| 00:03.37 | SunSparc | Gotta run! Got people to kill! |
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| 00:08.06 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, postfix is my mailserver of choice |
| 00:08.23 | thebigdog | mine is postfix+dovecot for a basic setup |
| 00:08.46 | thebigdog | along with spamassassin and clamav with amavis |
| 00:09.42 | PoeticIntensity | good stuff, bro. |
| 00:10.47 | thebigdog | that gives me a pretty solid solution |
| 00:10.57 | thebigdog | i have some other things tied in there too...but man i love it |
| 00:11.11 | thebigdog | itimber has a nice setup too |
| 00:20.10 | tierra | I don't know who here makes use or has wanted to make use of the Tango Icon Library, but you may all be happy to know that it's now released under public domain, no longer CC-By-SA... |
| 00:23.05 | _carmony | why is that itimber? |
| 00:23.09 | itimber | TY thebigdog |
| 00:23.21 | itimber | cause I had thebigdog set it up |
| 00:23.39 | mindjuju | sad |
| 00:23.40 | mindjuju | http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/technology/chi-0303-circuit-citymar03,0,5673189.story |
| 00:23.43 | itimber | haven't been reading back, but you're chatting about postfix and dovecot, right? |
| 00:23.59 | mindjuju | itimber -- yup |
| 00:24.28 | itimber | He tied both into a MySQL db.... so I can build webapps that directly connect w/ the mailserver |
| 00:25.03 | itimber | also, it's got a greylist, spamassassin, and some other virus/spam filters |
| 00:25.13 | itimber | and a nice web interface |
| 00:25.23 | itimber | thebigdog set me up nicely |
| 00:26.16 | mindjuju | yeah, no doubt, cause running tuts and trying to parse setup guides is for sukas |
| 00:26.24 | itimber | I've got to run... hit me up tomorrow if you want to know more |
| 00:26.27 | mindjuju | case in point http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_setup_guide.htm |
| 00:26.28 | itimber | LOL |
| 00:26.30 | itimber | later guys |
| 00:26.55 | mindjuju | 15 minutes to go down 1.5 inches |
| 00:30.47 | tierra | Circuit City had bad management for over 10 years, their bankruptcy had nothing to do with the economy |
| 00:31.50 | mindjuju | haven't been in one for a long time, but i think its still sad to see it go |
| 00:32.09 | tierra | heh, there's a reason you haven't been in one in a long time ;) |
| 00:32.36 | mindjuju | yeah, same for compusa and best buy |
| 00:32.45 | mindjuju | though a LONG time ago, i frequented compusa |
| 00:34.45 | tierra | Fry's _really_ needs to get to work, with CompUSA having closed 126 stores, and Circuit City closing all stores, their only competitor anymore is Best Buy |
| 00:36.24 | PoeticIntensity | any Fry's in Utah? |
| 00:36.44 | tierra | no, and there needs to be |
| 00:38.46 | tierra | I probably still wouldn't buy most of my electronics from Fry's as opposed to online, but I would visit much more frequently for small odds and ends |
| 00:39.03 | mindjuju | it would be aweomse to have a Fry's here |
| 00:42.48 | mindjuju | any shorewall users in the house? |
| 00:49.06 | beandog | mindjuju: PoeticIntensity |
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| 02:30.29 | andrey | Hello all! I'm new to UPHPU. Would you be interested in looking at the cameras I wrote about in "Elphel camera under the hood: from Verilog to PHP" ( http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4187053130.html ) on one of your meetings? |
| 02:31.26 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: ^^ |
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| 02:33.52 | beandog | hey andrey, not too many people around at night since we usually are online during work hours |
| 02:33.56 | beandog | but sometimes a few linger around |
| 02:35.18 | andrey | beandog: should I email my suggestion somewhere or is this irc posting enough? |
| 02:35.29 | beandog | email is good :) |
| 02:36.24 | andrey | I could not find address to email to :-( |
| 02:36.55 | beandog | website has mailing list info |
| 02:37.16 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://uphpu.org/mailing-lists-and-irc/ |
| 02:37.20 | DexterTheDragon | whoops |
| 02:37.24 | DexterTheDragon | andrey: http://uphpu.org/mailing-lists-and-irc/ |
| 02:37.25 | beandog | yah |
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| 02:38.45 | andrey | Thanks! |
| 02:39.32 | andrey | I just thought - so many people logged in here, they'll probably see this later |
| 02:40.22 | DexterTheDragon | not many people back read |
| 02:43.56 | andrey | I see. There still is time before the next meeting, so I'll wait and email in a couple days if nobody will notice this conversation. |
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| 15:13.02 | herlo | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only |
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| 15:39.43 | macnewbold | anyone in here interested in a quick linux consulting project? A client changed web hosting and hasn't been able to get sox (audio manipulation tool) doing what their site needs on the new server. |
| 15:40.14 | macnewbold | she had someone through scriptlance.com install sox on the linux VPS hosting she has (looks like it is virtuozzo based on centos) |
| 15:40.31 | macnewbold | but they didn't install lame or mad so it can't do anything with mp3's now, which she needs. |
| 15:41.37 | herlo | oh |
| 15:41.41 | herlo | that suckx |
| 15:42.31 | macnewbold | yeah, stupid waste of time |
| 15:42.40 | herlo | what is she using sox for? |
| 15:42.45 | macnewbold | now she can't get a hold of the guy who did it, and I can't find any sign of how he installed sox |
| 15:42.58 | macnewbold | when I tried rebuilding from source, the C compiler on the VPS is borked |
| 15:43.14 | herlo | hmm |
| 15:43.57 | macnewbold | her site is an online music store, and sox is used to clip 30 seconds out of a newly posted song and make a preview out of it |
| 15:44.20 | herlo | ahh |
| 15:44.24 | herlo | that's cool |
| 15:44.38 | herlo | well, I have to head off to work, but when I can get there, I could have a look |
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| 15:53.29 | supernovia | mindjuju do you have any of those computers left? |
| 15:54.36 | supernovia | or does anyone else have old computers they're getting rid of within the next few months? |
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| 15:55.16 | _carmony | quantify "old" ;) like a year or two, or more like really old 5 years, etc... :P |
| 15:55.54 | supernovia | Doesn't even matter. |
| 15:56.03 | supernovia | As long as it can run ubuntu or something like it |
| 15:56.19 | supernovia | and probably young enough to have usb for peripherals |
| 15:57.10 | supernovia | these would be for some ladies who have never even owned a computer ever |
| 15:58.23 | _carmony | I know of an accounting firm that might be getting rid of their 5 year old computers |
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| 15:58.36 | supernovia | If they are that'd be great. |
| 15:59.24 | supernovia | I mean I don't want anyone to be trying to get rid of computers for this but just any that you're already getting rid of anyway and don't have someone else who needs them |
| 16:00.46 | Utah_Dave | supernovia: I have 3 computers you can have. They run Ubuntu just fine |
| 16:00.59 | Utah_Dave | I think I might even have a monitor or two to throw in |
| 16:02.03 | supernovia | And they're things you don't particularly need right? |
| 16:02.17 | supernovia | because I don't want to be taking away from anyone... |
| 16:02.32 | Utah_Dave | supernovia: nope, they're sitting by my desk at home. |
| 16:02.43 | supernovia | class. OK. |
| 16:02.45 | Utah_Dave | I was going to play around with clustering them and stuff, but I haven't gotten to it |
| 16:02.50 | Utah_Dave | for like 6 months |
| 16:03.09 | Utah_Dave | I'd rather have them being used than sitting there collecting dust. |
| 16:03.11 | supernovia | coolio. Well if you're SURE you don't need them, I am SURE these people do, you know? |
| 16:03.58 | Utah_Dave | yep |
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| 16:04.08 | supernovia | and I'll teach them how to use them, etc. |
| 16:04.32 | Utah_Dave | pm me with your phone number and I'll call you this afternoon. |
| 16:04.47 | supernovia | I'll be out this afternoon... do you have my email? |
| 16:05.18 | Utah_Dave | I don't think so |
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| 16:06.49 | herlo | macnewbold: wanna provide some info? |
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| 16:15.10 | macnewbold | herlo: yeah, pm |
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| 16:17.26 | herlo | macnewbold: k |
| 16:19.03 | supernovia | OK guys, I have to take off again for a while here but if you run into any old computers, drop me a note |
| 16:19.25 | supernovia | and this is the only Velda on the list so you can figure out my email addy, alright? |
| 16:19.29 | thebigdog | i need a new mbp |
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| 16:40.46 | SunSparc | thebigdog: "need"? ;) |
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| 16:44.42 | fungus | lol http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/blogs/bizfeed/160668/new_mac_mini_misses_the_mark_for_small_business.html?tk=rss_news |
| 16:45.23 | fungus | Another PC journalist that is getting the smackdown by the Mac fans |
| 16:48.14 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:48.59 | fungus | Although this time I can't find anything in the article that is factual or redeeming for the author to forgive him. |
| 16:50.34 | SunSparc | What a punk. I am glad his readers slammed him. |
| 16:51.04 | mindjuju | fungus, this is part of the new subtle microsoft marketing campaign, it's creepy, but i've seen hundreds of articles like this in the past few months |
| 16:51.09 | mindjuju | >>Leopard Server is a joy to behold, so long as you do not require tight integration with Microsoft's wide range of enterprise technologies.<< |
| 16:51.34 | mindjuju | remember how ms was trying to get bloggers to comment positively on vista like 3 yrs ago? |
| 16:53.55 | fungus | lol, no kidding |
| 16:54.08 | mgeary | what kind of old computers was Velda after? |
| 16:54.45 | mindjuju | i mentioned that I had / have a stack of boxen was trying to plow thoruhg |
| 16:55.09 | mindjuju | i still have some, but don't think she'll want them, i don't think UTOS can use them either, but maybe? <<herlo |
| 16:55.30 | mindjuju | they are dell p3 1ghz, hdd yes, cpu yes, no ram, but its cheap enough |
| 16:55.59 | mindjuju | ram is ddr if i recall correctly |
| 16:56.35 | tierra | Thunderbird 3 Beta 2 is out... http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/3.0b2/releasenotes/ |
| 16:57.02 | mindjuju | fungus, i should keep a web log of it somewhere |
| 16:57.07 | herlo | mindjuju: if they are rack systems, maybe |
| 16:57.19 | mindjuju | anti-linux, anti-mac articles |
| 16:57.28 | mindjuju | nah, not rack, desktop |
| 16:57.36 | mindjuju | could be good in the try-it lab |
| 16:57.38 | SunSparc | mgeary: Anything that will run Ubuntu. |
| 16:57.50 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:58.01 | mgeary | we'll be scrapping some old G3 + G4 macs soon |
| 16:58.07 | mgeary | they don't qualify |
| 16:58.12 | mindjuju | g4? |
| 16:58.13 | mgeary | but if anyone's interested... |
| 16:58.17 | mindjuju | how much |
| 16:58.21 | mgeary | nothing |
| 16:58.29 | mgeary | gratis |
| 16:58.30 | mgeary | free |
| 16:58.32 | mgeary | umsonst |
| 16:58.39 | mgeary | kostenlos |
| 16:58.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:58.54 | mgeary | we're having to pay to have them recycled |
| 16:58.58 | mgeary | so you'd be doing us a favor |
| 17:00.39 | SunSparc | ~lart old computers |
| 17:00.39 | jbot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking old computers's head off |
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| 17:05.14 | itimber | better get into IRC before mgeary has a heart attack |
| 17:05.15 | itimber | :) |
| 17:05.38 | mgeary | too late |
| 17:06.14 | itimber | crap |
| 17:06.20 | itimber | *sigh |
| 17:06.24 | itimber | poor mgeary |
| 17:07.16 | SunSparc | ~revive mgeary |
| 17:07.17 | jbot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive mgeary |
| 17:07.28 | andrey__ | I'll just repost what I posted yesterday, when there were few people around: Hello all! I'm new to UPHPU. Would you be interested in looking at the cameras I wrote about in "Elphel camera under the hood: from Verilog to PHP" ( http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4187053130.html ) at one of your meetings? |
| 17:08.08 | mgeary | psh |
| 17:08.13 | mgeary | what do you think this is, a technology group? |
| 17:08.31 | SunSparc | Seriously, tell us more about Charlie the Unicorn |
| 17:08.37 | mgeary | this is the utah potato & ham producers union |
| 17:08.43 | mgeary | #uphpu for short |
| 17:08.45 | SunSparc | LOL!!! |
| 17:08.52 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 17:09.33 | SunSparc | mgeary: That was quite witty. You actually got me to laugh out loud. |
| 17:09.52 | thebigdog | andrey__, you have done hdl programming on fpga boards? |
| 17:09.54 | SunSparc | andrey__: Welcome to UPHPU. :) |
| 17:10.49 | andrey__ | thebigdog: yes, that was the part of the job, sure |
| 17:11.11 | beandog | charleeeeee |
| 17:11.35 | thebigdog | so did you get an fpga board created for this solution? |
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| 17:12.02 | andrey__ | That was another part of the job :-) |
| 17:12.19 | thebigdog | oh killer...i have been really interested in hdl and fpga |
| 17:13.15 | SunSparc | beandog: :) We are on a bridge Charlieeeee |
| 17:13.17 | thebigdog | i would be very interested in your presentation...i am not sure how many others would be too |
| 17:13.31 | thebigdog | im very interested in doing some php stuff on fpga |
| 17:13.35 | SunSparc | thebigdog: I would be interested. |
| 17:13.52 | SunSparc | _psychic_ might also be interested, but I am not authorized to speak for him. |
| 17:14.03 | thebigdog | i have been toying with the idea of doing streaming video on fpga with php hooks |
| 17:14.45 | andrey__ | I'll be happy to meet the PHP crowd too |
| 17:14.54 | beandog | geek lunch! |
| 17:14.56 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: have you ever looked at the arduino? |
| 17:15.17 | SunSparc | I love the idea of mixing software with hardware and seemingly disparate technologies |
| 17:15.40 | thebigdog | _psychic_, yeah those little things are awesome |
| 17:16.01 | _psychic_ | I've not done HDL since school |
| 17:16.10 | _psychic_ | mmm k-maps |
| 17:16.26 | thebigdog | oh yeah...i have been looking and doing some gps stuff with hdl |
| 17:16.27 | beandog | SunSparc, wouldnt that just be firmware? |
| 17:16.32 | andrey__ | arduino? Not really. I'm mostly hardware guy myself, so we build our own |
| 17:16.34 | thebigdog | doing like geo type stuff |
| 17:16.36 | beandog | or something |
| 17:17.24 | thebigdog | andrey__, PM mindjuju and see if he can set something up for a presentation |
| 17:17.28 | andrey__ | Yep, we have options with compass inside+GPS attached, each frame of the video has Exif geo-coded data |
| 17:17.31 | SunSparc | beandog: software interactive with and controlling hardware |
| 17:17.46 | thebigdog | andrey__, that is very cool stuff |
| 17:17.56 | andrey__ | I hope so :-) |
| 17:18.26 | andrey__ | And it is all controlled through PHP on the top level |
| 17:19.29 | jgiboney | Anyone know how to start a phpunit_framework_testsuite? |
| 17:19.32 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: been eyeing this stuff for a while: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=4 |
| 17:20.12 | thebigdog | those gps devices are nice |
| 17:21.03 | andrey__ | We used just regular Garmin USB 18, later added generic serial ones with NMEA |
| 17:21.50 | andrey__ | like shown here - http://www3.elphel.com/nc353_369_geo |
| 17:22.17 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.22 | thebigdog | _psychic_, i have been wanting to get one of these kits - http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards/s3_sk_promo.htm#starter |
| 17:22.43 | andrey__ | Unfortunately we do not have any nice software that can mash-up maps.google.com with the geo-tagged video - that could be fun |
| 17:23.58 | thebigdog | andrey__, have you check out openlayers |
| 17:24.06 | thebigdog | that might really give you some killer features |
| 17:24.26 | thebigdog | i did tons of imaging for a company and we used openlayers to handle all our presentation of the images |
| 17:24.37 | thebigdog | we had them all served up with mapserver |
| 17:24.56 | thebigdog | then used postgis for the database to handle all the geospacing |
| 17:25.00 | thebigdog | killer stuff |
| 17:25.12 | thebigdog | i would love to run some processing of the images on fpga boards |
| 17:25.31 | beandog | man the wind is blowing so hard its shaking the windows |
| 17:25.41 | thebigdog | beandog, where you at? |
| 17:25.47 | beandog | SLC |
| 17:26.02 | thebigdog | andrey__, great article by the way... |
| 17:26.15 | thebigdog | eggyknap, are they local |
| 17:26.21 | eggyknap | No, based in Brooklyn |
| 17:28.11 | thebigdog | nice |
| 17:28.15 | thebigdog | i really like it a lot |
| 17:29.20 | thebigdog | mindjuju, it might be worthwhile to have andrey__ give a presentation...check with him and see |
| 17:29.31 | thebigdog | it might be pretty indepth though |
| 17:29.42 | thebigdog | but there might be some really good things come out of it |
| 17:30.49 | eggyknap | "In depth"? You mean it can't just gloss over the hard details? Sounds like no fun at all! :) |
| 17:33.21 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:43.13 | andrey__ | we have exact coordinates on Elphel "contacts" page |
| 17:44.26 | andrey__ | 40.723200, -111.932450 |
| 17:46.00 | andrey__ | thebigdog: openlayers could probably work - I'm just trying to find people who would have fun playing with it it to it better that I would |
| 17:46.15 | thebigdog | i hear ya |
| 17:51.07 | andrey__ | And thanks fro the nice words |
| 17:51.17 | andrey__ | about the article |
| 18:03.26 | DexterTheDragon | _carmony: what do we wants? |
| 18:05.05 | _carmony | I dunno, you in Ogden today? :P |
| 18:05.19 | DexterTheDragon | I am actually |
| 18:06.52 | _carmony | awesome, maybe itimber could make an apperance too :P |
| 18:07.14 | SunSparc | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504125,00.html |
| 18:07.50 | mgeary | that's a copycat crime |
| 18:07.59 | mgeary | 'nother guy called 911 last week about something similar |
| 18:08.53 | _carmony | do you like chinese DexterTheDragon ? |
| 18:09.07 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 18:09.47 | _carmony | there is eastern winds on Washington |
| 18:11.46 | DexterTheDragon | I'd be down for that |
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| 18:13.38 | mgeary | ~poke _carmony |
| 18:13.39 | jbot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind _carmony, pokes _carmony repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:13.42 | _carmony | lol :P |
| 18:17.41 | redroy_ | great song |
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| 18:31.07 | thebigdog | man merging in svn really chaps my *&^ |
| 18:31.36 | eggyknap | ~lart svn for not being git |
| 18:31.36 | jbot | slaps svn upside the head with a wet fish for not being git |
| 18:32.09 | thebigdog | since i have switched to git i feel my life is easier...i have no fear of branching code |
| 18:32.15 | thebigdog | what a relief that is |
| 18:32.39 | dataw0lf | mmmm git |
| 18:34.45 | SunSparc | ~dict git |
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| 18:41.31 | mgeary | mindjuju: ping |
| 18:42.25 | mindjuju | pong |
| 18:56.02 | itimber | carmony: today's bad for me, lots of meetings... I'll take a raincheck though. Loved the last lunch we did, would love to do it again. |
| 18:56.23 | itimber | dang... missed him |
| 18:56.39 | itimber | oh... _carmony: read the above |
| 19:01.52 | _carmony | sounds good :) |
| 19:02.09 | _carmony | just wanted to extend the invite itimber :) |
| 19:02.22 | itimber | appreciate that man |
| 19:02.59 | itimber | this market sucks for leisure time |
| 19:03.10 | itimber | was working 45-50 hrs before |
| 19:03.10 | _carmony | lol amen |
| 19:03.17 | itimber | now it's +10 at least |
| 19:03.53 | itimber | hit me up next time though man, would love to hang out |
| 19:23.44 | mindjuju | mgeary, i'm here |
| 19:23.50 | mgeary | yeah, i got it |
| 19:23.53 | mgeary | thanks, though |
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| 19:40.29 | beandog | anyone know a good resource to map user agents to browers, kinda similar to how awstats does |
| 19:46.18 | bradym | beandog: http://browsers.garykeith.com/ maybe will be useful? |
| 19:46.35 | beandog | yah, browscap.ini |
| 19:46.37 | beandog | thanks |
| 19:46.42 | beandog | I forgot about get_browser() |
| 19:46.57 | beandog | should work |
| 19:47.06 | beandog | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; GTB5; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618) |
| 19:47.14 | beandog | in the meantime, im pretty sure that's IE 7 |
| 19:47.57 | bradym | yeah, that's what the user agent checker says - http://browsers.garykeith.com/tools/agent-checker.asp |
| 19:49.09 | beandog | ah, very awesome, thanks bradym |
| 19:49.24 | bradym | np |
| 19:49.56 | beandog | I got thrown off by Mozilla 4.0 |
| 19:53.51 | cro | ~seen mindjuju |
| 19:53.54 | jbot | mindjuju is currently on #utos (1d 19h 6m 53s) #uphpu (1d 19h 6m 53s) #ubuntu-us-ut (1d 19h 6m 53s). Has said a total of 180 messages. Is idling for 30m 10s, last said: 'mgeary, i'm here'. |
| 19:54.13 | mindjuju | i'm here cro |
| 19:54.29 | cro | any consensus on geek lunch Friday? |
| 19:54.54 | mindjuju | not much of one, got any ideas? |
| 19:55.18 | cro | I liked the downtown SLC options, I have to go to the hospital to see some kids so it would work out well for me. |
| 19:55.43 | mindjuju | this friday at say 1ish work for ya? |
| 19:55.52 | mindjuju | are you still thinking buca? |
| 19:57.04 | cro | Buca is fine. Earlier would be better, I have to be back in Layton around 2-2:30 |
| 19:57.52 | mindjuju | fungus, do you think you can do buca @ 12:30 in downtown SLC? |
| 19:58.16 | fungus | sure |
| 19:58.57 | mindjuju | man, sounds like of roof is being swept off by the wind |
| 19:59.01 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 19:59.14 | mindjuju | can you and your crew do lunch @ 12:30 @ buca? |
| 19:59.47 | mindjuju | which would include dexterthedragon, mrcrow (if he were here) |
| 19:59.54 | mindjuju | thebigdog |
| 20:00.00 | mindjuju | you're in the SLC, arent ya? |
| 20:00.26 | beandog | thebigdog is where thebigdog needs to be. |
| 20:00.42 | mindjuju | and never a moment too late, but always on time |
| 20:00.52 | mindjuju | beandog, you're in the slc too, aren't you? |
| 20:01.04 | beandog | yahp, Im right next to the aeropuerto |
| 20:01.20 | mindjuju | can you do buca in the SLC on friday @ 12:30? |
| 20:01.43 | beandog | puesto que si |
| 20:01.56 | mindjuju | ah que bien |
| 20:02.16 | beandog | do they have good burgers? |
| 20:02.16 | mindjuju | (my spanish has been off ever since i learned chinese, bien doesn't look right) |
| 20:02.17 | beandog | :) |
| 20:02.38 | mindjuju | no burgers, but killer italian food |
| 20:02.42 | beandog | ooh |
| 20:02.44 | beandog | I love italian. |
| 20:03.20 | mindjuju | herlo |
| 20:03.23 | beandog | heh |
| 20:03.26 | beandog | and thats about all. |
| 20:03.58 | mindjuju | josephscott, you're close to downtown SLC, arent you? |
| 20:04.09 | josephscott | sandy |
| 20:04.09 | mindjuju | can you do buca at downtown slc @ 12:30p? |
| 20:04.22 | josephscott | that was 1/2 hour ago |
| 20:04.30 | mindjuju | oh, i mean on friday |
| 20:04.53 | josephscott | where's the buca in down town? |
| 20:05.42 | mindjuju | 202 West 300 South |
| 20:05.50 | mindjuju | 84101 |
| 20:06.20 | beandog | I wonder if they have shakes |
| 20:06.22 | mindjuju | i think it's one up and one back from xmission |
| 20:06.31 | mindjuju | beandog, they have awesome italian sodas |
| 20:06.36 | mindjuju | don't know about shakes though |
| 20:06.36 | josephscott | I'd be a maybe, I've already done a fair bit of running around this week |
| 20:06.37 | beandog | whats that? |
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| 20:07.45 | mindjuju | es muy bueno |
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| 20:09.59 | mindjuju | sorry about that, this instll of xp is dying fast |
| 20:10.15 | mindjuju | beandog - italian soda is muy bueno |
| 20:10.30 | beandog | mindjuju, whats up with your network issues? |
| 20:10.44 | mindjuju | well, not really network issues, its bloat in xp |
| 20:10.59 | mindjuju | i have an app or a tsr with a crazy memory leak |
| 20:11.30 | mindjuju | so if i leave my computer on all night, the explorer process will continue to leak memory until its finally 1g in size |
| 20:11.33 | herlo | mindjuju: yes? |
| 20:11.35 | cro | mindjuju: "tsr"--you are dating yourself. :-) |
| 20:11.51 | mindjuju | herlo, can you do buca in the SLC on friday @ 12:#0 |
| 20:11.58 | cro | prob a bad Explorer shell extension |
| 20:12.04 | mindjuju | cro, aren't they still called TSR? |
| 20:12.05 | herlo | mindjuju: sure, but I was going to make a suggestion of The Soup Kitchen :) |
| 20:12.14 | herlo | http://slcsoup.com/ |
| 20:12.25 | beandog | wow, havent heard tsr in years. |
| 20:12.27 | cro | I'm not picky, either restaurant is fine with me. |
| 20:12.41 | mindjuju | soup could be fun |
| 20:12.45 | mindjuju | if we have buy in from the group |
| 20:12.46 | beandog | ~tsr |
| 20:12.47 | jbot | somebody said tsr was Terminate Stay Resident, the only way DOS can multitask. |
| 20:13.04 | herlo | it's right next to the train station at 1300 S |
| 20:13.07 | cro | No wonder mindjuju can't stay connected, he's running DOS. |
| 20:13.07 | mindjuju | im sure fungus would be game for it (pretty sure they have a veggie option) |
| 20:13.13 | herlo | yep, they do |
| 20:13.18 | herlo | and they have lots of sandwiches |
| 20:13.36 | mindjuju | poor dataw0lf though |
| 20:13.40 | mindjuju | i know he likes the place |
| 20:13.55 | herlo | ya |
| 20:14.01 | herlo | poor guy should move back to Utah |
| 20:14.30 | beandog | cro, lols |
| 20:14.31 | mindjuju | k, so beandog, herlo, fungus, josephscott, cro, are ya'll all game then for slcsoup ? |
| 20:14.41 | beandog | mindjuju, no bucco? |
| 20:14.44 | cro | mindjuju: count me in. |
| 20:14.53 | fungus | Is there more than one Soup Kitchen. I usually go to the one on 1100 E 2100 S |
| 20:15.05 | beandog | fungus, is that the homeless one? |
| 20:15.09 | josephscott | not familiar with it |
| 20:15.12 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 20:15.37 | herlo | fungus: yes, there is |
| 20:15.47 | herlo | fungus: we could go to any of them, I don't care, they are all good! |
| 20:15.48 | mindjuju | herlo, not sure that's the one that dataw0lf likes |
| 20:15.49 | unum | beandog: I think that one's at 500w and 200s |
| 20:15.52 | fungus | ahh, I love that place |
| 20:16.01 | beandog | unum, which one is that, I forget the name |
| 20:16.09 | mindjuju | josephscott, here is URL http://slcsoup.com/ |
| 20:16.09 | unum | st vincent de paul |
| 20:16.11 | beandog | I wanna say Salt Lake Mission, but that doesnt sound right. |
| 20:16.18 | josephscott | which location? |
| 20:16.18 | beandog | some weird name. |
| 20:16.24 | beandog | maybe its 3rd west. |
| 20:16.30 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/the-soup-kitchen |
| 20:16.45 | herlo | that's got the map and the link to the site |
| 20:16.48 | beandog | bah. can't remember. |
| 20:17.24 | mindjuju | k, so we all good for this on 12:30? Soup Kitchen as located here? http://tinyurl.com/the-soup-kitchen |
| 20:17.26 | herlo | well, maybe not the website link, goofy google |
| 20:17.46 | cro | yes |
| 20:17.51 | beandog | ++ |
| 20:18.16 | herlo | ~the-soup-kitchen++ |
| 20:18.17 | beandog | Utah_Dave, do you get goo dreception? mine sucks |
| 20:18.28 | herlo | what's dreception? |
| 20:18.33 | herlo | :-D |
| 20:18.42 | beandog | its how you get dcalls. |
| 20:18.43 | josephscott | let me know which location you guys decide on and we'll see what Friday looks like |
| 20:18.51 | herlo | ahh |
| 20:18.52 | cro | yeah, and I worry about anything with goo attached to it. |
| 20:19.00 | herlo | josephscott: http://tinyurl.com/the-soup-kitchen |
| 20:19.42 | mindjuju | k, i'm going to send out promo after i finish shorewall |
| 20:19.47 | mindjuju | in the interim... |
| 20:20.03 | mindjuju | that's just nuts |
| 20:20.09 | herlo | ~tinyurl mindjuju |
| 20:20.10 | jbot | ACTION runs '/exec tinyurl.sh http://maps.google.com//maps/ms?ie=UTF8&addr=mindjuju' and laughs maniacally! |
| 20:20.15 | mindjuju | nuts in the since that I wish it were mine |
| 20:20.42 | mindjuju | 4g RAM + 4ghz + 4 TB = $699 |
| 20:20.55 | mindjuju | case and mobo included |
| 20:21.49 | mindjuju | they are charging $359 for the 4x 1TB drive, less than $100 per TB drive |
| 20:23.48 | cro | NewEgg.com has Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM for $89.99 today. |
| 20:30.11 | herlo | mindjuju: nice box, I'm looking for quad core though, but I like the 4TB of drives |
| 20:30.29 | mindjuju | that does have quad core, i thought |
| 20:31.15 | mindjuju | my bad, i wrote that wrong, that's a quad core @ 2.2ghz |
| 20:31.28 | herlo | oh, you are right |
| 20:31.59 | herlo | no, its only dual core :( |
| 20:34.12 | mindjuju | here is a cnet review on the quadcore proc - http://reviews.cnet.com/processors/amd-phenom-9500-2/4505-3086_7-32763783.html |
| 20:34.24 | mindjuju | i'd prefer toms hardware review, but just picked top result |
| 20:43.06 | mindjuju | k, if i'm trying to read something called readme.debian.gz |
| 20:43.13 | mindjuju | how do i read it without seeing it all compessed? |
| 20:45.44 | herlo | gunzip |
| 20:45.47 | herlo | oh |
| 20:45.48 | herlo | zcat |
| 20:46.16 | herlo | so zcat readme.debian.gz | less would be a good approach methinks |
| 20:46.28 | herlo | zcat readme.debian.gz | less |
| 20:46.33 | fungus | zless readme.debian.gz |
| 20:46.43 | herlo | fungus: there's a zless? cool! |
| 20:46.54 | fungus | there's a ton of z* tools |
| 20:47.03 | herlo | yeah, just didn't think about it |
| 20:47.11 | herlo | makes sense |
| 20:47.13 | fungus | zcat, zless, zmore, zgrep etc |
| 20:47.34 | SunSparc | when in doubt, add a z |
| 20:47.46 | SunSparc | ~zlart |
| 20:50.06 | macnewbold | looks like the latest on lunch is friday 12:30pm at the soup kitchen (1300 E and about 2000 S IIRC?), or did I misread? |
| 20:50.15 | cro | macnewbold: you got it. |
| 20:50.47 | mindjuju | any of the CG crew want to go? |
| 20:51.12 | herlo | hehe, someone put in the wrong address, oh well, I'll go there too :) |
| 20:51.28 | herlo | oh, no I didn't |
| 20:51.35 | herlo | macnewbold: your address is wrong |
| 20:51.48 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/the-soup-kitchen |
| 20:52.04 | herlo | just west of state on 1300 S |
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| 20:58.33 | tierra | that's a pretty small place to hit right in the middle of lunch hour... |
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| 21:08.52 | unum | so let's say you are interviewing someone who claims to know php and webdev |
| 21:09.13 | unum | and you ask him how do you concatenate a string in php and javascript |
| 21:09.29 | unum | is that reasonable? |
| 21:09.36 | tierra | I'd say so |
| 21:09.38 | beandog | unum, thats like, uber basic. |
| 21:09.49 | tierra | I'd be testing a lot more than that myself |
| 21:09.57 | tierra | but if they can't do that, you don't want them |
| 21:09.58 | unum | how about if you ask him how would reference this div in a css file : <div id='test'> |
| 21:10.04 | beandog | unum, might need to explain what concat means though |
| 21:10.20 | tierra | also very basic |
| 21:10.28 | unum | beandog: that was part of the problem, english didn't seem to be a native language |
| 21:10.37 | unum | so I think I said combine two strings |
| 21:10.51 | unum | I think I first tried to ask him in javascript |
| 21:10.55 | unum | which he said he didn't know |
| 21:11.01 | unum | so then I asked him in php |
| 21:11.19 | unum | and he said a bunch of stuff that didn't really make sense but include the phrase a+b |
| 21:11.25 | redroy_ | way too basic IMHO |
| 21:11.30 | unum | which if he had stuck to javascript I may have counted |
| 21:11.40 | tierra | heh |
| 21:11.48 | unum | well he wasn't applying for a php job, I just wanted to see if he was lying about his past experience |
| 21:11.52 | unum | because we have had issues with that |
| 21:12.23 | beandog | I think asking a few questions is getting off *way* too easy |
| 21:12.27 | beandog | have them write something original. |
| 21:12.42 | beandog | why take chances? |
| 21:12.54 | unum | I didn't get look at his resume before hand, so I didn't have a chance to ask him to write something |
| 21:12.58 | tierra | I know many companies actually have competency tests |
| 21:13.03 | unum | I didn't know he was going to claim to know php |
| 21:13.46 | unum | we have a job where we plan to train the people on what they need to do, but the more computer experience they have, the better |
| 21:14.08 | beandog | ah, okay |
| 21:14.18 | unum | so I was asked to join the interview because my manager felt like she had been misled my some previous people about their past experience |
| 21:14.25 | unum | ya I should have explained better |
| 21:14.38 | unum | but he claimed to have php development experience |
| 21:16.48 | tierra | PHP is pretty unique in string concatenation... I'd think someone with "php dev experience" would rememeber "A" . "B" |
| 21:17.19 | tierra | I don't actually know any other languages that do it the same way |
| 21:17.52 | unum | perl does |
| 21:18.20 | unum | that's part of why I chose that question |
| 21:18.35 | unum | it's something you do constantly when doing a database backed php site |
| 21:18.57 | unum | and it's unique to php |
| 21:18.57 | tierra | yeah, I don't think there's much you do that you can get away without using . |
| 21:19.31 | redroy_ | I agree, if he was a php developer at any point I would think he'd remember that. |
| 21:24.50 | redroy_ | Is there a way to conditionalize if a row is returned (in mysql) if a column or columns have null ? So in this example http://pastebin.com/d28574431 if tbl_2.type is NOT null and tbl_3.user_id IS null I don't want that row returned...? |
| 21:25.19 | mgeary | isnull() |
| 21:25.30 | mgeary | where isnull(table.field) |
| 21:29.02 | tierra | is_null() is pretty touchy ime, make sure you know what it returns for just about every type of value you can throw at it... "0", 0, 1, initialized int variable 0, uninitialized variables, nulled variables (unset(), emptied arrays, etc)... |
| 21:29.31 | tierra | you don't have to be that thorough, but yeah, it's touchy |
| 21:29.35 | mgeary | not talking about php |
| 21:29.38 | mgeary | i'm talking about mysql |
| 21:29.45 | tierra | oh |
| 21:29.45 | beandog | does mysql support case? |
| 21:29.55 | beandog | you can do if (column) |
| 21:30.03 | beandog | I think returns true on non-null, non-empty |
| 21:30.13 | mgeary | yeah, but that won't change the number of rows you receive |
| 21:30.13 | beandog | where column; |
| 21:30.22 | mgeary | he wants to suppress rows |
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| 21:33.33 | tierra | I somehow got myself in a position where I had a helper function that took an array of values to either create or update a record in the DB, and I started running into some crazy problems with NULL values and trying to represent them as NULL in PHP too, heh... it was a mess |
| 21:33.46 | mgeary | null is a tricky thing |
| 21:33.55 | mgeary | i try to avoid it whenever possible |
| 21:34.06 | mgeary | but it's useful in outer joins to find nonmatching data |
| 21:34.34 | tierra | there were cases where say is_null(something) would return different results than using "something === NULL" |
| 21:34.50 | beandog | postgres doesn't have an ISNULL function |
| 21:36.08 | _carmony | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 21:36.08 | jbot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at DexterTheDragon |
| 21:37.35 | dataw0lf | tierra: PHP's type and comparison system is a wrangled mess of dashed hopes and unmet intentions. |
| 21:38.40 | beandog | I kinda like it. |
| 21:38.49 | dataw0lf | compared to what? |
| 21:38.55 | beandog | mmm, apricots. |
| 21:39.17 | beandog | dataw0lf, well, I dont like how *other* people use it. |
| 21:39.26 | beandog | but I know what if($var) will check for, so I use it there |
| 21:39.32 | mindjuju | fungus, here is another - http://www.pcworld.com/article/159413/microsoft_web_services.html |
| 21:39.33 | beandog | but I like to do strict checks |
| 21:39.43 | beandog | is_null, is_empty, etc. |
| 21:39.50 | mindjuju | from the same website that posted the anti-mac slightly pro MS article you posted |
| 21:39.58 | mindjuju | this just got dugg |
| 21:40.19 | utahcon | anyone here have any knowledge on making themes for WordPress, specifically MU and 2.7? |
| 21:40.41 | beandog | dataw0lf, I like bash's type checking |
| 21:40.46 | beandog | that'sa bout the only other one Ive used much |
| 21:40.49 | redroy_ | cool, thanks mgeary I got the results I wanted with this: http://pastebin.com/m74903ec8 |
| 21:41.24 | mgeary | great |
| 21:41.28 | mgeary | thebigdog: ping |
| 21:42.15 | utahcon | _psychic_: you've done themes? Do you know if it is possible to make a theme where the CSS can be edited per blog? |
| 21:42.32 | _psychic_ | not offhand |
| 21:42.40 | utahcon | hmmm... ok. |
| 21:42.41 | utahcon | cool, thanks. |
| 21:42.52 | _psychic_ | you want to make a plugin where people modify the CSS? |
| 21:43.18 | utahcon | I had a plugin like that before... not sure what happened to it... |
| 21:43.28 | utahcon | I'll figure it out ;) |
| 21:43.31 | utahcon | thanks |
| 21:47.59 | mgeary | ~headache |
| 21:48.00 | jbot | not tonight mgeary, I've got a modem. |
| 21:48.05 | mgeary | hahah |
| 21:50.17 | mindjuju | i think birthing is a beautiful thing, but somehow... this is just weird -- http://www.hollywoodlife.net/default.aspx?utm_source=vc3&utm_medium=01&utm_campaign=hl |
| 21:51.09 | DexterTheDragon | _carmony: speak of the devil, got home and my eee pc was on the doorstep |
| 21:51.51 | _carmony | LOL, too funny |
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| 22:22.08 | DexterTheDragon | wow killed the conversation there |
| 22:22.13 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 22:22.14 | jbot | decapitates andrey conan the destroyer style |
| 22:22.36 | DexterTheDragon | ah jbot attacking the new people |
| 22:28.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:28.46 | SunSparc | It is called, initiation. |
| 22:31.17 | DexterTheDragon | and now for initiation, beheading |
| 22:35.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:48.47 | _carmony | lol |
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| 22:51.18 | beandog | wow |
| 22:51.20 | beandog | this clif bar is nasty. |
| 22:51.35 | beandog | where do they get these flavors |
| 22:54.59 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
| 22:55.27 | SunSparc | ~clean beandog |
| 22:55.28 | jbot | ACTION nukes beandog's room and says to beandog: Und zie problem is solved |
| 22:55.47 | beandog | heh |
| 23:01.29 | orsonj | so, are there any search engines that will let you search for terms with punctuation? |
| 23:06.44 | beandog | google sucks in that regard. |
| 23:06.57 | beandog | orsonj, if you find one, let us know |
| 23:18.57 | *** join/#uphpu _polto_ (n=polto@adslgva0879.worldcom.ch) |
| 23:41.34 | beandog | thats odd, this browscap.ini doesn't support seamonkey |
| 23:41.34 | beandog | :@ |
| 23:41.36 | beandog | or mine |
| 23:42.07 | beandog | oh, new Gecko version |
| 23:42.18 | beandog | that there'll do it. |