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| 00:49.08 | Carmony_iPhone | Mindjuju: open the door. :) |
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| 00:58.48 | utahcon | who's not here? |
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| 01:22.01 | herlo | mindjuju: 14 folks... |
| 01:23.37 | utahcon | 15 now :D |
| 01:25.40 | herlo | yep |
| 01:25.47 | herlo | ~smartass utahcon |
| 01:25.47 | jbot | ACTION reminds utahcon that its better than being a dumbass |
| 01:26.08 | herlo | jbot: that's is spelled wrong, it's it's |
| 01:26.08 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, herlo |
| 01:26.13 | herlo | duh |
| 01:35.10 | utahcon | already this has been worth the trip to draper |
| 01:35.12 | utahcon | w00t! |
| 01:37.22 | herlo | utahcon: oh? Where do you live? |
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| 01:43.40 | utahcon | Holladay. |
| 01:43.57 | utahcon | I know.. _far_ away! |
| 01:47.02 | herlo | heh |
| 01:47.28 | utahcon | I live in Holladay, and work in WVC |
| 01:47.32 | utahcon | for now |
| 01:47.53 | herlo | ew WVC |
| 01:47.56 | herlo | :) |
| 01:48.34 | utahcon | I know... we list it as SLC on our mailing address |
| 01:48.49 | herlo | well, it *was* slc until the mid-80s |
| 01:51.31 | utahcon | At least their not trying to fly with the "Best Valley City" still |
| 01:53.04 | herlo | I lived there back in the early 90s, grateful I don't live/work there anymore :) |
| 01:53.27 | utahcon | If I can avoid it I will not live there... nothing there I like. |
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| 02:02.25 | Utah_Dave | herlo has a confused look on his face |
| 02:03.34 | utahcon | that is awesome! |
| 02:04.04 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I'm not completely confused |
| 02:04.29 | herlo | though my brain is beginning to hurt, something I generally impose upon my students |
| 02:07.02 | fungus | I'm filtering it a bit, because it's not yet in a stable release. |
| 02:08.02 | Utah_Dave | just kidding herlo |
| 02:10.30 | Utah_Dave | ~rank(herlo) |
| 02:15.59 | utahcon | typing is bad |
| 02:16.01 | utahcon | wait... |
| 02:24.51 | herlo | utahcon: we're still friends right? |
| 02:24.58 | herlo | er Utah_Dave |
| 02:26.42 | Utah_Dave | ~hug herlo |
| 02:26.43 | jbot | ACTION hugs herlo tightly until herlo turns slightly blue |
| 02:26.54 | herlo | awwwwww, jbot you can let go NOW!!! |
| 02:29.28 | utahcon | herlo: is there a reason we wouldn't be? |
| 02:29.42 | utahcon | herlo: how well must someone know python to join on the olpc venture? |
| 02:30.34 | herlo | utahcon: that was aimed at Utah_Dave but I tab completed incorrectly |
| 02:30.59 | utahcon | hazzah! |
| 02:31.02 | herlo | utahcon: as I understand it, the xo activities are simple python, so you could learn on the job. It could help you learn the language... |
| 02:31.47 | utahcon | I know just enough python to hurt things, and I am excited to learn more. If that is an option I would totally jump onboard. |
| 02:32.33 | herlo | k, sounds like you'd be a good candidate |
| 02:33.05 | Utah_Dave | herlo: have the olpc's arrived yet? |
| 02:34.03 | herlo | Utah_Dave: do I owe you one? I have 3 more in my car... |
| 02:34.15 | Utah_Dave | yep! |
| 02:34.16 | herlo | I didn't get an email from you, I think we talked via irc right? |
| 02:34.21 | herlo | k, you can have this one here |
| 02:34.22 | fungus | Sugar activities (applications) are pretty cool. a bit slow in performance, but quick to work on apps |
| 02:34.29 | Utah_Dave | I called you on my old fashioned cell phone |
| 02:36.02 | carmony | ~lart herlo |
| 02:36.02 | jbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at herlo |
| 02:37.37 | herlo | ~simpsons carmony |
| 02:37.38 | jbot | ACTION sends carmony chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 02:37.43 | herlo | enjoy the donut! |
| 02:37.48 | carmony | lol |
| 02:37.54 | carmony | I'm hungry.... |
| 02:38.24 | carmony | thanks for making me feel hungry... |
| 02:38.49 | herlo | carmony: there's a gourmet donut place just up the road, look right just before the freeway on the way to Applebee's :) |
| 02:38.58 | carmony | LOL |
| 02:39.03 | carmony | naw, I want meat! |
| 02:40.19 | herlo | carmony: don't eat me! |
| 02:41.44 | carmony | ~truck herlo |
| 02:41.47 | carmony | lol |
| 02:42.28 | fungus | jbot, truck $1 is <action> gasps in horror as a semi-truck smashes into $1 |
| 02:42.29 | jbot | okay, fungus |
| 02:45.37 | Utah_Dave | ~truck herlo |
| 02:45.38 | jbot | ACTION gasps in horror as a semi-truck smashes into herlo |
| 02:45.49 | herlo | ~travolta Utah_Dave |
| 02:45.50 | jbot | ACTION replaces Utah_Dave with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 02:56.38 | utahcon | I want to know more about this... |
| 02:56.41 | utahcon | but I am hungry too |
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| 02:57.30 | herlo | you guys are woosy |
| 03:04.04 | utahcon | for those who forgot to write it down, it will forever be in the log (or till the log is lost) www.elphel.com |
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| 04:22.50 | beandog | hmm, that's interesting. |
| 04:22.58 | beandog | well, kind of. |
| 04:23.04 | beandog | null > 0 and null < 0 are both false. |
| 04:23.05 | beandog | poo |
| 04:23.12 | beandog | how am I going to order by null, 0, 1, 2, etc. |
| 04:23.14 | beandog | meh. |
| 04:23.38 | beandog | oh well, this is way past simple code anyway. whats a few more lines. |
| 04:24.19 | beandog | I guess I could just convert null to -1 |
| 04:25.48 | beandog | ooh, I get to use xor |
| 04:31.53 | mgeary | beandog: ?? |
| 04:32.04 | mgeary | treating null like a number may not be a good idea |
| 04:32.28 | beandog | mgeary: Im doing a compare version function |
| 04:32.38 | beandog | So, you have, say foo-1.0_beta and foo-1.0_beta1 |
| 04:32.48 | beandog | first one would be a null value for beta level |
| 04:32.53 | beandog | er |
| 04:32.55 | beandog | wait. |
| 04:32.57 | beandog | I mean false. |
| 04:33.00 | beandog | but set. |
| 04:33.03 | beandog | second one, 1. |
| 04:33.08 | beandog | just trying to order them, is all |
| 04:33.09 | beandog | :) |
| 04:33.20 | mgeary | why wouldn't it be beta level zero? |
| 04:33.29 | beandog | because there are some with that |
| 04:33.32 | beandog | as well |
| 04:33.34 | beandog | makes things fun. |
| 04:33.40 | mgeary | bah |
| 04:33.42 | mgeary | i'll bet |
| 04:33.47 | beandog | soo foo-1.0_beta and foo-1.0_beta0 would both be valid values |
| 04:34.06 | beandog | fun sthuff |
| 04:34.07 | beandog | :) |
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| 05:06.12 | thebigdog | yes |
| 05:31.09 | beandog | oy |
| 05:31.19 | beandog | sometimes late-night code is the best code. |
| 05:33.13 | beandog | sometimes it just beats going to bed. |
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| 13:57.09 | utahcon | herlo: you in? |
| 14:16.07 | herlo | utahcon: what's up? |
| 14:16.21 | utahcon | I was going to ask you email address, but I found it. |
| 14:20.22 | herlo | yeah, I got the email |
| 14:20.24 | herlo | thanks utahcon |
| 14:21.40 | utahcon | Also wanted to talk about the conference for this fall. Wondering what you need help with, where I might be able to lend a hand. |
| 14:22.08 | Utah_Dave | herlo: did you get my email, too? |
| 14:22.17 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I did |
| 14:22.31 | herlo | I'll send you guys some info later today... |
| 14:23.16 | utahcon | thanks! |
| 14:23.31 | utahcon | How late did you guys keep the Applebees staff last night? |
| 14:24.21 | herlo | 4am |
| 14:25.01 | herlo | :) j/k it was only like 12:15-12:30 when I got home... |
| 14:26.57 | utahcon | Did I miss anything exciting? Maybe mindjuju dancing on the table? |
| 14:28.38 | Utah_Dave | herlo: was picking up on the server |
| 14:28.48 | Utah_Dave | gave his email address and everything! |
| 14:37.48 | utahcon | Utah_Dave: saw that |
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| 14:55.10 | mindjuju | what did i do? |
| 14:55.38 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah PHP Users Group | UPHPU.org |
| 14:56.10 | mindjuju | special thanks to eggyknap for the present last night |
| 14:56.12 | mindjuju | it was awesome |
| 14:56.21 | PoeticIntensity | wished I could have been there. |
| 14:56.33 | PoeticIntensity | but alas... |
| 14:57.55 | mindjuju | no worries |
| 14:58.32 | utahcon | eggyknap: Thanks I learned a lot last night. Was really good info. |
| 14:58.44 | eggyknap | yw :) |
| 14:58.45 | mindjuju | especially on that recursive stuff |
| 14:59.18 | eggyknap | Reading IRC logs I get the impression I might not have adequately emphasized that the recursive stuff and window func stuff are part of the SQL standard |
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| 14:59.37 | eggyknap | i.e. not just a bleeding-edge PostgreSQL-sim. |
| 14:59.41 | eggyknap | *-ism |
| 14:59.53 | eggyknap | But oh well. How was the camera stuff I missed? |
| 15:00.16 | mindjuju | got to load it up here shortly |
| 15:01.00 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
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| 15:01.31 | mindjuju | i want to get everything optimized so i can just wheel in the cart, plug in a few things and boom, setup in like 10 minutes instead of an hour |
| 15:01.38 | mindjuju | oh fungus |
| 15:02.43 | mindjuju | fungus, are we missing an adaptive ocular enhancement device? |
| 15:07.16 | fungus | lol, yup. |
| 15:07.34 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:07.45 | mindjuju | i got them here, so they are safe |
| 15:07.55 | fungus | Wearing my disaster recovery set right now. |
| 15:08.20 | mindjuju | k, i'm going to put them some where safe |
| 15:08.39 | fungus | cool, thx. |
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| 15:12.22 | itimber | sup guys |
| 15:16.29 | eggyknap | w00t :) |
| 15:20.54 | mindjuju | boy suspended for intentionally passing gas - http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18965374/detail.html |
| 15:23.34 | mindjuju | yeah, no doubt |
| 15:23.55 | mindjuju | it's crazy what kids get kicked out of school for |
| 15:24.06 | mindjuju | on the othewr hand, things are much different now |
| 15:24.39 | jsmith | Aye... too true :-( |
| 15:25.05 | jsmith | We had kids get a slap on the wrist for bringing guns to school, and now kids get thrown out for bringing a pocket-knife |
| 15:26.41 | mindjuju | wasn't too long ago there were rifle clubs in high schools |
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| 15:38.05 | orsonj | +1 for home school where there will be at least one shooting class |
| 15:38.54 | orsonj | and if I can find a book on using a whip for a rope swing... |
| 15:39.48 | fungus | -1 for home school when kids don't understand how to interact with others |
| 15:48.50 | mgeary | herlo is hitting on servers? |
| 15:50.03 | Dezertol | o baby.. that dell poweredge 2950 is soo hot |
| 15:50.05 | Dezertol | lol |
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| 15:57.29 | PoeticIntensity | fungus, I know your comment was back-handed, but I know of two families who were home-schooled who interact just fine with society. I know there are examples of social-weirdos, too, but to say that home-schooled people tend toward social-ineptitude is just not right. |
| 15:57.51 | PoeticIntensity | totally depends on the teacher / home. |
| 15:58.33 | PoeticIntensity | to keep kids from being home-schooled based on them "not fitting in society just right" is... well... lame. |
| 15:58.35 | PoeticIntensity | ok.. |
| 15:58.38 | PoeticIntensity | I took that too far. |
| 15:58.38 | Dezertol | lol most of the social weirdo's I know when to public school ;-S |
| 15:58.47 | PoeticIntensity | sorry.... hit a nerve. |
| 15:58.50 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 15:59.04 | herlo | mgeary: no, I have a girlfriend!! |
| 15:59.05 | PoeticIntensity | I'm probably more socially "weird" because I went to a public school. |
| 15:59.21 | Dezertol | my point exactly |
| 15:59.27 | Dezertol | school = bad |
| 15:59.28 | Dezertol | lol |
| 15:59.33 | PoeticIntensity | nah.... not so much, either. |
| 15:59.41 | PoeticIntensity | those generalizations bug me. |
| 15:59.46 | eggyknap | The other day I had a friend ask me, "So why aren't you weird, like most geeks?" |
| 15:59.59 | Dezertol | lol |
| 16:00.02 | eggyknap | It was the nicest thing I remember anyone every saying to me. :) |
| 16:00.04 | PoeticIntensity | it's so highly dependent upon the individual's situation, almost impossible to generalize. |
| 16:00.14 | PoeticIntensity | eggyknap, that's awesome. |
| 16:00.43 | thebigdog | i think everyone is weird |
| 16:00.47 | Dezertol | did you say.. just wait till after 3:00 AM on a sunday night when the office opens in one hour and the exchange server is still down from the "auto update" that ran last friday |
| 16:00.50 | thebigdog | except itimber and mgeary |
| 16:01.04 | thebigdog | they are to an extreme i have yet to understand |
| 16:01.09 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 16:01.17 | thebigdog | ~flip itimber |
| 16:01.18 | jbot | ACTION gives itimber the .|.. ..|. |
| 16:01.18 | mgeary | totally |
| 16:01.30 | fungus | Yes, my generalization was bad. Many home-schooled parents are great. But there is a huge portion that are inept. |
| 16:01.38 | itimber | ~flip back to thebigdog |
| 16:01.38 | jbot | ACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 16:01.47 | thebigdog | about time you get back to work itimber |
| 16:01.56 | thebigdog | cause you will be going home @ lunch |
| 16:02.04 | itimber | better believe it |
| 16:02.19 | itimber | actually, today I'll be leaving at 11:30 |
| 16:02.23 | itimber | not to return |
| 16:02.25 | itimber | LOL |
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| 16:02.48 | PoeticIntensity | sheesh. |
| 16:03.01 | itimber | got a 12, 1:30, 2:30, and I think there's a 3:30, but it's not confirmed |
| 16:03.04 | itimber | yet |
| 16:03.05 | itimber | LOL |
| 16:03.21 | itimber | but the 1:30 is to prep for the 2:30 |
| 16:03.36 | itimber | oops, that's 2:15 |
| 16:03.50 | itimber | :) |
| 16:06.18 | mgeary | itimber: all with different clients?? |
| 16:07.31 | mindjuju | fyi, dj wicked wes on di.fm/breaks is in rare form |
| 16:07.34 | mindjuju | v good |
| 16:08.04 | thebigdog | haha |
| 16:08.13 | Dezertol | it assumes that you call every couple hours |
| 16:08.22 | mgeary | seriously |
| 16:08.39 | itimber | actually, the 12:30 is with our baby doctor |
| 16:08.40 | thebigdog | i want to put something like - if you are really listening press #5 |
| 16:08.47 | itimber | but the 12 is w/ a client |
| 16:08.47 | utahcon | as if I am not going to mash 0 until a human comes on the line anyways |
| 16:08.48 | mgeary | totally |
| 16:08.49 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 16:08.49 | thebigdog | and then give prizes |
| 16:09.10 | wps | exactly, utahcon |
| 16:09.11 | PoeticIntensity | "We're sorry, but all agents are currently helping other customers"..... *argh!* |
| 16:09.13 | Dezertol | lol do you remember that one that went around like in 2002 that was like if you want to hear a duck qucack press 9 |
| 16:09.17 | PoeticIntensity | how can a PHONE be sorry!? |
| 16:09.31 | wps | one of my favorites is the IRS |
| 16:09.35 | PoeticIntensity | not a single person in the company either knows about, or cares about my call at that moment. |
| 16:09.49 | PoeticIntensity | how in the world can they all be "sorry"? |
| 16:10.04 | wps | "please stay on the lineâ¦Â do not hang upâ¦Â hanging up with increase your weight" |
| 16:10.16 | itimber | LOL |
| 16:10.18 | mindjuju | d00d, you know what i'm saying |
| 16:10.18 | PoeticIntensity | LOL - weight. |
| 16:10.18 | Dezertol | lol |
| 16:10.20 | wps | disconnecting will make me fat? |
| 16:10.38 | orsonj | new weight loss plan: stay on hold |
| 16:10.38 | mindjuju | got to make sure it takes off without a hitch, but who wants to listen to what they are really saying? |
| 16:11.16 | Dezertol | well if you sat on hold indefenatly.. you'd sure lose some weight |
| 16:11.23 | PoeticIntensity | late breakfast. |
| 16:11.24 | utahcon | mgeary: starting eating chips, no fail I put a chip in my mouth and someone picks up the line |
| 16:11.36 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:11.55 | mgeary | WebEx Support* |
| 16:11.56 | wps | is anyone else's state income tax return taking longer than usually to arrive? |
| 16:12.06 | wps | I usually get mine back a few days after the federal |
| 16:12.10 | wps | it's been several weeks now though |
| 16:12.22 | mgeary | and it's taking forever |
| 16:12.27 | PoeticIntensity | wps, yes. same here. |
| 16:12.28 | Dezertol | auto deposit worked just fine for me |
| 16:12.28 | itimber | mgeary: :( |
| 16:12.31 | mindjuju | wps, i hope we're not doing the california plan on state tax return |
| 16:12.38 | mindjuju | that'd be scary |
| 16:12.40 | Dezertol | got both back already |
| 16:12.50 | wps | direct deposit here as wellâ¦Â but hasn't showed up yet |
| 16:12.55 | itimber | I've heard that UT is fiscally healthy |
| 16:13.08 | wps | utah is doing well |
| 16:13.13 | PoeticIntensity | yeah |
| 16:13.14 | Dezertol | they where saying it's one of the only states that is |
| 16:13.18 | itimber | also heard that KS had to hold refunds |
| 16:13.25 | wps | I was on the phone with the governor last night talking about that actaully |
| 16:13.32 | Dezertol | and that it might bounce out of this "ression" before anyone else |
| 16:13.47 | mindjuju | oh wow, oen of the broadcasters had a brain fart, then said on live radio "i had a blond moment" ... err, hope i didn't offend any blonds |
| 16:14.03 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:14.13 | PoeticIntensity | people are too sensitive now-a-days. |
| 16:14.17 | wps | amen |
| 16:14.20 | wps | amen |
| 16:14.20 | wps | amen |
| 16:14.33 | mgeary | i can't believe you just said that, PoeticIntensity |
| 16:14.41 | PoeticIntensity | I mean, it's not nice to be cruel, but.... c'mon... |
| 16:14.52 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, you are ..... a...... guy. |
| 16:14.54 | PoeticIntensity | with HAIR! |
| 16:14.57 | wps | obama accidently compared his bowling skills to the special olympics last night on Leno and now he has to spend the day today doing damage control |
| 16:14.57 | mgeary | how dare you accuse me of being oversensitive? You big jerk |
| 16:14.59 | wps | it's stupid |
| 16:15.25 | wps | sure, he probably shouldn't have said itâ¦Â but you're only offended if you choose to be |
| 16:15.26 | PoeticIntensity | I watched that last night, and I thought the joke was very well-intentioned. |
| 16:15.31 | Dezertol | ya lol I heard about that |
| 16:15.35 | PoeticIntensity | he was referencing himself as being stupid. |
| 16:15.41 | PoeticIntensity | in a joking way... |
| 16:16.09 | unum | I missed that he compared himself to the special olympics |
| 16:16.10 | PoeticIntensity | it was refreshing to see him relaxed.... and being conservative, I really, really enjoyed the show. |
| 16:16.12 | Dezertol | doesn't matter he "represents the USA" |
| 16:16.16 | wps | but because our stupid culture is so PC now, he had to call up the president of the special olympics and offer a formal apology |
| 16:16.18 | PoeticIntensity | hallelujiah. |
| 16:16.19 | Dezertol | he's held to a much different standard |
| 16:16.26 | PoeticIntensity | AAAAAMEN wps |
| 16:16.38 | PoeticIntensity | he's held to a STUPID standard. |
| 16:16.44 | PoeticIntensity | like I said... |
| 16:16.47 | PoeticIntensity | people are too sensitive. |
| 16:16.54 | PoeticIntensity | can't say anything anymore. |
| 16:16.56 | unum | I really enjoyed watching it as well. |
| 16:17.05 | PoeticIntensity | totally! It was good entertainment! |
| 16:17.08 | PoeticIntensity | I even blogged about it. |
| 16:17.22 | PoeticIntensity | not that it means anything, but I was impressed. |
| 16:17.25 | wps | so, dataw0lf, and anyone else that is interestedâ¦Â |
| 16:17.31 | unum | supposedly Leno wants to have more "news makers" on his show when he switches times |
| 16:17.59 | unum | I think leno is funnier than stuart but I like stuarts guests better |
| 16:18.17 | unum | I don't really care whan keauno reeves does for fun |
| 16:18.18 | wps | I finally figured out our politicians feel so strongly that these companies are too big to fail |
| 16:18.25 | wps | http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics-Examiner~y2009m3d17-Obama-Received-a-101332-Bonus-from-AIG |
| 16:18.39 | wps | Chris Dobb and Barack Obama received bonus money from AIG |
| 16:18.57 | unum | all big companies pay off both sides |
| 16:19.08 | unum | have you been reading lessig? |
| 16:19.16 | unum | thats his new theme |
| 16:19.18 | wps | I'm not familiar with lessig |
| 16:19.31 | mgeary | ~nerdschool wps |
| 16:19.32 | jbot | ACTION chains wps to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 16:20.46 | _psychic_ | changecongress.org |
| 16:22.08 | unum | wps: don't you read slashdot |
| 16:22.21 | wps | not much anymore |
| 16:22.23 | unum | darn I can't find aig on open secrets |
| 16:22.27 | wps | there's not much of worth on their anymore |
| 16:22.39 | unum | lessig's been mentioned on there from time to time all along |
| 16:22.57 | unum | he was a key copyright reformer founded creative commons |
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| 16:23.09 | dataw0lf | wps: um, everyone accepted money from AIG last year. This is a total from all of the employees, not AIG as a corporation. |
| 16:23.10 | unum | he spoke at usu a few years back |
| 16:23.23 | dataw0lf | Romney accepted something like 30k, McCain, 60k |
| 16:23.39 | unum | employees are a completely different issue |
| 16:24.01 | dataw0lf | no, it's not. That's how they get these figures. They total the amount of money EMPLOYEES at AIG gave the politicians. |
| 16:24.36 | dataw0lf | so *collective gasp* quite surprising. Rich, corrupt people giving money to politicians. They're still bound to the 2.3k rule. |
| 16:24.37 | mgeary | you can only donate ~$2k to a politician |
| 16:24.48 | unum | I give money to politicians with outh the expectation of them protecting my current employer |
| 16:24.54 | mgeary | you can donate all you want to entities like the RNC/DNC, but not to politicians |
| 16:25.13 | dataw0lf | I gave 1.2k to Obama last year. |
| 16:25.28 | dataw0lf | My family as a total probably gave around 8k |
| 16:25.35 | dataw0lf | OH NOES! STONE US! |
| 16:26.14 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_hlMK7tCks |
| 16:26.18 | mgeary | dataw0lf: ^^ |
| 16:29.09 | utahcon | agreed |
| 16:29.12 | dataw0lf | The funny thing is that the REPUBLICANS blocked the taxation of those bonuses, not Democrats. They want to keep it around as a political issue. |
| 16:30.17 | dataw0lf | then they took a vote and only half of the Republicans still voted to tax them |
| 16:30.33 | dataw0lf | 87 opposed and 6 Democrats opposed too. |
| 16:30.57 | wps | why'd they give the money to AIG in the first place??????????? |
| 16:31.19 | wps | the politicians (including Obama) are crying out "we can't believe what they did!" |
| 16:31.25 | wps | what in the crap did they think they'd do with the money? |
| 16:31.33 | tierra | not give out bonuses |
| 16:31.43 | wps | the politicians are idiots |
| 16:31.47 | dataw0lf | Obama had nothing to do with stripping the limits of those bonuses out. |
| 16:32.10 | wps | stripping or no strippingâ¦Â why'd they give a mismanaged and failing institution money in the first place? |
| 16:32.12 | _psychic_ | The problem is in the giving of the initial money, not the babysitting of the recipient. |
| 16:32.26 | dataw0lf | because capitalism is a flimsy thing. |
| 16:32.32 | dataw0lf | It always has been. |
| 16:32.34 | _psychic_ | so is soclialism apparently |
| 16:32.45 | dataw0lf | this isn't socialism |
| 16:32.49 | dataw0lf | *siiiiigh* |
| 16:33.27 | dataw0lf | Capitalism will tank if the government doesn't use Keynesian economics to supply jobs to stimulate the _demand_ side. |
| 16:33.29 | _psychic_ | feels like its farther on that side on the continuum |
| 16:33.38 | dataw0lf | just like before the great depression |
| 16:33.51 | dataw0lf | when the republicans sent us flailing into the void by enacting a spending freeze in 1929 |
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| 16:34.45 | dataw0lf | "Hoovertowns" were called that for a reason. |
| 16:34.58 | dataw0lf | haha. Chicken, meet Little. |
| 16:35.04 | beandog | :) |
| 16:35.14 | _psychic_ | I just don't see the government saving us from this. |
| 16:35.15 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:35.16 | mgeary | http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_aig_give_100000_to_obama.html |
| 16:36.15 | dataw0lf | http://www.joachimbean.com/Computer_Inventory/News/Entries/2009/3/19_Tethering_on_iPhone_OS_3.0_over_AT&T.html |
| 16:36.52 | dataw0lf | Hoovervilles* |
| 16:37.59 | wps | you have to be running 3.0 though, right dataw0lf? |
| 16:38.13 | dataw0lf | wps: yea, I think so. |
| 16:38.34 | wps | the fact that the money was compaign donations and not a "bonus" doesn't change my opinion at all, mgeary |
| 16:39.10 | wps | these politicians got large amounts of money from the companyâ¦Â this jades their motives in bailing it out |
| 16:39.46 | dataw0lf | wps: it wasn't even in the top FIFTY organizations that gave to Obama. They're from individuals. NOT from the company. |
| 16:39.51 | _psychic_ | wps: you need to check http://change-congress.org/ |
| 16:40.02 | beandog | the entire gov't needs a reboot |
| 16:40.16 | _psychic_ | that always works :) |
| 16:40.39 | beandog | that's the only way things are gonna change, anyway |
| 16:40.44 | beandog | scrap the old system, start over. |
| 16:40.53 | dataw0lf | good luck with that. I'll be on the other side. |
| 16:41.04 | _psychic_ | I dunno, it just feels like a year ago these greedy bad guys were getting their just desserts - failing businesses. Now will all the "help" they're billions of dollars richer. |
| 16:41.37 | wps | this his how I feel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA |
| 16:42.31 | unum | the problem is while it's true the execs were getting paid very well. and screwed things up. we are all a little bit to blame as stock holders in these companies |
| 16:42.36 | wps | I couldn't agree with Thomas Pane more |
| 16:42.53 | dataw0lf | Paine* |
| 16:43.05 | wps | thanks (I've only heard his name spoken) |
| 16:43.06 | dataw0lf | nd I doubt you would agree with Paine much. |
| 16:43.09 | dataw0lf | and* |
| 16:43.11 | unum | wps: when he said God would never give more occular proof to one man over an other? |
| 16:43.41 | unum | all this stuff makes me glad I vote for nader in the past and kind of makes me wish I had voted for him again |
| 16:43.46 | dataw0lf | or when he said "Priest and conjurers are of the same trade." |
| 16:44.08 | dataw0lf | or "..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any... " |
| 16:44.18 | beandog | just as every political party has good elements, you can't agree with them 100% |
| 16:44.24 | dataw0lf | well, one of Paine's HUGE beliefs was against religion |
| 16:44.25 | wps | are these quotes from the video I sent? |
| 16:44.27 | unum | he's been talking for years about how people are doing crazy evil things with companies that we all own. and have no responsibility to anyone |
| 16:44.29 | dataw0lf | He wrote the Age of Reason, I mean. |
| 16:44.46 | dataw0lf | he was the de facto leader of the deists most of our founding fathers were. |
| 16:44.46 | unum | Dezertol: alaska is the one that talks most about that |
| 16:44.48 | wps | I meant that I agreed with what he said in the videoâ¦Â not him entirely |
| 16:45.11 | wps | I know nothing about him beyond the video |
| 16:45.11 | dataw0lf | haha, Texas and Alaska can both secede. |
| 16:45.18 | dataw0lf | please join them if you want. |
| 16:45.22 | unum | in fact their governor's spouse belongs to the alaska succesion party |
| 16:45.27 | wps | I am trying my hardest to be informed and validate sources |
| 16:45.36 | wps | too COLD??? Utah is too hot! |
| 16:45.39 | unum | ok that's not technically true. changed that when she first ran |
| 16:45.45 | beandog | too *dry* |
| 16:46.03 | beandog | Im going back to the south |
| 16:46.28 | unum | wps: I don't think he said anything in a video ;) |
| 16:47.51 | unum | I really having other people tell me what the founding fathers said, they tend to take it out of context |
| 16:48.04 | unum | I have read 'common sense' yet. I'm a bad american |
| 16:48.04 | thebigdog | i love alaska |
| 16:48.07 | unum | I have read age of reason |
| 16:48.22 | dataw0lf | Thomas Paine is probably one of my favorite authors. |
| 16:49.51 | utahcon | O'reilly is my favorite author (publisher) :) |
| 16:49.51 | unum | it's probably twain |
| 16:49.51 | dataw0lf | unum: yea, Twain is probably my favorite. |
| 16:49.51 | unum | the gilded age, letters from the earth |
| 16:49.51 | unum | great books |
| 16:50.11 | utahcon | is it possible to get sql to append the row # in a result set? |
| 16:50.15 | unum | "their idea of heaven is sitting around singing songs and praising God, which is what they do at church, yet they don't enjoy that" |
| 16:50.35 | unum | row #? what version of sql are you using? |
| 16:50.43 | utahcon | I am using mysql 5 |
| 16:51.46 | utahcon | Basically I take a large dataset and chunk the rows to be result1, result2 in an array. I was wondering if I could just have the sql name the result1, result2 etc |
| 16:52.19 | utahcon | well actually... it would have to append the row # to each field. |
| 16:52.28 | unum | ah |
| 16:52.32 | unum | that makes more sense |
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| 16:53.00 | utahcon | id1, name1, last1 |
| 16:53.01 | utahcon | id2, name2, last2 |
| 16:53.02 | utahcon | like that |
| 16:53.11 | unum | though having them in an array kind of does that for you |
| 16:53.21 | utahcon | yes and no. |
| 16:53.21 | unum | and I rather just have them in a two dimensional array |
| 16:53.46 | unum | but I'm not sure if the default driver gives it to you that way |
| 16:53.48 | utahcon | They come back without the # on the end, so I can loop through the rows and append the #, but I was wondering if that is something the DB can do for me. |
| 16:54.14 | unum | with mdb2 I can reference them as $results[2]['id'] |
| 16:54.22 | unum | which is easier to me than what you are doing |
| 16:55.03 | utahcon | yeah |
| 16:55.22 | unum | so sorry I don't know how to do what you are asking |
| 16:55.32 | Dezertol | not sure if it's what you wnat byou could do .. select id as id1, name as name1 etc... |
| 16:56.32 | utahcon | well I am getting something like this http://pastebin.com/d3eeffa88 |
| 16:57.16 | orsonj | heh, educations |
| 16:57.32 | orsonj | need to add an exception to the inflector |
| 16:57.33 | utahcon | what I want would be something like this http://pastebin.com/d221d1865 |
| 16:58.05 | utahcon | oops |
| 16:58.09 | utahcon | my 2s should be 1s |
| 16:58.12 | utahcon | but you get the point |
| 16:58.17 | beandog | okie day |
| 16:58.21 | beandog | I gotta pick out a new verizon phone |
| 16:58.22 | utahcon | like I said this isn't a major deal. |
| 16:58.22 | beandog | any ideas? |
| 16:58.29 | Dezertol | do a self join |
| 16:58.30 | utahcon | just wondering after last nights meeting :d |
| 16:58.32 | Dezertol | on the result set |
| 16:58.39 | _psychic_ | orsonj: what is it getting inflected as? |
| 16:59.07 | orsonj | the plural of education is education not educations |
| 16:59.50 | utahcon | orsonj: we had a fight at work about it yesterday. Technically both are right |
| 17:00.02 | thebigdog | how do you collide 2 navy vessels...i just dont see that happening if you are paying attention |
| 17:00.44 | _psychic_ | they were subs, though? |
| 17:01.05 | orsonj | I guess they are both in the dictionary. |
| 17:01.29 | utahcon | orsonj: on that same note funner is in the dictionary. |
| 17:03.05 | orsonj | that's the beauty of english, it is whatever you want |
| 17:05.10 | Dezertol | not that anyone would be crazy enough to use M$ for DNS but-> http://msmvps.com/blogs/alunj/archive/2008/07/19/1641409.aspx |
| 17:06.13 | orsonj | this is my fourth |
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| 17:15.01 | itimber | I'm out... have a good weekend all!!! |
| 17:17.10 | utahcon | Pffft, English, who needs that? I'm never going to England. |
| 17:17.23 | herlo | except when you do |
| 17:17.47 | herlo | did Timinator even bother to go to work today :) |
| 17:21.27 | utahcon | doh! |
| 17:21.52 | utahcon | Guess I know what I am doing this weekend. WordPress mods :D |
| 17:57.11 | herlo | here's an interesting apache question |
| 17:57.16 | _carmony | I'm going to Bajio's today |
| 17:57.40 | mindjuju | never been there carmony |
| 17:57.44 | herlo | I'm loading a module for a vhost I have, but I want to *not* have that module affect one directory... |
| 17:57.49 | herlo | carmony: bajio sucks |
| 17:57.57 | mindjuju | bajio's < cafe rio ? |
| 17:58.09 | herlo | fo sho |
| 17:58.33 | _carmony | lol |
| 17:58.41 | _carmony | I like their Shrimp Tacos |
| 17:59.06 | herlo | but costa vida < bajio < cafe rio < la frontera |
| 17:59.08 | utahcon | think... bubba gump |
| 17:59.19 | utahcon | what?! |
| 17:59.20 | fungus | herlo: most modules add a config option to disable it's functionality which can be place in a vhost |
| 17:59.24 | utahcon | la frontera == poo |
| 17:59.31 | fungus | Eg. SSLEngine off |
| 17:59.37 | herlo | utahcon: you don't know what you are talking about |
| 17:59.46 | utahcon | oh good sir. |
| 17:59.47 | herlo | fungus: good call, I'll look for one of those, but it's ruby so who knows |
| 17:59.53 | mindjuju | utahcon - the chinese restaurant i'm thinking of has 3 or 4 shrimp offerings if i recall |
| 18:00.02 | herlo | utahcon: trust me, the ribs are awesome at la frontera |
| 18:00.13 | utahcon | Unless you throw in a la frontera on (any street other than 3900 south) it is POO! |
| 18:00.23 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:00.49 | utahcon | other than that I agree 100% :D |
| 18:02.32 | mindjuju | ~apb eggyknap |
| 18:02.32 | jbot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to stake out eggyknap |
| 18:02.57 | mindjuju | hey, when you get a moment can you send over those slides |
| 18:03.31 | mindjuju | email is in PM |
| 18:03.37 | eggyknap | Sure. |
| 18:03.42 | mindjuju | awesome, thx |
| 18:06.12 | herlo | utahcon: never eaten at the one on 3099 S |
| 18:06.29 | herlo | utahcon: the one I love to visit is at 1200W 400S |
| 18:06.58 | herlo | there's another one at 1700 S and 300 W which has a great tacky decor and a cantina |
| 18:09.03 | utahcon | 1200 W and 400 S is good |
| 18:27.47 | mindjuju | i must be going blind, can't seem to find anywhere to register a new account on network solutions |
| 18:28.04 | mindjuju | talk about a critical usability issue |
| 18:33.03 | fungus | network solutions? hasn't everyone moved off of them already? |
| 18:33.45 | mindjuju | a pinch pricey, but i likes 'em |
| 18:33.46 | unum | not us |
| 18:33.49 | herlo | mindjuju: tosdomains.net is what I use, it's great |
| 18:33.56 | herlo | mindjuju: no way! don't do it! |
| 18:33.57 | unum | for some reason we like $60/year |
| 18:34.00 | herlo | it's a trap! |
| 18:34.10 | unum | we should switch to xmission they're $10 and our isp |
| 18:34.35 | herlo | xm is a dns registrar? |
| 18:34.54 | unum | iirc |
| 18:35.01 | herlo | wow, didn't know that |
| 18:35.07 | herlo | I'd probably go with them then... |
| 18:35.23 | unum | I plan to switch all mine over once I get utopia at home |
| 18:52.20 | orsonj | I got an ad in the mail for Qwest fiber. I can't even get dsl from them. |
| 18:52.22 | utahcon | does mysql not support || ? |
| 18:53.14 | dataw0lf | it does. |
| 18:54.21 | utahcon | city || ', ' || state || ' ' || zip as citystzip failed, but |
| 18:54.21 | utahcon | CONCAT(city, ', ', state, ' ', zip) as citystzip worked |
| 18:55.06 | dataw0lf | oh for concating? || is an XOR |
| 18:55.25 | utahcon | hmm |
| 18:55.25 | utahcon | ok |
| 19:03.49 | fungus | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/logical-operators.html#operator_or |
| 19:05.01 | utahcon | so in mysql || is not for concat... thought he said that last night |
| 19:05.03 | utahcon | oh well |
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| 19:05.25 | fungus | || is concat for postgres and Oracle, but not MySQL |
| 19:05.42 | utahcon | stupid MySQL |
| 19:05.49 | utahcon | ~lart MySQL |
| 19:05.49 | jbot | pries MySQL's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to MySQL |
| 19:06.54 | fungus | and MSSQL uses the + operator. |
| 19:06.58 | fungus | ~lart mssql |
| 19:06.58 | jbot | pours gasoline all over mssql, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 19:07.08 | mindjuju | i've been thinking about using postgres after yesterday's presentation |
| 19:07.14 | mindjuju | just not sure i'm ready for sequences |
| 19:07.41 | mindjuju | i use but some of those advanced features were pretty cool |
| 19:08.15 | fungus | postgres has a SERIAL datatype which automates the handling of your sequences |
| 19:08.28 | fungus | makes it just like MySQL's auto_increment |
| 19:08.59 | mindjuju | hey cool! |
| 19:11.30 | fungus | Before PG added that you had to "SELECT nextval('seq_name')" and use that value in your insert. |
| 19:26.11 | utahcon | know of any really quick array to xml functions? |
| 19:26.34 | unum | how was the meeting last night |
| 19:26.39 | utahcon | goo |
| 19:26.40 | utahcon | d |
| 19:27.04 | unum | I need to get married so I quite feeling compelled to be at church activities on thursday nights |
| 19:28.01 | utahcon | unum: or just stop trying to get married |
| 19:28.16 | utahcon | let me speak for most married men/women... stay single. |
| 19:28.17 | unum | utahcon: you have a good argument there |
| 19:28.27 | unum | but I'd like to have sex |
| 19:28.48 | utahcon | I don't want to open a can of worms, but you don't have to be married to have sex... |
| 19:28.50 | unum | do you know any girls that want to have non commital sex with a scrawny nerd? |
| 19:28.58 | utahcon | actually... yes |
| 19:29.28 | utahcon | for that matter you may have more luck getting laid in a bar than in a church... just a thought. |
| 19:29.44 | unum | true, I had this discussion with a coworker yesterday |
| 19:29.55 | unum | I have no idea how I would even approach things in a bar |
| 19:32.19 | dataw0lf | I could give you one of my free lessons. |
| 19:33.37 | mindjuju | unum - what happened to that chix0r you were sitting in a hot tub with? |
| 19:34.05 | unum | mindjuju: she told me she liked hanging out with me but the relationship wasn't going to go any further |
| 19:34.24 | dataw0lf | hahaha |
| 19:34.28 | dataw0lf | *facepalms* |
| 19:34.33 | mindjuju | dag |
| 19:34.37 | mindjuju | sorry to hear that |
| 19:36.09 | herlo | unum: girls are people too |
| 19:36.18 | herlo | surprisingly, they like sex too |
| 19:36.29 | dataw0lf | they like confidence more. |
| 19:36.38 | dataw0lf | be confident and you'll get laid. |
| 19:37.17 | herlo | dataw0lf: you mean show confidence, and you get some |
| 19:37.26 | unum | herlo: I've met a few that's true of and a few it's not so true of |
| 19:37.39 | unum | but the main factor here is that there's better options :) |
| 19:37.51 | herlo | unum: the ones that say no aren't worth your time anyway... |
| 19:37.53 | dataw0lf | if you're confident, it'll show. If you explicitly try to _show_ confidence, you just look like a douchebag. |
| 19:37.57 | unum | I gues for some girls there's not.... |
| 19:38.29 | herlo | dataw0lf: is that how it works? /me always wondered about the difference :) |
| 19:38.42 | unum | the main thing is I've built up long term relationship appeal and not so much the other |
| 19:38.59 | dataw0lf | I just have to make eye contact with them, nowadays. |
| 19:39.50 | mindjuju | (1:37:53 PM) herlo: unum: the ones that say no aren't worth your time anyway... <-- here i always looked at it the other way |
| 19:40.03 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: true that |
| 19:40.03 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:40.06 | herlo | mindjuju: really? |
| 19:40.26 | herlo | If they're not interested, I don't want to waste my time, there are many others out there who will enjoy my wit and charm |
| 19:40.56 | mindjuju | ah, was thinking you were talking s3x, not interest |
| 19:41.05 | unum | I have a stable decent paying job, I own my own place, I have a four door sedan, I own cats, I remember birthdays and anniversaries, I'm an involved and committed community member. |
| 19:41.10 | mindjuju | was goign to say, in hs, wrote a BIG report on AIDS and VDs |
| 19:41.12 | herlo | mindjuju: true, there's that diff |
| 19:41.24 | dataw0lf | unum: yea, see, you tell a girl that at a bar they're going to laugh. |
| 19:41.27 | mindjuju | so, quite familiar still with what is out there |
| 19:41.35 | dataw0lf | it's not a job interview. |
| 19:42.30 | unum | so telling them I can bench 400lbs isn't the right approach either? |
| 19:42.36 | unum | of course that would also cause them to laugh |
| 19:42.41 | dataw0lf | talking about yourself isn't the right approach |
| 19:42.46 | unum | ya I know |
| 19:43.02 | Dezertol | just got back from lunch and noticed the "you don't have to be married to have sex" comment.. my idiot friend (who is in jail) always used to say "just because there is a goalie doesn't mean you can't score" |
| 19:43.18 | unum | I don't think I could really bring myself to pick up on someone just for sex |
| 19:43.36 | unum | it's too ingrained in my psychic that that's wrong |
| 19:44.11 | mindjuju | while that may be true, dataw0lf strategies on picking up the ladies, even if the goal is different, aren't bad |
| 19:44.19 | mindjuju | and location too |
| 19:44.27 | mindjuju | so where dataw0lf says bar, think church dance |
| 19:44.43 | mindjuju | it's all relative, but the principles are the same |
| 19:45.43 | unum | you talk about them and what they do. you can talk about movies and music etc |
| 19:45.47 | unum | I know it all |
| 19:46.12 | unum | I just won't find an other one that makes me egg rolls and plays original nitentdo |
| 19:46.21 | unum | nintendo |
| 19:46.40 | mindjuju | and i hate to say it, but if you look like that's what you're hunting for, then maybe girls will shy away; its when you're having fun in life that things work out |
| 19:46.58 | dataw0lf | unum: May I recommend a site for you? |
| 19:47.01 | dataw0lf | okcupid.com |
| 19:47.02 | mindjuju | unum, can i suggest throwing a Nintendo party and see which girls bite? |
| 19:47.12 | mindjuju | but invite groups of people |
| 19:47.16 | unum | but I keep going back to the same place and same time which is thursday |
| 19:47.22 | unum | mindjuju: I do stuff like that all the time |
| 19:47.30 | unum | I guess I shouldn't say all the time |
| 19:47.30 | Dezertol | I consider my self lucky.. my wife is more of a gamer then I am |
| 19:47.31 | mindjuju | ah, well you're on the right track then |
| 19:47.34 | unum | I have done it at different times |
| 19:47.41 | dataw0lf | seriously, okcupid.com |
| 19:47.54 | Dezertol | we both have high level toond in eq2 and she's always plaing something |
| 19:48.27 | unum | really I've backed off for a while |
| 19:48.35 | unum | I still go thursday nights for different reasons |
| 19:51.07 | mindjuju | unum, you going to college? |
| 19:51.30 | unum | mindjuju: nope graduated |
| 19:51.39 | unum | work full time as a software engineer |
| 19:54.26 | mindjuju | unum, UC or the SLC? |
| 19:54.47 | unum | SLC |
| 19:54.59 | unum | I'm 30 btw |
| 20:02.30 | mindjuju | sorry, having an email server issue so jumpig between that and this |
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| 20:05.35 | utahcon | unum: " pick up on someone just for sex", good that is the wrong reason to meet women anyways :D |
| 20:05.44 | utahcon | sorry was working :) |
| 20:06.02 | utahcon | unum: do you drink? |
| 20:06.32 | unum | utahcon: no |
| 20:06.44 | utahcon | then maybe bars aren't right for you either. |
| 20:07.43 | unum | well when liberally drinking, or ydu is there it's not so bad |
| 20:07.56 | unum | :) |
| 20:10.00 | utahcon | huh |
| 20:10.03 | utahcon | ? |
| 20:11.04 | unum | those are democratic party groups that meet at the bar sometimes |
| 20:11.14 | unum | liberally drinking meets at one every week |
| 20:11.24 | unum | ydu is meeting at one tonight |
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| 20:14.28 | eggyknap | mindjuju: did you receive the slides? Various people have complained about emails from me of late. |
| 20:15.32 | fungus | <mindjuju> sorry, having an email server issue... |
| 20:15.42 | fungus | Maybe it's him with the problems. :) |
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| 20:26.24 | eggyknap | Trouble is, the other folks that complain have nothing to do with his server. :( |
| 20:26.27 | eggyknap | thx, though :) |
| 20:28.31 | mindjuju | different email server, but i did receive them, thx! |
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| 20:37.34 | supernovia | hey eggyknap, good job with the sql presentation last night! |
| 20:37.47 | eggyknap | supernovia: thx :) |
| 20:38.41 | supernovia | you should have come to applebees, we decided we'd cross join a table against itself next year and have each of us try to get the right scores for tournaments next year.. |
| 20:39.03 | supernovia | & then split the winnings ;-) |
| 20:39.43 | supernovia | going on most likely scores of course ;) |
| 20:40.14 | Dezertol | so... just out of curiosity... does the "uphpu" group ever combine efforts on any projects |
| 20:40.28 | supernovia | which kinds of projects? |
| 20:41.02 | Dezertol | I don't know.. like.. someone in the group thinks up something cool and throws it out there and everyone helps to make it happen |
| 20:41.04 | Dezertol | just for the fun of it |
| 20:41.20 | Dezertol | open source projects and what not |
| 20:41.26 | Dezertol | just wondering.. |
| 20:41.51 | mindjuju | yeah, we've done that a couple times |
| 20:42.02 | mindjuju | there was phlyte - php framework |
| 20:42.12 | supernovia | I don't know if -everyone- in the group does stuff but we've had some fun projects, sure |
| 20:42.22 | Dezertol | that's cool |
| 20:42.37 | mindjuju | several members in #uphpu were also members of S3 |
| 20:42.43 | mindjuju | like supernovia, right? |
| 20:42.47 | Dezertol | I kind get the impression that most of you "know each other" like you work at the same place or something |
| 20:43.10 | mindjuju | and there was something somebody was going to write that would be like an SVN for databases |
| 20:43.18 | mindjuju | openchronicle or something like that |
| 20:43.23 | mindjuju | not sure how far that got |
| 20:43.31 | supernovia | right mindjuju .. |
| 20:43.39 | supernovia | well, we've met at meetings and stuff |
| 20:43.49 | supernovia | do you ever go Dezertol? |
| 20:44.05 | Dezertol | I only found you guys less then a week ago |
| 20:44.09 | supernovia | and then some of us have contacted our current / old coworkers to join the group |
| 20:44.09 | mindjuju | and then several of us are active members of Utah Open Source, with el presidente supreme! herlo |
| 20:44.11 | Dezertol | so .. I've yet to know about any of them |
| 20:44.11 | supernovia | really? |
| 20:44.25 | herlo | lol |
| 20:44.26 | supernovia | herlo is freakin awesome |
| 20:44.33 | herlo | supernovia: thank you |
| 20:44.41 | wps | some of us are the original members as well so we have ben interacting for the past six years |
| 20:44.45 | Dezertol | ya I moved to UTAH a couple years ago from AZ |
| 20:44.47 | wps | s/ben/been/ |
| 20:44.48 | supernovia | You should come to a meeting Dezertol ... |
| 20:44.59 | Dezertol | and just happened upon the uphpu on Linked in |
| 20:45.12 | Dezertol | so.. I joined the chat channel |
| 20:45.13 | supernovia | Well cool. Tell us a little about you :-) |
| 20:45.13 | mindjuju | Dezertol - we all work in different areas except for utahcon and fungus |
| 20:45.16 | supernovia | do you happen to be a girl!!? |
| 20:45.25 | Dezertol | nope |
| 20:45.29 | mindjuju | and dexterthedragon and mrkrow |
| 20:45.31 | supernovia | d'oh |
| 20:45.31 | Dezertol | I have a cute little girl tho |
| 20:45.47 | supernovia | yeah, I've got a cute girl too. and a boy |
| 20:45.56 | Dezertol | nice |
| 20:46.09 | Dezertol | lol what do you mean by "older" |
| 20:46.26 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:46.28 | wps | s/20023/2003/ |
| 20:46.29 | supernovia | let's see, Bear was saying last night that he was in middle school back in the days when I worked at Techserv :-S |
| 20:46.32 | wps | if only I could type |
| 20:46.45 | supernovia | with SunSparc and a few others whoh've been here |
| 20:46.49 | jsmith | wps: If only I could design as well as you type! |
| 20:47.01 | wps | :) |
| 20:47.02 | Dezertol | well I turn 33 this year and have been doing lamp projects since .. 98 |
| 20:47.06 | Dezertol | if that says anything |
| 20:47.07 | supernovia | wps = a good designer |
| 20:47.13 | supernovia | Well good |
| 20:47.29 | wps | thank you |
| 20:47.39 | wps | jsmith, you a gardner? |
| 20:47.40 | supernovia | I'm only 30 but I -feel- old when those young punks get talking.. |
| 20:47.46 | Dezertol | goo designers are "hard" to find |
| 20:47.53 | Dezertol | or there really expensive |
| 20:48.06 | wps | I tried a few new things this year. I think I killed my lettuce |
| 20:48.18 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:48.18 | jsmith | wps: Well, my wife is... I can kill anything. |
| 20:48.26 | jsmith | wps: We have a nice little garden here though... |
| 20:48.27 | supernovia | I have some awesome tulips and daffodills coming up, only they aren't blooming |
| 20:48.31 | eggyknap | One of those gangrene thumb types, eh? |
| 20:48.37 | jsmith | eggyknap: Exactly. |
| 20:48.38 | Dezertol | so is there a schedule on meetings and what not |
| 20:48.45 | eggyknap | Dezertol: http://uphpu.org/events |
| 20:48.45 | supernovia | every 3rd Thursday |
| 20:48.53 | Dezertol | there is only one a week? |
| 20:48.57 | Dezertol | lol j/k |
| 20:50.01 | utahcon | supernovia: I am 28 |
| 20:50.01 | Dezertol | I saw the site.. |
| 20:50.01 | Dezertol | that's how I found the irc channel |
| 20:50.01 | Dezertol | but it seems the events posted.. |
| 20:50.01 | Dezertol | get posted after there over |
| 20:50.01 | Dezertol | lol |
| 20:50.01 | supernovia | really? What wereyou doing in middle school then when I was @ techserv? :-p |
| 20:50.01 | Dezertol | or the day of.. |
| 20:50.01 | supernovia | got on the mailing list |
| 20:50.18 | utahcon | When did you work at techserv? |
| 20:50.31 | supernovia | 1997-1999 |
| 20:50.35 | utahcon | ah |
| 20:50.40 | utahcon | I was in high school then |
| 20:50.47 | utahcon | I thought I heard 93-95 |
| 20:50.50 | utahcon | my bad |
| 20:50.53 | utahcon | don't feel too old now |
| 20:50.56 | supernovia | ah, whew. Goodness. |
| 20:51.18 | supernovia | that was a fun place to work I must say. Great people. |
| 20:51.25 | supernovia | liks SunSparc |
| 20:51.30 | supernovia | like. rather. |
| 20:51.36 | utahcon | I don't know... there was that one chick and victor there... |
| 20:51.52 | utahcon | damnit !Call to undefined function emtpy() |
| 20:51.55 | supernovia | which one chick? |
| 20:52.34 | supernovia | :-p |
| 20:52.47 | utahcon | you know that one chick that was there... um... YOU! |
| 20:53.02 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:53.04 | supernovia | Alright :-) |
| 20:53.38 | supernovia | but not the job |
| 20:53.44 | supernovia | poor thing you |
| 20:53.54 | utahcon | although I do not miss the not-having-money days |
| 20:54.21 | supernovia | oh I misread |
| 20:54.29 | supernovia | somehow I read you miss working 40 hours |
| 20:54.54 | Dezertol | frontpage?.. yeiks |
| 20:54.59 | utahcon | funny thing is... I have worked jobs where I didn't work 40 hours in a week. And I always managed to work more. |
| 20:55.02 | supernovia | my clients still use Dreamweaver :S |
| 20:55.35 | supernovia | Awe now, some of them are just big sweethearts. non techy sweethearts.. |
| 20:55.58 | supernovia | but I love em none the less |
| 20:56.19 | unum | I still get to do that |
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| 20:56.32 | supernovia | well the technical support was OK. but the people were awesome |
| 20:56.33 | unum | that's the thing about a small company. when the owners need tech support.... |
| 20:56.38 | SunSparc | So do I, friends and family all know that I know what a computer is. |
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| 20:57.04 | SunSparc | Windows 95 tech support at that! |
| 20:57.06 | supernovia | I do it on purpose ;-p but I enjoy it so it's OK. |
| 20:57.10 | SunSparc | supernovia: I agree, the people were fun. |
| 20:57.24 | unum | that reminds we I was supposed to contact my brother about someone's tech question |
| 20:57.39 | unum | I say software engineer and all they hear is computer |
| 20:57.56 | supernovia | I like helping users. Pretty sick huh :) |
| 20:58.09 | unum | it depends on the users |
| 20:58.15 | unum | I like my main users |
| 20:58.18 | SunSparc | supernovia: Very kind outlook. |
| 20:58.42 | supernovia | as long as they're not liars and jerks I like them just fine |
| 20:59.05 | unum | I get sick of saying "can you send me the error message" to some of my users |
| 20:59.24 | supernovia | that ones easy; just give them a very vague answer ;-) |
| 20:59.29 | utahcon | :( |
| 20:59.41 | supernovia | well aren't you glad you're done though? |
| 20:59.52 | utahcon | yes |
| 20:59.58 | supernovia | congrats then1 |
| 21:00.02 | SunSparc | ~congrats utahcon |
| 21:00.06 | utahcon | now I can spend the next hour cleaning my desk, today is spring cleaning day. |
| 21:00.07 | supernovia | oh and thx SunSparc :) |
| 21:00.07 | DexterTheDragon | due wednesday of this week |
| 21:00.14 | SunSparc | ? |
| 21:00.23 | supernovia | for the kind outlook comment ;) |
| 21:00.34 | fungus | um... none... yet. |
| 21:00.36 | SunSparc | Ah, ;) |
| 21:01.17 | supernovia | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=92826&l=b3848e5928&id=1011525757 -- windows 95 support cheat sheet |
| 21:01.19 | supernovia | w00t |
| 21:01.47 | supernovia | d'oh, makes you log in. oh well. |
| 21:02.22 | unum | you have users on win95? |
| 21:02.31 | supernovia | no that was from back in the Days. |
| 21:02.59 | supernovia | I mean, I might (I do hosting currently) but if they are I dont' particularly care so long as their browser & ftp works ;) |
| 21:03.12 | fungus | Current Coke "pyramid" http://tinyurl.com/dm2lko |
| 21:03.16 | Dezertol | lol I still have the full install of win 95 on floppy disks |
| 21:03.17 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:03.25 | Dezertol | and 3.11 for that matter |
| 21:03.47 | supernovia | remember when windows totally wasn't windows |
| 21:03.52 | supernovia | it was like dos with some menus? |
| 21:04.12 | Dezertol | I was a mac user that far back |
| 21:04.18 | Dezertol | and am again.. |
| 21:04.20 | Dezertol | funny that |
| 21:04.35 | mgeary | thebigdog: ping |
| 21:04.51 | Dezertol | had one of the origonal mac's with the 5 inch screen no hard drive.. just booted off of one floppy |
| 21:05.01 | supernovia | that's so cool |
| 21:05.03 | Dezertol | it was awsome |
| 21:05.14 | SunSparc | That reminds me of this image: http://nacnud.com/app/webroot/area7/pics/dp_problem1.jpg |
| 21:05.29 | supernovia | I don't think I -ever- owned a mac. We had one of those TI's that was pretty much like a keyboard with cartridges though that'd plug into the TV |
| 21:05.39 | fungus | My first exposure to anything internet was through telnet to the shell at his ISP |
| 21:05.53 | supernovia | lol SunSparc |
| 21:06.05 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:06.07 | Dezertol | had a 14.4 modem that hooked my mac |
| 21:06.10 | Dezertol | woot.. |
| 21:06.22 | supernovia | my first internet was in Russia :-( |
| 21:06.37 | Dezertol | o.. wrong number? |
| 21:06.38 | supernovia | I'd gone through a stage where I felt the need to be un-geeky |
| 21:06.40 | fungus | I saved my allowance for 4 months to buy my first 14.4 modem |
| 21:06.45 | Dezertol | lol that's an expensive dial up |
| 21:06.46 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:07.12 | supernovia | had to do email though once I got to russia |
| 21:07.23 | DexterTheDragon | My coke pyramid http://twitpic.com/2afeu |
| 21:07.29 | wps | man, it's so hard listening to your kids cry |
| 21:07.32 | thebigdog | pong mgeary |
| 21:07.44 | wps | my 8 month old is fighting his nap and has been crying for half an hour |
| 21:07.47 | supernovia | d'oh |
| 21:07.51 | unum | wps: don't give in, or they'll be even worse when they are teenagers |
| 21:08.00 | wps | we don'tâ¦Â we're mean parents |
| 21:08.10 | fungus | DexterTheDragon: Woot! |
| 21:08.18 | wps | my two year old went to time out three times last night because she kept getting out of bed and turning her light on |
| 21:08.26 | supernovia | awesome DexterTheDragon |
| 21:08.38 | supernovia | I am such a bad mom. |
| 21:08.51 | supernovia | when Ethan was 2 he'd get up and watch blind date :-o |
| 21:09.10 | jsmith | wps: Was your two-year-old as bad as my daughter a few years back... she hid crayons in a plant in the time-out corner so she could color on the walls while she was in time-out |
| 21:09.20 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:09.21 | supernovia | lol jsmith |
| 21:09.22 | wps | that's awesome |
| 21:09.33 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:09.34 | jsmith | No, not really awesome |
| 21:09.34 | SunSparc | wps: I recently had success getting my 3 year old to stay in bed by setting his expectation exactly. I told him that I expect him to stay in bed so that I can keep the night lights on. |
| 21:09.59 | supernovia | good job SunSparc |
| 21:10.04 | SunSparc | jsmith: Clever girl. |
| 21:10.25 | SunSparc | supernovia: :) It was a nice parenting moment to have it work three nights in a row. |
| 21:10.45 | supernovia | see, MY nice parenting moment was the day I gave my kids real mattresses. |
| 21:10.56 | supernovia | and nice blankets to boot |
| 21:11.00 | SunSparc | supernovia: lol, did they appreciate it though? |
| 21:11.01 | supernovia | they've stayed in bed ever since |
| 21:11.08 | SunSparc | Oh yeah? |
| 21:11.11 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 21:11.12 | supernovia | they were 3 and 4 |
| 21:11.22 | SunSparc | We tried that too, but I don't think they noticed. |
| 21:11.24 | supernovia | Well, not STAYED in bed since then, but at night you know |
| 21:11.35 | supernovia | they were sleeping on really crappy things before that |
| 21:11.42 | supernovia | and Ethan's favorite website was bhg.com |
| 21:11.46 | SunSparc | My bed is nice enough to stay in all day long. Ahhhhh.... |
| 21:12.07 | eggyknap | Grr... last night the baby woke up for food every 90 minutes, and the 2 year old had a fever and was calling for something or other every 10 minutes between ~2 and ~3:30 |
| 21:12.28 | SunSparc | supernovia: BHG? Really? What does he do there? |
| 21:12.36 | supernovia | well, this was when he was 4 |
| 21:12.50 | supernovia | but he liked looking at the rooms and stuff .. |
| 21:12.59 | supernovia | we were a bit on the transient side at that time |
| 21:13.04 | supernovia | moving every few months |
| 21:13.13 | SunSparc | Interesting that he enjoyed that. |
| 21:13.13 | supernovia | so I guess he -really- wanted a real bedroom |
| 21:13.32 | supernovia | yeah, he found that site himself too from the magazine :-p |
| 21:13.33 | SunSparc | Makes sense. |
| 21:13.53 | supernovia | and as of tuesday he's finally got his own! :-D |
| 21:13.53 | SunSparc | Kids need stability of some kind in their life. |
| 21:14.01 | SunSparc | Woot! |
| 21:14.16 | supernovia | now here's hoping after all that effort we'll actually -stay- here, but we'll see |
| 21:14.25 | SunSparc | We need to come over. Not sure when though. Our schedules are packed. Soccer starts next week. |
| 21:14.37 | supernovia | Yeah you do need to come over. Busy tonight? |
| 21:15.39 | SunSparc | heh, I prefer Mrs. SunSparc too ;) |
| 21:15.42 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:28.47 | mindjuju | anybody here ever use G4L ? |
| 21:31.05 | Dezertol | lol -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7946780.stm kinda creapy |
| 21:33.57 | supernovia | haven't used it mindjuju |
| 21:34.11 | fungus | I only tried it once or twice. |
| 21:34.22 | mindjuju | did it work for you fungus? |
| 21:34.31 | dataw0lf | used it with Knoppix a couple times |
| 21:34.31 | mindjuju | i can't tell if it stalled on me or if it is working |
| 21:34.35 | fungus | yes it worked, but I gave it up for other methods. |
| 21:34.36 | mindjuju | i think stalled |
| 21:34.38 | SunSparc | Dezertol: Cool |
| 21:34.49 | mindjuju | fungus, what would you use to clone a hdd |
| 21:34.53 | mindjuju | with ubuntu on it |
| 21:35.04 | fungus | dump |
| 21:35.12 | fungus | well... depends |
| 21:35.15 | supernovia | on that topic Dezertol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley |
| 21:35.22 | fungus | are you trying to backup, or clone many machines? |
| 21:35.32 | mindjuju | well, i have 2 computers that are identical |
| 21:35.37 | mindjuju | i set up one with everything i want |
| 21:35.44 | mindjuju | want to clone the hdd and put it in the second |
| 21:35.50 | SunSparc | supernovia: I have read that. Pretty good read. |
| 21:35.54 | mindjuju | same mobo, everything |
| 21:35.58 | fungus | heh, in that case, dd |
| 21:36.03 | fungus | boot off live cd |
| 21:36.11 | thebigdog | Dezertol, that is awesome and only 200k i thought it would have been more |
| 21:36.12 | fungus | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 21:36.14 | supernovia | it is a good read |
| 21:36.33 | supernovia | hehe, I wonder where I fall on that line graph .. hehe |
| 21:37.05 | mindjuju | k, i'm goign to try that, if not, i'll just google DD and ubuntu |
| 21:37.07 | mindjuju | thx for the tip |
| 21:37.16 | mindjuju | i think G$L froze, so getting worried |
| 21:38.56 | mgeary | hey, you poor souls who use Windows, can you recommend any utilities to clean up a drive? Look for large files, see where the space is going, etc? |
| 21:39.14 | SunSparc | mgeary: format |
| 21:39.29 | mgeary | oh, ok |
| 21:39.33 | mgeary | AAAAHHHH |
| 21:39.56 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: Space Monger |
| 21:39.57 | SunSparc | mgeary: The Disk Management feature in the admin control panel is not bad. |
| 21:40.29 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: or DriveSpacio |
| 21:41.05 | mindjuju | mgeary, i live and breathe by jdiskreport |
| 21:41.10 | mindjuju | i loves it and its free |
| 21:41.45 | mgeary | thanks |
| 21:49.31 | SunSparc | mgeary: Whose Winders computer are you fiddling with? |
| 21:49.37 | mgeary | it's a Parallels instance |
| 21:49.41 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 21:50.35 | mgeary | Parallels says the partition is 9GB, the actual file on my Mac drive is 7.7 GB, and Windows says it's 8GB, but that there's only 25 megs free, yet at the same time, Windows says it's got 5 gigs on the C drive |
| 21:50.40 | mgeary | :( |
| 21:52.07 | SunSparc | mgeary: I know the size of the vm file grows as needed. But if you are getting the message in windows then I am not sure what it is. |
| 21:52.13 | fungus | Every 3 months I clean out my Windows VM, defrag, shrink the VM disk files, and back it up. Otherwise it would grow out of control. |
| 21:52.17 | SunSparc | Perhaps the windows sleep or vm file |
| 21:52.29 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:54.03 | fungus | Snapshots, easy backup, etc |
| 21:54.14 | eggyknap | It's possible to love having windows... anywhere? :) |
| 21:54.27 | mgeary | how do i defrag? |
| 21:54.33 | fungus | Well love as in compared to being on a physical machine |
| 21:54.34 | Dezertol | used vm's converter to make a vm of my quickbooks server |
| 21:54.51 | Dezertol | nice to have that ability to test on with out worrying about it |
| 21:55.05 | eggyknap | fungus: ok, I'll grant you that :) |
| 21:55.33 | fungus | it runs on Linux! |
| 21:55.47 | Dezertol | we have a nice ESX setup here at work |
| 21:55.55 | mindjuju | so quick question, if i want to see what hdd exist on the computer, that's in fstab, right? |
| 21:55.56 | Dezertol | for all the vm images.. |
| 21:56.12 | Dezertol | df |
| 21:56.13 | fungus | Oh well, yeah. ESX for the servers of course. |
| 21:56.23 | Dezertol | ya |
| 21:56.32 | fungus | But having workstation for Winders and development stuff is really handy |
| 21:56.57 | Dezertol | i'm doing some quickbooks to salesforce intergration |
| 21:57.00 | Dezertol | (not by choice) |
| 21:57.12 | Dezertol | and it's nice to have a vm of the qb server so I don't jack it up |
| 21:57.26 | unum | qb server? |
| 21:57.33 | Dezertol | quickbooks |
| 21:57.34 | unum | is that your quick basic server? |
| 21:57.38 | Dezertol | enterprise 8 |
| 21:57.42 | unum | oh well that's less fun to make fun of |
| 21:57.48 | eggyknap | qb server... as opposed to lineman server, tackle server, and free safety server. |
| 21:57.50 | Dezertol | I can't stand it |
| 21:57.55 | Dezertol | quickbooks is a horrable app |
| 21:58.27 | Dezertol | there api and schema is just garbage |
| 21:58.29 | unum | I wish we prounced horrible and terrible in spanish |
| 21:58.30 | fungus | But isolating the horrible apps to a VM is almost bearable, right? |
| 21:58.59 | Dezertol | it's on a vm so I can install .net and sql servers |
| 21:59.03 | Dezertol | server |
| 21:59.11 | Dezertol | so I can dev my sync app |
| 21:59.19 | Dezertol | and make a release for the production one |
| 21:59.35 | Dezertol | can't license a second one |
| 21:59.42 | Dezertol | with out secrewing up the first as they "call home" |
| 22:00.05 | Dezertol | so.. I vm'd it and killed all network access except to my second nic on my linux box |
| 22:01.00 | Dezertol | so.. i'm on linux rdesktoped to a win vm doing .net to sql server intergration which my linux box with via perl's dbd-sybase push the data out to salesforce |
| 22:01.01 | Dezertol | lol |
| 22:01.08 | Dezertol | how about that for jumbled hacks |
| 22:01.13 | Dezertol | it's hacktastic |
| 22:03.35 | Dezertol | it falls under the.. "we dont' care how you do it.. just get it done" |
| 22:03.38 | Dezertol | category |
| 22:22.38 | *** join/#uphpu carmony (n=justinca@c-67-164-249-224.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:22.38 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v carmony] by ChanServ |
| 22:25.24 | utahcon | I am going home! |
| 22:31.40 | DexterTheDragon | how do I delete the mbr on a drive? |
| 22:31.56 | unum | dd |
| 22:32.19 | unum | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda |
| 22:32.34 | unum | you can limit it so you don't have to wait for it to zero out everything |
| 22:32.58 | DexterTheDragon | yeah its a big drive |
| 22:34.07 | DexterTheDragon | how much of the drive would I need to zero out? |
| 22:34.42 | fungus | 512 bytes |
| 22:35.03 | fungus | it will wipe the partition table too |
| 22:35.17 | DexterTheDragon | works for me |
| 22:35.20 | fungus | 446 bytes for only the boot code |
| 22:35.39 | fungus | well if you don't care just to 1k to be safe |
| 22:37.08 | fungus | or use unum's command and count to 5 in your head. :) |
| 22:58.36 | supernovia | hi carmony |
| 23:01.30 | supernovia | ooo, bbq |
| 23:01.47 | wps | pork is the food of the gods |
| 23:02.00 | Dezertol | ya one friday a month.. we have a "company meeting" |
| 23:02.05 | supernovia | so good if it's smoked a long time .. mmm |
| 23:02.12 | wps | you have a wise boss |
| 23:02.22 | wps | the #1 way to make me happy is free lunch |
| 23:02.25 | Dezertol | and that usually means.. 30+lbs of tri-tip on the grill out side.. + pot luck of all kinds |
| 23:02.27 | supernovia | I like it with north carolina bbq sauce (tangy and hot) |
| 23:02.41 | supernovia | man, I need meetings like that |
| 23:03.04 | Dezertol | we cook half of it in Teriaki and the rest in a spice rub |
| 23:03.13 | supernovia | nom nom nom |
| 23:03.27 | supernovia | just found out my sister in law invited herself over for dinner. But she's bringing it |
| 23:03.28 | supernovia | got ribs! |
| 23:03.39 | Dezertol | o.. and a bunch of bratwrots |
| 23:03.45 | Dezertol | opps.. bad spell |
| 23:03.58 | Dezertol | bratwurst |
| 23:04.05 | supernovia | that's the stuff :) |
| 23:04.42 | supernovia | when are we going to do another uphpu bbq? |
| 23:06.00 | SunSparc | LAN party a Rain tonight, for anyone who wants to play CoD4. |
| 23:06.02 | Dezertol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxW0bYrEljw |
| 23:06.05 | SunSparc | Night! |
| 23:06.08 | Dezertol | that's Joe he did all the cooking |
| 23:06.14 | Dezertol | for the tri-tip |
| 23:06.29 | Dezertol | and it's fantastic |
| 23:07.14 | supernovia | spakoi SunSparc |
| 23:08.22 | supernovia | people will name children after me if I make that? yay! |
| 23:09.19 | supernovia | Joe looks familiar.. |
| 23:09.34 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:09.57 | Dezertol | his wife was on ophera |
| 23:10.05 | Dezertol | not sure if he was or not |
| 23:10.25 | supernovia | I watch more youtube than TV |
| 23:10.30 | Dezertol | me to |
| 23:10.44 | Dezertol | I do watch the food network |
| 23:10.49 | supernovia | and em, not so much oprah |
| 23:10.59 | Dezertol | and descovery and sometimes the history channel |
| 23:11.02 | Dezertol | but thats about it |
| 23:11.04 | supernovia | why was his wife on oprah anyway? |
| 23:11.22 | supernovia | I sometimes get a kick out of smallville :-D |
| 23:11.23 | Dezertol | she was on for some 1 year.. health.. thing |
| 23:11.35 | Dezertol | I don't remember the details |
| 23:11.49 | supernovia | coolio |
| 23:12.23 | Dezertol | I've done tri-tip that way on a number of ocasions.. and it's lovely |
| 23:13.04 | Dezertol | or rather.. food from the grill ;-) |
| 23:13.33 | supernovia | well, grills can be worth loving too. |
| 23:13.54 | Dezertol | ya.. tho.. mine is like.. 9 years old.. I need to get a new one |
| 23:14.01 | Dezertol | maybe this year |
| 23:14.25 | supernovia | we got one with my husband's inheritance :-/ |
| 23:14.34 | Dezertol | I had to change out just about every componet to it.. already at least once |
| 23:14.40 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:14.59 | supernovia | we got it so it hooks up to natural gas and then ran a line out for it |
| 23:15.16 | Dezertol | ya that's a good way to go... |
| 23:15.17 | Dezertol | tho.. |
| 23:15.25 | Dezertol | you have to buy special nosels for it |
| 23:15.29 | Dezertol | or it will never get hot enough |
| 23:15.40 | Dezertol | and the nossels are spendy |
| 23:15.45 | Dezertol | unless it comes with them |
| 23:15.58 | supernovia | I think this one came with them or something, it always does fine |
| 23:16.02 | Dezertol | propaine burns much hotter then natural gas |
| 23:16.19 | Dezertol | some do |
| 23:16.28 | Dezertol | some grills come with them already adapted for natural gass |
| 23:16.30 | Dezertol | it's quite common |
| 23:16.35 | supernovia | yeah this one did |
| 23:17.00 | supernovia | we tend to bbq the slow way anyway though so I dunno |
| 23:17.04 | Dezertol | just don't try to hook it up to propaine with out make the change back |
| 23:17.05 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:17.13 | Dezertol | ya.. |
| 23:17.14 | supernovia | yeah :-) we won't :) |
| 23:17.32 | Dezertol | well slow cooking is like 200 to 220 for like xxx hours |
| 23:17.40 | Dezertol | about an hour per pound ish |
| 23:17.49 | Dezertol | or.. was it 2 lbs |
| 23:17.53 | Dezertol | i'd have to look it up again |
| 23:18.06 | Dezertol | for smokeing anyway |
| 23:18.09 | supernovia | north carolina barbeque needs to be slow cooked |
| 23:18.21 | supernovia | and yeah usually with a basket of soaked wood chips or something too |
| 23:18.36 | Dezertol | ya.. yet another disadvangate of being this far up and north |
| 23:18.45 | Dezertol | you can't get charcole to burn anywhere near hot enough |
| 23:18.55 | Dezertol | with out havn't a tons of it |
| 23:19.01 | Dezertol | having |
| 23:19.20 | Dezertol | in AZ it's lower in altatude.. so the o2 is thicker.. |
| 23:19.27 | Dezertol | charcol does really well there |
| 23:19.38 | supernovia | depends on what part of az I'm sure |
| 23:19.48 | Dezertol | Phoneix |
| 23:19.54 | supernovia | we visit sierra vista alot and it's higher alt. like here |
| 23:19.59 | Dezertol | Flagstaff to payson is probally just as hard |
| 23:21.05 | supernovia | probably |
| 23:21.14 | supernovia | you from Phoenix? |
| 23:22.08 | Dezertol | I grew up in cache valley |
| 23:22.14 | Dezertol | Smithfield to be exact |
| 23:22.26 | Dezertol | after my mission I tried to go to a "singles ward" |
| 23:22.45 | supernovia | those are always fun.. |
| 23:22.45 | Dezertol | and figued if I didn't move out of utah I should just kill my self and get it over with |
| 23:22.59 | Dezertol | so I moved to AZ |
| 23:23.00 | supernovia | ah, yours was a meat market? |
| 23:23.20 | supernovia | I went to a singles ward once and then a singles branch. the branch was freakin awsome |
| 23:23.37 | Dezertol | not so much that as.. fals doctrine being spewed out of very idiot that wanted the attention of the girls |
| 23:23.42 | Dezertol | it was just bad.. |
| 23:23.46 | supernovia | oh that's always fun. |
| 23:24.04 | dataw0lf | fals doctrine? |
| 23:24.07 | supernovia | you can get that anywhere though |
| 23:24.08 | Dezertol | ya.. we even had a guy play back to us a recording he made form a call in show about witches |
| 23:24.09 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:24.10 | supernovia | false doctrine anyway |
| 23:24.17 | dataw0lf | ah false doctrine |
| 23:24.32 | dataw0lf | haha, doctrine gets recited at singles wards? |
| 23:24.33 | Dezertol | we leanred that Mother Mary was part of the god head |
| 23:24.36 | Dezertol | among other things.. |
| 23:24.39 | Dezertol | I about lost it |
| 23:24.43 | supernovia | Lovely. |
| 23:24.46 | Dezertol | and was like.. see ya |
| 23:25.16 | supernovia | well, I learned -again- that behind every good man is a woman ironing his shirts. |
| 23:25.25 | Dezertol | it was a bunch of sexualy frustrated idiots that knew they "had" to get married or that would die |
| 23:25.28 | supernovia | {:-/ |
| 23:25.33 | Dezertol | so there where trying to one up each other |
| 23:25.43 | Dezertol | with more and more outragous crap to try to impress the girls |
| 23:25.55 | supernovia | were the girls impressed? |
| 23:26.02 | Dezertol | sadly.. some where |
| 23:26.08 | supernovia | they were? goodness. |
| 23:26.14 | Dezertol | which just added to the "WTF" factor |
| 23:26.23 | dataw0lf | http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israeli-Army-T-Shirts-Mock-Killing-Palestinian-Women-And-Children-During-Gaza-Offensive/Article/200903315245946?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15245946_Israeli_Army_T-Shirts_Mock_Killing_Palestinian_Women_And_Children_During_Gaza_Offensive |
| 23:26.24 | supernovia | this was in cache valley eh? |
| 23:26.29 | dataw0lf | yay |
| 23:26.30 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:26.36 | Dezertol | mormon bubbles |
| 23:26.43 | Dezertol | are a bad place to be |
| 23:27.05 | supernovia | goodness dataw0lf |
| 23:27.12 | supernovia | those are awful :-S |
| 23:27.18 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 23:27.31 | dataw0lf | good thing we're on their side |
| 23:27.58 | supernovia | idiots abound everywhere |
| 23:28.54 | supernovia | so Dezertol what do you suppose makes people in family wards want to say junk like the shirt ironing stuff? |
| 23:29.29 | supernovia | I think if all it takes to be a good wife is a wrinkle-free shirt a day, mail order brides could be replaced by dry cleaners with delivery services |
| 23:29.41 | supernovia | I wonder who they are trying to impress |
| 23:30.22 | supernovia | but, things aren't normally like that at my ward, thankfully :-) jsut depends on who is giving the lesson |
| 23:30.40 | Dezertol | shirt ironing? |
| 23:30.57 | Dezertol | well.. |
| 23:31.06 | Dezertol | there are a couple problems.. |
| 23:31.34 | Dezertol | the first is that many members are under the dulusion that you have to ware a "white shirt" to church |
| 23:31.59 | supernovia | yup, my stake pres. has asked the guys to wear white |
| 23:32.08 | Dezertol | ya.. |
| 23:32.12 | Dezertol | not only is it wrong |
| 23:32.30 | Dezertol | but there is noting in the chruch about it |
| 23:32.46 | Dezertol | the pres of byu decided that a dress code is best |
| 23:32.54 | Dezertol | and started touting this kind of crap |
| 23:33.02 | Dezertol | and while .. schools have dress codes.. |
| 23:33.19 | Dezertol | the church is more worreid about your salvation |
| 23:33.22 | Dezertol | then your flipflops |
| 23:33.36 | supernovia | yeah the anti-flipflop movement among some people had me a bit sad. |
| 23:33.37 | Dezertol | it's people that feel the need to control |
| 23:33.43 | Dezertol | or the need to "check off lists" |
| 23:33.58 | supernovia | well, people need to mind their own business. |
| 23:34.03 | Dezertol | the people that are spiritually intune don't care |
| 23:34.12 | Dezertol | because it doesn't matter to them |
| 23:34.42 | Dezertol | to many people want to be "saved" but don't want to do the work |
| 23:34.45 | Dezertol | so they want a list |
| 23:34.49 | Dezertol | that they can check off |
| 23:35.08 | Dezertol | and just sit back and say.. as long as I've doen everyhting I have to I'll be saved |
| 23:35.15 | Dezertol | but sadly.. they are mistaken |
| 23:35.20 | supernovia | personally I think it's that they think being saved involves a to-do list where they have to go a little farther than everyone else. silliness. |
| 23:35.32 | Dezertol | exaclty.. |
| 23:35.39 | supernovia | like, oh, no R movies? well I can one up that! |
| 23:36.07 | Dezertol | I have a wonderfull supply of very good rated R movies |
| 23:36.07 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:36.23 | Dezertol | and untill it's an actual question on the temple recomend |
| 23:36.31 | Dezertol | I don't plan on changing that |
| 23:36.41 | Dezertol | same with cafeen |
| 23:36.54 | supernovia | I think people would do best to stop trying to measure themselves against other people. |
| 23:37.01 | Dezertol | they had bishops rejecting temple recomends because people where drinking coke |
| 23:37.02 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:37.12 | Dezertol | the first presidency actually had to address it |
| 23:37.13 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:37.16 | Dezertol | to get it fixed |
| 23:37.24 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:37.26 | supernovia | good times. |
| 23:37.27 | fungus | Anyone see the Big Love episode depicting the Temple endowment ceremony? |
| 23:37.29 | Dezertol | lol ya |
| 23:37.36 | supernovia | Did you end up watching it fungus ? |
| 23:37.38 | Dezertol | I didn't |
| 23:37.44 | fungus | Of course I saw it. |
| 23:37.46 | supernovia | right |
| 23:37.46 | Dezertol | I don't watch much tv |
| 23:38.00 | supernovia | yeah , I'm not a TV watcher either. Did you enjoy it fungus ? |
| 23:38.08 | dataw0lf | fungus: yes. |
| 23:38.13 | fungus | I am pretty much obsessed with Big Love |
| 23:38.17 | supernovia | I have to think it was probably a bigger deal than everyone made it out to be |
| 23:38.23 | supernovia | er, rather |
| 23:38.29 | Dezertol | I've pritty much chalked that up to "They have there reward".. and I just don't care what they do |
| 23:38.29 | supernovia | not as big a deal .. |
| 23:38.42 | dataw0lf | fungus: yea, I think it's amazing. |
| 23:38.47 | fungus | That scene wasn't presented in a negative way at all. |
| 23:39.00 | supernovia | I don't know what all they said in it |
| 23:39.16 | fungus | In fact it showed that the ceremony is a really important and beautiful thing for mormons. |
| 23:40.07 | supernovia | Well, I think most lds people would still rather have not had that on TV. |
| 23:40.09 | fungus | After seeing it, I kinda think that it might make people more likely to be interested in the mormon church. |
| 23:40.51 | supernovia | hehe, would it have made YOU more interested fungus? |
| 23:40.59 | dataw0lf | fungus: it certainly showed the strength of Barb's family and their love for one another. |
| 23:41.18 | fungus | Not me, because I grew up in the church, and know a lot more than most. |
| 23:41.31 | fungus | Also the fact that I don't believe in God is a problem too. |
| 23:41.43 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:41.48 | fungus | Yeah, I was surprised to see Barb's mom so supportive. |
| 23:41.51 | supernovia | Yeah, that wouldn't work out as wel @ church :-D |
| 23:42.08 | supernovia | is your family still lds fungus ? |
| 23:42.22 | fungus | Just my parents, none of my siblings are. |
| 23:42.25 | Dezertol | all but one of my friends is non-member |
| 23:42.44 | dataw0lf | fungus: huh, I didn't know you grew up Mormon, fungus. |
| 23:42.55 | dataw0lf | and are you atheist or alternative spiritual (or both?)? |
| 23:43.44 | fungus | The part of Big Love mormons should even think about getting upset is the depiction of the LDS church surpressing evidence of continued polygamy. |
| 23:44.14 | Dezertol | only because i'm a creature of curiosity.. do you have a specific "turning point"? |
| 23:44.15 | fungus | Yeah, grew up mormon, didn't get out of the church til I really was getting pressure to put in my mission papers. |
| 23:44.27 | Dezertol | ah.. |
| 23:44.29 | Dezertol | ok |
| 23:44.30 | dataw0lf | fungus: I'm wondering if they're going in a Hoffman direction with this season |
| 23:44.31 | Dezertol | cool |
| 23:44.33 | fungus | Graduated from Seminary with honors and everything. |
| 23:44.35 | dataw0lf | err, Hofmann* |
| 23:45.05 | Dezertol | the momon pressure is often miss guided and stupid |
| 23:45.10 | fungus | My turning point was just starting to think for myself. All my life, I only lived to meet expectations of me. |
| 23:45.26 | supernovia | That's too bad fungus :( |
| 23:45.27 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:45.35 | Dezertol | not really |
| 23:45.36 | Dezertol | bad.. |
| 23:45.41 | Dezertol | he found him self |
| 23:45.50 | Dezertol | and that's more the "MOST" of the mormons I know |
| 23:45.58 | fungus | After lots of self searching and stuff, I don't really believe in God. |
| 23:46.02 | Dezertol | so for that.. a congratz is in order |
| 23:46.02 | supernovia | I mean spending your life to that point living to meet other people's expectations of you. can be rough |
| 23:46.13 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:46.19 | Dezertol | that is tough |
| 23:46.21 | Dezertol | and it sucks |
| 23:46.37 | Dezertol | when people get all "bent" and disapointed that your not "living up to there expectations" |
| 23:46.39 | Dezertol | just lame |
| 23:46.39 | fungus | My whole life centered around making everyone happy. |
| 23:46.59 | Dezertol | it's far more importing to find your self |
| 23:47.04 | supernovia | how did you break away from that? |
| 23:47.17 | supernovia | I'm still a big fat pushover |
| 23:47.24 | Dezertol | o.. i'm sure it wasn't a happy day at the fungus house |
| 23:47.25 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:47.29 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:47.36 | fungus | I'm still a pushover for the non-important things. |
| 23:47.56 | supernovia | what d you think made you that way? |
| 23:47.58 | fungus | Actually my parents weren't that bad. |
| 23:48.48 | fungus | It was the people in church that were kinda tuff on me. |
| 23:49.09 | supernovia | I'm sorry :-( |
| 23:49.21 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:49.25 | Dezertol | welcome to UTAH |
| 23:49.30 | fungus | Don't be, I was doing it for the wrong reasons anyway. |
| 23:49.41 | supernovia | I don't think Utah's all bad. |
| 23:49.53 | fungus | It took the pressure of the looming mission to wake me up. |
| 23:50.28 | supernovia | but being a people-pleaser is really rough wherever you go |
| 23:51.02 | Dezertol | but.. |
| 23:51.04 | Dezertol | in other places.. |
| 23:51.12 | Dezertol | the "pressure" to go on a mission |
| 23:51.19 | Dezertol | isn't anywhere as tough |
| 23:51.32 | supernovia | I dunno, if you're lds in other places it might be |
| 23:51.35 | fungus | Also at the same time I was still struggling with being gay. |
| 23:51.41 | Dezertol | i'm the only one of my friends from school that went |
| 23:51.41 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:51.48 | dataw0lf | well, LDS culture is very communal and focused, which is extremely helpful for families in other ways, but for people like fungus, can be extremely hard, as well. |
| 23:51.49 | Dezertol | all the rest have left the church |
| 23:51.50 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:52.28 | supernovia | well, the thing that I -really- wsh people would change is this business of comparing |
| 23:52.45 | Dezertol | it's human nature |
| 23:52.45 | supernovia | thinking that well, this person drinks Coke so they're not as Valiant as I am |
| 23:52.50 | Dezertol | the part that sucks.. |
| 23:53.03 | supernovia | or this person smokes or this person is gay |
| 23:53.10 | Dezertol | is they only compaire them selfs to specific aspectes of specific people |
| 23:53.20 | Dezertol | it's deisgned to fail |
| 23:53.23 | supernovia | so they're -really- bad. the fact is, we're all screwups |
| 23:53.35 | dataw0lf | supernovia: hey, some more so than others (me) |
| 23:54.04 | dataw0lf | but everyone's judgemental. It's human nature. Religion is just organized judgment ;-) |
| 23:54.05 | supernovia | well, I'd say some people ARE really bad on purpose and that's something else (hitler for example) |
| 23:54.09 | supernovia | but MOST people aren't like that |
| 23:54.26 | supernovia | and there's really lots of good in just about everyone |
| 23:54.28 | supernovia | more good than bad I think |
| 23:54.45 | supernovia | but sitting there trying to rationalize your bad by thinking someone elses is worse? it's just ridiculous |
| 23:55.02 | supernovia | I mean if sin is a cliff, you don't exactly fall halfway off |
| 23:55.09 | Dezertol | hitler never cheated on his wife.. he was a loyal husband |
| 23:55.13 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:55.22 | Dezertol | even if he was physo |
| 23:55.25 | dataw0lf | Dezertol: you friends with him or something? |
| 23:55.40 | Dezertol | no I seen a history thing on him |
| 23:55.43 | Dezertol | on the history channel |
| 23:55.44 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:55.59 | supernovia | see, a little good in everyone ;-) |
| 23:56.07 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:56.12 | dataw0lf | well, I'm sure if he wasn't so busy trying to exterminate whole swathes of people and invading Europe and eastern Asia, he would've had more time to cheat. |
| 23:56.17 | dataw0lf | gotta prioritize. |
| 23:56.21 | Dezertol | LOL |
| 23:56.23 | supernovia | Good point :-D |
| 23:56.25 | Dezertol | perhaps |
| 23:56.49 | supernovia | goodness. I just read the worst ever 'inspirational' article someone posted the other day |
| 23:57.06 | supernovia | not LDS but 'christian' - made me so upset I almost threw up ;-S |
| 23:57.09 | dataw0lf | but, yes, there's good in everyone. Hitler did a lot of "good" things for Germany, especially at the beginning. |
| 23:57.33 | supernovia | yeah, so I hear |
| 23:58.01 | dataw0lf | the interesting part is: did he think he was evil? Absolutely not. |
| 23:58.10 | dataw0lf | Nobody ever thinks they're evil. People rationalize. |
| 23:58.37 | Dezertol | i know people that think there evil |
| 23:58.56 | supernovia | i don't -try- to be bad.. |
| 23:58.57 | Dezertol | one of them even changed his name from Jason to JaySin |
| 23:59.02 | supernovia | lol |
| 23:59.05 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:59.12 | Dezertol | he also grew up momrmon |
| 23:59.12 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:59.17 | supernovia | yeah I know a guy who changed his name to Cain |
| 23:59.22 | Dezertol | but he's a porn websit guy now |
| 23:59.22 | dataw0lf | well, yea, but that's candy-ass evil. |
| 23:59.23 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:59.28 | dataw0lf | like Marilyn Manson. |
| 23:59.32 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:59.33 | Dezertol | ya |
| 23:59.33 | fungus | lol, awesome new term. |
| 23:59.36 | Dezertol | he's a manson fan |
| 23:59.38 | Dezertol | and Korn |
| 23:59.39 | dataw0lf | yea, see? |
| 23:59.41 | Dezertol | and blah.. blah.. |
