| 00:00.24 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: that doesn't even make sense. |
| 00:00.29 | mindjuju | sure it does |
| 00:00.33 | unum | right now we are paying for drug users to sit around in jail |
| 00:00.36 | dataw0lf | how is that any different from drugs being illegal. |
| 00:00.45 | dataw0lf | or alcohol being legal? |
| 00:00.53 | dataw0lf | (alcohol being harder than a lot of illegal drugs) |
| 00:00.57 | carmony | but all the medical treatments would be expensive too |
| 00:01.05 | dataw0lf | thus why you tax the hell out of it. |
| 00:01.09 | carmony | true |
| 00:01.12 | carmony | to help pay for it |
| 00:01.16 | mindjuju | which drugs are so wimpy that alcohol beat it in intensity? |
| 00:01.18 | unum | we are paying for cops to look for drugs, for dogs to sniff for them, for proscetors to prosecute them |
| 00:01.26 | unum | mindjuju: pot |
| 00:01.33 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: marijuana, mushrooms, acid |
| 00:01.36 | dataw0lf | cocaine |
| 00:01.47 | mindjuju | those AREN'T as bad as alcohol ? |
| 00:01.53 | dataw0lf | correct. |
| 00:01.56 | mindjuju | wow |
| 00:01.59 | dataw0lf | as far as health issues and addiction |
| 00:01.59 | mindjuju | news to me |
| 00:02.22 | mindjuju | in what way are they not as bad? |
| 00:02.23 | dataw0lf | certainly been far drunker than any time I've used the admittedly large variety of drugs I've tried. |
| 00:02.33 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: none of those I've listed are physically addictive, for one. |
| 00:02.42 | mindjuju | pot isn't? |
| 00:02.45 | dataw0lf | No. |
| 00:02.56 | dataw0lf | cocaine isn't either. |
| 00:03.13 | dataw0lf | you can die from detoxification from alcohol after being addicted |
| 00:03.36 | unum | mental addictions can be pretty bad |
| 00:03.45 | unum | but you can get that to anything |
| 00:03.45 | dataw0lf | unum: certainly, they can. |
| 00:03.52 | dataw0lf | just like mental addictions to, say, food. |
| 00:03.59 | dataw0lf | or, biting your nails |
| 00:04.01 | unum | computers,porn,games |
| 00:04.11 | unum | sports |
| 00:04.14 | unum | that's a really bad one |
| 00:04.21 | unum | I'll vote to make sports illegal |
| 00:04.33 | dataw0lf | yea, soccer should be illegal |
| 00:04.39 | dataw0lf | it kills more people than pot |
| 00:04.47 | dataw0lf | (but pretty much everything kills more people than pot) |
| 00:05.27 | dataw0lf | Did you hear about the study just publicized where the THC in marijuana nullifies the carcinogens? |
| 00:05.34 | unum | though not if you count the enforcement of anti pot laws |
| 00:05.38 | unum | that kills a lot of people |
| 00:05.39 | dataw0lf | Marijuana has more carcinogens than tobacco |
| 00:05.51 | dataw0lf | but the THC kills the carcinogens before it can get ahold of your tissue and cells |
| 00:06.04 | dataw0lf | it's remarkable. |
| 00:06.25 | dataw0lf | if you believe in god, that's like a bonk on the head. |
| 00:07.16 | dataw0lf | http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1277837, that's a brief overview |
| 00:07.20 | dataw0lf | fascinating stuff. |
| 00:07.53 | dataw0lf | ohp, that was the original study and then they did a larger one, lemme find it |
| 00:08.35 | dataw0lf | anyway, there aren't many drugs harder than alcohol. |
| 00:08.43 | dataw0lf | Heroin, meth, PCP are a few that are |
| 00:09.18 | dataw0lf | meth probably being the worst in terms of social effects, biological inhibition, etc |
| 00:09.54 | dataw0lf | you can thank housewives in the 50s for bringing meth to the table |
| 00:12.28 | carmony | I think the addiction to drugs is the most harmful effect. I know people who all they do all day is figure out how to satisfy their need for their drug of choice. |
| 00:13.06 | dataw0lf | well the thing about addicts is that laws aren't going to stop them. That's why they're... addicts. |
| 00:13.22 | carmony | yup |
| 00:13.36 | dataw0lf | the only thing that _may_ stop them is medical treatment |
| 00:14.04 | dataw0lf | instead of training them to be a hardcore criminal by throwing them into prison (where drugs are just as available as on the street) |
| 00:14.48 | dataw0lf | meanwhile, we have gangs in Mexico nearly taking over and funnelling even more American dollars from our economy. |
| 00:15.13 | dataw0lf | we have poppy farms in Afghanistan that in many ways thwart our goals against the Taliban there |
| 00:16.12 | dataw0lf | anyway, it always takes a good knock on America's head to get sensible substance laws passed. See: Why FDR repealed prohibition. |
| 00:20.42 | dataw0lf | in other news: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090306_11_0_Thirte948209 |
| 00:39.06 | mindjuju | yeah, i hate it when conservatives take a page from liberal teacher's playbook |
| 00:40.19 | dataw0lf | ... they can't both be wrong? It's ok because a liberal has done it? >_< |
| 00:41.00 | mindjuju | nope, i'm saying it is wrong in this case just as it is wrong when school teachers do it |
| 00:41.10 | mindjuju | hence the "yeah, i hate it when conservatives take a page from liberal teacher's playbook" |
| 00:41.17 | mindjuju | nobody should be doing it |
| 00:41.47 | dataw0lf | I need a copy of this liberal teacher playbook |
| 00:42.14 | mindjuju | meh, go to youtube, you'll see enough of it in action |
| 00:44.01 | dataw0lf | well, it's hard not to be "liberal" as a teacher when the conservatives demonize "liberal" things such as "science" |
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| 01:28.59 | supernovia | so I'm pretty sure no one is here, but I had to laugh at my friends' daughter's comment about herlo: |
| 01:29.22 | supernovia | She wants him to be one of her big brothers because "He could probably fix computers really good and he could beat up *anybody*." |
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| 04:08.48 | wps | dataw0lf: where are you doing lunch? (I work downtown now) |
| 05:13.28 | herlo | anyone know a good place for donuts tonight? |
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| 23:35.12 | macnewbold | does anyone know if kirk ouimet hangs out in here? his anti-captcha post was interesting |
| 23:47.48 | thebigdog | he does not |