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| 00:34.18 | mindjuju | ugh what a day |
| 00:34.22 | mindjuju | ready for it to be over |
| 00:35.54 | supernovia | hey mindjuju |
| 00:36.00 | supernovia | just a long one? |
| 00:36.58 | supernovia | mine's been good but very busy and exhausting. I could use a nap now ;) |
| 00:38.25 | mindjuju | hey supernovia, i'm taking off tomorrow for a Corban and Dad day, so i just have to hit week projects in 4 instead of 5 days |
| 00:38.35 | mindjuju | REALLY need to get a new sandbox up before i go home |
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| 00:39.27 | supernovia | ah |
| 00:39.33 | mindjuju | was thinking of taking him to a place called the Quarry, somewhere in provo, supposedly has some kind of climbign walls, etc |
| 00:39.38 | mindjuju | sup utah_dave |
| 00:39.41 | supernovia | Yeah, it's fun |
| 00:39.47 | supernovia | oh hey Utah_Dave |
| 00:39.48 | Utah_Dave | hey, mindjuju |
| 00:39.49 | mindjuju | you've been there before? |
| 00:39.53 | supernovia | Yup |
| 00:39.57 | mindjuju | is it good for kids 6 yrs old? |
| 00:40.01 | mindjuju | is there enough for them to do? |
| 00:40.09 | supernovia | If he likes to climb. I've got one that's kindof scared of that |
| 00:40.10 | Utah_Dave | hey, supernovia |
| 00:40.16 | supernovia | and the other digs it. Take him upstairs |
| 00:40.34 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: did you see that Google released grandcentral as Google Voice? |
| 00:40.39 | mindjuju | i did |
| 00:40.41 | supernovia | they have smaller walls where you don't need ropes, etc. |
| 00:40.44 | mindjuju | posted it to jsmith |
| 00:40.46 | mindjuju | looks cool |
| 00:40.48 | supernovia | class. |
| 00:41.00 | mindjuju | i was thinking of sending him to a class |
| 00:41.03 | mindjuju | for summer |
| 00:41.23 | supernovia | Oh, sorry I was meaning classno / classy on the grandcentral thing :) |
| 00:41.37 | mindjuju | ah |
| 00:41.38 | mindjuju | i do think they have camps though |
| 00:41.41 | supernovia | I don't know if they have classes there or not (I've gone as my brother's guest a few times) |
| 00:41.55 | supernovia | so .. I've noticed some kids have wicked upper arms and some don't |
| 00:42.10 | supernovia | I've got the legs with no upper body strength. so climbing's a bit harder for me. |
| 00:42.41 | mindjuju | prolly hard for everybody here except dataw0lf and Lone_Wanderer |
| 00:42.42 | supernovia | think your kid would hold up well? my older kid seems to have that same high center of gravity and it's kinda hard for him too. My daughter does great though |
| 00:43.19 | mindjuju | i'm not sure how he'll do, he does lots of climbing, but the things we have to climb aren't that tall |
| 00:43.26 | supernovia | Well, give it a go :-) and if that pizza place is still across the street, give it a go. it's good. |
| 00:43.29 | mindjuju | i think it shifts to a whole new level going here |
| 00:43.37 | mindjuju | what's it called? |
| 00:43.48 | supernovia | Mmmm, it's been a few years - |
| 00:43.57 | supernovia | Nick's or Nikki's or something? |
| 00:44.13 | supernovia | hope it's still there. I don't even like pizza and they were good |
| 00:44.22 | DexterTheDragon | 0.o |
| 00:44.28 | DexterTheDragon | how can you not like pizza? |
| 00:44.38 | DexterTheDragon | its like the foundation of life |
| 00:44.58 | supernovia | that's the problem. |
| 00:45.35 | mindjuju | she obviously focuses on the other (better) foundation of life -- whoppers |
| 00:45.45 | mindjuju | i myself fall in that camp too |
| 00:45.47 | supernovia | get this. My dad's a teacher, and when I was maybe 7, my two brothers who are 10 years older than me had to do this fundraiser thing |
| 00:45.57 | mindjuju | who wouldn't want a whopper for bfast, lunch or dinner |
| 00:45.59 | mindjuju | or all 3? |
| 00:46.19 | supernovia | Exactly. Been there done that too. those two are just things I can't handle so well |
| 00:46.46 | mindjuju | you mentioned it, but i thought you were joking |
| 00:46.58 | supernovia | well the whoppers were a different thing |
| 00:47.10 | DexterTheDragon | she doesn't like pizza or whoppers, must be a terrorist |
| 00:47.14 | mindjuju | reminds me of when the Econ101 teacher was trying to explain the point of diminishing return using whoppers |
| 00:47.23 | supernovia | With pizzas, it was buying $600 worth of pizza (100% was donated back to the kids who sold it and my brothers were lazy, parents were poor) |
| 00:47.31 | supernovia | and eating that. for a very long time. |
| 00:47.34 | mindjuju | he seemed to think the fifth whopper wasn't nearly as satisifying as the first |
| 00:47.36 | mindjuju | boy was he wrong! |
| 00:47.41 | supernovia | hehe |
| 00:47.44 | DexterTheDragon | I love pizza fundraiser time |
| 00:47.54 | mindjuju | you bought $600 in pizzas? |
| 00:47.59 | supernovia | I didn't. My parents did. |
| 00:48.08 | supernovia | Like I say. dad was a teacher. they were dirt poor. |
| 00:48.28 | mindjuju | just so you know, that's $120 LC pizzas |
| 00:48.32 | supernovia | and brothers didn't go out and sell to the neighbors like they were supposed to. |
| 00:48.36 | mindjuju | oops, i mean 120 LC pizzas |
| 00:48.37 | supernovia | Yeah. |
| 00:48.38 | mindjuju | no $ |
| 00:48.40 | supernovia | right. |
| 00:48.47 | supernovia | it was -alot- of pizza. |
| 00:48.53 | supernovia | or -a lot- rather. |
| 00:49.06 | DexterTheDragon | eh thats only like 4 months of pizza |
| 00:49.20 | DexterTheDragon | ooooo time for dinner. which is pizza |
| 00:49.23 | supernovia | so after pizza for all meals for a while, I'd had enough pizza to last me a lifetime. I still eat it ocassionally but it's definitely not high on my list. |
| 00:49.24 | mindjuju | 8 by my calc |
| 00:49.30 | mindjuju | half a pizza a day |
| 00:49.37 | mindjuju | 240 half pizzas |
| 00:49.45 | DexterTheDragon | see I'm a whole pizza a day kinda person |
| 00:49.46 | mindjuju | 8 @30days |
| 00:49.55 | supernovia | well, I have lots of syblings. But we still ate tons of pizza for a long time. |
| 00:49.57 | mindjuju | yeah, but i could see diminishing return on pizzas |
| 00:50.07 | mindjuju | after week one, you could only do 1 slice for bfast |
| 00:50.38 | mindjuju | course if you had something to doctor them up a little, create a little variety, it could be tolerable |
| 00:50.41 | supernovia | and then the whopper thing was when my brother fell through the ceiling, busting up the kitchen for a month. burger king was somewhat new to american fork. and they had 99 cent whoppers. We ate them very often. |
| 00:50.48 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: do you heat the bfast pizza up, or eat it cold? |
| 00:51.05 | mindjuju | psh, bfast pizza is ALWAYS cold |
| 00:51.09 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 00:51.13 | mindjuju | and is washed down iwth a soda |
| 00:51.25 | DexterTheDragon | orange soda |
| 00:51.33 | mindjuju | true that, bro |
| 00:51.36 | mindjuju | ^5 |
| 00:51.43 | supernovia | mmmmm, yeah, I wanna fanta |
| 00:52.01 | mindjuju | pizza for all meals though reminds me of college days |
| 00:52.22 | supernovia | I think its that in college you're old enough to decide for yourself |
| 00:52.25 | mindjuju | what does a college student do without pizza or Tbell |
| 00:52.44 | mindjuju | tbell of course for those days when you're broke and have a buck fiddy |
| 00:53.01 | mindjuju | 2 bean burrittos, no onions xtra cheese |
| 00:53.06 | supernovia | I love taco bell :-D |
| 00:53.18 | mindjuju | i used to work there when i was in high school |
| 00:53.21 | supernovia | ~club chalupa++ |
| 00:53.28 | mindjuju | that's a place that doesn't make it like they used to |
| 00:53.43 | mindjuju | i hear they make their beans now like mash potatoes, just add water to dry flakes |
| 00:53.49 | supernovia | Goodness. |
| 00:53.57 | supernovia | I saw bean flakes at sunflower today. Seemed odd. |
| 00:54.13 | mindjuju | back in the day, we used to pressure cook and then blend them with a drill with a blending bit |
| 00:54.27 | mindjuju | i even have a scar on my hand from when a hot bean flew up and landed |
| 00:54.28 | supernovia | I like real mexican food better, but taco bell does have that special processed taste.. |
| 00:54.31 | mindjuju | battle-scar |
| 00:54.35 | supernovia | really? that's awesome! |
| 00:54.42 | mindjuju | it's still shaped like a bean too |
| 00:54.53 | Utah_Dave | I have some great stories from working at tbell for 2months before college |
| 00:54.59 | supernovia | heheh |
| 00:55.27 | Utah_Dave | naked people in the drive through, being attacked by a pregnant woman, weird co-workers, crazy manager |
| 00:56.29 | supernovia | which taco bell was this? |
| 00:56.51 | supernovia | I didn't really attack anyone, don't worry. I did have mad jalepno cravings though. |
| 00:56.54 | mindjuju | yup, utah_dave has worked there |
| 00:57.05 | mindjuju | all Tbell are the same |
| 00:57.18 | supernovia | heheh |
| 00:57.18 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 00:57.20 | mindjuju | course, there is nothing worse, i mean WORSE than bathroom cleanup duty |
| 00:57.33 | mindjuju | dude, don't break out the stories here, bro, but i know them well |
| 00:57.35 | supernovia | goodness. that'd be gross. I hated doing that at wendies |
| 00:57.40 | supernovia | wendy's -- goodness |
| 00:57.41 | Utah_Dave | supernovia: were you pregnant way back then? |
| 00:57.43 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 00:57.57 | supernovia | Well, I've got an almost 8 year old |
| 00:58.19 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you know, now that you mention it, I never had bathroom cleaning duty |
| 00:58.23 | supernovia | so maybe :) |
| 00:58.49 | mindjuju | dude, you was lucky |
| 00:58.51 | Utah_Dave | were you in a big red suburban? |
| 00:58.56 | mindjuju | i could tell tales of the horror |
| 00:59.05 | supernovia | hehehe, no. not I. |
| 01:01.12 | supernovia | hey, they exist: http://www.nicolitaliapizzeria.com/ |
| 01:01.33 | supernovia | and they need a UI person. Goodness. |
| 01:01.50 | supernovia | oi, and a food photographer. But hey, the pizza is good. |
| 01:02.24 | Utah_Dave | Mmm. Pizza does sound really good right now |
| 01:02.36 | supernovia | so Utah_Dave - still got some old junky computers? |
| 01:02.58 | Utah_Dave | I do. When do you want to meet up to get them to you? |
| 01:03.13 | supernovia | When's good for you? |
| 01:03.44 | supernovia | I have the kids play tomorrow and the next day. But I'll have a little time in the afternoon both days |
| 01:03.50 | Utah_Dave | well, I'm going to be in South Sandy tomorrow morning, then I'll be in Riverton all day |
| 01:04.11 | supernovia | Okay |
| 01:04.20 | Utah_Dave | when's the next UPHPU meeting? Is it next week? |
| 01:04.21 | supernovia | Did someone say there was a geek lunch or uphpu lunch tomorrow? |
| 01:04.37 | Utah_Dave | oh, yeah, was it Ottavio's? |
| 01:04.44 | supernovia | ooooooo |
| 01:04.45 | Utah_Dave | ~ping mindjuju |
| 01:04.45 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 01:04.49 | supernovia | the one in provo? |
| 01:05.05 | supernovia | <3 |
| 01:05.13 | Utah_Dave | yeah, sounds yummy |
| 01:05.26 | supernovia | thats only my favorite restaurant EVAR |
| 01:05.38 | Utah_Dave | let me check my email |
| 01:05.39 | mindjuju | k, i'm back utah_dave, sorry, had to update Jing so that I could share this with you guys |
| 01:05.44 | mindjuju | i present.... |
| 01:05.51 | mindjuju | BEAN-WELT! -- http://screencast.com/t/x3O46wXq6zi |
| 01:05.53 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: is there a geek lunch tomorrow? |
| 01:06.15 | mindjuju | tomorrow is dataw0lf luncheon |
| 01:06.22 | mindjuju | he'll be in town until Sunday |
| 01:06.24 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you are so awesome! Not everyone has a bean welt like that |
| 01:06.32 | supernovia | That is way awesome |
| 01:06.33 | Utah_Dave | where's the dataw0lf luncheon |
| 01:07.50 | mindjuju | utah_dave, i'm not sure, but herlo is going, olds i think |
| 01:07.52 | mindjuju | tierra |
| 01:07.58 | mindjuju | i think its at 1p |
| 01:08.11 | mindjuju | i can't go cause i planned Corban day a while back |
| 01:08.13 | mindjuju | :( |
| 01:08.38 | Utah_Dave | supernovia: are you in Salt lake county or Utah county? |
| 01:08.38 | mindjuju | now that i think about it, they are goign up to see watchmen at the imax somewhere too |
| 01:08.42 | mindjuju | from what i recall |
| 01:08.45 | supernovia | I'm in Utah County |
| 01:09.01 | mindjuju | next thursday is Fun with SQL meeting on Thursday with eggyknap presenting |
| 01:09.11 | supernovia | Sounds like fun. With SQL even. |
| 01:09.24 | mindjuju | i think it's going to be a battle royale if today's flame-war is any indicator |
| 01:09.35 | supernovia | heheh |
| 01:09.36 | Utah_Dave | supernovia: I live kinda near Thanksgiving Point |
| 01:09.42 | mindjuju | who knew josephscott had such strong feelings about web servers v bad sql code? |
| 01:09.48 | supernovia | Okay, my kids go to school near there |
| 01:10.04 | supernovia | webservers VERSUS bad sql code? |
| 01:10.21 | supernovia | I have to drop them off by a quarter to 8 |
| 01:10.47 | mindjuju | well, i was sorta playin with what was said, but several people got involved, and josephscott didn't really imply that |
| 01:10.54 | josephscott | bad sql code still sucks |
| 01:11.06 | supernovia | Hi josephscott :-) |
| 01:11.09 | mindjuju | but was arguing, if i recall correctly, that time is better spent on the server side |
| 01:11.15 | mindjuju | oh hey josephscott |
| 01:11.21 | josephscott | just easier to scale |
| 01:11.27 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:11.31 | supernovia | I like good sql and good servers :-D |
| 01:11.46 | josephscott | bottom line, look at requirements/challenges and build accordingly |
| 01:11.53 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 01:12.01 | mindjuju | i think he brings up valid points though |
| 01:12.11 | supernovia | I remember writing this really 'awesome' query about 7 years ago that only took 4 seconds to process. Got me in trouble :-p |
| 01:12.14 | mindjuju | that web devs don't spend the time to learn sql and it costs them in performance |
| 01:12.29 | mindjuju | and functionality |
| 01:13.06 | mindjuju | there is a line there though |
| 01:13.28 | mindjuju | between OCD on the database side or the web server side |
| 01:14.00 | supernovia | yup. and where that line is depends on what you're doing and what you've got to work with too |
| 01:14.53 | supernovia | flame wars are great if they don't end in namecalling and cheapshots :) cause then you get the strongest arguments for both sides. Which helps you make your own line when you need to :-) |
| 01:16.09 | mindjuju | well, i was skimming the comments today, making sure no Ad hominem |
| 01:16.46 | josephscott | if you've got scale in a big way it's easier to do that at the web server level than at the DB level |
| 01:16.48 | supernovia | way to go mindjuju :-) |
| 01:18.26 | mindjuju | hard to argue against ya josephscott, working for who you do, but if yours is a typical case |
| 01:18.26 | supernovia | I'd believe that.. josephscott, you've got scaling experience like no one's business |
| 01:18.34 | mindjuju | or if applicable across the board |
| 01:19.25 | mindjuju | little mom and pop shops who don't get the luxury of endless arrays of servers who are more miserly in their web expenditures |
| 01:19.32 | josephscott | if you only ever have to support 100 concurrent users then scaling isn't an issue, and pushing stuff in to the DB layer is fine |
| 01:19.42 | josephscott | perhaps even the better thing to do |
| 01:20.29 | supernovia | well, I'm dealing with a guy right now who has a search query that runs for a gosh-awful 30 seconds |
| 01:20.38 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 01:20.55 | supernovia | Seriously not cool. I mean, you can break his site by searching for batteries. |
| 01:21.16 | mindjuju | that reminds me of a battl ei was having with the marketing director who insited her pdf of 10mb wasn't too big |
| 01:21.28 | mindjuju | and that my attempts to compress it might damage it |
| 01:21.36 | mindjuju | it's like, even on broadband, that's a minute to download |
| 01:21.37 | supernovia | so he keeps asking if he can just add more ram or whatever, but in his case it would make much more sense to fix the dang query |
| 01:21.40 | mindjuju | NOBODY is going to wait that long |
| 01:22.01 | supernovia | yeah, well not unless it's some awesome free e-book or something |
| 01:22.18 | mindjuju | yeah, it wasn't. 10 page marketing promo |
| 01:22.29 | mindjuju | she's goofy |
| 01:22.44 | supernovia | 1 MB per page. nice. |
| 01:23.06 | supernovia | she's probably just more used to print design :) |
| 01:23.37 | mindjuju | well, seeing her flash her credentials, you'd think she'd have a history in marketing, but i'm not sure |
| 01:23.53 | supernovia | hehe |
| 01:24.03 | mindjuju | we launched a product for the higher end of our clientele, and I mean higher higher end |
| 01:24.06 | mindjuju | so her design |
| 01:24.17 | supernovia | just needs a history in designing neat looking brochures that are tidily under 1MB :-) |
| 01:24.22 | mindjuju | brushed metal background and blue (teal) lettering |
| 01:24.28 | mindjuju | ugh, the horror!!! |
| 01:24.34 | supernovia | This was in 1997 right? |
| 01:24.41 | mindjuju | less than a month ago |
| 01:24.46 | supernovia | :-o |
| 01:24.54 | mindjuju | her excuse was, she wante it to pop when they saw it |
| 01:25.04 | mindjuju | i was like, yeah, it popped me in the eye it's so bad |
| 01:25.08 | mindjuju | got the black eye to prove it |
| 01:25.09 | supernovia | Seriously. |
| 01:25.51 | supernovia | so . um. yeah you should see if a little birdy can suggest ideabook.com to her. |
| 01:26.20 | mindjuju | don't get me wrong, I'm no wps, or like that, I love art and can discern colors well, i just can't make it |
| 01:26.26 | mindjuju | but i can tell a bad design a mile away |
| 01:26.29 | mindjuju | and that was horrid |
| 01:26.33 | supernovia | I'd think most people can. |
| 01:26.49 | supernovia | well, I take that back. I've seen some fairly nasty designs |
| 01:27.51 | mindjuju | the funny thing about wps |
| 01:27.52 | supernovia | problem is designers who think they're being artistic. and design isn't the place to express your artistic tastes. :) |
| 01:27.56 | mindjuju | even his code is beautiful |
| 01:28.00 | mindjuju | my css is like this |
| 01:28.16 | mindjuju | .csstag {blah:12px; something:24px} |
| 01:28.22 | supernovia | and his? |
| 01:28.27 | mindjuju | his is laid out all pretty and easily readible |
| 01:28.39 | supernovia | ah, I write it like that then run it through a prettifier if I feel like it |
| 01:28.58 | supernovia | (read: if someone else is going to use it) |
| 01:29.59 | supernovia | wps = his initials right? so I know we're talking about the same guy? |
| 01:33.41 | supernovia | anyway compressing the css makes it faster :) |
| 01:35.43 | mindjuju | wps yup, his initials |
| 01:37.25 | supernovia | coolio. |
| 01:37.32 | mindjuju | sorry about the pause, i just had a co-worker ask me some questions about the same person |
| 01:37.47 | supernovia | What, you can't be here constantly? :@ |
| 01:37.56 | mindjuju | err, not wps, but that marketing director |
| 01:38.01 | DexterTheDragon | he tries |
| 01:38.03 | supernovia | Ah. right. |
| 01:38.10 | supernovia | it's all good |
| 01:38.20 | mindjuju | she notorious for not understanding what she's asking for, not trying to learn and then using her wiles for trying to get you to do her stuff |
| 01:38.44 | supernovia | that's no fun. |
| 01:38.53 | supernovia | Maybe if I ever go to school I'll study marketing. |
| 01:39.02 | DexterTheDragon | I just returned from awesome homemade pizza |
| 01:39.06 | mindjuju | well, the problem is I'm allergic to dumb girls |
| 01:39.10 | supernovia | congrats Dexter! |
| 01:39.12 | mindjuju | they piss me off like no other |
| 01:39.22 | supernovia | not to dumb boys though? lol |
| 01:39.30 | mindjuju | well, them too :) |
| 01:40.03 | supernovia | I feel like I'm way dumber than I should be. But I'm working on it. And I'm still not dumb |
| 01:40.06 | mindjuju | and while tiff was no debater, she can stand her ground and is a smarty! |
| 01:40.27 | mindjuju | you don't come across that way :) |
| 01:40.42 | mindjuju | and you're a sysop! |
| 01:40.45 | supernovia | well, I'm just dumber than I should be :) |
| 01:40.47 | mindjuju | and code poet |
| 01:40.56 | mindjuju | and play the ... |
| 01:40.59 | supernovia | I need to learn more. |
| 01:41.00 | mindjuju | was it the french horn? |
| 01:41.06 | supernovia | Yeah, and the trumpet |
| 01:41.15 | supernovia | and a little piano. |
| 01:41.17 | mindjuju | love the trumpet, always wanted to learn |
| 01:41.27 | mindjuju | see... you're a smarty! |
| 01:41.29 | supernovia | its really not bad & you can pick up a cheap on at DI |
| 01:41.57 | supernovia | Yeah, I just want to go to school I think. |
| 01:42.23 | mindjuju | now that DexterTheDragon... |
| 01:42.36 | mindjuju | he's a little... |
| 01:43.02 | DexterTheDragon | few bricks short of a load? |
| 01:43.07 | mindjuju | dag, he must be away from computer |
| 01:43.09 | mindjuju | ah! |
| 01:43.26 | supernovia | My daughter drew a dragon last night after she read some comment you madea bout me blaming everything on DST |
| 01:43.29 | mindjuju | well, i've got to wrap up dinner, finish up a project and then get out of here |
| 01:44.01 | mindjuju | ping if ya'll need me |
| 01:44.10 | supernovia | seeya mindjuju :) |
| 01:45.22 | supernovia | maybe I'll scan that fairly awesome dragon pic my girl made, DexterTheDragon . Looks just like you |
| 01:45.33 | DexterTheDragon | awesome |
| 01:45.37 | supernovia | she said she used her scarriest textures :-D |
| 01:45.59 | DexterTheDragon | it can be my new avatar |
| 01:46.00 | supernovia | hee hee :-D |
| 01:46.35 | supernovia | That'd be sweet. It almost looks as awesome as Trogdor. |
| 01:46.43 | DexterTheDragon | hahaha |
| 01:47.17 | supernovia | alright, I'm taking off here. Take care guys :) |
| 01:47.21 | DexterTheDragon | cya |
| 02:36.07 | mindjuju | utah_dave, you still around? |
| 02:39.13 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 02:40.37 | Dezertol | lol |
| 02:40.43 | Dezertol | someone i'm sure |
| 02:41.36 | mindjuju | hey, what is the chance that you'd have a SCSI-3 (wide) ribbon? |
| 02:42.10 | Dezertol | lol not very high.. |
| 02:42.30 | Dezertol | I bet my friend Jay has one but he's cranky |
| 02:42.47 | Dezertol | he's the exchange admin at my job |
| 02:42.48 | Dezertol | lol |
| 02:43.17 | mindjuju | kinda need one tonight |
| 02:43.26 | mindjuju | who would even have it? |
| 02:43.31 | mindjuju | that'd be open? |
| 02:43.42 | Dezertol | asking.. my bud |
| 02:43.43 | Dezertol | one sec |
| 02:43.49 | DexterTheDragon | did you blow up a scsi machine |
| 02:44.21 | mindjuju | trying to frankenstein something functional together |
| 02:44.27 | Dezertol | lol |
| 02:45.06 | Dezertol | Jay's says he's got one at work.. |
| 02:45.17 | Dezertol | but it's not very likly to get him to drive in at this hour |
| 02:45.19 | mindjuju | so close! |
| 02:45.24 | Dezertol | unless you can bring down his Exchange server |
| 02:45.26 | mindjuju | yeah, no worries |
| 02:47.25 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I'm back |
| 02:47.42 | mindjuju | heya utah_dave |
| 02:47.52 | mindjuju | do you by chance happen to have a scsi-3 ribbon? |
| 02:47.58 | Utah_Dave | not here at home |
| 02:48.02 | Utah_Dave | :( sorry |
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| 02:49.24 | mindjuju | :( |
| 02:50.04 | Utah_Dave | I think I could grab you one at work in the morning |
| 02:51.01 | mindjuju | that'd be cool |
| 02:51.30 | mindjuju | i could zip up there, oh wait, you're goign to be in riverton, no? |
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| 04:11.26 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: |
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| 14:46.09 | herlo | halllooooooo!!! |
| 14:47.46 | jsmith | Morning! |
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| 15:20.50 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
| 15:21.50 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:45.26 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 15:48.34 | dataw0lf | or the ruby conf |
| 15:48.36 | dataw0lf | morning peeps |
| 15:53.28 | unum | morning |
| 15:53.54 | DexterTheDragon | pretty much sums it up http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/86117418 |
| 15:55.03 | dataw0lf | so who's coming to lunch? |
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| 16:01.39 | herlo | dataw0lf: I probably can't |
| 16:01.57 | herlo | dataw0lf: but I can probably tomorrow or Sunday :) |
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| 16:07.22 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: what time and where is lunch? |
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| 16:14.41 | toofer | Mama Chu's by the mouth of Provo Canyon at noon |
| 16:15.35 | dataw0lf | uh, no |
| 16:15.43 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Bayout @ 2pm |
| 16:15.56 | dataw0lf | herlo: ah word, well give me a ring. |
| 16:17.39 | redroy | Morning... quick MySql question: does anyone ever use SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS ? All the research I'm doing yields it's much slower than doing a second query with COUNT |
| 16:18.10 | herlo | dataw0lf: still have an 801 number? |
| 16:18.20 | dataw0lf | herlo: Nah it's 775-636-5992 |
| 16:18.28 | herlo | dataw0lf: ooh! I so wanna go to the bayou! |
| 16:21.37 | dataw0lf | :( |
| 16:21.40 | dataw0lf | make it happen then |
| 16:24.37 | redroy | Of course all the tests that I'm seeing aren't using JOINs, GOUPs etc. (referring to my post above) |
| 16:26.11 | dataw0lf | redroy: no idea, sorry dude. |
| 16:27.00 | _psychic_ | if your research is yielding a certain answer, you might have answered your own question |
| 16:27.08 | jsmith | redroy: My experience is that SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS is slow as well |
| 16:28.49 | redroy | _psychic_ , yeah.. I just trust you guys more so it's nice to confirm things. |
| 16:29.01 | redroy | thanks for the feedback |
| 16:34.15 | mgeary | hey, how can i do a rewrite such that /something goes to /something/ ? |
| 16:34.15 | mgeary | RewriteRule ^something$ /something/ [R] |
| 16:34.15 | mgeary | isn't working |
| 16:34.15 | mgeary | oh wait |
| 16:34.15 | mgeary | maybe it is |
| 16:34.44 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:34.46 | mgeary | nevermind |
| 16:34.53 | Dezertol | what is R |
| 16:35.01 | Dezertol | i've only ever used L and NC |
| 16:35.23 | herlo | dataw0lf: we'll see... |
| 16:35.58 | Dezertol | ah.. forced redirect |
| 16:36.51 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:48.28 | beandog | thebigdog, whats the stats? |
| 16:48.40 | thebigdog | for? |
| 16:49.09 | thebigdog | for my server |
| 16:49.33 | beandog | yah |
| 16:50.31 | thebigdog | oh it is a core2duo 2.9ghz, 4g ram, 500g sata 7200rpm with an asus p5n73-am mb |
| 16:50.59 | thebigdog | with gentoo hardened 64 on it |
| 16:51.13 | thebigdog | with a dvd drive too |
| 16:52.02 | beandog | wow |
| 16:52.04 | beandog | veddy nice. |
| 16:52.08 | beandog | Ill bet its zippy. |
| 16:52.21 | thebigdog | for about $350 total |
| 16:52.35 | thebigdog | i have an old amd athlon that i need to replace |
| 16:53.07 | thebigdog | i was thinking of keeping that box for myself but i dont have a graphics card for it |
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| 17:56.52 | thebigdog | haha last job posting is funny |
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| 17:57.05 | thebigdog | esp this - "If you have coding for the last 10 years in C or JAVA and you are just looking into PHP, that is great, but you are not qualified." |
| 17:57.19 | thebigdog | i figure if you have been programming in c for the last 10yrs you can do php |
| 17:57.39 | thebigdog | you could probably do some php modules too |
| 17:58.02 | tierra | heh |
| 17:58.24 | DexterTheDragon | I figure if you can't do proper english, you probably shouldn't be making job postings |
| 17:58.31 | _psychic_ | you probably can't take on a senior PHP position |
| 17:59.05 | thebigdog | but what gets me is that they want 3-5 yrs real experience |
| 17:59.17 | thebigdog | if you have 10 yrs of real experience that is really good |
| 17:59.20 | Lone_Wanderer | not imaginary experience! |
| 17:59.29 | Lone_Wanderer | or pretend experience! |
| 17:59.35 | _psychic_ | which is the square root of negative experience |
| 17:59.58 | Lone_Wanderer | yes! my experience has an imaginary component. |
| 18:00.03 | _psychic_ | if I had a big app in PHP, I don't think I'd hire a 10-year Java or C programmer to lead it |
| 18:00.14 | Lone_Wanderer | If it were graphed it would require a z axis. |
| 18:04.05 | Lone_Wanderer | (said in the voice of t-rex) |
| 18:05.16 | thebigdog | _psychic_, im just not sure it is for a senior developer cause 3-5yrs imho does not make someone a senior developer |
| 18:05.23 | _psychic_ | agreed |
| 18:05.50 | thebigdog | i dont even consider myself a senior developer even though many companies would...which is scary |
| 18:06.36 | _psychic_ | it's a relative term |
| 18:06.53 | thebigdog | yes |
| 18:07.29 | thebigdog | for me a senior guy is like 15-20 yrs...that is someone that has worked on numerous projects and really been around the block |
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| 18:10.13 | _psychic_ | senior to me is where the buck stops. |
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| 18:18.31 | Lone_Wanderer | This line is a bit disturbing: "Oh, and that horrible ripping sensation going on in your pelvis? That's just you becoming better at everything." |
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| 19:03.34 | orsonj | My little Indy finally learned to crawl _forward_ last night. |
| 19:09.13 | _psychic_ | congrats |
| 19:09.34 | _psychic_ | is walking backwards the next step? (pun intended) |
| 19:10.31 | orsonj | heh, he was so annoyed when he would try to crawl to a toy and he would just go backward. |
| 19:19.07 | _psychic_ | Indy is a cool name |
| 19:19.14 | _psychic_ | is it Indiana in full? |
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| 19:22.32 | thebigdog | what sucks is that once they start walking it all goes downhill from there |
| 19:23.01 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 19:23.11 | Dezertol | you have to nail down everything below 3 feet |
| 19:23.31 | Dezertol | even drawrs.. they dump them out |
| 19:25.48 | itimber | anyone know the url for the room's transcripts? |
| 19:27.06 | thebigdog | google riker #uphpu |
| 19:27.11 | thebigdog | ~google riker #uphpu |
| 19:27.33 | thebigdog | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
| 19:27.40 | thebigdog | ~flip itimber |
| 19:27.41 | jbot | ACTION gives itimber the .|.. ..|. |
| 19:28.12 | itimber | ~flip back to thebigdog |
| 19:28.13 | jbot | ACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 19:32.19 | itimber | thanks for the url thebigdog |
| 19:32.47 | thebigdog | np itimber |
| 19:36.58 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 19:36.59 | jbot | forces cycokilr to use Outlook Express |
| 19:37.03 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 19:37.10 | macnewbold | I was hoping it would get carmony... |
| 19:42.46 | orsonj | ok, back again. Indiana is the name. We call him Indy though. |
| 19:46.06 | jsmith | Indiana was the name of the dog! |
| 19:46.56 | cycokilr | yikes |
| 19:52.04 | utahcon | Snakes... why does it always have to be snakes? |
| 19:54.07 | macnewbold | you can always tell when you're in a cool channel by how frequently movie references come up and are quoted perfectly |
| 19:54.33 | thebigdog | my fav quote - "Your never going to regret this Ray!" |
| 19:56.26 | _psychic_ | ghostbusters? |
| 19:57.20 | thebigdog | oh yes |
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| 19:59.52 | thebigdog | "Are you a god?" |
| 20:00.16 | thebigdog | and this one is great - Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"! |
| 20:00.36 | utahcon | Don't cross the streams |
| 20:00.39 | utahcon | Why? |
| 20:00.42 | utahcon | It would be bad. |
| 20:00.48 | utahcon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.56 | SunSparc | Every has 3 mortgages these days. |
| 20:01.03 | SunSparc | Everyone |
| 20:02.04 | SunSparc | It was a quote |
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| 20:43.42 | mgeary | "well I didn't vote for you" |
| 20:48.22 | SunSparc | Holy Grail: Scene 3 |
| 20:48.56 | SunSparc | Because they are so quotable. |
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| 21:10.01 | utahcon | I would wager based on the activities in my office, that the economy does not suck so bad for mini-fridge manufacturers. |
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| 21:28.06 | beandog | oy |
| 21:35.20 | SunSparc | jbot, give beandog a nap and a box of cookies |
| 21:35.21 | jbot | ACTION gives a nap and a box of cookies to beandog |
| 21:36.55 | thebigdog | ~give beandog some girl scout cookies |
| 21:36.55 | jbot | ACTION gives some girl scout cookies to beandog |
| 21:37.38 | beandog | those are good. |
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| 21:41.26 | beandog | ~friday afternoon |
| 21:41.27 | jbot | ACTION locks afternoon in Friday forever, Groundhog's Day style |
| 21:41.46 | supernovia | that'd be nice :) |
| 21:42.00 | beandog | mm, groundhogs |
| 21:43.11 | beandog | ~flapjacks++ |
| 21:43.23 | beandog | ~flap jack |
| 21:43.33 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:43.53 | supernovia | so did anyone go to the dataw0lf lunch today? |
| 21:43.59 | supernovia | I wasn't sure where it was. woulda been fun though |
| 21:44.50 | SunSparc | It was up in downtown Salt Lake. |
| 21:45.09 | thebigdog | man i have too many boxes of gs cookies |
| 21:45.24 | SunSparc | I would have liked to go, but could not get away with a 2 hour lunch. |
| 21:45.42 | SunSparc | thebigdog: hand 'em over... |
| 21:46.06 | supernovia | I took a two hour lunch today actually |
| 21:46.15 | supernovia | the kids got out at noon but had to be back for their play practice at three |
| 21:46.39 | supernovia | and driving to my house and back, and to the school again = 1.5 hours. |
| 21:47.09 | supernovia | wait, I guess only one trip, from the school to my house, then back to the school. = 1 hour. |
| 21:47.20 | supernovia | so I took a 2 hour lunch and went shopping :-p |
| 21:47.24 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:47.31 | supernovia | tried out that flour girls and dough boys. Tasty stuff |
| 21:47.54 | SunSparc | You did?! |
| 21:47.58 | supernovia | the kids kept saying "I don't think this is a public place." |
| 21:48.02 | SunSparc | Yeah, they have good stuffs. |
| 21:48.05 | supernovia | Yes I did! Thanks for the recommendation. They're freakin awesome. |
| 21:48.10 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:48.23 | supernovia | Although I must say it didn't fit in too well with the Raw Foods plan. But it's just one day :) |
| 21:48.24 | SunSparc | Mmmm, their cookies are to die for. |
| 21:48.30 | supernovia | Ooh, didn't try those. |
| 21:48.38 | SunSparc | Mmmmm |
| 21:48.40 | supernovia | I had a pecan sticky bun |
| 21:48.54 | SunSparc | The ones the size of your head? |
| 21:49.03 | supernovia | Yeah. I shared it with the kids though ;-) |
| 21:49.11 | supernovia | (see, 1/3rd fewer calories!) |
| 21:49.12 | SunSparc | Yeah, you almost have to share those. |
| 21:49.16 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:49.22 | supernovia | or rather 1/3rd of the calories. My brain's out for the week I think. |
| 21:49.55 | supernovia | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 21:49.55 | jbot | makes a balloon animal out of DexterTheDragon |
| 21:51.06 | supernovia | some lady there bought the kids cupcakes on top of that when I let her use my computer :) |
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| 21:51.55 | SunSparc | Sharing my computer == Scary |
| 21:52.13 | SunSparc | Like sharing underwear or a toothbrush. Just don't like it. |
| 21:52.19 | beandog | o.O |
| 21:52.26 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:52.39 | beandog | one of these is not like the other |
| 21:52.58 | SunSparc | Which one? |
| 21:53.34 | beandog | well I dont think Id put sharing underwear on the same level |
| 21:53.40 | beandog | I mean, I'd sooner let someone use my computer |
| 21:53.51 | beandog | but I think Id burn any undies after "sharing" |
| 21:54.06 | beandog | oy |
| 21:54.25 | SunSparc | Not me. I even cringe if my wife gets close to it. I bought her her own so she would not feel the need to use mine. |
| 21:54.30 | supernovia | hmm I guess that depends on what's on your computer ;-) anyway I just looked up something on dex for her and let her copy down the phone numbers :) |
| 21:54.45 | supernovia | Not that I'm implying anything, SunSparc, I know you rock. |
| 21:54.50 | beandog | SunSparc, ah |
| 21:54.53 | beandog | I just lock mine down |
| 21:54.58 | beandog | if that doesnt deter them, Linux does. :D |
| 21:55.00 | SunSparc | supernovia: hehe |
| 21:55.10 | beandog | "what in the world kind of nerd application developer stuff is this?" |
| 21:55.14 | beandog | is something my sister would say. |
| 21:55.28 | SunSparc | That is funny beandog |
| 21:55.58 | beandog | if that doesnt do the trick, just come back after a few minutes and scream "What did you do!!?" |
| 21:56.31 | SunSparc | Let my computer out of my sight with another person? You must be daft. |
| 21:56.31 | supernovia | my kids aren't deterred by linux |
| 21:56.33 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 21:56.50 | SunSparc | That is because kids still have open minds. |
| 21:57.02 | beandog | kids have no fear |
| 21:57.26 | supernovia | they have fear, trust me :) But they're certainly not afraid of ubuntu :) |
| 21:57.32 | _psychic_ | fear as in preconceptions and biases |
| 21:58.26 | supernovia | that's true. |
| 22:00.09 | supernovia | alright dears. I had to sneak in here for some info, now I'm sneaking back out |
| 22:00.16 | macnewbold | bye supernovia |
| 22:00.28 | supernovia | hey mac, nice to see ya! Hi and bye! |
| 22:01.11 | supernovia | oh yeah? wish you could drive out to a school and get the kids and come back and work till 7? :-p |
| 22:01.20 | macnewbold | two hour lunches too... |
| 22:01.26 | macnewbold | who do you work for anyway? ;) |
| 22:01.30 | supernovia | hehe, on Fridays anyway |
| 22:01.53 | macnewbold | yeah, I know the feeling. I've done the drop off/pick up for school thing quite a bit. drop off daily still. |
| 22:02.12 | supernovia | I work for Hands-On Web Hosting. Used to be salary full time. Now I do that part time along with a little this and that (photography, css, design, consulting, etc.) |
| 22:02.42 | supernovia | yeah, their school is an hour round trip so it's an ordeal for sure |
| 22:03.05 | supernovia | (but it's worth it, and if it weren't for my freaking awesome star ceiling I'd want to sell my house and move closer to the school) |
| 22:03.27 | supernovia | anyway - I'm going to get a little work done now before they're out of their practice :-) spakoi! |
| 22:03.47 | beandog | spakoi? |
| 22:03.54 | supernovia | sorry |
| 22:04.15 | supernovia | its like russglish .. |
| 22:04.40 | supernovia | 'spakoi' means bye more or less :) only of course it's written differently :) |
| 22:04.50 | supernovia | anyway i'll be seeing ya :) |
| 22:05.29 | beandog | trivia time |
| 22:05.31 | beandog | name that movie |
| 22:05.36 | beandog | "I've seen better film on teeth" |
| 22:35.28 | Dezertol | lol -> http://cgi.ebay.com/Time-Travel-Ticket-Go-to-the-future-for-19-95_W0QQitemZ280203289425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0 |
| 22:35.39 | Dezertol | I used to workf or that company |
| 22:35.40 | Dezertol | lol |
| 22:36.43 | beandog | ebay? |
| 22:37.12 | macnewbold | mindjuju used to work for ebay |
| 22:37.26 | Dezertol | no the people in the post |
| 22:37.35 | Dezertol | lol tho my friend works for ebay |
| 22:37.45 | Dezertol | Gruber |
| 22:37.56 | Dezertol | lol I guess there getting desprate for attention |
| 22:41.37 | beandog | the bayou? |
| 22:41.41 | beandog | queeseso |
| 22:42.52 | herlo | beandog: http://www.utahbayou.com/ |
| 22:43.06 | beandog | ooh, pool. |
| 22:43.23 | herlo | beandog: apparently you weren't paying attention when dataw0lf suggested we all go there because he's here right now |
| 22:43.34 | beandog | herlo, yah, I think I spaced again. |
| 22:43.39 | herlo | heh |
| 22:43.41 | herlo | here == Utah |
| 22:43.50 | herlo | he's not at my work |
| 22:44.53 | mgeary | ~drop herlo |
| 22:46.44 | herlo | ~simpsons mgeary |
| 22:46.45 | jbot | ACTION sends mgeary chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 22:47.06 | DexterTheDragon | ~yow |
| 22:47.10 | mgeary | ~zippy |
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| 23:56.41 | SunSparc | Have a great weekend all! |