| 00:00.26 | mindjuju | any good? |
| 00:00.33 | beandog | it was freaking awesome. |
| 00:00.37 | beandog | 4 stars |
| 00:00.38 | beandog | go see it |
| 00:00.39 | beandog | ++ |
| 00:01.09 | supernovia | Hmm |
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| 00:09.28 | beandog | heh |
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| 00:09.34 | beandog | needs more youtube |
| 00:35.32 | supernovia | well, the carpet doesn't have chevrons on it. so that's nice.. |
| 01:05.46 | supernovia | have a great night guys |
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| 03:02.52 | beandog | why does google completely ignore some words when you enter a phrase |
| 03:02.53 | beandog | rawr. |
| 03:03.08 | Dezertol | use quotes |
| 03:03.10 | beandog | it's like, no, I really did want to search on *all* those terms |
| 03:03.23 | Dezertol | and +'s |
| 03:03.43 | beandog | thats still lame. |
| 03:03.59 | beandog | I dont want to tell it to really *really* search on what I just put in there |
| 03:06.37 | Dezertol | lol it's like they say.. if you don't like.. write a better one ;-) |
| 03:06.38 | Dezertol | lol |
| 03:07.21 | Dezertol | could you imagin how big that project would be ... |
| 03:07.24 | Dezertol | yeiks |
| 03:07.51 | beandog | Ill just go back to alta vista. |
| 03:08.08 | Dezertol | that's still around? |
| 03:08.28 | beandog | you can't kill the classics |
| 03:08.36 | Dezertol | lol |
| 03:09.06 | beandog | hmm |
| 03:09.11 | beandog | it actually gave me what I wanted, the first time. |
| 03:09.11 | beandog | nice. |
| 03:10.04 | Dezertol | was altavista the one with the dog zooming around fetching stuff |
| 03:10.10 | Dezertol | in the comercials.. way back wen |
| 03:10.17 | beandog | that was lycos |
| 03:10.22 | Dezertol | ah.. ya |
| 03:10.23 | Dezertol | lycos |
| 03:10.44 | Dezertol | I must admit.. I never used altavista |
| 03:10.50 | Dezertol | i used astalavista |
| 03:10.54 | Dezertol | .box.sk |
| 03:10.58 | Dezertol | lol for all my hacks |
| 03:11.07 | Dezertol | but.. it's not a windows safe site |
| 03:11.08 | Dezertol | lol |
| 03:11.29 | Dezertol | but it's been some time since I've used that |
| 03:11.36 | Dezertol | got out of hacking when I got out of school |
| 03:11.49 | Dezertol | no need for it once I could aford the stuff I was hacking |
| 03:12.26 | Dezertol | still remember that day.. threw like 3 of them 100 disk spindles in the dumpster |
| 03:12.39 | Dezertol | nothing but hacked software |
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| 03:40.25 | beandog | anyone got some good blog software to recommend |
| 03:40.28 | beandog | minus wordpress :) |
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| 14:10.56 | jsmith | mindjuju: At least you learn quickly :-) |
| 14:11.03 | mindjuju | :p |
| 14:11.04 | jsmith | mindjuju: Top o' the morning to you! |
| 14:11.11 | mindjuju | sup jsmith! |
| 14:11.25 | jsmith | Just trying to get over the flu |
| 14:11.35 | mindjuju | wearing anything green? |
| 14:11.51 | jsmith | Aye... |
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| 14:47.53 | macnewbold | me too |
| 14:48.12 | macnewbold | we had green pancakes for breakfast |
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| 15:21.11 | itimber | sup guys |
| 15:22.02 | jsmith | my hunger level... |
| 15:22.06 | jsmith | ... that's what's up! |
| 15:22.14 | macnewbold | time for green pancakes |
| 15:22.24 | undertakingyou | :) |
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| 15:29.52 | supernovia | hi guys |
| 15:30.30 | supernovia | I know this isn't exactly php related but does anyone know anything about this house bill 353 about video games? |
| 15:31.52 | _carmony | what? a bill about video games? |
| 15:32.39 | fungus | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/utah-passes-pointless-worthless-underage-game-sales-bill.ars |
| 15:34.49 | _carmony | lol, wow |
| 15:34.54 | _carmony | gg utah senate :P |
| 15:35.26 | supernovia | sorry I was afk for a second |
| 15:36.50 | supernovia | but yeah looks like you found it :-) so people are saying we should send notes to huntsman to get him to veto it |
| 15:37.39 | unum | has governor spineless ever vetoed anything? |
| 15:38.29 | mgeary | as i understand the bill... |
| 15:38.44 | mgeary | it basically says, "if you say you enforce age ratings, but then don't we're going to punish you" |
| 15:39.02 | mgeary | and critics are saying it's just going to lead everyone to stop saying they enforce age ratings |
| 15:39.36 | mgeary | but that's after about 5 mins of reading, so i could be missing elements |
| 15:39.52 | supernovia | what are supporters saying? I'm not finding much support |
| 15:40.00 | DexterTheDragon | that 5 minutes is probably more than the senate read it |
| 15:40.15 | supernovia | woo hoo! |
| 15:40.32 | unum | the only supporter is a man by the name of Jack Thompson from florida and he's crazy, that's why he's no longer allowed in court |
| 15:40.44 | unum | mgeary: where do you live? |
| 15:40.47 | supernovia | Well typically I like to see -both- sides of an argument because surely someone has to have some reason that makes sense. particularly if it's passed so far |
| 15:40.48 | mgeary | Provo |
| 15:40.58 | unum | you should defiently run for state senate |
| 15:41.04 | unum | is bramble your senator? |
| 15:41.12 | mgeary | unfortunately |
| 15:41.13 | supernovia | but then again maybe I am holding society to too high of a standard when I think that .. |
| 15:41.35 | supernovia | ~mgeary for senate++ |
| 15:41.36 | jbot | go do something useful |
| 15:41.41 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 15:41.42 | unum | did he just run last year? |
| 15:41.46 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:41.49 | mgeary | he just got re-upped |
| 15:41.50 | unum | darn |
| 15:41.56 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:42.01 | unum | that means he's in for an other 4 years just like buttars |
| 15:42.05 | mgeary | hahaah |
| 15:42.08 | mgeary | buttars |
| 15:42.12 | mgeary | what a joke |
| 15:42.13 | supernovia | hehe |
| 15:42.33 | supernovia | so anyway I was just wondering if anyone had -anything- reasonable to say in favor of this bill... |
| 15:42.48 | unum | who were the sponsors? |
| 15:42.51 | supernovia | since it sounds nice and all at first listen but really .. |
| 15:43.09 | supernovia | you're going to punish someone for TRYING to enforce the ratings system if they fail? weird. |
| 15:43.36 | unum | of course even the sponsors don't bother reading the bills.... |
| 15:43.42 | supernovia | Rep. Mike Morley (R) |
| 15:43.52 | unum | I don't know him |
| 15:43.58 | mgeary | well, i suspect the theory is that it would create "safe" game retailers, where parents would feel comfortable having their kids buy games |
| 15:44.13 | mgeary | but it's all stick and no carrot |
| 15:44.13 | supernovia | would much rather have people -try- to enforce ratings system. it'd be fairly obvious if my kids went into game crazy that they're not M for Mature |
| 15:44.42 | supernovia | and that's all Ethan spends his hard earned money on anyway |
| 15:45.14 | unum | personally I blame all of you utah valley people for these bad laws |
| 15:45.17 | supernovia | yeah, that's the thing mgeary, nice idea on the surface |
| 15:45.31 | supernovia | why's that unum? |
| 15:45.44 | mgeary | unum: hey, i'm in Utah Valley, but not of it |
| 15:45.54 | supernovia | lol mgeary |
| 15:46.08 | unum | supernovia: most of the bad legislation is sponsored by utah valley reps and senators |
| 15:46.13 | unum | buttars is a bad salt lake one |
| 15:46.18 | unum | curtis was but we got rid of him |
| 15:46.38 | unum | dougal,morley,bramble they're all utah valley people |
| 15:46.53 | unum | stephanson |
| 15:47.00 | unum | can't forget stephanson |
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| 15:47.07 | mgeary | Valentine |
| 15:47.51 | supernovia | guess it means more normal utah valley people need to run for office :) |
| 15:48.05 | unum | they lose when they run |
| 15:48.09 | mgeary | exactly |
| 15:48.18 | supernovia | I'd say I'm fairly conservative personally but I'd like to think I'd vote for something that makes -sense- ... and that doesn't |
| 15:48.19 | mgeary | the trick, i suppose, is to not run as a Demo |
| 15:48.26 | supernovia | that would be the trick |
| 15:48.33 | unum | part of the problem has to do with the conventions |
| 15:48.44 | unum | most of your delegates are crazy people |
| 15:48.55 | supernovia | hmmm |
| 15:48.56 | mgeary | generally speaking, when a UV republican incumbent has a hard battle, it's with someone even MORE radical than they are |
| 15:49.07 | supernovia | my dad's a delegate |
| 15:49.20 | supernovia | heeh |
| 15:49.21 | unum | so while most of utah valley may not be as crazy as bramble the sane people don't show up to the mass meetings to become delegates so that he gets beaten in the primary |
| 15:49.36 | unum | mgeary: as evidenced by chaffetz |
| 15:49.42 | mgeary | unum: exactly |
| 15:49.42 | supernovia | k, so sane people need to go to meetings |
| 15:49.54 | unum | my brother is also a delegate |
| 15:49.57 | mgeary | problem is, most sane people are content with leading their lives |
| 15:50.00 | supernovia | is he insane? |
| 15:50.04 | unum | yes |
| 15:50.07 | mgeary | it's the wackos who get riled up and go to meetings ;) |
| 15:50.32 | macnewbold | unum and supernovia: who are your brother/father respectively? |
| 15:50.43 | unum | of course I'm also a delegate, but I voted for and campaigned for tim cosgrove |
| 15:50.44 | macnewbold | what areas do they represent? |
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| 15:50.58 | supernovia | my dad's in American Fork, I forget what district and what not |
| 15:50.59 | unum | macnewbold: my brother's a state delegate from layton |
| 15:51.04 | macnewbold | hm |
| 15:51.16 | supernovia | you know em? |
| 15:51.22 | macnewbold | misunderstood "delegate" to mean that they're in the house/senate |
| 15:51.25 | unum | he's in west layton I can't remember who his rep is |
| 15:51.32 | supernovia | ah, no. just delegates |
| 15:51.44 | unum | the delegates select who's on the ticket for the parties |
| 15:52.02 | unum | if the delegates have a close vote then it goes to a primary between the top two candidates |
| 15:52.18 | supernovia | and I'd say my dad is quite conservative but he does think things through and is happy to debate things out with people who have other opinions |
| 15:52.23 | unum | that's the way it works for all state and county partisian races |
| 15:52.24 | macnewbold | the whole 3-levels-removed democracy thing never made a ton of sense to me |
| 15:52.52 | unum | my brother is libertarian crazy not religous crazy |
| 15:53.01 | macnewbold | ah... not sure which is worse |
| 15:53.33 | unum | interesting stephenson actually lives in draper |
| 15:53.40 | unum | he said something to me about spanish fork |
| 15:53.50 | unum | I prefer libertarian crazies |
| 15:54.07 | supernovia | I prefer a good mix :) |
| 15:54.56 | supernovia | since most people involved in politics are heavily opinionated one way or another, it's better to balance them out I'd say |
| 15:58.14 | unum | I can do with out the religous crazies |
| 15:58.30 | unum | I don't need my personal beliefs to be backed by my government |
| 15:59.27 | unum | though I agree with the libertarian that the government shouldn't be passing laws preventing me from practicing my religion(where it doesn't interfere with others rights of course) |
| 16:00.58 | supernovia | yeah - where you draw that line is what gets tricky |
| 16:03.30 | macnewbold | yeah, it's hard to understate the value of real shell access |
| 16:03.39 | macnewbold | ftp is so crippled |
| 16:03.50 | macnewbold | I've actually resorted to phpshell at times... |
| 16:03.59 | mgeary | hey so i didn't hear much buzz from that whole Big Love thing. The audio clip they played on NPR made the show seem really lame and hokey. Did the episode cause much of a splash? |
| 16:03.59 | macnewbold | quite handy actually :-D |
| 16:04.12 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:04.38 | supernovia | seems like it caused more of a splash BEFORE it aired :) |
| 16:05.01 | supernovia | did you watch it fungus? |
| 16:05.49 | fungus | Not yet, started the torrent last night. I'll be watching it tonight. |
| 16:06.22 | supernovia | I don't get HBO but I probably wouldn't have watched it anyway |
| 16:06.32 | fungus | I *love* Big Love. |
| 16:06.33 | supernovia | since I don't even watch the shows I fully intend to see |
| 16:07.41 | supernovia | what do you love most about big love fungus? |
| 16:08.03 | fungus | Great characters |
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| 16:08.12 | fungus | and drama too |
| 16:08.22 | mgeary | the audio clip had the woman talking to her husband about a dream she had about being "cast into outer darkness". It sounded like a bad church movie from the 70s. |
| 16:08.35 | mgeary | like Cypher in the Snow |
| 16:08.47 | dataw0lf | It was a great episode. |
| 16:08.52 | supernovia | What? that's like my favorite all time movie ever. |
| 16:09.04 | supernovia | That or the one about Contance the french horn player. Come on mgeary! |
| 16:09.13 | mgeary | yes, CITS is awesome, but it's still really awful |
| 16:09.28 | mgeary | it's the awfulness that makes it awesome |
| 16:09.43 | supernovia | actually of course the BEST ever is Johnny Lingo. |
| 16:09.46 | supernovia | Mahahna, you ugly! |
| 16:10.57 | undertakingyou | supernovia: over rated. |
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| 16:11.43 | supernovia | but not to worry, I was watching it with my geeky friends so it wasn't quite as bad |
| 16:11.46 | beandog | mgeary, Cipher in the Snow .... freaking *awesome* |
| 16:11.49 | beandog | just saw it the first time the other day |
| 16:12.00 | beandog | great flick for the emo generation. :D |
| 16:12.02 | mgeary | yes, but again, it's awesome because it's so awful |
| 16:12.05 | supernovia | yeah!! |
| 16:12.23 | supernovia | dude I think that movie is -responsible- for the emo generation |
| 16:12.44 | supernovia | I remember watching it when I was 11 and a complete outcast |
| 16:12.52 | supernovia | and thinking it'd be really cool if I got off the bus and died in the snow |
| 16:13.01 | beandog | heh |
| 16:13.02 | beandog | seriously |
| 16:13.05 | beandog | go out dramatically. |
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| 16:13.13 | supernovia | especially if this hot 12 year old I totally was into had to give me mouth to mouth |
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| 16:14.12 | supernovia | actually supernovio was a paper boy at that time |
| 16:14.15 | supernovia | and I was a paper girl |
| 16:14.32 | supernovia | and another cool 'going out dramatically' fantasy was that I'd get heat exhaustion |
| 16:14.55 | supernovia | you know from actually -wearing- the paper bag meant for a bike |
| 16:14.58 | SunSparc | Interesting conversation to walk in on... |
| 16:15.35 | supernovia | and I thought it'd be cool if he found me dying on the route and had to save me. So I'm sure, aside from the crazy teenage depression I had then, he wouldn't mind at all. |
| 16:15.49 | supernovia | of course he had no idea who I was... |
| 16:15.56 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:16.29 | supernovia | Welcome SunSparc! Remember cipher in the snow? |
| 16:16.41 | mindjuju | on a side note, out of curiosity, what is everybody using for digital asset management? |
| 16:16.47 | supernovia | ^5 unum! |
| 16:17.02 | unum | mindjuju ? |
| 16:17.05 | beandog | its always puzzled me what I ever did with all that money I was making at 10 years old. I must have been rich. |
| 16:17.08 | SunSparc | supernovia: Yep, classic flick. |
| 16:17.09 | unum | that sounds like business speak |
| 16:17.17 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: that was way off topic |
| 16:17.18 | supernovia | and @ beandog too |
| 16:17.34 | fungus | lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypher_in_the_Snow |
| 16:17.34 | beandog | I think I bought a ton of Garbage Pail Kids cards |
| 16:17.36 | mindjuju | unum, dtd - that's some kind of software that is used to store images, videos, audio, etc |
| 16:17.39 | unum | beandog: I saved mine up, and blew it in my first week of college |
| 16:17.44 | mindjuju | allows for indexing, etc |
| 16:17.55 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipher_in_the_snow |
| 16:17.57 | unum | mindjuju: ext3 :) |
| 16:18.11 | fungus | I think I like the lesbian band better. |
| 16:18.12 | mgeary | an all women queercore band??!! |
| 16:18.25 | supernovia | nice fungus |
| 16:18.56 | supernovia | ah no this is great.. "Cipher in the Snow is an inspirational[citation needed] story" |
| 16:19.37 | beandog | lol |
| 16:19.45 | beandog | thats awesome. |
| 16:20.32 | SunSparc | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/software-engineering-explained.png |
| 16:21.30 | beandog | SunSparc, thats an oldie, but a classic |
| 16:21.44 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:21.55 | supernovia | lol SunSparc - I hadn't seen this one |
| 16:22.16 | SunSparc | Sadly very true. |
| 16:22.33 | SunSparc | supernovia: Check out this cool super nova remnant: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html |
| 16:22.34 | supernovia | so lovely |
| 16:22.48 | supernovia | Nice! That one's fresh eh |
| 16:23.05 | _carmony | lol SunSparc, that is a classic |
| 16:24.06 | mindjuju | i like tori amox |
| 16:24.10 | mindjuju | amos |
| 16:24.11 | fungus | Hm, Tori doing a cover of Sweet Dreams. interesting |
| 16:24.19 | macnewbold | personally, I like the older Eurythmics version better myself |
| 16:24.22 | mindjuju | yeah, have to admit, i didn't know she did that |
| 16:24.33 | SunSparc | Eurythmics++ |
| 16:24.34 | mindjuju | macnewbold, true that |
| 16:24.52 | fungus | The Marilyn Manson version was cool too. |
| 16:25.00 | macnewbold | don't know that I ever heard that one |
| 16:25.10 | macnewbold | makes me think of the Mamas and the Papas for some reason |
| 16:25.40 | supernovia | the tori amos version or the eurythmics? |
| 16:26.00 | supernovia | that was intended for macnewbold btw. |
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| 16:30.25 | mgeary | hey, what's the svn command to grab a version that will NOT be version-controlled? |
| 16:30.52 | fungus | svn export |
| 16:31.35 | mgeary | thanks |
| 16:33.24 | mgeary | yeah, me too |
| 16:33.33 | mgeary | this was a pass along Q from a friend |
| 16:34.22 | mgeary | man, you guys should totally see my new backyard |
| 16:34.30 | mgeary | we're getting a waterfall |
| 16:34.38 | fungus | The rsync method would be really useful for deployment scripts, especially if you don't want the svn tools on the production server. |
| 16:35.10 | supernovia | cool mgeary! |
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| 16:35.25 | supernovia | my new carpet is still being installed as we speak |
| 16:35.47 | SunSparc | supernovia: how exciting :) |
| 16:35.57 | supernovia | I think so :-D |
| 16:36.37 | supernovia | it'll probably take all day and then goodness, probably a few days to clean up the house again |
| 16:36.46 | supernovia | but I am super excited to have that much more finished space :-) |
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| 16:37.06 | supernovia | looking for a good place to buy those big fat beanbag chairs for the theater room |
| 16:37.06 | SunSparc | Then you can Fit again! |
| 16:37.26 | supernovia | exactly!! Goodness though, I'm afraid I'll get on and find that all my hard work for 2009 has been lost |
| 16:37.45 | SunSparc | supernovia: Check out http://www.beanbaguniverse.com/ |
| 16:37.54 | SunSparc | Never been there, but seen their sign. |
| 16:38.17 | supernovia | Ah, thanks SunSparc . I think I've seen their ads around |
| 16:38.47 | supernovia | we figure we'll get these for now, then when the kids are teenagers, we'll upgrade to 'cool |
| 16:39.01 | supernovia | 'cool' new theater chairs :-) gotta keep em separated .. :-p |
| 16:39.30 | SunSparc | Nice, a song quote. |
| 16:39.46 | SunSparc | Anyone else catch that? |
| 16:40.00 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:40.10 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: http://www.sumolounge.com/ |
| 16:40.28 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJQFf0qj9Nk |
| 16:41.00 | supernovia | Wowsers DexterTheDragon |
| 16:41.33 | supernovia | thanks for the link. I dare say their advertising is geared to non-girls though :-p |
| 16:43.54 | supernovia | the carpet installer guy is going to wonder why I'm checking out a blonde on a beanbag chair. Goodness. |
| 16:43.54 | SunSparc | jbot, beandog is also a non-girl |
| 16:43.55 | jbot | SunSparc: okay |
| 16:43.55 | DexterTheDragon | ~beandog |
| 16:43.56 | jbot | [beandog] the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway, or a non-girl |
| 16:43.56 | DexterTheDragon | jbot ? |
| 16:44.03 | beandog | lols |
| 16:44.04 | SunSparc | supernovia: what is the carpet installer guy doing checking out your computer screen. |
| 16:44.11 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 16:44.26 | macnewbold | supernovia: I was referring to the Marilyn Manson one, but I haven't heard the Tori Amos one either |
| 16:44.27 | supernovia | heheh |
| 16:44.42 | supernovia | Ah, thanks macnewbold |
| 16:45.06 | supernovia | beandog <3's Janeway? |
| 16:45.24 | beandog | tell u whot. |
| 16:45.35 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:45.38 | DexterTheDragon | yes he does |
| 16:45.45 | mgeary | supernovia: yes, he 2's her |
| 16:45.57 | supernovia | she sounds like she's had a tracheotomy |
| 16:46.02 | DexterTheDragon | ~mindjuju |
| 16:46.03 | jbot | somebody said mindjuju was sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or has a thing for hawt sitcom moms |
| 16:46.15 | supernovia | lol |
| 16:46.20 | mgeary | ~edith bunker mindjuju |
| 16:46.35 | utahcon | ~lart jbot |
| 16:46.35 | jbot | takes out utahcon with the trash |
| 16:46.42 | utahcon | doh |
| 16:46.55 | supernovia | supernovio <3's Janeway too, fwiw, beandog |
| 16:46.59 | SunSparc | Don't mess with jbot :) |
| 16:47.23 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:47.26 | fungus | And 7of9 is a bitch, she stole Chakotay from Janeway. |
| 16:47.29 | SunSparc | beandog: That would be awesome! |
| 16:47.37 | macnewbold | I'm more of a ST:TNG guy, or ST:DS9 sometimes |
| 16:47.40 | supernovia | supernovio recorded over Ethan's ultrasound with some voyager cliffhanger. |
| 16:47.45 | macnewbold | hm ST: DS9 |
| 16:47.52 | supernovia | I am all TNG. |
| 16:47.55 | SunSparc | supernovia: Nice |
| 16:47.57 | macnewbold | haha, supernovia that's awesome |
| 16:48.01 | dataw0lf | theonion.com/content/video/manufacturer_recalls_hollow_point?utm_source=a-section |
| 16:48.06 | macnewbold | priorities straight fo sho |
| 16:48.21 | supernovia | and then watched the final episode while I was in labor. Yeah. He reallllly loves Janeway. |
| 16:49.13 | supernovia | best TNG eposiode ever - 4 lights. |
| 16:49.22 | supernovia | so my theater room with its super cool star ceiling has 4 lights. Yay! |
| 16:49.43 | macnewbold | haha |
| 16:49.46 | macnewbold | 4 lights is awesome |
| 16:49.57 | macnewbold | gul dukat is a bit crazy |
| 16:50.02 | supernovia | I made some 4 lights flair on facebook |
| 16:50.07 | macnewbold | and patrick stewart should have won an emmy for that |
| 16:50.19 | supernovia | agreed!! |
| 16:50.42 | supernovia | eeeeeww dataw0lf |
| 16:50.50 | SunSparc | Wow, inferno bullets. |
| 16:51.03 | macnewbold | if you're looking for some good patrick stewart, there's a movie called "Joseph" (as in joseph of egypt) that stars him. it's awesome, but a bit long. was 2 vhs tapes. |
| 16:51.26 | supernovia | I'll have to add it to .... oh noooooooo (forgot I cancelled netflix!) |
| 16:51.35 | beandog | supernovia, blasphemy! |
| 16:52.02 | SunSparc | supernovia: We have Joseph, you can borrow, if you have VHS ;) |
| 16:52.10 | macnewbold | we have it too, again on vhs |
| 16:52.12 | supernovia | heheh, I don't have VHS |
| 16:52.21 | supernovia | but my parents do. maybe could watch it over there |
| 16:52.22 | fungus | rofl, complained that his face didn't explode |
| 16:52.40 | supernovia | it's uh, parent appropriate right? |
| 16:52.42 | fungus | dude, I want inferno bullets. |
| 16:53.03 | SunSparc | supernovia: Yes, it is basically an animated version of the 10 commandments. |
| 16:53.07 | macnewbold | supernovia: yeah, its' good. very biblical. |
| 16:53.08 | supernovia | Sweet. |
| 16:53.27 | macnewbold | it's the kind of movie my mom would love, if she could last 3 hours w/o falling asleep |
| 16:53.31 | supernovia | Figured it would be with referring to Jospeh & Egypt but figured I'd better check. |
| 16:53.32 | SunSparc | Has Val Kilmer and a bunch of other big names. |
| 16:53.47 | supernovia | I said figured twice in that line. D'oh. |
| 16:54.02 | macnewbold | paul mercurio I think is the name of the guy playing joseph - he's from Strictly Ballroom :) |
| 16:54.05 | supernovia | but yeah I'd love to borrow it sometime :-) |
| 16:54.53 | mgeary | dataw0lf: that's awesome |
| 16:55.42 | macnewbold | supernovia: if you don't mind picking it up in Draper, pm or email me and you're welcome to get it almost any time |
| 16:55.52 | SunSparc | Oh wait, I was thinking of Prince of Egypt. Doh! |
| 16:56.05 | mindjuju | i work in draper and live in Orem |
| 16:56.21 | supernovia | Oh I didn't realize you live in draper macnewbold |
| 16:56.22 | mindjuju | macnewbold, i could get it from you and leave it at home and Velda could get it from Tiff |
| 16:56.33 | supernovia | Or.. |
| 16:56.39 | supernovia | is anyone going to the meeting Thursday? |
| 16:56.55 | macnewbold | sure. My house is in Suncrest, on the hill between Draper and Highland/Alpine |
| 16:56.57 | supernovia | I'm sure mindjuju will be there right? |
| 16:57.05 | supernovia | Dude, my kids go to school -right- by there. |
| 16:57.06 | mindjuju | nope, ain't going |
| 16:57.10 | supernovia | really? |
| 16:57.17 | mindjuju | yeah, i have to be there |
| 16:57.19 | mindjuju | it's at my work |
| 16:57.27 | supernovia | heheh, OK |
| 16:57.44 | supernovia | ~lart mindjuju |
| 16:57.44 | jbot | forces mindjuju to use Outlook Express |
| 16:57.49 | supernovia | Hah! |
| 16:57.50 | utahcon | jbot is mean |
| 16:57.53 | mindjuju | i use outlook |
| 16:58.06 | fungus | not much better |
| 16:58.07 | mindjuju | i wonder how long you can leave yogurt out before its deadly |
| 16:58.17 | mindjuju | i packed some in for bfast, but didn't eat it |
| 16:58.20 | supernovia | you make new yogurt by keeping it warm |
| 16:58.23 | mindjuju | its been like 3 hours out |
| 16:58.26 | utahcon | mindjuju: 4 days till it makes you sick. Day 5... get rid of it. |
| 16:58.35 | mindjuju | good to know utahcon |
| 16:58.43 | supernovia | it's totally fine mindjuju |
| 16:58.43 | mindjuju | i'm going to throw this in the fridge |
| 16:59.18 | supernovia | macnewbold, are you going to go to the meeting? |
| 16:59.25 | utahcon | I once ate ramen that was 4 days old. Don't ever do that. |
| 16:59.31 | macnewbold | I'd like to |
| 16:59.40 | macnewbold | that would be a good way to exchange |
| 16:59.43 | supernovia | ouch, can't imagine utahcon |
| 16:59.45 | mindjuju | utahcon, that's way too awesome |
| 16:59.52 | supernovia | OK. |
| 16:59.56 | macnewbold | I need to see how many brownie points I have in my account at home |
| 17:00.09 | supernovia | what would you like to exchange it for? |
| 17:00.16 | supernovia | I have... a few movies .. |
| 17:00.25 | utahcon | I need to stop eating my brownie points. I might lose weight. |
| 17:00.40 | mindjuju | supernovia, do you have max dugan returns or big trouble in little china? |
| 17:00.46 | supernovia | mmm no I don't |
| 17:00.59 | utahcon | Big Trouble in Little China rocks1 |
| 17:01.23 | mindjuju | video library can't be a video library without big trouble in LC |
| 17:01.33 | supernovia | it's really not a video library is the problem |
| 17:01.46 | supernovia | I think I've got more excercise DVDs than anything |
| 17:02.21 | supernovia | and spongebob.. |
| 17:02.46 | utahcon | I just thought how cool a spongebob work out video would be... then reality set in. |
| 17:02.47 | undertakingyou | Those two must go together well :) |
| 17:02.57 | fungus | "He lives in a pineapple under the sea..." |
| 17:03.07 | supernovia | dude. The episode with the jellyfish jam and the techno would make a really great workout |
| 17:03.35 | mindjuju | we're still in the imagination movers, handy mandy stage in our house |
| 17:03.40 | mindjuju | no spongebob |
| 17:03.52 | mgeary | mindjuju: it's MANNY, not MANDY, sheesh |
| 17:04.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:04.05 | utahcon | I love th movers! |
| 17:04.09 | mgeary | or does he have a sister |
| 17:04.10 | utahcon | my wife thinks scott is dreamy |
| 17:04.11 | supernovia | Mandy is a little ... ornery. for little kids. |
| 17:04.23 | mindjuju | utahcon, which is the guy with the hat? |
| 17:04.28 | mindjuju | the cowboy hat |
| 17:04.29 | utahcon | goggles |
| 17:04.36 | utahcon | I think |
| 17:04.44 | utahcon | whichever one has the goggles... she like him |
| 17:06.11 | mindjuju | there is a guy in the CF community by the name of Matt Reinbold, he looks IDENTICAL to the guy with the cowboy hat |
| 17:06.17 | mindjuju | and they both wear the EXACT same hat |
| 17:06.23 | mindjuju | it's uncanny |
| 17:06.35 | utahcon | people still use Cold Fusion? |
| 17:07.03 | utahcon | For the record "Kidnap the sandy claws" is by Korn. |
| 17:07.05 | fungus | lol, a few |
| 17:07.07 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:07.09 | utahcon | and is awesome! |
| 17:07.23 | utahcon | Cold Fusion was how I found PHP... |
| 17:07.31 | utahcon | CF was dumb... PHP was glorius! |
| 17:08.00 | mindjuju | man, can't find any pics of matt in his hat |
| 17:08.12 | fungus | I went from CF to Perl to PHP. |
| 17:09.57 | utahcon | I don't know what path I followed officially. I just remember learning CF. |
| 17:10.14 | fungus | CF was cool if your idea was simple. |
| 17:10.19 | fungus | Just very inflexible |
| 17:11.45 | supernovia | http://www.nick.com/turbonick/?extvideoid=45965 |
| 17:14.08 | _carmony | is that today? |
| 17:14.33 | fungus | yes, you haven't missed anything interesting yet. |
| 17:14.35 | supernovia | I'm outta here for a bit. see ya guys |
| 17:15.13 | mindjuju | SunSparc - where are you catching that? |
| 17:15.22 | fungus | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/live-ars-technica-coverage-of-apples-iphone-os-30-event.ars |
| 17:15.25 | SunSparc | Just on engadget. |
| 17:15.45 | SunSparc | But there are other places to monitor it. |
| 17:18.45 | unum | so my problem is a caching issue with phpbb3 |
| 17:19.02 | unum | if I clear out /var/cache/phpbb3/cache/ it works fine |
| 17:22.05 | mindjuju | i wonder if they are going to extend the iphone to having some kind of defibrillator ?? (iphone with a blood pressure cuff??? seems goofy to me) |
| 17:23.15 | unum | I shouldn't say it workings fine, I can then load one of the sites right |
| 17:23.24 | unum | and then the other site immediatle stops working |
| 17:31.50 | mgeary | SunSparc: anything good yet? |
| 17:32.04 | mgeary | unum: caching isn't your only problem if you're using phpBB |
| 17:32.09 | mindjuju | mgeary, yeah, iphone blood pressure cuff |
| 17:32.32 | mgeary | woot |
| 17:32.37 | SunSparc | p2p, maps integration, push architecture, etc. |
| 17:32.54 | jsmith | All the things it should have had before, right? |
| 17:33.03 | SunSparc | bluetooth p2p at that, contact sharing, gaming, etc |
| 17:33.18 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 17:33.23 | mgeary | p2p how? |
| 17:33.37 | jsmith | mgeary: bluetooth, apparently... |
| 17:33.47 | mgeary | yeah, but for what? |
| 17:33.57 | mgeary | contacts & games, apparently |
| 17:34.01 | jsmith | Sharing contacts |
| 17:34.07 | jsmith | Sharing photos |
| 17:34.12 | mgeary | i guess it's more about the api right now |
| 17:34.19 | mgeary | not concrete features |
| 17:34.25 | jsmith | (Syncing to the desktop --- Oh wait... that'd be revolutionary!) |
| 17:34.39 | SunSparc | Yes, all api. This is what devs can do. |
| 17:34.52 | mgeary | right |
| 17:34.54 | fungus | eh, syncing to desktop is so 90s |
| 17:35.13 | jsmith | fungus: Some of us sync our phones to the cloud :-p |
| 17:35.23 | fungus | Exactly. |
| 17:35.32 | fungus | IMAP/Exchange type protocols. |
| 17:35.37 | fungus | No desktop sync necessary |
| 17:38.41 | fungus | https://www.nuevasync.com/ provides an exchange gateway to your Google Mail/Calendar/Contacts |
| 17:43.27 | Dezertol | anyone used -> http://vpsland.com/ ... vs.. linode.com? |
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| 17:47.59 | mgeary | ... all 13 minutes left of it |
| 17:50.09 | carmony | +-lol |
| 17:54.46 | DexterTheDragon | ~lol |
| 17:54.47 | jbot | i guess lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 17:58.36 | mgeary | but then, i also *never*, on pain of death, abbreviate "your" or "you're" as "ur" |
| 17:58.43 | mgeary | that just makes my teeth hurt |
| 17:58.52 | mgeary | that's even worse than kk |
| 17:58.59 | mgeary | kk, thebigdog |
| 18:02.56 | dataw0lf | ur dum |
| 18:03.09 | dataw0lf | y u h8 on mai wai of speekin |
| 18:05.29 | fungus | yay, Copy/Paste |
| 18:09.46 | utahcon | fungus: you're gonna need to buy a new iPhone. |
| 18:10.05 | fungus | eek, don't say that. |
| 18:11.18 | dataw0lf | fungus: did they actually announce it? |
| 18:11.50 | fungus | Yup |
| 18:12.17 | dataw0lf | sweet |
| 18:12.23 | dataw0lf | utahcon: and, no. this is the software update. |
| 18:12.52 | utahcon | http://trunks.fireball20xl.com/twats/comic/comics.php?id=96 |
| 18:13.43 | fungus | MMS |
| 18:13.52 | herlo | mms? |
| 18:14.02 | herlo | mymemoriessuite.com? |
| 18:14.03 | fungus | SMS w/ pics |
| 18:14.11 | herlo | fungus: oh |
| 18:14.50 | herlo | utahcon: very nice |
| 18:14.54 | dataw0lf | YES |
| 18:14.59 | dataw0lf | THANK YOU BABY JESUS FOR MMS |
| 18:15.05 | mgeary | psh |
| 18:15.27 | fungus | I'm scared to click utahcon's link, it has the word "twats" in it. |
| 18:15.36 | herlo | fungus: there are no twats on the page |
| 18:15.37 | Dezertol | click it |
| 18:15.39 | Dezertol | it's worth it |
| 18:15.41 | dataw0lf | landscape keyboard in all applications |
| 18:15.44 | dataw0lf | yessss |
| 18:16.21 | fungus | lol, nice. |
| 18:16.28 | fungus | and yes, no twats |
| 18:16.39 | dataw0lf | yayayayaya. iPhone 3.0 ftw. |
| 18:16.47 | fungus | yay CalDAV support |
| 18:17.34 | fungus | Search too |
| 18:18.23 | fungus | lol, do you really think *I* am filtered? |
| 18:18.29 | fungus | :) |
| 18:19.04 | dataw0lf | fungus: ooooh voice memos that you can send via MMS or email |
| 18:19.07 | mgeary | ~BOFH |
| 18:19.07 | jbot | i guess bofh is Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
| 18:19.13 | utahcon | I know you're not. |
| 18:19.22 | utahcon | But if I can get to it, it *has* to be safe :D |
| 18:19.31 | fungus | ahh, good point |
| 18:19.48 | fungus | but you are smart enough to get around the firewall |
| 18:21.19 | dataw0lf | Spotlight! |
| 18:21.42 | unum | who was it in here that was using phpbb with multiple domains? |
| 18:22.35 | fungus | Pretty much all the rumors are coming true. |
| 18:22.52 | dataw0lf | fungus: yup |
| 18:24.12 | mindjuju | if you vote for pedro all your wildest dreams will come true |
| 18:24.24 | fungus | ~pedro++ |
| 18:24.32 | herlo | ~pedro-- |
| 18:24.51 | fungus | ~mock herlo |
| 18:24.51 | jbot | ACTION pulls herlo's pants down and shows the world herlo's pink spotted underwear |
| 18:24.52 | herlo | ~pedro++ |
| 18:25.01 | herlo | ~travolta fungus |
| 18:25.02 | jbot | ACTION replaces fungus with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 18:25.15 | herlo | ~karma pedro |
| 18:25.15 | jbot | pedro has karma of 1 |
| 18:25.35 | utahcon | finally... how to get your 3.0 |
| 18:26.21 | dataw0lf | "update from iTunes TODAY" |
| 18:26.34 | fungus | :( I wish. |
| 18:26.39 | utahcon | The developer beta is available today |
| 18:26.54 | dataw0lf | aw jea |
| 18:27.40 | utahcon | "Start testing now" sounds like a month till Public release of the end user stuffs. |
| 18:27.42 | fungus | damn, not all features available on original iPhone |
| 18:28.34 | fungus | They only mentioned stereo bluetooth, so perhaps it's just a hardware limitation |
| 18:28.47 | fungus | and only bluetooth features I'll be left out on. |
| 18:29.09 | utahcon | bluetooth and MMS not on 1st gen iphone |
| 18:29.33 | dataw0lf | yea, that's it. I got the 3G though, so I'm fine |
| 18:29.44 | utahcon | free to sheep and $10 to cheap sheep with touchs. |
| 18:30.10 | fungus | baaaa |
| 18:30.14 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:30.20 | dataw0lf | baaaaaaa |
| 18:32.30 | itimber | baaaa.... /me pulls out a 10 spot for his lousy touch |
| 18:34.47 | dataw0lf | itimber: what up man, my iPhone died because I forgot to bring my charger so I was in a black hole for the rest of the weekend. |
| 18:35.11 | itimber | sup mang |
| 18:35.40 | itimber | I just assumed you were on the side of some mountain or getting laid or both |
| 18:35.42 | itimber | :) |
| 18:36.16 | itimber | oop... did I say that out loud? |
| 18:36.20 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 18:36.21 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 18:36.39 | itimber | LOL |
| 18:36.44 | itimber | I'll PM from now on |
| 18:36.53 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 18:40.14 | fungus | tethering is "supported" in 3.0 but working with carriers to see when networks can support it. |
| 18:41.08 | dataw0lf | yay |
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| 18:53.45 | mindjuju | while we've had VERY bad luck with lenovo, this looks pretty cool - http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/16/lenovo-leaks-pocket-yoga-mystery-netbook-pics/ |
| 18:54.13 | fungus | ooh, very pretty |
| 18:55.22 | fungus | But i would like a bit more vertical resolution than that. |
| 19:10.56 | DexterTheDragon | ~facepalm mindjuju |
| 19:11.15 | mindjuju | the VP over support put his buddy in as the director several months ago, and this whole time, it's being going down and down and down. Now the tech support is starting to come to us for help |
| 19:11.29 | mindjuju | but get this, when they are answering the phones, they AREN'T EVEN ASKING WHAT VERSION OF WINDERS! |
| 19:12.02 | mindjuju | i hate cronism |
| 19:12.27 | thebigdog | mgeary kills me softly |
| 19:12.31 | mindjuju | huh, i could put this one guy who knows his stuff, or i could put my friend who literally got his first computer 6 months ago |
| 19:13.39 | mindjuju | reminds me of the guy they almost put in charge, who argued with me for like 10 min that a router, switch and hub were all the same thing |
| 19:15.17 | fungus | eek, I just got handed a Vista CD as a threat for punishment. |
| 19:15.50 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:20.50 | mgeary | mindjuju: i hate cronyism even more |
| 19:20.59 | mgeary | i mean, you know, everyone needs cron now and then |
| 19:21.03 | mindjuju | mgeary, i was wondering how to spell it |
| 19:21.12 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:21.16 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:22.40 | mindjuju | it's pretty good with a kickin' beat and just the right mix of sounds, music, etc |
| 19:23.42 | mgeary | so, i asked yesterday when most folks were offline, but i'm getting to the point where i'd like to know about some competent project manager types that might be interested in a (new) job |
| 19:24.14 | mgeary | probably still a ways out, but y'all can start thinking of people you know who might fit the bill and be interested |
| 19:26.00 | mindjuju | that's a really good one dtd |
| 19:26.14 | DexterTheDragon | oh yeah |
| 19:37.37 | orsonj | yoga netbook reminds me of one of the old Jornada palmtops: http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/21/jornada680.JPG |
| 19:38.14 | orsonj | my dad still has his. (except his is the tall screen version) |
| 19:39.06 | orsonj | http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/21/jornada820.jpg (quite like the current collection of netbooks, except with lousier specs) |
| 19:40.20 | orsonj | funny to think my dad had a netbook 10 years ago. |
| 19:41.02 | utahcon | I owned an iPaq back in the day... much like the jornada |
| 19:41.13 | DexterTheDragon | they weren't cool then |
| 19:41.16 | utahcon | it was great for long flights as it played video :D |
| 19:41.21 | orsonj | And, its boot time still kicks the crap out of anything these days. |
| 19:52.54 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 19:53.08 | mgeary | hey, we've seen that one recently |
| 19:53.10 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 19:53.18 | mgeary | ~cookie |
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| 20:39.42 | mindjuju | so fungus, when you loaded this sunfire v120 over serial, did you do eth -> serial ? |
| 20:40.19 | fungus | No, just serial to serial. |
| 20:40.43 | fungus | Connect your serial port to the serial port on the server |
| 20:40.43 | mindjuju | i know this is going to sound goofy, but why am i not seeing the serial ports anywhere? |
| 20:41.03 | fungus | heh, it uses an RJ45 jack |
| 20:42.08 | fungus | Here is the user guide. http://dlc.sun.com/pdf/816-2090-10/816-2090-10.pdf |
| 20:42.35 | fungus | it's labeled Serial A/LOM |
| 20:44.16 | fungus | See chapter 6 of the user guide. |
| 20:46.18 | josephscott | thank you sun for allowing people to plug the wrong device into the wrong jack by using the same form factor for both |
| 20:46.57 | fungus | It's not just Sun, nearly every network device manufacturer does the same thing. |
| 20:47.07 | fungus | Cisco, HP, Netapp, IBM, etc. |
| 20:47.34 | fungus | but yes, it's just plain silly |
| 20:48.40 | josephscott | I think DEC used to have their own form factor, which kept you from plugging it in the wrong spot, but just ended up being a different kind of pain |
| 20:49.02 | fungus | oh yeah, they had the retainer clip on the side, instead of in the middle. |
| 20:49.49 | fungus | That kept you from plugging in the wrong cable, but made it maddening when you had to go search for the proper adapter. |
| 20:50.10 | josephscott | yep |
| 20:50.18 | josephscott | standards, what's the point :-) |
| 20:50.36 | fungus | Personally I'd rather use a standard RJ45 which I can wire anyway I need. |
| 20:51.10 | fungus | those DB25 or DB9 to RJ45 adapters are easy and quick to reconfigure |
| 20:51.21 | josephscott | ever fried anything by plugging it into the wrong jack? |
| 20:51.35 | fungus | No, I read the labels first. :) |
| 20:54.26 | josephscott | c'mon, next you are going to tell me you never stuck a fork in an outlet as a child |
| 20:54.57 | orsonj | no, but I stuck a christmas light (bulb) in a night light socket. |
| 20:55.06 | orsonj | Those things can fly |
| 20:56.23 | orsonj | (the small christmas lights) |
| 20:56.39 | orsonj | not the outdoor ones. |
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| 21:02.43 | DexterTheDragon | hehehehe capacitors |
| 21:03.10 | dataw0lf | hehe indeed |
| 21:10.53 | dataw0lf | one of our comm guys in my Army unit would make a bunch of them from disposable cameras then walk around nonchalantly then toss them to you and say "Catch!". I got caught by that a couple times |
| 21:12.00 | dataw0lf | wonder what the pins in my hand or knee would react to that |
| 21:12.04 | dataw0lf | how* |
| 21:12.27 | mgeary | pins? you get blown up, dataw0lf ? |
| 21:13.12 | dataw0lf | uggggggggghhhhhhh owwwwwwww |
| 21:13.45 | dataw0lf | nah I've broken my hand a couple times in ... um, a car door, yea. The last time I had to get two pins, then the idiot Army doctors left one in because it broke. |
| 21:14.12 | dataw0lf | knee pins were from breaking my legs |
| 21:15.44 | dataw0lf | yea, TSA is always fun. |
| 21:19.14 | mgeary | s/car door/fight/ |
| 21:19.25 | mgeary | ~hothead dataw0lf |
| 21:27.42 | dataw0lf | if 35 year old national guard guys wouldn't try to slam my head into concrete I wouldn't have to punch them so hard that I disintegrate two metacarpals. |
| 21:29.05 | dataw0lf | makes my hand hurt just thinking about it. |
| 21:29.12 | dataw0lf | mgeary: you should check out the new Pylons. |
| 21:29.35 | mgeary | i really should |
| 21:30.02 | dataw0lf | nom nom Jinja + SQLAlchemy nom nom nom |
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| 21:31.39 | mgeary | ~wiki Jinja |
| 21:31.53 | beandog | wow |
| 21:31.55 | mgeary | ah, well then |
| 21:32.17 | mgeary | speaking of Uganda, i saw Last King of Scotland last night |
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| 21:32.20 | dataw0lf | mgeary: AWESOME movie. |
| 21:32.35 | dataw0lf | and Jinja is very similar to the templating system Django uses, although slightly more powerful. |
| 21:32.36 | mgeary | yeah. hard, though |
| 21:32.48 | Dezertol | anyone out there play with DB_DataObject or ADOdb_Active_Record? |
| 21:33.18 | Dezertol | i'm playing around with extending the classes |
| 21:34.11 | Dezertol | and wonderd if it would be better to do something like.. $user = new User; then $user->CreateTicket(); or... |
| 21:34.46 | Dezertol | $ticket = new Ticket; and $ticket->CreateTicket($idUser); |
| 21:35.17 | mgeary | dataw0lf: Forrest W. is very good in that movie |
| 21:35.33 | dataw0lf | mgeary: yea, he's amazing. |
| 21:35.37 | Dezertol | seems like $user->CreateTicket() would be better |
| 21:35.39 | dataw0lf | he's a great actor. |
| 21:35.52 | dataw0lf | mgeary: ever seen Ghost Dog? |
| 21:36.02 | mgeary | i haven't |
| 21:36.31 | dataw0lf | it's pretty dang good. give it a shot. |
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| 21:38.48 | orsonj | has anyone here ever written a mathematical parser before? |
| 21:39.27 | beandog | echo 2+2 | wcalc |
| 21:39.37 | orsonj | Rather interesting to do, but quite a bit of brain power required. |
| 21:40.28 | jsmith | orsonj: I wrote one in college... it was a simple calculator (+, -, *, /, %, etc.) |
| 21:40.42 | jsmith | orsonj: It's really not that hard, if you have a queue and a stack :-) |
| 21:41.20 | orsonj | I have a couple different ones going at the moment, heading towards a fully useful one. |
| 21:41.44 | thebigdog | i have a hp calc i bought that does a great job |
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| 21:42.15 | orsonj | a simple one that does +-*/^ but no parens or functions and a simpler one that only does functions |
| 21:42.33 | orsonj | I have a hp calc too, I like it a lot, so I'm not going to hook it up to my webserver |
| 21:43.26 | orsonj | sub(20,add(add(mul(3,pow(4,2)),div(9,pow(3,2))),1)) <-- that is fairly easy to parse |
| 21:43.41 | orsonj | 20-3*4^2+9/3^2+1 <-- that isn't too bad |
| 21:44.04 | orsonj | (20-3)*4^(2+9)/3^sqrt(2)+1 <-- that sucks |
| 21:44.27 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: awesome |
| 21:44.35 | SunSparc | Totally! |
| 21:44.43 | beandog | hmm |
| 21:44.57 | beandog | -_- |
| 21:45.01 | dataw0lf | ew. |
| 21:45.04 | SunSparc | Ouch |
| 21:45.16 | beandog | they price stickers were on the top, I just figured it was widescreen |
| 21:45.23 | orsonj | at least it wasn't black bars widescreen |
| 21:45.25 | SunSparc | Full, wide, so confusing... ;) |
| 21:46.24 | orsonj | annoying to watch a widescreen with letterbox on all four sides |
| 21:46.36 | thebigdog | orsonj, you might be interested in using the gpu on nvidia chips that stuff looks killer cool for offloading computations |
| 21:46.45 | beandog | orsonj, yah |
| 21:47.05 | orsonj | I'll get there when I can afford a nvidia video card. |
| 21:47.51 | orsonj | s/video/supercomputer/ |
| 21:48.30 | beandog | mm, nvidia |
| 21:48.36 | beandog | I was playing with vdpau last night |
| 21:48.45 | beandog | getting about 10% cpu max on playback of 1080p video |
| 21:48.47 | beandog | :D |
| 21:48.51 | beandog | so freaking amazing. |
| 21:49.02 | beandog | most of them were 3% or less. |
| 21:49.39 | orsonj | so, is ripping of blueray viable yet? |
| 21:49.55 | beandog | dunno. I think so. |
| 21:50.04 | beandog | Its super smack easy in windows, I know that much. |
| 21:50.20 | orsonj | I so dislike the idea of having to shuffle disks for the rest of my life |
| 21:50.36 | beandog | just get a 500-disc blu-ray player |
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| 21:51.41 | orsonj | well, that limits you to 1 movie at a time. |
| 21:52.09 | supernovia | still talkin about netflix are we? |
| 21:52.41 | orsonj | what's that? ;) |
| 21:53.13 | supernovia | Sorry :) I jumped in just now and am taking a stab at figuring out the conversation :-p |
| 21:53.20 | orsonj | My computing power is currently limited to standard def anyway |
| 21:53.23 | supernovia | (and shortly before I left, netflix was somewhere on it) |
| 21:53.35 | supernovia | hehe (just me being a dork, sorry ;-)) |
| 21:54.11 | orsonj | let's see, we had tazers, math parsers and media centers |
| 21:54.48 | beandog | and star wars |
| 21:55.32 | supernovia | always star wars. |
| 21:55.43 | supernovia | I was wondering about motherhood and apple pie. |
| 21:57.10 | orsonj | skip the apple pie, bring on the chineese food |
| 21:57.17 | SunSparc | we could correlate motherhood and apple pie with Star Wars... |
| 21:57.19 | jsmith | Mmmmmmn.... apple pie |
| 21:57.24 | mgeary | ^^ awesome album |
| 21:57.25 | jsmith | There are only two kinds of pie I like.... |
| 21:57.35 | jsmith | ... pie with ice cream, and pie without ice cream |
| 21:57.36 | mgeary | squirrel and gopher? |
| 21:57.37 | SunSparc | mgeary: Never heard of Marillion |
| 21:57.55 | SunSparc | jsmith: It is good to have limits. |
| 21:58.01 | jsmith | mgeary: What, can't tell the difference between a gopher and a possum? |
| 21:58.10 | mgeary | ~possum jsmith |
| 21:58.19 | jsmith | ~pie mgeary |
| 21:58.20 | jbot | ACTION hits mgeary in the face with a cream pie |
| 21:59.11 | jsmith | supernovia: Is that enough talk about pie? |
| 21:59.46 | supernovia | You know it might be... |
| 22:00.00 | supernovia | I heard a phrase today that had me a bit confused |
| 22:00.03 | mgeary | SunSparc: great stuff, Marillion, though i only have the one album |
| 22:00.18 | SunSparc | mgeary: Trying them out on YouTube right now... |
| 22:00.20 | supernovia | something's like motherhood and applepie = "they're both useless!" |
| 22:00.44 | SunSparc | supernovia: obviously, whoever was saying it was confused. |
| 22:00.48 | supernovia | but I certainly have uses for apple pie. |
| 22:00.58 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:01.58 | SunSparc | mgeary: Not bad -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNqJKIPy1BU |
| 22:02.01 | supernovia | just had never heard that phrase before & wondered if I was missing something ;-) |
| 22:02.34 | mgeary | yeah, if you like old Genesis, you'd like Marillion |
| 22:03.24 | SunSparc | Mmmm, PIE -> http://picasaweb.google.com/shylonhunter/Thanksgiving#5274888948763522354 |
| 22:05.19 | mindjuju | i think a long time ago, it was used as somethinge verybody could agree was good |
| 22:05.30 | mindjuju | as good as motherhood or apple pie |
| 22:06.15 | jsmith | supernovia: I had some Japanese rice crackers to silence my grumbles... |
| 22:06.34 | supernovia | mmm |
| 22:07.10 | supernovia | yeah that's sortof what I thought mindjuju |
| 22:07.27 | supernovia | but figured I just didn't get the reference. |
| 22:07.52 | mindjuju | i googled it just now and found this reference |
| 22:07.52 | mindjuju | http://lesscode.org/2005/07/21/motherhood-and-apple-pie/ |
| 22:08.27 | supernovia | checkin it out |
| 22:08.31 | mindjuju | ...these principles had been around and were well known for many years before. ... |
| 22:10.56 | mindjuju | here is another reference to it |
| 22:10.57 | mindjuju | It's like undermining motherhood and apple pie |
| 22:11.19 | supernovia | hmm |
| 22:11.23 | mindjuju | from an article talking about walmart seizing private property so that it could build its store |
| 22:11.28 | mindjuju | prolly through eminent domain |
| 22:11.37 | mindjuju | referenced here - http://www.reason.com/news/show/33175.html |
| 22:11.53 | supernovia | well this was at the coates lecture today on hiring and they were saying referalls are like motherhood and apple pie |
| 22:11.57 | mindjuju | so, i'm going to argue that it does mean " all that is good in the world" |
| 22:12.05 | supernovia | maybe in that no ones going to say anything bad about their friend? dunno. |
| 22:12.14 | supernovia | but the way it came out had me a bit confused. |
| 22:12.17 | mindjuju | ohh |
| 22:12.31 | mindjuju | yeah, then that refers back to the first reference as the basic principles |
| 22:12.47 | mindjuju | ie, referrals are the best forms of lead |
| 22:12.54 | mindjuju | which is what we preach here too |
| 22:13.12 | mindjuju | referrals beat newspaper ads, internet banners, etc |
| 22:13.20 | mindjuju | have the highest rate of conversion, etc |
| 22:13.28 | supernovia | yeah I'd agree w. that |
| 22:14.23 | SunSparc | ie, network marketing |
| 22:15.17 | supernovia | yeah hmm, he said referals on a resume are worthless like motherhood and apple pie and never to use them. anyway. I'm glad to confirm what the phrase is -supposed- to mean at least so I know I'm not nuts :-) |
| 22:15.53 | SunSparc | Apple Pie with nuts is good though... |
| 22:15.57 | supernovia | indeed. |
| 22:16.07 | supernovia | apple pie is just good in general |
| 22:16.07 | itimber | huh |
| 22:16.22 | itimber | ~apple-pie++ |
| 22:16.26 | SunSparc | Hi, itimber |
| 22:16.33 | itimber | hello SunSparc |
| 22:16.44 | itimber | what you up to? |
| 22:16.46 | SunSparc | Want some mode on your apple pie? |
| 22:17.05 | itimber | I'll take some ice cream |
| 22:17.09 | itimber | vanilla bean |
| 22:17.11 | SunSparc | Just doing some organization maintenance. |
| 22:17.11 | itimber | hmmm |
| 22:17.12 | supernovia | neat trick = slice up an apple, put it over ritz crackers with cinnamon + then microwave |
| 22:17.18 | supernovia | and then add icecream ;) |
| 22:17.24 | itimber | huh |
| 22:17.27 | SunSparc | supernovia: Whoa! |
| 22:17.31 | itimber | crazy |
| 22:17.38 | SunSparc | How did you come up with that? |
| 22:17.42 | itimber | no doubt |
| 22:17.43 | supernovia | You don't want to iknow |
| 22:17.45 | SunSparc | Using what was on hand? |
| 22:17.46 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:18.01 | SunSparc | Creative baking, I love it. |
| 22:18.03 | supernovia | (eating leftover apples the kids had on their plates when they were little) (gross huh) |
| 22:18.21 | SunSparc | Nah, only if they had gnawed them to mush. |
| 22:18.26 | itimber | let's take good apple pie, then add a bunch of crap, zap it, and then ingest it!!! |
| 22:18.39 | SunSparc | heh |
| 22:19.22 | itimber | jk sheesh |
| 22:19.24 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:19.55 | supernovia | these apples on their plates were mushy because they'd been on their plates a while, so I microwaved them to make it seem like they were -supposed- to be mushy |
| 22:20.26 | itimber | so, how do the ritz come in to play?!? |
| 22:20.27 | supernovia | and then ate it with a cracker. also from their plates :-p |
| 22:20.36 | itimber | :) |
| 22:20.55 | supernovia | and then it actually tasted really good, so I did it again a few days later, this time with fresh apples, cinnamon, and a smidge of icecream |
| 22:21.04 | mindjuju | anybody want to suggest how oen might add kernel parameters to an install disc? |
| 22:21.25 | supernovia | we were dirt poor or I probably wouldn't have tried it, but I'm glad I did :-) |
| 22:21.42 | mindjuju | utahcon, its still an iso,but i could threaten the laptop |
| 22:22.19 | utahcon | what kernel params are you trying to implement? |
| 22:22.26 | utahcon | can you do it from the grub loader? |
| 22:22.34 | mindjuju | To place a Kickstart file on a CD, you would need to remaster the ISO image to include your Kickstart file, and add ks=cdrom:/path/to/ks.cfg to the kernel boot parameters. |
| 22:22.48 | mindjuju | it also says this |
| 22:22.56 | mindjuju | See the manual page for mkisofs for details. Alternatively, put the Kickstart file on a floppy, and add ks=floppy:/path/to/ks.cfg to the kernel boot parameters. |
| 22:22.59 | mindjuju | which i found here |
| 22:23.06 | mindjuju | http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/mkisofs8.html |
| 22:23.27 | mindjuju | which is like 10 billion pages long and not a one of them answers the question of how to FREAKIN add params |
| 22:26.27 | thebigdog | Where are you reading about using kickstart from? |
| 22:27.10 | beandog | mindjuju, what kind of parameter |
| 22:27.11 | SunSparc | mgeary: So far, I am really liking the Marillion station on Pandora. |
| 22:27.20 | mindjuju | from here |
| 22:27.20 | mindjuju | https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html |
| 22:27.25 | mgeary | SunSparc: nice |
| 22:27.32 | SunSparc | mgeary: Thanks for the tip. |
| 22:27.34 | mindjuju | beandog, param to tell it to use kickstart |
| 22:27.36 | mgeary | it's good stuff, but i haven't tried them on Pandora |
| 22:27.39 | mgeary | yw |
| 22:27.46 | beandog | whats kickstart |
| 22:27.54 | mgeary | this |
| 22:27.57 | mgeary | ~kick beandog |
| 22:27.58 | jbot | ACTION kicks beandog |
| 22:28.03 | mgeary | now get started |
| 22:28.06 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:28.10 | mindjuju | beandog - To place a Kickstart file on a CD, you would need to remaster the ISO image to include your Kickstart file, and add ks=cdrom:/path/to/ks.cfg to the kernel boot parameters. |
| 22:28.19 | supernovia | lol |
| 22:29.03 | jsmith | beandog: That's OK... that's what the restof us are here for -- to pound it into you :-) |
| 22:29.07 | beandog | heh |
| 22:29.17 | jsmith | In a kind and caring way, of course... |
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| 22:30.49 | thebigdog | mindjuju, when you create your installer cd make sure you have the ks.cfg file on there |
| 22:31.05 | thebigdog | but when you configure the installer you need to tell it where it will be on the cdrom |
| 22:31.18 | mindjuju | fair enough |
| 22:31.23 | mindjuju | how do i config the installer |
| 22:31.36 | thebigdog | you need a linux system |
| 22:31.41 | mindjuju | well, actually, i already built the kcickstart config |
| 22:31.49 | thebigdog | and then you need to use system-config-kickstart |
| 22:31.50 | mindjuju | i just need to tell the kernel to use it |
| 22:31.58 | mindjuju | yeah, have already done that part |
| 22:32.00 | mindjuju | have the file |
| 22:32.06 | thebigdog | k |
| 22:32.11 | mindjuju | i need to somehow tell the kernel to use it |
| 22:32.21 | mgeary | beandog: all that work you do on/with mplayer and you don't know anything about Linux...? |
| 22:32.28 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i would do this |
| 22:32.34 | thebigdog | have the installer disk |
| 22:32.37 | mindjuju | get a new server? |
| 22:32.40 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:32.41 | mindjuju | yeah, i've thought that too |
| 22:32.45 | thebigdog | get a monitor |
| 22:32.47 | mindjuju | 2 whole days wasted tryign to do this |
| 22:32.47 | beandog | m-what? |
| 22:32.57 | mindjuju | thebigdog, there is no pci slot |
| 22:33.04 | mindjuju | i opened and checked |
| 22:33.27 | mindjuju | it says there is, but unless it is invisible, it ain't there |
| 22:35.10 | fungus | mindjuju: did you give up on the serial console? |
| 22:35.34 | mindjuju | don't have the hardware for it |
| 22:35.46 | mindjuju | that connector thing |
| 22:35.46 | fungus | ahh, yes you need an adapter. |
| 22:36.07 | fungus | They are dirt cheap. |
| 22:36.30 | fungus | I think I have a bunch of them at home. |
| 22:36.40 | mindjuju | @thebigdog - http://screencast.com/t/CEivPqeY6S4 |
| 22:36.54 | mindjuju | fungus, why does it tease you into thinking there is a pci slot, but there isn't one? |
| 22:37.05 | fungus | Not positive, but a standard Cisco console cable might work. |
| 22:37.15 | thebigdog | that is a crappy picture |
| 22:37.22 | fungus | The PCI bus is just internal |
| 22:37.23 | mindjuju | thx a heap, it's from a web cam |
| 22:38.17 | fungus | It has a PCI bus, but no free slots, no slots at all |
| 22:38.27 | mindjuju | well, i guess i could go shop around for a serial to eth adapter thingy |
| 22:38.45 | thebigdog | that is what i say |
| 22:39.06 | thebigdog | then after you get that you get to learn openprom...that is really fun too |
| 22:39.13 | mindjuju | is telling the kernel params really that hard though? |
| 22:39.29 | fungus | no, it's easy. |
| 22:39.35 | mindjuju | i mean, i download that thing, and setup the ks and have the iso |
| 22:39.43 | mindjuju | is the instructions on that one page i posted? |
| 22:39.48 | mindjuju | http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/mkisofs8.html |
| 22:39.54 | mindjuju | am i just being blind to it? |
| 22:39.58 | fungus | remastering the ISO file is the only strange part |
| 22:40.24 | mindjuju | this is why i hit the page |
| 22:40.25 | mindjuju | To place a Kickstart file on a CD, you would need to remaster the ISO image to include your Kickstart file, and add ks=cdrom:/path/to/ks.cfg to the kernel boot parameters. See the manual page for mkisofs for details. Alternatively, put the Kickstart file on a floppy, and add ks=floppy:/path/to/ks.cfg to the kernel boot parameters. |
| 22:41.01 | mindjuju | k, i understand that, include file on CD, prolly the root of the CD and then tell the params to execute |
| 22:41.02 | fungus | If you had a serial console you could type in the kernel params at the boot: prompt |
| 22:41.23 | mindjuju | on winders, i'd guess it's be with the autoplay portion to run when the CD is installed |
| 22:41.28 | mindjuju | so this is the linux way of things |
| 22:41.31 | fungus | otherwise you add them to the default boot option, add a timeout, and rebuild the ISO |
| 22:42.06 | fungus | http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/07/31/how-to-create-custom-linux-iso-image/ |
| 22:42.15 | fungus | That might work |
| 22:42.33 | fungus | it's got at least the details to make the ISO after you've modified it |
| 22:45.34 | thebigdog | this might help too - http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/10/28/fun-chuck-norris-vs-linus-torvalds/ |
| 22:45.48 | _psychic_ | lol http://imacshuffle.com/ |
| 22:46.39 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:49.12 | beandog | _psychic_, LOL that is awesome |
| 22:49.14 | beandog | reminds me of GNOME. |
| 22:49.29 | _psychic_ | yeah I thought it was pretty well done |
| 22:50.05 | beandog | make sure that there was nothing to distract you from the Apple logo |
| 22:51.49 | beandog | http://mytsoftware.com/misc/linux2.jpg |
| 22:51.53 | beandog | nothing beats that one |
| 22:52.04 | beandog | cracks me up every time :D |
| 22:52.15 | SunSparc | beandog: heh, yeah, that one rocks. |
| 22:52.21 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 22:58.40 | supernovia | lols. rather. I wonder what the proper spelling would be.. |
| 22:59.07 | mindjuju | tronman gives me the creeps |
| 22:59.56 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: its lolz |
| 23:00.03 | supernovia | Thanks. lolz :-p |
| 23:00.36 | supernovia | and yes I do blame DST. |
| 23:01.14 | mgeary | seriously. that single hour makes mornings 10x harder |
| 23:01.35 | supernovia | agreed. |
| 23:01.54 | supernovia | and it catches up with me and the kids several days in |
| 23:02.22 | supernovia | or the kids and I. Goodness. |
| 23:03.50 | mgeary | no |
| 23:03.55 | mgeary | you were right the first time |
| 23:04.01 | mgeary | it's the object of a preposition |
| 23:04.09 | mgeary | takes the dative case |
| 23:04.16 | mgeary | not nominative |
| 23:05.22 | supernovia | that's right, WITH |
| 23:05.27 | mgeary | yep |
| 23:05.29 | supernovia | I need an English class. |
| 23:05.56 | supernovia | I need lots of classes {:-| |
| 23:06.32 | supernovia | do they have that at the Y? :-p |
| 23:06.39 | unum | but she still should have said the kids and me |
| 23:06.55 | supernovia | right, the kids and I have problem with DST |
| 23:07.04 | unum | that works |
| 23:07.05 | supernovia | because that hour catches up with the kids and me soon. |
| 23:07.29 | supernovia | (or us :-p) |
| 23:08.26 | mgeary | unum: well, that's not as important. That's a style matter, not a grammatical rule. |
| 23:08.57 | mgeary | it does make your language more polished, imo, but you're not being grammatically incorrect, because your using the correct case |
| 23:09.21 | unum | there was great grammer site I found once |
| 23:09.55 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:10.00 | mgeary | for example, "I and you should go to the store" sounds dorky and should be avoided, but it's not grammatically incorrect |
| 23:10.36 | mgeary | style versus grammer, i suppose |
| 23:10.39 | mgeary | i'll shut up now |
| 23:10.56 | SunSparc | Laterz! |
| 23:11.14 | supernovia | russian is so much easier. you can say words in any old order and as long as they're conjugated properly, it doesn't really matter. |
| 23:11.23 | beandog | supernovia, really? |
| 23:11.25 | beandog | that sounds way cool. |
| 23:11.36 | supernovia | it's neat. the conjugations can be a bit tricky |
| 23:11.40 | mgeary | yeah, that's how german is too |
| 23:11.45 | mgeary | but Russian's got more cases than german |
| 23:11.48 | supernovia | and I'm not an expert speaker or anything, but I know it works that way |
| 23:11.52 | beandog | I'd love to learn German |
| 23:11.53 | unum | http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html#errors |
| 23:12.24 | supernovia | tarnation. |
| 23:22.29 | Dezertol | mirical spider -> http://www.mantecabulletin.com/news/article/2117/ |
| 23:25.53 | supernovia | interesting .. He said he was riding on Third Street when a woman motorist made a left turn in front of him." |
| 23:28.02 | mgeary | not just any motorist |
| 23:28.08 | mgeary | one of those woman motorists |
| 23:28.31 | supernovia | heh |
| 23:31.13 | supernovia | so do you think the miracle was the spider bite or do you think it could have been something else? |
| 23:35.05 | supernovia | like maybe his legs had started to heal sometime before and they incidentally found it when he went to the hospital for the bite.. |
| 23:41.19 | macnewbold | sounds like the accident was 20 years earlier, left him paraplegic, then it was only after the spider bite that they found the nerves were alive |
| 23:41.54 | macnewbold | they're obviously drawing a correlation between the change and the spider bite, but who knows whether one of them was causal. |
| 23:42.30 | supernovia | yeah |
| 23:43.11 | supernovia | I have to wonder if the technology they used to test his nerves was just .. more powerful this time around |
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| 23:49.43 | mindjuju | fungus, i had to dig in the back but found a serial -> eth connector, i'm going to try this way |
| 23:49.55 | mindjuju | the good news is that I rebooted it and LOM came up |
| 23:50.03 | fungus | woot |
