:44.41 | utahcon | oh |
| 21:44.42 | brasto | Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem. |
| 21:44.43 | utahcon | w00t! |
| 21:44.48 | brasto | end of error |
| 21:44.50 | brasto | ? |
| 21:45.25 | mindjuju | it's a mix of a couple of things |
| 21:45.47 | mindjuju | how active you are on the chan, do you help others, do i have time to remember how to grant voice |
| 21:45.50 | mgeary | but good looks is not one of them |
| 21:45.53 | fungus | brasto: does https://somesecuresite/ work by itself? |
| 21:45.56 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:46.18 | brasto | yep |
| 21:46.40 | brasto | I'm just trying to enforce putting the www in front, which is what the redirect is for |
| 21:46.55 | brasto | even though I'd rather enforce the opposite |
| 21:47.04 | brasto | lose the pointless www |
| 21:47.09 | brasto | they want the www |
| 21:47.12 | utahcon | Well cool. I am happy to have the privilege of being awesome. |
| 21:47.36 | orsonj | tell them "Ok, but it costs extra" |
| 21:47.38 | utahcon | www is 24 bits of waste |
| 21:49.16 | Dezertol | mindjuju thanks for the voice ;-) |
| 21:49.36 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:50.08 | fungus | brasto: is the site available publicly? |
| 21:50.39 | mindjuju | now we just need to work on #uphpu leather biker jackets for the ops |
| 21:51.01 | utahcon | only for a kick ass leather jacket though |
| 21:52.45 | fungus | maybe it should be a spiked leather boot instead of a crown. |
| 21:53.02 | Dezertol | so is there an official "I hate internet explorere group" that I can join |
| 21:53.50 | Dezertol | been fighting it all weekend |
| 21:53.53 | Dezertol | and again today |
| 21:54.15 | Dezertol | cant use setAttribute or getAttribute on "events" |
| 21:54.29 | _psychic_ | yeah - to gain admittance to the group, you have to post something on the internet |
| 21:54.34 | _psychic_ | then you're in. |
| 21:54.38 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:54.39 | Dezertol | woot |
| 21:55.13 | Dezertol | way a head of you |
| 21:55.16 | SunSparc | ihateie.com |
| 21:55.20 | unum | web developers against internet explorer |
| 21:55.21 | beandog | heh |
| 21:55.22 | brasto | fungus, yep, https://moregoodfoundation.org/ |
| 21:55.35 | Dezertol | awsome |
| 21:55.36 | brasto | http://moregoodfoundation.org has the same redirect, and it works |
| 21:55.43 | beandog | As of 3/1/05: 223 visitors hate IE. |
| 21:55.53 | brasto | except, of course, the redirect is to http instead of to https |
| 21:56.43 | fungus | you didn't understand me then. |
| 21:56.55 | fungus | I asked if https://moregoodfoundation.org/ works |
| 21:57.03 | fungus | The answer is no. |
| 21:57.16 | brasto | oh... yep |
| 21:57.18 | fungus | Fix the SSL stuff before thinking about the redirect stuff |
| 21:57.31 | brasto | oh, it does work as soon as I turn off the ssl |
| 21:57.34 | brasto | not |
| 21:57.46 | brasto | wait i meant to say as soon as i turn off the redirect |
| 21:58.16 | orsonj | ascii art admin jacket, search for jacket: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/new.htm |
| 21:58.19 | fungus | You are probably missing SSLEngine On |
| 21:58.56 | brasto | all i did just now is comment out the redirect and it works |
| 22:00.26 | beandog | Im fading |
| 22:00.28 | beandog | quick! a funny url! |
| 22:00.44 | unum | expertsexchange.com |
| 22:01.02 | DexterTheDragon | hehehe |
| 22:01.58 | brasto | i don't think i need ssl engine on for the redirected virt host since it's just redirected but I'll try enabling that. |
| 22:02.20 | fungus | brasto: all SSL sites need SSLEngine on |
| 22:02.31 | fungus | all non-ssl sites must not have it |
| 22:02.54 | fungus | you should not combine non-ssl vhosts into ssl vhosts |
| 22:03.29 | fungus | You should have 4 total vhosts |
| 22:04.34 | *** join/#uphpu PoeticIntensity (n=jason@67.137.24.218) |
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| 22:04.41 | brasto | fungus, this is what I mean: I have a <VirtualHost *:443> with nothing but the redirected stuff in it. Then I have a <VirtualHost *:443> for the domain that all these others redirect to, and in that one, SSLengine is on. |
| 22:05.19 | PoeticIntensity | beandog tells me you all are fairly boring today... |
| 22:05.21 | PoeticIntensity | what gives? |
| 22:05.23 | fungus | all *:443 should have SSL on |
| 22:05.39 | PoeticIntensity | ~rlart |
| 22:05.40 | jbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of jnbek |
| 22:06.29 | beandog | eh, whot? |
| 22:06.38 | brasto | Example: <VirtualHost *:443> |
| 22:06.38 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.38 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.38 | brasto | </VirtualHost> |
| 22:06.39 | PoeticIntensity | hehe. |
| 22:06.46 | fungus | brasto: naughty |
| 22:06.53 | fungus | must have SSL stuff |
| 22:07.18 | brasto | well, I just tried with SSLEngine On in there and I get the same problem. |
| 22:08.05 | fungus | You need the cert stuff in there too |
| 22:08.13 | fungus | It's a full SSL Vhost |
| 22:08.59 | fungus | Or you could just post your relevant vhost configs to a pastebin |
| 22:11.19 | fungus | wait a minute, you can only have one vhost per ssl IP |
| 22:11.26 | brasto | that did it |
| 22:12.12 | *** join/#uphpu supernovia (n=Velda@c-67-164-250-20.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:12.28 | orsonj | looks like it works, but you need to fork out cash for an extra cert |
| 22:12.57 | brasto | well, the cert is for www.moregoodfoundation.org |
| 22:13.09 | thebigdog | there are some ssl certs that work on ports too...but they are non standard |
| 22:13.25 | brasto | The redirect is for moregoodfoundation.org without the www. |
| 22:13.42 | orsonj | yep, need to get a cert for without the www |
| 22:13.46 | herlo | orsonj: you don't need certs, cacert.org |
| 22:14.09 | herlo | s/certs/to buy more certs/ |
| 22:14.10 | brasto | I like cacert.org, and got a couple certs for my own sites from there. |
| 22:14.35 | fungus | herlo: is their root in most browsers? |
| 22:14.44 | herlo | fungus: iirc, yes |
| 22:14.52 | fungus | nice. |
| 22:14.58 | herlo | fungus: it's a web of trust |
| 22:15.00 | brasto | however, for a business, cacert.org may not be best since it's not a recognized cert authority, and you have to tell the browser you want to allow it. |
| 22:15.22 | herlo | brasto: it's in FF3 iirc |
| 22:15.36 | orsonj | well, most people don't have the cacert root installed |
| 22:15.38 | fungus | um, I tried https://www.cacert.org/ |
| 22:15.44 | fungus | it didn't work. :( |
| 22:15.45 | herlo | but since it's a web of trust, you would want to embed... |
| 22:16.30 | herlo | fungus: nope they aint |
| 22:16.47 | herlo | maybe we can get them in as a trusted org |
| 22:16.56 | fungus | Then it's almost useless unfortunately. |
| 22:16.59 | herlo | they really should be... |
| 22:17.09 | herlo | fungus: for now... |
| 22:17.30 | fungus | right |
| 22:17.57 | brasto | fungus, it's useful for sites you use yourself :) |
| 22:18.10 | fungus | brasto: I got my own personal CA for that stuff. |
| 22:18.17 | orsonj | likewise |
| 22:18.18 | brasto | herlo, i'd love to see them made a trusted org |
| 22:18.35 | brasto | ah, true fungus |
| 22:18.42 | brasto | that works |
| 22:19.33 | brasto | fungus, one other thing, you can have the multiple certs on the same IP, but you have to use a different port, so it's ugly |
| 22:19.42 | brasto | of course you probably already knew that |
| 22:20.47 | fungus | brasto: yup, getting another IP is usually easier than going through the port mess. |
| 22:21.35 | supernovia | howdy guys |
| 22:22.12 | mgeary | mmm. well, thanks, beandog, for all those donuts |
| 22:22.21 | mgeary | you sure there's none left? |
| 22:22.42 | beandog | cuando esta beandog, no hay donuts |
| 22:23.00 | Dezertol | how does the "unlimited subdomains" thing work |
| 22:23.05 | Dezertol | http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?ci=9039 |
| 22:23.58 | Dezertol | I was under the impression that.. you could only have one per ip |
| 22:24.20 | beandog | nope |
| 22:24.24 | supernovia | you can have multiple subdomains on an IP with a wildcard ssl |
| 22:24.24 | beandog | you can have unlimited domains per ip |
| 22:24.35 | mgeary | but how many donuts per domain? |
| 22:24.36 | supernovia | but not unlimited domains unless I'm mistaken |
| 22:24.40 | beandog | mgeary, 3 |
| 22:24.56 | mgeary | ah, hence the "www". One for each donut |
| 22:24.57 | Dezertol | I mean ssl ones |
| 22:25.06 | beandog | oh, ssl, yah |
| 22:25.07 | Dezertol | the ssl certs |
| 22:25.19 | Dezertol | per godaddy say "unlimited subdomains" |
| 22:25.51 | Dezertol | I've only ever used one per ssl cert |
| 22:25.56 | Dezertol | and one per ip |
| 22:26.09 | Dezertol | well not and.. more like with |
| 22:26.13 | orsonj | not all browsers handle wildcard certs the same |
| 22:26.22 | Dezertol | o.. |
| 22:26.32 | Dezertol | so it's not worth it? |
| 22:26.39 | Dezertol | not that I would need 100 subdomains |
| 22:26.46 | Dezertol | but just wondering how it works |
| 22:27.09 | supernovia | it's handy for shared ssl certs is all |
| 22:27.19 | supernovia | like somerandomstore.xshops.com |
| 22:27.30 | Dezertol | ya.. I can see that |
| 22:27.31 | orsonj | some let you do *.*.*.domain while other browsers only do *.domain |
| 22:27.45 | supernovia | the wildcards they're selling onlywork for *.domain |
| 22:27.48 | Dezertol | does ie and ff work with it |
| 22:28.04 | Dezertol | I don't typically buy stuff from godaddy |
| 22:28.20 | supernovia | godaddy ssls = starfield . they're a pita to install but they're OK. |
| 22:28.22 | Dezertol | but.. noticed it the other day |
| 22:28.41 | beandog | I startings witching mine over to namecheap from godaddy |
| 22:28.49 | beandog | I'm tired of godaddys crappy UI |
| 22:28.58 | beandog | general |
| 22:29.03 | supernovia | yean namecheap gives you a free ssl with a domain signup I think (at least my friend was saying so the other day) |
| 22:29.14 | beandog | supernovia, yah, I just saw that today |
| 22:29.16 | beandog | good for one year |
| 22:29.26 | Dezertol | I've used domainmonger.com for a long time |
| 22:29.30 | beandog | with transfer, too |
| 22:29.44 | Dezertol | it's to much hassle to move |
| 22:29.46 | Dezertol | lol |
| 22:30.32 | supernovia | only .co.uk's are that bad :) |
| 22:30.36 | supernovia | and .ca's |
| 22:31.32 | Dezertol | wow does anyone actually $1000.00 for a 2 year ssl cert -> https://www.thawte.com/ssl-digital-certificates/buy-ssl-certificates/?click=buyssl-buttonsleft |
| 22:31.48 | Dezertol | arn't they like $15.00 from anyone else |
| 22:31.59 | beandog | where do you think ubuntu got all their cash? |
| 22:32.05 | beandog | savvy shoppers? |
| 22:33.13 | beandog | wow, what a confusing website |
| 22:34.56 | fungus | My company paid $1296 for a 5-yr wildcard cert |
| 22:35.14 | beandog | I know theres different levels of SSL certs |
| 22:35.17 | beandog | I can't remember what they are |
| 22:35.23 | beandog | but that there are reasons some of them are spendy |
| 22:35.30 | supernovia | higher insurance on some of them |
| 22:35.42 | beandog | self-signed is good enough for me |
| 22:35.49 | brasto | ~ttfn |
| 22:35.50 | jbot | i heard ttfn is Ta-ta for now. |
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| 22:41.10 | thebigdog | kk mgeary |
| 22:41.28 | mgeary | UR GR8, thebigdog |
| 22:42.29 | beandog | I wonder if those old Bond films look any different on BluRay |
| 22:42.35 | beandog | seems like theyre just slappin em on there |
| 22:42.47 | beandog | at the rate they are coming out, I doubt they did much to them. |
| 22:45.02 | orsonj | no kidding, probably need to rent them just to see if the extra dough is worth it |
| 22:45.48 | supernovia | even though it's on .. :-/ all this work and I -still- don't get much of a kick out of tV :-/ |
| 22:46.51 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:47.09 | mgeary | yeah, we only discovered about 3 days ago that the digital broadcast switch had happened, and we don't get any TV any more |
| 22:49.14 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/03/23/monkey-kills-abusive-owner/ |
| 22:49.21 | beandog | mgeary, really? |
| 22:49.25 | mgeary | yep |
| 22:49.31 | beandog | mgeary, did all of UT's channels go dark on analog already |
| 22:49.36 | orsonj | I didn't notice any problems with hulu during the switchover |
| 22:49.38 | mgeary | UT? |
| 22:49.39 | mgeary | oh |
| 22:49.44 | beandog | orsonj, lols |
| 22:49.55 | mgeary | well, i think some of the upper-range channels may still be broadcasting analog |
| 22:49.57 | beandog | I actually unplugged my comcast cable about a week ago |
| 22:50.00 | beandog | haven't noticed a difference yet |
| 22:50.01 | beandog | heh |
| 22:50.21 | orsonj | beandog: yep, ping time isn't that great |
| 22:50.30 | supernovia | I've turned on a recorded good eats.my brother says I'd like it |
| 22:50.33 | supernovia | (but the phone rang instead) |
| 22:51.14 | beandog | ~whaleslap supernovia's brother |
| 22:51.15 | jbot | ACTION beats supernovia's brother upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:51.31 | supernovia | Hugh the huge whale eh? |
| 22:51.35 | orsonj | that took me way too long to figure out that eats.my wasn't supposed to be a website |
| 22:51.37 | supernovia | so yeah I don't watch TV :-( |
| 22:51.47 | supernovia | heheh |
| 22:51.52 | supernovia | sorry, sticky space bar? |
| 22:52.14 | beandog | ~hugh++ |
| 22:52.20 | beandog | ~karma hugh |
| 22:52.20 | jbot | hugh has karma of 1 |
| 22:52.24 | beandog | ~hugh |
| 22:52.24 | jbot | hugh is probably a dude who likes epoc32 as well as debian :-), or the one Whitney Houston will always love. one freakishly huge killer whale, suitable for whaleslapping, or the only one who can prevent forest fires. |
| 22:52.35 | supernovia | anyone know of a good php mem test? Ive got one that's exhausting at 32MB even though 96 are allocated according to the php.ini |
| 22:53.23 | beandog | I do memory_limit -1 |
| 22:53.27 | beandog | kinda dangerous sometimes. |
| 22:54.04 | mgeary | supernovia: xdebug |
| 22:54.06 | mgeary | xdebug+++++ |
| 22:54.07 | supernovia | well, he's phpinfo / php.ini's showing 96mb |
| 22:54.17 | *** join/#uphpu trave (n=chatzill@67.164.198.36) |
| 22:54.20 | supernovia | but his silly script quits at allocating 32mb |
| 22:54.26 | supernovia | checking it out, thanks mgeary |
| 22:54.40 | beandog | ~mgeary++ |
| 22:54.49 | mgeary | thanks |
| 22:55.03 | beandog | ~mgeary |
| 22:55.04 | jbot | [mgeary] Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 22:55.19 | supernovia | Flash Weenie. heehe |
| 22:55.28 | mgeary | yeah, about time to retract that |
| 22:55.58 | beandog | mmm, python |
| 22:56.08 | beandog | yet another language I'd learn if I had time. |
| 22:56.17 | supernovia | top |
| 22:56.20 | beandog | or devoted time, to be more accurate. |
| 22:56.22 | supernovia | ..wrong window. |
| 23:18.06 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |