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| 02:30.42 | Utah_Dave | ping herlo |
| 02:31.10 | herlo | Utah_Dave: pong |
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| 09:35.08 | itimber | mgeary: eat your heart out |
| 09:35.16 | itimber | oh, right....he's not awake yet |
| 09:35.20 | itimber | :-) |
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| 14:30.27 | jsmith | ~stab mindjuju's good eye |
| 14:30.28 | jbot | ACTION runs at mindjuju's good eye with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 14:30.58 | mindjuju | sup jsmith |
| 14:31.13 | mindjuju | did you see that article i posted for ya last week about google voice? |
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| 14:31.25 | jsmith | mindjuju: I did indeed.... |
| 14:31.33 | jsmith | mindjuju: Just waiting for my account to get upgraded |
| 14:31.40 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
| 14:32.19 | itimber | morning guys |
| 14:32.27 | PoeticIntensity | morning. |
| 14:32.31 | PoeticIntensity | ~yawn |
| 14:32.32 | jbot | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 14:32.33 | mindjuju | sup |
| 14:32.54 | PoeticIntensity | ~monday |
| 14:32.55 | jbot | from memory, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
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| 14:40.18 | Utah_Dave | jsmith: I think you just have to log into Grandcentral.com and click upgrade to upgrade to google voice |
| 14:40.38 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Mine says "Your account is not yet ready to upgrade." |
| 14:40.52 | Utah_Dave | really? that's weird |
| 14:41.07 | jsmith | Yeah... apparently they're upgrading them a few at a time |
| 14:41.09 | mindjuju | maybe Utah_Dave is weird |
| 14:41.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 14:41.23 | _carmony | goof morning |
| 14:41.25 | _carmony | good* |
| 14:41.27 | Utah_Dave | probably! |
| 14:41.47 | jsmith | "Your account is not yet ready to be upgraded. Please check back shortly. " |
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| 15:55.42 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart carmony |
| 15:55.42 | jbot | beats carmony into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 15:55.57 | _carmony | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 15:55.57 | jbot | smacks DexterTheDragon up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
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| 16:01.07 | brasto | wpa connection logs give this error when I try to connect with my laptop: MIC failure from [laptopMAC] on radio #1 at SonicPoint 20d6ac. |
| 16:01.11 | brasto | any ideas? |
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| 16:02.09 | brasto | also, for freebsd gurus, do scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ get run on startup? |
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| 16:06.11 | brasto | I think they do, but I just want to verify. |
| 16:06.29 | utahcon | herlo: Did I see there is a site for updates on the upcoming UTOSC? |
| 16:06.43 | herlo | utahcon: what do you mean? |
| 16:06.59 | herlo | utahcon: 2009.utosc.com is up, but it currently shows 2008 stuff. I'm working on the new design and stuffs right now... |
| 16:07.06 | utahcon | Oh... ok. |
| 16:07.16 | utahcon | You planning for August again? |
| 16:14.35 | fungus | brasto: yes |
| 16:14.43 | fungus | They do run on startup |
| 16:15.14 | fungus | However most of them check for an rc.conf variable to indicate whether they should run or not. |
| 16:16.14 | fungus | reading the first few lines of the startup script will tell you which rc.conf variable you may need to add. |
| 16:17.32 | brasto | fungus: /usr/local/etc/rc.conf? |
| 16:17.38 | fungus | /etc/rc.conf |
| 16:17.49 | brasto | k, checking |
| 16:19.31 | brasto | ok, so mysql_enable and mysql_server_enable tell freebsd to load the mysql-server script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ right fungus? |
| 16:19.44 | brasto | those being directives in rc.conf |
| 16:19.52 | brasto | and both set to yes |
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| 16:20.19 | fungus | read the first few lines of the startup script to find the proper variable name it is looking for. |
| 16:20.36 | fungus | Then add the variable to /etc/rc.conf |
| 16:22.45 | fungus | Just to clear things up... |
| 16:22.58 | fungus | All scripts in /etc/rc.d and /usr/local/etc/rc.d always run at boot |
| 16:23.47 | fungus | Most scripts check to see if a specific variable is set "mysql_enable" for example. If it's not set the script does nothing and just exits. |
| 16:25.21 | fungus | head -n 20 /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh |
| 16:26.55 | brasto | cool, thanks fungus, that makes sense. |
| 16:28.04 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Woot! |
| 16:29.44 | brasto | it looks like the mysql_server_enable does nothing then since it isn't even called for, and the mysql_enable is properly set to yes. |
| 16:33.43 | herlo | utahcon: probably October actually |
| 16:34.07 | herlo | why? |
| 16:34.15 | utahcon | So far away. |
| 16:34.16 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:34.20 | herlo | oh, okay |
| 16:34.26 | utahcon | It was a lot of fun last year. |
| 16:34.35 | herlo | thing is, we're late in the game getting going so we need more time to ramp up |
| 16:34.51 | utahcon | it's all good. |
| 16:34.57 | utahcon | I will attend whenever it gets done. |
| 16:39.07 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you awake? |
| 16:39.45 | mindjuju | yeah, but running a quick report |
| 16:39.47 | mindjuju | what you got |
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| 17:42.04 | herlo | Utah_Dave: ping, db question |
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| 17:52.33 | SunSparc | brasto: Nice, give that XP machine the boot! Unless you play any Steam games... |
| 17:52.55 | brasto | hmmm... |
| 17:53.00 | brasto | ~steam games |
| 17:53.09 | brasto | ~steamgames |
| 17:53.13 | brasto | ~steam |
| 17:53.14 | jbot | [steam] http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=17 |
| 17:54.27 | eggyknap | mindjuju: Is there a URL or some such I can send UDBUG re: Thu (giving time, location, etc.)? |
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| 17:55.57 | brasto | eggyknap: is this for a uphpu meeting? |
| 17:57.06 | SunSparc | brasto: An example of Steam games are: TeamFortress and HalfLife |
| 17:57.34 | eggyknap | brasto: Yeah, mindjuju asked for a SQL presentation, and I'm only just getting around to mentioning it to UDBUG. |
| 17:58.29 | brasto | webcal://ugaf.org/calendar/calendars/UGAF.ics |
| 17:58.35 | brasto | that's the ical feed |
| 17:58.59 | brasto | the web url is uphpu.org/events |
| 17:59.01 | eggyknap | w00t... I guess I should have looked there... |
| 18:00.25 | brasto | SunSparc: I use my home XP machine for Elder Scrolls games, Harry Potter games (that one's for the kids... no, really), and a few others. The Steam games look fun though. I found them here: |
| 18:00.44 | brasto | http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 18:01.00 | brasto | jbot, steamgames is http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 18:01.00 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 18:01.06 | brasto | ~steamgames |
| 18:01.06 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, steamgames is http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 18:01.30 | brasto | hmmm, how do you get it just to print out a url like it does with ~steam? |
| 18:01.34 | brasto | ~steam |
| 18:01.34 | jbot | somebody said steam was http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=17 |
| 18:01.39 | brasto | oh |
| 18:02.05 | SunSparc | brasto: It changes randomly |
| 18:02.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:02.08 | brasto | well, I guess that's random then, to not include a blurb in front of whatever the factoid says. |
| 18:02.20 | brasto | as well as to randomly add a blurb |
| 18:03.00 | brasto | jbot steam is also , but that url is broken, so who knows what it really is. |
| 18:03.01 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 18:03.06 | brasto | ~steam |
| 18:03.07 | jbot | i heard steam is http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=17, or , but that url is broken, so who knows what it really is. |
| 18:04.01 | mindjuju | ah FREAKIN'! YEAH! |
| 18:04.02 | brasto | jbot, steam is also water after it reaches 100 degrees Celsius and transforms to vapor. |
| 18:04.03 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 18:04.08 | brasto | ~steam |
| 18:04.08 | jbot | [steam] http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=17, or , but that url is broken, so who knows what it really is. water after it reaches 100 degrees Celsius and transforms to vapor. |
| 18:04.23 | mindjuju | chili-DAWGS, crispy chips and an ice COLD IBC |
| 18:04.30 | brasto | jbot, capitalize the W in water |
| 18:06.18 | brasto | ~capitalize $1 is <action> turns $1 into a capital letter and sponsors $1 on Sesame Street as the letter of the day. |
| 18:06.19 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 18:06.26 | brasto | ~capitalize SunSparc |
| 18:06.27 | jbot | ACTION turns SunSparc into a capital letter and sponsors SunSparc on Sesame Street as the letter of the day. |
| 18:06.40 | brasto | lol |
| 18:06.53 | brasto | ok, maybe I should get back to something productive... |
| 18:07.02 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:34.51 | brasto | date +"%V" |
| 18:35.08 | brasto | I looked on man date, and didn't see what capital V does |
| 18:35.17 | brasto | that prints the number 12 to the terminal |
| 18:35.27 | brasto | The only thing that matches is the hour |
| 18:35.38 | brasto | is that supposed to print the hour? |
| 18:37.16 | DexterTheDragon | man date: %V ISO week number, with Monday as first day of week (01..53) |
| 18:39.28 | brasto | ok, cool, tx DexterTheDragon |
| 18:42.29 | brasto | one more step... I don't see what % 3 is doing in here: |
| 18:43.15 | brasto | doh |
| 18:43.57 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.23 | DexterTheDragon | runs modulus 3 on whatever date returns |
| 18:47.50 | brasto | ah, divides by 3 and returns the remainder then DexterTheDragon? |
| 18:49.45 | DexterTheDragon | thats my guess, not sure cause I can't get it to run |
| 18:50.17 | brasto | it's in a backup script I sent to the list, I just wanted to understand exactly what it was doing. |
| 18:51.20 | brasto | It backs up to /usr/local/var/backups/files/$((`date +"%V"` % 3))/ |
| 18:52.06 | DexterTheDragon | yeah it looks like it returns the remainder from the divide by 3, so i guess it keeps stuff in a 0,1, or 2 folder |
| 18:52.13 | brasto | what's odd though, is I would think with modulus 3 there could only be 3 resulting backup directories: {0,1,2}, but there are 4: {0,1,2,3} |
| 18:52.46 | brasto | maybe the script used to do modulus 4 and they changed it to 3 later... |
| 18:54.09 | brasto | I'm replacing that backup script, which uses rsync with one that uses rsnapshot, which fungus recommended on mail list |
| 18:57.11 | brasto | speaking of which, fungus, what happens if I set snapshot_root /usr/local/var/backups/files/$((`date +"%V"` % 3))/ ? Will it create a snapshot directory within the timestamp directory? Should I just set it to /usr/local/var/backups/files/ ? |
| 19:04.17 | fungus | brasto: snapshot root is the directory where the snapshots are placed, Use your snapshots to dateify the stuff. |
| 19:05.22 | brasto | does rsnapshot automatically put datified in the root then? |
| 19:06.52 | mindjuju | what's this for, the Adobe one? |
| 19:07.03 | mindjuju | grrr... wrong win |
| 19:15.03 | brasto | i see that it does in man rsnapshot |
| 19:34.12 | brasto | fungus: should I add all the original short args for rsync to rsnapshot, or does it take care of some of these as part of it's own features? They are aruvz for archive recursive update verbose and compress... |
| 19:35.21 | fungus | No |
| 19:35.29 | fungus | let rsnapshot handle everything |
| 19:36.57 | fungus | FYI, a = rlptgoD so adding r in there is redundant. Also -u is not useful either, defaults work better. |
| 19:37.19 | mindjuju | anybody know why ubuntu 8.10 doesn't have a SPARC version? |
| 19:37.23 | fungus | And don't use -z on a LAN, it makes performance worse |
| 19:37.30 | mindjuju | http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ |
| 19:37.51 | mindjuju | the latest distro that has it is like u7 |
| 19:38.20 | fungus | did Ubuntu discontinue Sparc support? bummer. |
| 19:38.29 | mindjuju | is that what it is?? |
| 19:38.32 | brasto | fungus, i was thinking z on local would also make performance worse.... what's the point of compressing a connection locally? |
| 19:39.15 | fungus | -z on a LAN is bad because you spend more time in the CPU compressing rather than just transferring. |
| 19:39.24 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2275 |
| 19:39.25 | fungus | -z on a WAN is useful though. |
| 19:39.29 | brasto | that makes sense |
| 19:40.39 | mindjuju | so DexterTheDragon & fungus, does that mean I can patch all the way in ubuntu 7, but it'll be stuck in 7.10? |
| 19:44.03 | DexterTheDragon | kinda looks that way |
| 19:44.35 | fungus | Yeah, it does. |
| 19:45.22 | fungus | hrm, maybe not |
| 19:45.25 | fungus | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/hardy/release/ |
| 19:45.51 | mindjuju | way cool fungus! |
| 19:46.17 | fungus | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/intrepid/release/ |
| 19:46.28 | DexterTheDragon | guess i386 and amd64 is just the desktop then |
| 19:46.30 | fungus | cool, PS3 install CD. |
| 19:46.59 | fungus | No, these other builds are just not supported, they are classified as "ports" |
| 19:47.45 | DexterTheDragon | ah |
| 19:50.48 | mindjuju | k, so i got a weird question |
| 19:51.09 | herlo | f <-- the answer |
| 19:51.25 | herlo | 42 <-- another try? |
| 19:51.29 | mindjuju | i need to install this on a headless box, have googled "how install ubuntu headless" |
| 19:51.37 | mindjuju | but not really gettting any where |
| 19:51.46 | herlo | mindjuju: consider kickseed |
| 19:51.53 | fungus | try install ubuntu serial console |
| 19:52.11 | herlo | it's kickstart (from fedora/red hat) for Ubuntu |
| 19:52.29 | herlo | fungus: ugh! I hate serial installs, they're so unreliable. VNC is better... |
| 19:52.56 | fungus | VNC install? sounds interesting. |
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| 19:54.06 | herlo | fungus: yeah, Fedora/Red Hat can do it, I wonder if Ubuntu can |
| 19:54.15 | herlo | apparently so can OpenSUSE |
| 19:54.38 | mindjuju | here is what i'm reading on kickstart + ubuntu |
| 19:54.38 | mindjuju | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility |
| 19:56.23 | herlo | mindjuju: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/14/automated-ubuntu-installation-preview/ |
| 19:56.28 | fungus | mindjuju: that page is woefully incomplete. Kickstart will require either a custom CD or a network boot |
| 19:57.31 | herlo | fungus: it could use a usb boot as well |
| 19:57.36 | herlo | assuming the machine can boot usb |
| 19:57.54 | herlo | fungus: boot: linux vnc vncpassword=Th1s1s4p4ssw0rd <-- all fedora requires to install over vnc |
| 19:57.54 | fungus | If he's talking the SunFire box, probably not |
| 19:58.16 | mindjuju | it is the sunfire box |
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| 20:00.16 | fungus | https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/sparc/ |
| 20:00.27 | herlo | set up cobbler... |
| 20:00.29 | fungus | That guide has a lot of the Sun stuff in there |
| 20:00.47 | mindjuju | so, i'm just reading about install ubuntu serial, how can i check what config the bios has, if there is no monitor to check? |
| 20:01.24 | mindjuju | i feel like i'm trying to compute "with the blast shield is down" |
| 20:01.58 | beandog | whats that one HTML tag thingie where you hover over it and it gives information |
| 20:02.00 | beandog | actually, its CSS |
| 20:02.03 | beandog | and Im not talking about alt / title |
| 20:02.30 | mindjuju | .something:hover ? |
| 20:02.35 | beandog | no |
| 20:02.43 | beandog | it like chagnes the cursor to a question mark |
| 20:02.46 | beandog | oh, wait |
| 20:03.02 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:03.09 | fungus | mindjuju: there is no BIOS, there is OpenFirmware |
| 20:03.17 | mindjuju | .something:hover {cursor:hand} |
| 20:03.18 | fungus | And it is very different |
| 20:03.52 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: there's the <abbr> tag |
| 20:04.27 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, ah, I think thats it |
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| 20:16.34 | brasto | fungus, so now that I've finished going through the rsnapshot config, I just add this to crontab for it to work: 0 * * * * rsnapshot |
| 20:16.36 | brasto | right? |
| 20:17.22 | brasto | the first minute of every hour, every day of month, every month, every day of week. |
| 20:22.49 | fungus | If you just want hourly snapshots, sure. |
| 20:23.32 | fungus | You can customize that further. |
| 20:23.59 | fungus | your "interval" statements in the config configure how many of each interval you keep. |
| 20:24.23 | fungus | the example I personally use: |
| 20:24.32 | fungus | intervaldaily7 |
| 20:24.32 | fungus | intervalweekly4 |
| 20:24.41 | fungus | 0 1 * * * /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot daily |
| 20:24.41 | fungus | 0 0 * * 0 /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot weekly |
| 20:26.43 | brasto | cool, I see that in the man page now, too. |
| 20:26.52 | brasto | tx again fungus |
| 20:34.21 | supernovia | anyone going to the W |
| 20:34.29 | supernovia | d'oh. Anyone going to the WP meetup this week? |
| 20:34.31 | mindjuju | w ? |
| 20:34.37 | supernovia | Yeah, its this hip new joint. |
| 20:34.52 | supernovia | or new hip joint. whatevah |
| 20:35.08 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:35.41 | DexterTheDragon | bloody dst |
| 20:35.47 | supernovia | you said it man. |
| 20:36.43 | supernovia | and the sql meeting sounds fun too. Hoping I will be over the funk. |
| 20:41.55 | jsmith | supernovia: You got the crud going around too, eh? |
| 20:43.10 | supernovia | yeah, definitely got something :-( |
| 20:43.36 | supernovia | I've been sick on my stomach. thought it was my meds but this morning I didn't take them and was still sick. Good times. |
| 20:44.15 | supernovia | are you deftly avoiding it there I hope? |
| 20:44.45 | supernovia | and then I got some kind of fever too, but that broke about an hour ago. hopefully on the mend |
| 20:45.24 | mindjuju | fever, like disco fever/ |
| 20:45.25 | mindjuju | ? |
| 20:45.55 | jsmith | supernovia: yikes... I've had a fever all weekend (and today), plus I puked on Saturday... other than that, it's just been a sinus thing :-/ |
| 20:46.17 | mindjuju | so, jsmith had a saturday night fever |
| 20:46.18 | supernovia | yuck :-( |
| 20:46.19 | mindjuju | curious |
| 20:46.34 | utahcon | I don't understand spam without links... wtf |
| 20:46.47 | jsmith | mindjuju: yeah, something like that... |
| 20:46.49 | supernovia | mindjuju, my fever dream led me to believe the carpet installers downstairs had put in something white with purple and yellow chevrons all over it. That could have been good for a disco |
| 20:47.05 | mindjuju | that'd have been awesome! |
| 20:47.15 | mindjuju | utahcon, spam with no links? |
| 20:47.15 | supernovia | and I must admit I really -have- always wanted a disco ball in my office |
| 20:47.17 | jsmith | Scary... I dreamed I was trying to get goats down out of a tree... |
| 20:47.38 | jsmith | ... and they had climbed up to the tops of the trees to eat the leaves |
| 20:47.43 | utahcon | mindjuju: all over my forums, email, IMs |
| 20:47.44 | supernovia | awesome :-D |
| 20:48.03 | supernovia | spam fail eh |
| 20:48.49 | supernovia | I've been getting a fair ammount of wordpress spam lately :-( where real people are using the form and really commenting on the article, but using a stupid name like 'visit' and linking to their site |
| 20:48.53 | mindjuju | i saw a nice anti-captcha, anti-spam question that didn't require a ton of ictures of kittens |
| 20:49.29 | mindjuju | it was a simple question asking which looked proper, and it was asking you to pick out a valid date |
| 20:49.31 | mindjuju | twas cool |
| 20:49.40 | supernovia | cool :) |
| 20:49.42 | mindjuju | i hate captchas |
| 20:49.54 | supernovia | I don't like them. Wouldn't say hate is where I'm at |
| 20:50.05 | mindjuju | i'm going to be in trouble when they go to 3-d hologram things |
| 20:50.13 | supernovia | but they're getting harder and harder to read |
| 20:50.14 | supernovia | oh? |
| 20:50.24 | mindjuju | where you supposedly had to "focus your eyes just past the picture" |
| 20:50.27 | mindjuju | never worked for me |
| 20:50.35 | supernovia | Oh,what do they call those ... sterograms |
| 20:50.36 | supernovia | ? |
| 20:50.40 | mindjuju | yeah, that's it |
| 20:50.48 | supernovia | stereographs maybe? dunno. I do OK with those. |
| 20:50.53 | mindjuju | stero-Emperor's New Clothes-gram |
| 20:51.03 | mindjuju | people pretended to see what the description said should be there |
| 20:51.06 | supernovia | in fact... I learned when I was a kid that's a quick way to solve hocus focus puzzles |
| 20:51.08 | mindjuju | i just never fail for it |
| 20:51.42 | supernovia | so if you wink one eye and then the other while looking at an object about that far away, does it move left and right for you? |
| 20:51.56 | mindjuju | yeah, see that's exactly it |
| 20:52.14 | supernovia | not much movement? |
| 20:52.27 | mindjuju | i think it was all made up |
| 20:52.37 | supernovia | hee hee |
| 20:52.58 | mindjuju | take this for example |
| 20:52.58 | mindjuju | http://www.eyetricks.com/stereograms/OPP_stereogram.jpg |
| 20:53.15 | supernovia | that one sucks. |
| 20:53.23 | supernovia | pattern repeats too obviously so it's hard to see. |
| 20:53.57 | mindjuju | http://www.eyetricks.com/stereograms/portfolio.htm |
| 20:54.00 | supernovia | I can see something popping up there, maybe an 0? but the pattern is too darn noisy |
| 20:54.06 | mindjuju | there are supposedly something there |
| 20:54.30 | supernovia | yeah, -something- is there |
| 20:54.35 | DexterTheDragon | that first one is like an o over a q and p |
| 20:54.55 | mindjuju | k, i see the logo 5x at the top of the pic in Sample 4 |
| 20:54.55 | mindjuju | so i guess that one worked |
| 20:54.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:54.59 | Dezertol | lol I was going to say twigg and berries |
| 20:55.07 | Dezertol | or a clover |
| 20:55.28 | supernovia | https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/OrangeandBlueObserver/archive/vol11/issue6/hocus.jpg |
| 20:55.31 | DexterTheDragon | sample 4 has that logo in the center |
| 20:55.40 | supernovia | you turn your head sideways and cross your eyes a little - all differences will jump out |
| 20:55.41 | mindjuju | "sure it does" |
| 20:55.58 | jsmith | mindjuju: Way to go... now my eyes won't focus correctly |
| 20:56.12 | mindjuju | jsmith, it's a trick don't do it |
| 20:56.35 | mindjuju | like shapes in the clouds, its all relative |
| 20:56.44 | supernovia | try it with the hocus focus mindjuju |
| 20:57.11 | supernovia | mmmmmm nerds candy |
| 20:57.30 | supernovia | although i likely couldn't hold them down anyway |
| 20:57.37 | DexterTheDragon | #1 has like a twinky shaped thing in it |
| 20:57.50 | mindjuju | pish |
| 20:57.50 | DexterTheDragon | :) |
| 20:58.00 | mindjuju | i think i'm going to put this on facebook as a scam! |
| 20:58.12 | supernovia | pish? :-p |
| 20:58.47 | mindjuju | pish = exactly half of the skepticism required for a pish-posh response |
| 20:58.50 | DexterTheDragon | facebook is a scam |
| 20:59.32 | mindjuju | facebook rox |
| 21:00.15 | supernovia | and upon thinking of his real name, breaks out into Lori Berkner |
| 21:00.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:00.50 | mindjuju | i was just looking for that CD the other day |
| 21:00.56 | supernovia | I've got it here |
| 21:00.59 | supernovia | my daughter loves LB |
| 21:01.03 | mindjuju | hey, if you find my profile, you can see the pic of Corban @ the quarry |
| 21:01.08 | mindjuju | he did well on Friday |
| 21:01.40 | supernovia | I'm lookin.. |
| 21:02.27 | supernovia | sent a friend reqest - glad he liked the Quarry! |
| 21:03.34 | mindjuju | k |
| 21:03.35 | supernovia | it took everything in me not to spell that query |
| 21:04.47 | mindjuju | reminds me of my wife making fun of me for saying crowns for crayons |
| 21:05.00 | mindjuju | well, actually, i say it a pinch different, but mostly sounds the same |
| 21:05.44 | supernovia | do you say crowns? |
| 21:05.54 | supernovia | there's a strongbad about that.. |
| 21:06.11 | mindjuju | never got into strongbad, but yeah, it sounds like crowns |
| 21:06.28 | jsmith | Strongbad! |
| 21:06.50 | supernovia | have you seen the one where he's coloring? politically correct crayon colors or something? that ones pretty sweet. |
| 21:07.03 | mindjuju | haven't |
| 21:07.08 | supernovia | it's lovely |
| 21:07.10 | supernovia | I could find it for you |
| 21:07.18 | mindjuju | i think mostly, i've seen like a 1/3 of one |
| 21:07.41 | supernovia | ah. Well hang tight a few (fixing someone's css) nad I"ll grab it |
| 21:07.51 | mindjuju | k |
| 21:10.02 | supernovia | k. she's fixed. checking homestarrunner.com |
| 21:10.52 | supernovia | http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail160.html |
| 21:10.58 | supernovia | there it is :-) |
| 21:12.23 | supernovia | the best part though is the end when he's talking to marzipan. |
| 21:15.25 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 21:15.34 | mindjuju | and i do say it like the kid does |
| 21:17.49 | beandog | sewiously. |
| 21:18.01 | mindjuju | srsly |
| 21:18.54 | supernovia | heheh |
| 21:26.15 | beandog | supernovia, that is awesome |
| 21:26.28 | supernovia | heh, thanks beandog. I do like that one :-) |
| 21:26.50 | supernovia | so mindjuju I'm seeing the wall but not the kid on FB |
| 21:28.29 | supernovia | did he climb all that? |
| 21:28.51 | brasto | if I want to copy a user crontab from one machine to another, what's the best way to do it? |
| 21:29.18 | brasto | got a comment on that one herlo? |
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| 21:34.23 | mindjuju | supernovia - that one pic of the rock wall with the blue grips, if you look at the top, he's up there |
| 21:34.55 | supernovia | oh really? (blinking fuzzified contacts) |
| 21:35.15 | brasto | sudo crontab -u [user] -l > crontabdump; scp crontabdump example.com: |
| 21:35.25 | supernovia | Oh look, there he is :-D |
| 21:35.30 | brasto | that gets the info over without writing the crontab... |
| 21:35.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:36.19 | supernovia | glad he had fun:-D |
| 21:36.42 | supernovia | w00t . kids are home :) |
| 21:36.49 | supernovia | and I didn't have to go get them |
| 21:36.59 | mindjuju | can't believe it is so late |
| 21:37.10 | DexterTheDragon | psah its only 3:30 |
| 21:37.58 | mindjuju | is it more? less? relative? related? |
| 21:38.00 | orsonj | ~lart slow clocks |
| 21:38.00 | jbot | teaches slow clocks the basics, including how to RTM |
| 21:38.41 | supernovia | my kid says he doesn't like tomato sandwiches on white bread. woohoo! |
| 21:38.52 | DexterTheDragon | I think psah is more |
| 21:39.13 | supernovia | see, I'd always heard 'psha' |
| 21:40.03 | DexterTheDragon | same pronunciation, different spelling |
| 21:40.19 | supernovia | but pish on the other hand |
| 21:40.24 | supernovia | ... |
| 21:45.32 | supernovia | hee hee. my little girl is talking about doing some experiments, only she's combining the word with experiences to make 'experiementces' or something like that. hee hee |
| 22:01.28 | herlo | brasto: scp |
| 22:10.58 | DexterTheDragon | what partition id do I use if I want to format a drive fat32 and use it on window? |
| 22:11.02 | DexterTheDragon | W95 FAT32 ? |
| 22:11.47 | mindjuju | do you get an ntfs option? |
| 22:11.58 | DexterTheDragon | not using ntfs |
| 22:12.43 | mindjuju | has anybody heard of this? taxing health benefits? from what i understand, my employer pays a great percentage of my medical insurance premium, well now that may be taxed? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29703278/ |
| 22:13.44 | mindjuju | dtd , then fat32 should be what you want |
| 22:15.22 | DexterTheDragon | yeah W95 FAT32 is what I need, just couldn't remember |
| 22:17.47 | supernovia | I'm always amazed when people act surprised that Obama is going against campaign promises. Politicians == Politicians, every time. |
| 22:22.56 | mindjuju | hey, have ya'll seen what kirk ouimet posted in the mailing list???? |
| 22:22.58 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.03 | mindjuju | it's FRREAKIN' NUTS |
| 22:23.07 | mindjuju | i'm signing up for it |
| 22:25.35 | mindjuju | curiously though, their faq doesn't list FF or FF2 on supported browsers |
| 22:26.21 | DexterTheDragon | what about FF3 |
| 22:26.35 | mindjuju | ff3 is for posers |
| 22:26.44 | mindjuju | word |
| 22:29.11 | supernovia | mmm so its like a keylogger / screen capture program :-D |
| 22:29.12 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:29.22 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 22:29.24 | mindjuju | sweet! |
| 22:30.02 | mindjuju | course though, sadly, they'll only take 1000 views a month |
| 22:30.07 | mindjuju | can't do that, that's too few |
| 22:30.21 | supernovia | well, and does it show one user at a time? |
| 22:30.28 | supernovia | seems that'd be somewhat tedious... |
| 22:30.51 | mindjuju | yeah, true that, but ... |
| 22:31.05 | supernovia | would be nicer to know how many people click hre then there, etc. |
| 22:31.06 | mindjuju | do people see things on the page with their mouse? |
| 22:31.15 | supernovia | and you -kinda- get that with google analytics.. a little bit |
| 22:31.22 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 22:31.34 | mindjuju | you've got a point, it's not a heat map |
| 22:31.45 | mindjuju | unless the person points at things or highlights them with their mouse |
| 22:31.54 | mindjuju | otherwise, it's not tracking what they are paying attention to |
| 22:31.56 | supernovia | it would be handy for alpha / beta releases of an interface |
| 22:32.38 | supernovia | seems only geeks look at those though and we think differently. |
| 22:33.38 | supernovia | I think the best usability testing is to hand something over to a kid and watch where they click ;-) |
| 22:33.50 | supernovia | since they rely on intuition mainly anyway |
| 22:35.15 | supernovia | and then test with old people. and of course with your target audience as well :) |
| 22:35.24 | olds | isn't userfly the same thing as clicktale |
| 22:35.36 | olds | http://www.clicktale.com/ |
| 22:36.16 | olds | also, userfly.com appears to be down |
| 22:36.26 | olds | ahh back up now |
| 22:36.31 | supernovia | clicktale aggregates. that's helpful |
| 22:36.54 | mindjuju | clicktale allows for more captures |
| 22:37.09 | olds | we use clicktale for some projects |
| 22:37.35 | supernovia | neat. So ... if you had this on a cart |
| 22:37.48 | supernovia | and you wanted to track abandoned carts and what not |
| 22:38.11 | supernovia | what would you do to keep a site like this from storing cc numbers? |
| 22:40.16 | mindjuju | olds, does it work with FF and FF2, who cares about FF3 |
| 22:42.08 | olds | we've never had any browser issues |
| 22:42.22 | olds | I know it works with FF2, and I assume FF |
| 22:44.04 | olds | The most recent ClickTale release supports the latest versions of Internet Explorer and Firefox on all major operating systems. We plan to support most up to date browsers and Operating Systems. |
| 22:44.08 | olds | *shrug* |
| 22:44.10 | olds | whatever that means |
| 22:46.38 | supernovia | what's wrong with ff3 out of curiosity? |
| 22:47.34 | mindjuju | i was just kidding with dexterthedragon |
| 22:47.36 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:47.55 | supernovia | I guess I haven't run across any issues of it -not- being supported :-) |
| 22:48.08 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: mindjuju's one of those people who doesn't believe in broswers greater than FF1 or IE6 |
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| 22:48.35 | supernovia | Oh goodness. I -need- an IE 6 running somewhere and can't find anyone except one neighbor who uses it. |
| 22:48.58 | supernovia | my kids upgraded my old dell :-S |
| 22:49.25 | supernovia | might have to downgrade it I guess. |
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| 22:49.50 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon - pish-posh! i refuse to use anything other than Netscape 4 |
| 22:49.57 | mindjuju | ah navigator, those were the days! |
| 22:50.18 | beandog | mindjuju, just like playing with legos were the days too, but driving sports cars is fun too |
| 22:50.54 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:50.57 | beandog | nah, legos > sports cars. |
| 22:52.48 | unum | for those of you not in #uhat |
| 22:52.52 | unum | #utah |
| 22:53.06 | unum | really weird. if i alter the phpbb code to tell it to write out $dbname is writes out the right value. yet it's connecting to the wrong database |
| 22:53.19 | unum | this is with phpbb3 |
| 22:53.27 | unum | anyone have anyidea what is going |
| 22:55.55 | supernovia | I don't. phpBB3 is funk. |
| 22:56.42 | beandog | super funk |
| 22:56.52 | beandog | unum, new install? |
| 22:56.55 | supernovia | beandog, k'nnex > legos |
| 22:56.59 | unum | beandog: ya |
| 22:57.06 | unum | with two different domains |
| 22:57.16 | unum | I can tell it's running the right config file for each one |
| 22:57.27 | unum | but yet it still manages to connect to the same database |
| 22:58.04 | beandog | thats weird |
| 22:58.10 | beandog | maybe grep for the one it is connecting to in the code |
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| 22:58.19 | unum | beandog: tried that |
| 22:58.24 | beandog | nothing? |
| 22:58.27 | unum | nothing |
| 22:58.31 | beandog | whats it using to connect |
| 22:58.38 | unum | I went into the code and found the one place it connects |
| 22:58.39 | beandog | internal stuff or external classes? |
| 22:58.48 | unum | and wrote in echo $dbname |
| 22:58.54 | unum | it's using sql_db |
| 22:58.58 | unum | or db_sql I mean |
| 22:59.03 | unum | I don't know what that is |
| 22:59.22 | fungus | find the actual mysql_connect call, and put the echo right before that call. |
| 22:59.25 | Dezertol | is it useing a presist handle |
| 22:59.27 | beandog | me either. |
| 22:59.30 | unum | looks like their own thing |
| 23:00.02 | unum | Dezertol: I think it may be. there seemed to be code to do disable that, and tried that... |
| 23:00.06 | unum | but I'll do what fungus says |
| 23:00.16 | supernovia | always obey the fungus. |
| 23:00.20 | supernovia | especially if he's talking with knives. |
| 23:00.42 | Dezertol | I've got phpbb3 running on 4 sites.. 3 of which on the same server |
| 23:00.49 | Dezertol | not seen any issues like this |
| 23:01.05 | Dezertol | scratch that.. 2 of which |
| 23:03.03 | unum | I looked at the pg_connect call and it's using the right connection string |
| 23:03.23 | unum | and it's passing one for new connection |
| 23:04.03 | fungus | Ok, so now you've isolated the problem to be inside the pg_connect call. Thats a database thing. |
| 23:04.47 | supernovia | arg. gzip: blah.sql.gz: not in gzip format |
| 23:05.15 | fungus | Perhaps try running a packet capture on the db connection to verify it's passing the correct data, thought that could be painful. |
| 23:05.32 | fungus | That step could prove if the problem is in the pg client, or the server |
| 23:06.46 | supernovia | yeah, the sucky thing is this is coming from someone's old host that won't give anyone access to export stuff on their own |
| 23:07.11 | mgeary | man o man |
| 23:07.15 | supernovia | so mysql commands & mysqldump won't work .. sucks. |
| 23:07.31 | supernovia | and they keep sending new ones that are corrupted too |
| 23:08.29 | supernovia | and so we've got it trying to export using a php script but it's not finishing.. |
| 23:08.49 | supernovia | some hosts just don't want to let go. :-p |
| 23:09.37 | Dezertol | does file return it as gzip format.. |
| 23:09.42 | Dezertol | could be that there just idiots |
| 23:09.54 | Dezertol | and it's likz zip format or somthing |
| 23:09.55 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:09.55 | supernovia | I think that's got to be it |
| 23:10.16 | Dezertol | all my sql dumps are bzip almost every time.. |
| 23:10.44 | Dezertol | just wondering if they named it wrong |
| 23:10.45 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:11.12 | supernovia | well and the file appears to be in ascii :-S |
| 23:11.22 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:11.32 | Dezertol | so it's not even compressed |
| 23:11.37 | supernovia | wondering if they just renamed the sql to .gz :-p |
| 23:11.40 | unum | persistence is turned off |
| 23:11.43 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:12.05 | Dezertol | is it a clean sql file then.. with no compression |
| 23:12.06 | Dezertol | lol |
| 23:12.41 | supernovia | well, there's mostly sql there and some funk (probably from him uploading it as a binary file) |
| 23:12.56 | Dezertol | LOL |
| 23:12.56 | supernovia | but mosty sql. |
| 23:12.57 | mgeary | hey all, anyone know a sharp project manager looking for work? We don't have an opening just yet, but i'd like to start identifying some prospects |
| 23:14.16 | supernovia | I used to manage projects. I think web hosting for the last 5 years has made me braindead |
| 23:16.53 | supernovia | but my schedule with the kids school and what not keeps me working from home. |
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| 23:36.13 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 23:37.11 | supernovia | see ya SunSparc |
| 23:46.30 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:46.36 | supernovia | spakoi. |
| 23:46.45 | mindjuju | spakoi? |
| 23:46.53 | supernovia | I'm here playing catch up from sick time this morning |
| 23:47.08 | supernovia | d'oh. just means see ya (kind of) |
| 23:50.19 | macnewbold | nerd maybe, but not big nor fat |
| 23:52.18 | supernovia | awe, thanks macnewbold |
| 23:52.45 | mindjuju | good ole macnewbold |
| 23:52.54 | macnewbold | I know some big fat nerds, sometimes I'm even called one, so I know how to recognize one |
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| 23:53.18 | mindjuju | oh wait, nevermind, here's beandog |
| 23:53.25 | mindjuju | so beandog, what up? |
| 23:53.36 | beandog | mmm |
| 23:53.38 | beandog | I got a new receiver |
| 23:53.38 | supernovia | cls |
| 23:53.40 | beandog | :D |
| 23:53.52 | beandog | oh, and Sleeping Beauty in Blu-Ray is beyond awesomeness. |
| 23:53.58 | supernovia | Coolio :-) |
| 23:54.09 | mindjuju | beandog - did i ever send you this?? http://schoolingharry.ytmnd.com/ |
| 23:54.14 | mindjuju | it's the funniest thing EVAR |
| 23:54.24 | beandog | mindjuju: heh, yah |
| 23:55.03 | mindjuju | supernovia - you should check it out too |
| 23:55.06 | mindjuju | it's funny |
| 23:55.25 | supernovia | cool, I will in a sec, still got this messed up db guy in a chat here |
| 23:56.12 | beandog | mindjuju: whats news |
| 23:56.25 | supernovia | hehe lovely |
| 23:56.33 | mindjuju | here is how you fix ANY db issues |
| 23:56.47 | mindjuju | DELETE FROM table |
| 23:56.47 | mindjuju | WHERE 1=1 |
| 23:56.52 | mindjuju | fixes EVERYTHING |
| 23:56.58 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:57.26 | mindjuju | beandog, not much, just found out that we're likely to have the portion of our insurance premiums taxed by the fed |
| 23:57.39 | beandog | mindjuju: poo |
| 23:57.45 | beandog | down with taxes! |
| 23:58.27 | supernovia | you know, it's amazing what this economy is doing for losers like me. No investments = nothing lost |
| 23:58.34 | supernovia | no health insurance = no taxes on health insurance |
| 23:58.50 | beandog | no money = not much difference |
| 23:58.51 | supernovia | Too bad I own a home and have been making payments on it right? :-p |
| 23:59.59 | beandog | mindjuju: I saw Race to Witch Mountain |
