| 00:09.49 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
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| 00:36.33 | SunSparc | MEOW!!!!!!! |
| 00:38.26 | DexterTheDragon | RAWR!!!!!!! |
| 00:38.36 | DexterTheDragon | ~meow |
| 00:38.37 | jbot | jbot: woem |
| 01:06.19 | DexterTheDragon | ~dice |
| 01:06.29 | DexterTheDragon | ~roll |
| 01:06.30 | jbot | dexterthedragon rolls (35) |
| 01:17.00 | fungus | ~roll 2d20 |
| 01:17.01 | jbot | ACTION stuffs 2d20 in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain |
| 01:18.13 | fungus | ~dice 2d20 |
| 01:18.34 | DexterTheDragon | ~dice 2d6 |
| 01:18.44 | DexterTheDragon | thats what I was looking for |
| 01:19.11 | josephscott | ~dice 3d44 |
| 01:19.53 | DexterTheDragon | ~dice 14d79 |
| 01:20.25 | fungus | ~dice d1 |
| 01:20.30 | fungus | ~dice 1d1 |
| 01:20.49 | fungus | ~dice 1d2 |
| 01:20.49 | DexterTheDragon | well fungus broke it |
| 01:21.24 | fungus | So jbot understands a 79 sided die, but not a 1-sided? wtf? |
| 01:21.49 | DexterTheDragon | you can't roll one side |
| 01:21.52 | josephscott | ~dice 29d123456789 |
| 01:21.55 | DexterTheDragon | it doesn't roll |
| 01:22.13 | josephscott | ~jbot give yourself a raise |
| 01:22.14 | jbot | ACTION gives a raise to yourself |
| 01:22.38 | josephscott | ~jbot give jbot a raise |
| 01:22.38 | jbot | ACTION gives a raise to jbot |
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| 01:50.01 | beandog | wow, mdb2 is a pain. |
| 01:50.11 | beandog | but it hurts so good. |
| 01:50.12 | beandog | :( |
| 01:50.30 | beandog | I can't get auto-convert to NULLs turned off |
| 01:50.44 | beandog | Im going to go eat ice cream. |
| 01:53.08 | carmony_ | ~lart beandog |
| 01:53.08 | jbot | changes beandog's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 01:53.15 | carmony_ | better? ;) |
| 01:54.19 | carmony_ | ~lart mindjuju |
| 01:54.19 | jbot | steals mindjuju's mojo |
| 01:54.49 | beandog | I think Im gonna go back to DB |
| 01:57.22 | beandog | oh man |
| 01:57.29 | beandog | I was editing the wrong db connection file. |
| 01:57.30 | beandog | -_- |
| 01:57.35 | beandog | maybe I should go back to bed |
| 02:04.02 | beandog | you know what we need |
| 02:04.05 | beandog | #uphpu t-shirts. |
| 02:04.08 | beandog | mindjuju, get on taht |
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| 02:14.58 | carmony_ | ~lart herlo |
| 02:14.58 | jbot | keeps mailing herlo free America Online CDs until he drowns |
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| 02:17.11 | utahcon1 | blam! I is here! |
| 02:17.26 | utahcon1 | with a 1! I rock... I'm #1, I'm #1 |
| 02:17.56 | fungus2 | I'm #2 w00t |
| 02:18.02 | utahcon1 | look at you! |
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| 02:23.40 | herlo | carmony_: why? |
| 02:23.50 | herlo | ~kill carmony_ |
| 02:23.51 | jbot | ACTION shoots a charged meson gun at carmony_ |
| 02:24.01 | carmony_ | lol |
| 02:24.06 | herlo | mindjuju: streaming too? |
| 02:28.51 | mindjuj1 | i was trying to get something up this time |
| 02:29.02 | mindjuj1 | was actually wasting time adding a second camera, but then forgot it |
| 02:29.16 | mindjuj1 | as in, oops, camera at home |
| 02:29.20 | mindjuj1 | :( |
| 02:31.31 | mindjuj1 | but i need to find out what streams to shoutcast |
| 02:33.15 | utahcon1 | we are streaming? Dang... hope I don't cough to hard. |
| 02:33.39 | mindjuj1 | utahcon1 - well we aren't streaming live, but i'm recording eerything to broadcast |
| 02:34.31 | utahcon1 | I will attempt to keep it down... |
| 02:34.32 | mindjuj1 | i need to take my whole setup home and finish the setup over the weekend |
| 02:35.03 | mindjuj1 | i wouldn't worry too much about it, that mic is REALLY good about picking up the speaker, and not too much else feets away |
| 02:35.21 | utahcon1 | fine! I will cough harder :D |
| 02:36.25 | utahcon1 | so I ask occasionally and never get a yes, anyone here using flourish? |
| 02:39.23 | utahcon1 | wouldn't Live Headers in firefox do the same thing/ |
| 02:39.49 | mindjuj1 | utahcon1, you should ask |
| 02:43.54 | herlo | mindjuj1: using linux? |
| 02:44.58 | mindjuj1 | what about linux/ |
| 02:45.06 | herlo | if you are, you can use Darkice, I'm going to be the maintainer next week |
| 02:45.11 | herlo | for streaming |
| 02:45.51 | utahcon1 | herlo: how do you find time? |
| 02:46.11 | herlo | utahcon1: I do it at work while looking busy |
| 02:46.13 | herlo | :) |
| 02:46.35 | utahcon1 | If I had any clue where that was or who your boss was... I wouldn't tell :D |
| 02:47.17 | herlo | but really, I didn't have much else in my life until recently, so I spent the past couple years building and learning |
| 02:47.34 | utahcon1 | ncie |
| 02:47.37 | utahcon1 | nice |
| 02:53.19 | herlo | mindjuj1: so are you using linux to stream? |
| 02:53.28 | herlo | or wish to? |
| 02:54.01 | mindjuj1 | yeah, i'd love to stream with my laptop |
| 02:54.08 | mindjuj1 | and it's runnig linux |
| 02:54.10 | mindjuj1 | ubuntu |
| 02:54.18 | herlo | mindjuj1: k, we'll talk about darkice when you get ready to convert :) |
| 02:54.25 | mindjuj1 | k |
| 02:54.46 | mindjuj1 | i'm prolly going to take apart the whole process of capture and streaming this weekend and get it ahmmered out |
| 02:55.21 | herlo | k, but I'll be at SCaLE this weekend so I'll have to talk to yo ulater on about ti |
| 02:55.24 | herlo | it |
| 02:55.28 | mindjuj1 | k |
| 03:08.27 | utahcon1 | fungus: what do you use on *nix? |
| 03:09.12 | carmony_ | ~lart herlo |
| 03:09.12 | jbot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to herlo, and goes postal |
| 03:09.20 | carmony_ | I got to get one more in |
| 03:09.26 | carmony_ | before the meeting ends :P |
| 03:09.47 | fungus | LiveHTTPheaders Addon for Firefox |
| 03:10.30 | utahcon1 | I knew it! |
| 03:10.31 | utahcon1 | lol |
| 03:11.33 | utahcon1 | herlo seems to be doing a bunch of bitching tonight |
| 03:11.52 | utahcon1 | JosephScott is the hero of WP |
| 03:14.22 | herlo | ~lart utahcon1 |
| 03:14.22 | jbot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses utahcon1's head to break the homerun record |
| 03:14.39 | herlo | ~whallop carmony_ |
| 03:14.40 | jbot | ACTION gets her boyfriend herlo to whallop carmony_ until carmony_ whimpers like a little girl! |
| 03:14.53 | utahcon1 | I didn't know jbot was a girl |
| 03:14.56 | fungus | ~gender |
| 03:14.57 | jbot | I'm male |
| 03:14.59 | carmony_ | lol |
| 03:15.05 | utahcon1 | oh know |
| 03:15.14 | herlo | fungus: no matter what jbot says, she's a girl |
| 03:15.18 | fungus | ~gender |
| 03:15.19 | jbot | I'm female |
| 03:15.31 | fungus | I just think it's both |
| 03:15.33 | herlo | http://fedora-tutorials.com/2007/10/18/why-is-blootbot-ibotinfobotjbot-a-girl/ |
| 03:15.38 | herlo | fungus: ^^ |
| 03:15.49 | carmony_ | transgender, based on the UTC Timestamp if its odd or even ;) |
| 03:16.28 | carmony_ | imagine changing your gender every second... |
| 03:17.37 | herlo | ~ignore carmony_ |
| 03:17.38 | jbot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, carmony_!" |
| 03:18.16 | carmony_ | lol |
| 03:19.43 | mrkrow | carmony is the eclipse editor? |
| 03:19.59 | mrkrow | *the = that |
| 03:20.36 | utahcon1 | eclipse is the bomb! |
| 03:20.45 | utahcon1 | Anyone else use Eclipse + Dropbox? |
| 03:20.48 | utahcon1 | I love it |
| 03:21.01 | mrkrow | I used to use it but it looks so different. Been awhile since I have used it |
| 03:21.19 | utahcon1 | what version you using carmony? |
| 03:21.26 | utahcon1 | what version you using carmony_? |
| 03:21.43 | mrkrow | oh now he listens. I forgot the _ |
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| 03:21.56 | carmony_ | yes |
| 03:22.00 | carmony_ | Zend Studio |
| 03:22.02 | carmony_ | 6.1 |
| 03:22.03 | utahcon1 | what?! |
| 03:22.04 | fungus | Dropbox is the bomb |
| 03:22.14 | utahcon1 | You paid for Zend Studio... silly. |
| 03:22.18 | fungus | eclipse + Dropbox sounds awesome. |
| 03:22.25 | fungus | Never ocurred to me though |
| 03:22.26 | carmony_ | LOL, I didn't pay for it :P |
| 03:22.35 | utahcon1 | Actually Zend Studio is slick... really slick if you are running Zend Servers |
| 03:22.35 | carmony_ | My company did |
| 03:23.09 | utahcon1 | fungus: I did a write up about it, it is simple http://utahcon.com/blog/dropbox-eclipse-awesome.html |
| 03:23.25 | fungus | cool, i'll chex it out |
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| 04:39.12 | herlo | you should stop... |
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| 15:09.24 | utahcon | morning |
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| 15:46.56 | carmony | morning :P |
| 15:47.08 | carmony | hey, its utahcon, aka beer man ;) |
| 15:49.50 | utahcon | ;) |
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| 16:27.52 | mindjuju | strick9, sup bro |
| 16:27.59 | mindjuju | good to see ya yesterday at the meet |
| 16:28.09 | strick9 | not too much, meeting was great |
| 16:28.29 | strick9 | how was applebees? |
| 16:30.24 | mindjuju | awesome, we stayed until like 12:10 or so |
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| 16:30.39 | mindjuju | we got kicked out and milled around the hparking lot for 10 min, but too cold |
| 16:30.41 | mindjuju | so we split |
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| 16:31.50 | strick9 | thats awesome, I'll stay around for that next week, too much homework lately |
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| 16:32.17 | mindjuju | can completely understand |
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| 16:32.37 | mindjuju | i've got to take off for a broadcast i have to do, be back in like 45min |
| 16:32.52 | strick9 | alright, talk to ya later |
| 16:35.22 | carmony | I got back at like 1 am :P |
| 16:35.47 | *** topic/#UPHPU by thebigdog -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 16:40.10 | strick9 | carmony where do you work at? |
| 16:40.25 | carmony | I work from home doing contract work |
| 16:40.37 | carmony | right now I'm doing most of my work for datingdna.com |
| 16:42.30 | strick9 | thats the way to be! |
| 16:42.50 | strick9 | pretty cool, do you stay pretty busy with it? |
| 16:43.02 | carmony | very :) |
| 16:45.27 | carmony | where are you going to school again? |
| 16:45.50 | strick9 | neumont, its in south jordan |
| 16:46.11 | strick9 | about 300 students, they do a lot of .net and java |
| 16:46.28 | strick9 | strictly computer science |
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| 16:47.07 | itimber | sup guys |
| 16:47.16 | carmony | very cool strick9 |
| 16:47.34 | strick9 | hey itimber |
| 16:47.37 | carmony | what you hope to do when you graduate? Web Development, Web Design? |
| 16:49.16 | strick9 | I'm not sure I've done a fair amount of php an my own but C# and c++ in school |
| 16:49.28 | strick9 | design is out of the question though ;) |
| 16:50.41 | carmony | lol, not a porblem ;) Even if you're a "php developer", coding in other languages helps you learn do be a more robout developer :) |
| 16:54.17 | strick9 | definitely, I think I've learned more about php from c++ than from php itself, its so easy to be sloppy and just let php do the work for you |
| 16:55.05 | strick9 | but with c++ you've got to plan like mad to get anything done, something i should do more in php! |
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| 16:57.06 | strick9 | i guess it fixes my mindset, keeps me from being lazy |
| 16:58.57 | mgeary | yes, i'm under the impression that C++ and Java developers have to write far too much code to let them grow lazy |
| 16:59.05 | mgeary | ~lart memory management |
| 16:59.05 | jbot | stamps memory management on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 17:00.03 | thebigdog | mgeary, java doesnt have memory management |
| 17:00.14 | mgeary | point taken |
| 17:00.34 | mgeary | but you've gotta write 300 lines of code to do a Hello World |
| 17:00.44 | mgeary | maybe 250 |
| 17:02.13 | thebigdog | haha not that many |
| 17:02.47 | mgeary | no, but you concede the point |
| 17:02.54 | strick9 | lol, but yeah |
| 17:18.19 | dataw0lf | the problem in Java isn't really the required lines to get anything done, it's the COP oop approach. You can't fit every object into a class (or your whole namespace and stack either). |
| 17:21.01 | carmony | COP? |
| 17:23.26 | dataw0lf | class orientated programming. |
| 17:24.52 | dataw0lf | it's the ugly second cousin of object orientated programming that often gets taught erroneously in Intro to OOP classes while using Java. |
| 17:26.10 | carmony | yeah |
| 17:26.57 | carmony | It makes somethings that would be simple in PHP, Python, etc. really complicated |
| 17:27.07 | carmony | to do in Java, C# |
| 17:28.22 | tierra | thebigdog: Java has a garbage collector... |
| 17:28.35 | mgeary | tierra: yeah, he was reminding me of that |
| 17:28.36 | strick9 | carmony, hmm, like what? |
| 17:28.47 | mgeary | strick9: shell scripts |
| 17:29.07 | thebigdog | tierra, correct...but it will clean up when it wants...you can force it but that does not mean that is will clean up what you think it will |
| 17:29.09 | mgeary | try doing a admin/shell script in python, then try doing it in java |
| 17:29.42 | mgeary | not that i should be talking. i couldn't code my way out of a paper box in java |
| 17:29.46 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, no language can fit very object into a class |
| 17:30.05 | dataw0lf | There are numerous, numerous applications of higher level programming languages that are more suitable than using C++ or Java. |
| 17:30.13 | strick9 | yeah I can see that |
| 17:30.14 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: huh? |
| 17:31.01 | carmony | strick9: Reflection :) |
| 17:31.17 | thebigdog | basically you stated "you can't fit every object into a class (or your whole namespace and stack either)." i am saying that no language can handle that in a class |
| 17:31.58 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: I'm saying that any language that enforces class usage in 99% of it's code is wrong and will corrupt you as a software engineer in the long run. |
| 17:31.59 | strick9 | c# has some sweet reflection, I don' t know about java |
| 17:32.28 | thebigdog | mgeary, java was not written to do admin/shell stuff though...but there are some os that use java for that very purpose...admin |
| 17:35.04 | carmony | strick9 but reflection in C# is complex, its not quickly done. You *can* do it, just that using the very OOP/COP nature, it requires a lot more leg work. |
| 17:35.11 | strick9 | dataw0lf: how would that corrupt you? its a different way of approaching the problem but not necessarily wrong? |
| 17:37.30 | strick9 | carmony nah, c# reflection is really pretty quick, most of anything is accessible in a line or two |
| 17:37.32 | fungus | dataw0lf has strong opinions on what is right and wrong about programming. |
| 17:37.41 | dataw0lf | strick9: well, it's wrong to me. I've had to retrain half a dozen programmers in my experience because of this sort of corruption. |
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| 17:38.07 | dataw0lf | strick9: Their code is sloppy, doesn't run well, and inelegant. |
| 17:38.40 | strick9 | inelegant, i can nod to that! |
| 17:38.55 | dataw0lf | and most of the _good_ programmers I've worked with agree with me, especially on these major points, so that gives me a certain assurance. |
| 17:38.56 | strick9 | i don't disagree but I don't think its fundamentally wrong |
| 17:39.09 | carmony | What would be a good OOP language that you would suggest learning dataw0lf? |
| 17:39.23 | dataw0lf | Python, Smalltalk |
| 17:39.28 | mgeary | python++ |
| 17:40.29 | dataw0lf | a good functional programming language (which often infers a degree of monkey-patching, which some people like), Ruby (it also has some features of the message passing paradigm that makes Smalltalk so elegant) |
| 17:42.39 | strick9 | any suggestions on code (for reading) that you like? |
| 17:44.23 | dataw0lf | wow, great question. |
| 17:45.23 | dataw0lf | Ummm code-wise, the Django middleware code is pretty awesome (it's Python). Anything why has put out in the Ruby community. The Jinja templating system is pretty. |
| 17:46.20 | dataw0lf | http://www.whytheluckystiff.net/ <- the 'why' guy, he's a great writer, of both code and prose. |
| 17:46.31 | strick9 | yeah, he's the shoes guy right? |
| 17:47.16 | dataw0lf | sure is |
| 17:47.41 | strick9 | i'll have to checkout the django code |
| 17:48.17 | dataw0lf | http://shoooes.net/ <- what strick9 is talking about if you guys haven't heard of it. |
| 17:53.32 | mindjuju | @sunsparc - http://www.rootzoo.com/videos/view/3827 |
| 17:56.52 | SunSparc | mindjuju: heh, gotta love those bounce goals. :) |
| 18:10.37 | mgeary | anyone know of any student-type programmer interested in a good part-time PHP coding job (15-20 hours/week) ? |
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| 18:14.00 | strick9 | mgeary, I've been applying for part time jobs lately |
| 18:14.18 | mgeary | we're in Utah Valley (Orem). That still work? |
| 18:15.38 | strick9 | its a little bit of a drive 25 minutes but not a problem |
| 18:16.33 | DexterTheDragon | heh 25 minutes, "little drive" |
| 18:18.01 | carmony | ^5 DexterTheDragon |
| 18:24.21 | carmony | mindjuju or DexterTheDragon, how late were you guys at Applebees? |
| 18:24.33 | DexterTheDragon | we got kicked out at midnight |
| 18:25.17 | mgeary | ~give DexterTheDragon a life |
| 18:25.18 | jbot | ACTION gives a life to DexterTheDragon |
| 18:25.27 | mgeary | oh wait |
| 18:25.36 | mgeary | ~give DexterTheDragon three kids |
| 18:25.36 | jbot | ACTION gives three kids to DexterTheDragon |
| 18:25.47 | DexterTheDragon | heh |
| 18:25.59 | mgeary | ~pester jsmith-busy |
| 18:26.00 | jbot | jsmith-busy: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf |
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| 18:54.09 | Utah_Dave | dang, mindjuju. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to leave work for the geek lunch |
| 18:54.10 | Utah_Dave | :( |
| 18:54.30 | beandog | herlo, props, that ssh-copy-id is nice. |
| 18:58.43 | wps | would there be an easy way to search for all files (recursively) that do not contain a certain string? |
| 18:59.51 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:59.54 | mgeary | just invert your egrep |
| 18:59.55 | dataw0lf | grep -RL |
| 19:00.06 | dataw0lf | grep -RL "string to match" * |
| 19:00.14 | mgeary | i thought it was -v |
| 19:00.30 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:00.37 | dataw0lf | -v is for line matching |
| 19:00.37 | mgeary | -L "files without match" |
| 19:00.38 | mgeary | nice |
| 19:00.45 | wps | awesome |
| 19:00.46 | wps | thank you |
| 19:00.50 | dataw0lf | although -L looks like it stops on the first file that matches... |
| 19:01.20 | dataw0lf | don't remember that behavior |
| 19:01.44 | mgeary | well that seems silly, since it's called "file*s* without match |
| 19:01.58 | mgeary | but that's what it says in the manpage |
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| 19:02.17 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 19:02.19 | wps | how stupid |
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| 19:13.16 | mgeary | wps: you working from home today? |
| 19:13.55 | mgeary | or do they now let you irc |
| 19:14.02 | wps | home |
| 19:14.17 | wps | nice to be free from the shackles of the iron network :) |
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| 19:35.04 | mgeary | wow |
| 19:36.55 | beandog | define loud |
| 19:37.09 | mgeary | hurts my ears |
| 19:46.42 | beandog | so how was the meeting |
| 19:47.49 | carmony | its was pretty good :) |
| 20:11.55 | carmony | man, is joseph scott not online? :P |
| 20:17.06 | dataw0lf | http://sesquipedalis.blogspot.com/2009/02/finally-use-for-twitter.html |
| 20:22.35 | herlo | (that's as I understand it) |
| 20:22.36 | herlo | . |
| 20:24.39 | beandog | dataw0lf, lols |
| 20:25.23 | dataw0lf | shaq++ |
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| 21:00.50 | beandog | hmm |
| 21:00.56 | beandog | lunch looked better before I sneezed it out |
| 21:01.22 | beandog | although, it was subway, so that's debatable. |
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| 21:13.10 | carmony | hey mindjuju |
| 21:13.42 | mindjuju | heya carmony |
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| 21:26.52 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 21:28.24 | mgeary | no, it was analog |
| 21:28.43 | wps | ~rimshot |
| 21:28.44 | jbot | ba-dum CHH |
| 21:29.10 | mgeary | ~witty mgeary |
| 21:36.22 | orsonj | But why Velveeta? |
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| 22:02.22 | strick9 | so... I've been playing around with django for a few weeks and I'm impressed with it, any php frameworks with that level of coolness? |
| 22:04.09 | dataw0lf | Cake and CodeIgniter are favorites in here, but I think most of the coolness in Django derives from Pythonic practices. |
| 22:04.24 | dataw0lf | http://americannewsproject.com/videos/food-lobby-goes-school |
| 22:04.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Just the other day you were complaining about Django's ORM. |
| 22:05.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that a genuine concern or were you just complaining. |
| 22:05.14 | dataw0lf | It's a geniune concern |
| 22:05.24 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:05.29 | dataw0lf | just because I complain about something doesn't mean it's a bad option, though. |
| 22:06.13 | Lone_Wanderer | of course |
| 22:12.55 | mindjuju | so while we are on the subject of frameworks, who here has anything good or bad to say about Zend? |
| 22:13.04 | mgeary | i've heard good things |
| 22:13.07 | mgeary | but have no firsthand experience |
| 22:13.49 | orsonj | I think Z and end have a feeling of finality, putting them both together sounds like a miserable failure. |
| 22:15.29 | orsonj | Yeah, I have only heard the name, and so that's all I can comment on. |
| 22:15.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:18.04 | orsonj | Well, I have used the tokenizer in the Zend engine... but that's just php |
| 22:31.36 | Lone_Wanderer | say, does php have any way to generate code and evaluate it at runtime? |
| 22:31.52 | strick9 | eval() |
| 22:32.00 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 22:32.12 | strick9 | np |
| 22:32.33 | Lone_Wanderer | is it still slow as sin? |
| 22:33.27 | strick9 | :) maybe... I don't know |
| 22:33.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to play with it a bit in the next few days I think. |
| 22:36.51 | beandog | orsonj, ah man |
| 22:36.54 | beandog | scout camp is the bomb. |
| 22:37.07 | strick9 | what would a... legitimate use for that be? I've heard of using it to load code from a database but it seems hackish? (and cool! but hackish) |
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| 23:06.23 | mgeary | i've come across very, very few cases where eval() is a good idea |
| 23:06.58 | mgeary | i've got a django app where i'm using an eval statement to dynamically load a module that is specified by a string |
| 23:07.16 | mgeary | but i believe the circumstances justify it |
| 23:07.29 | mgeary | storing code in a DB is a Bad Ideaâ¢, imo |
| 23:08.40 | carmony | encoded images are one thing |
| 23:08.48 | carmony | if your database gets compromised |
| 23:09.11 | carmony | or a vulnerablility is found in one of your scripts, you don't want people writing malicious code to your DB to get executed |
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| 23:11.23 | mgeary | hey, can anyone recommend a good company for home insurance? |
| 23:11.38 | mgeary | who's happy with theirs? |
| 23:12.35 | dataw0lf | mgeary: you can use __import__ instead of exec |
| 23:12.48 | mgeary | dataw0lf: example? |
| 23:12.55 | mgeary | dataw0lf: here's what i do-- |
| 23:13.18 | dataw0lf | __import__("some_module") |
| 23:13.40 | mgeary | exec("from appname.%s.models import %s" % (self.application_name,self.project_class_name)) |
| 23:14.04 | dataw0lf | ah can't use from ... import with __import__ |
| 23:14.10 | mgeary | well |
| 23:14.18 | mgeary | that's not a dealbreaker |
| 23:14.26 | mgeary | i kind of like fully-qualifying my imports |
| 23:15.24 | wps | does anyone understand why people install MAMP? |
| 23:15.28 | mgeary | no |
| 23:15.29 | wps | I'm trying to understand |
| 23:15.49 | wps | all of my coworkers have MAMP installed on their Macbooks |
| 23:15.50 | wps | I don't get it |
| 23:16.17 | wps | (a) they don't use databases (they are IXDs) and (b) if they did need MySQL, just install that |
| 23:16.24 | wps | using the entropy package isn't any more work than installing MAMP |
| 23:16.37 | wps | so why have double copies of Apache and PHP installed (and probably running) on your box? |
| 23:18.34 | mgeary | i have a master /usr/local/ directory for Intel Macs, and i simply rsync it over to other machines when needed |
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| 23:25.25 | mgeary | ~decide wps |
| 23:25.33 | wps | sorry |
| 23:25.42 | wps | a little trigger-happy |
| 23:25.54 | wps | was trying to close a window in Illustrator |
| 23:26.15 | wps | but my clicking wasn't switching apps |
| 23:53.22 | thebigdog | whoo...whoo...got my apache+git playing nice |
| 23:54.35 | wps | big the bullet and installed it, he? |
| 23:54.41 | wps | s/he/eh/ |
| 23:54.56 | wps | arg |
| 23:55.04 | wps | jbot, read my mind, will ya? |
| 23:55.07 | mgeary | ~compliment wps |
| 23:55.08 | jbot | ACTION compliments wps for mgeary |
| 23:55.12 | mgeary | psh |
| 23:55.18 | mgeary | jbot: that's a lame action |
| 23:55.29 | mgeary | jbot: forget compliment |
| 23:55.29 | jbot | mgeary: i didn't have anything called 'compliment' to forget |
| 23:55.59 | dataw0lf | oooh burn, you're so cold jbot |
| 23:57.14 | mgeary | ~literal compliment |
| 23:58.28 | mgeary | no, jbot, compliment is <action> plops himself at $1s feet with an adoring gaze and murmurs, "ooh $1, that was truly wonderful" |
| 23:58.58 | thebigdog | wps, yeah that issue with svn is really pissing me off...it is a bug with their implementation |
| 23:59.05 | thebigdog | so im not going to wait around for it |
| 23:59.22 | thebigdog | plus this gives me a reason to move forward to git for everything |