| 00:01.28 | tierra | maybe not 6... I thought it was still snowing |
| 00:01.38 | tierra | 3 in parts |
| 00:01.49 | mindjuju | yeah, we got 3 over the weekend / holiday |
| 00:01.51 | mindjuju | :( |
| 00:02.10 | mindjuju | course i didn't really see any of it as i replaced a winders proxy box for an ubuntu one |
| 00:02.43 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: that all done and running? |
| 00:02.53 | mindjuju | yeah, though i wimped out a bit |
| 00:03.04 | mindjuju | ...sigh... one day i'll do it right |
| 00:04.16 | DexterTheDragon | heh |
| 00:04.22 | mindjuju | :( |
| 00:04.31 | mindjuju | oh, plus ntop |
| 00:04.40 | mindjuju | fungus hooked me up with that, it's pretty cool |
| 00:04.44 | mindjuju | what's ipcop? |
| 00:05.08 | DexterTheDragon | linux distro designed to be a firewall |
| 00:05.20 | DexterTheDragon | http://ipcop.org/ |
| 00:05.49 | mindjuju | for about 1/10000 of a second, i thought i'd use freebsd |
| 00:06.09 | mindjuju | but then i remembered how badly freebsd kicked my but last ime |
| 00:06.14 | DexterTheDragon | then that brain cell popped and it was all good |
| 00:06.28 | josephscott | looking at potentially using freebsd for some stuff at Automattic |
| 00:06.40 | mindjuju | really? |
| 00:06.53 | josephscott | yep, we are getting CPU bound because of TCP traffic on some of the linux boxes |
| 00:07.22 | josephscott | hoping to squeeze higher number of requests per second on FreeBSD |
| 00:08.18 | josephscott | hopefully we'll be able to get over 10k requests per second without maxing out the CPUs |
| 00:09.44 | mindjuju | your kidding! |
| 00:10.07 | mgeary | well, gee. ANYone can *get* 10k requests per sec. It's *serving them up* that's the hard part ;) |
| 00:11.13 | josephscott | we're getting way more that 10k requests right now, but it's taking nearly 30 boxes to keep up |
| 00:11.37 | josephscott | our current linux boxes are killing the CPU at 8k req/sec |
| 00:11.52 | josephscott | so we end up needing more than 10 of them to keep up with demand |
| 00:12.15 | mgeary | that's awesome |
| 00:12.35 | josephscott | gravatar serves up a lot of images :-) |
| 00:12.44 | mgeary | i'd love to play around in a high-bandwidth context |
| 00:15.02 | josephscott | I'm just glad someone else does the sysadmin work to keep all of those parts moving |
| 00:15.51 | mindjuju | wow, i had no idea the OS choice would affect THAT much |
| 00:16.46 | josephscott | in this case we are mostly looking at TCP optimizations for large number of simultaneous connections |
| 00:17.10 | josephscott | the actual images are generally pretty small, so they are short lived connections coming in massive waves |
| 00:17.51 | josephscott | very different than say hosting an ISO file, where the number of downloads is high, but your generally more focused on keeping up with the bandwidth demands |
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| 00:47.04 | macnewbold | ~freebsd++ |
| 00:47.43 | macnewbold | it wouldn't surprise me one bit if automattic sees better performance from freebsd |
| 00:52.00 | fungus | FreeBSD really shines in that area. Except for that slightly painful 5.x period. |
| 00:53.18 | mindjuju | so all things being equal, how many more page requests could a freebsd install compared to a server running the same install of apache on an ubuntu box? |
| 00:55.30 | fungus | Of course it depends on the app running, but I think you could get at least 15% more connections/s |
| 00:57.13 | fungus | But I do have to agree, the other factors of OS choice usually weigh in heavier for most situations. |
| 01:06.31 | dataw0lf | Meh. Changing your operating system merely for HTTP performance is like reinventing the wheel so your car will run better. |
| 01:09.45 | mindjuju | except that at 15% additional capability (considering that htey are maxing out their current servers) changing over to freebsd will mean that 7 computers will do the work of 10 on another distro |
| 01:10.16 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I have questions for you about your script, you going to be available tomorrow morning? |
| 01:10.35 | Utah_Dave | yeah, early. |
| 01:10.43 | Utah_Dave | You just caught be before shutting down |
| 01:10.53 | Utah_Dave | I'll be online by 7:30 |
| 01:10.54 | Utah_Dave | am |
| 01:11.49 | herlo | Utah_Dave: k, I'll be there by 9am tomorrow then, we can chat at that time maybe? |
| 01:13.09 | Utah_Dave | that should be fine. I have a meeting starting about 10:15, so anytime before that is great. |
| 01:13.20 | Utah_Dave | talk to you in the morning! |
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| 01:37.54 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
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| 01:38.47 | beandog | ey mindjuju |
| 01:38.53 | beandog | mplayer got its vdpau support now, so Im gonna go testing it |
| 01:39.10 | beandog | not sure why |
| 01:39.12 | beandog | oh well. |
| 01:39.14 | beandog | its fun! |
| 01:39.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:39.54 | mindjuju | i wound up buying a vid card, should be here any day |
| 01:40.10 | mindjuju | then i'll be able to swing over to ubuntu |
| 01:40.55 | beandog | oh right on |
| 01:40.56 | beandog | whatd you get |
| 01:41.24 | mindjuju | nvidia 6200 chip 256mb ram pci |
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| 01:43.49 | mgeary | woah |
| 01:43.54 | beandog | oh foo I gotta reboot |
| 01:43.55 | beandog | brb |
| 01:44.05 | mgeary | hey, i just did a netstat, and someone's connected to a server of mine over VNC |
| 01:44.09 | mgeary | how can i see who/how? |
| 01:44.37 | mindjuju | that type of question i would route to dataw0lf or fungus |
| 01:45.00 | mgeary | yeah |
| 01:45.03 | mgeary | dataw0lf: you still around? |
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| 01:45.29 | beandog | or not. okay that was odd. |
| 01:46.17 | beandog | mindjuju: thats a good card mindjuju it'll do you good |
| 01:46.47 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:46.58 | mindjuju | i'm just tired of winders foobing every couple days |
| 01:47.31 | mindjuju | well, i'm out utnil i get home |
| 01:47.33 | mindjuju | cya'll |
| 01:47.39 | mindjuju | good luck on that one thing mgeary |
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| 03:10.23 | beandog | there's nothing like funny comments on the internet |
| 03:10.34 | beandog | "After staying awake for about 2 straight days doing school work, I had a paranoid delusion that a bag of "Gold Medal Flour" sitting on the counter was going to get me. Not the flour itself, but the shadows around the bag. I had this overwhelming fear that if I stopped looking at it, demons would come out of the shadows and get me, so I stood there staring at the bag of flour for like 15 minutes while I heard whispering voices all around me." |
| 03:10.52 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/5155424/why-do-these-commercials-for-chantix-not-mention-the-drug-at-all |
| 03:16.14 | beandog | that is hilarious |
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| 14:19.02 | itimber | morning guys |
| 14:30.23 | jsmith | Morning! |
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| 16:02.03 | mgeary | h'lo |
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| 16:22.29 | herlo | hi! |
| 16:26.13 | mgeary | ~mock people who think that if an issue only occurs in Safari it doesn't need to be resolved |
| 16:26.14 | jbot | ACTION pulls people who think that if an issue only occurs in Safari it doesn't need to be resolved's pants down and shows the world people who think that if an issue only occurs in Safari it doesn't need to be resolved's pink spotted underwear |
| 16:26.25 | mgeary | hah |
| 16:32.02 | thebigdog | ~mock mgeary |
| 16:32.03 | jbot | ACTION pulls mgeary's pants down and shows the world mgeary's pink spotted underwear |
| 16:32.14 | thebigdog | very fitting |
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| 16:38.59 | brasto | ~lart developers that use frames |
| 16:38.59 | jbot | throws developers that use frames's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 16:52.34 | mgeary | oh sure, take it out on the doggy |
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| 17:02.01 | brasto | I hope there was enough water at the bottom of your dream cliff, herlo... |
| 17:05.08 | mindjuju | too bad you werent' in the General Lee, you would have landed safely |
| 17:05.13 | mindjuju | herlo ^^ |
| 17:05.17 | herlo | yeah, sure |
| 17:06.44 | brasto | herlo, does enabling compiz for your window manager break alt+tab? |
| 17:07.13 | brasto | I'm getting really annoyed since I can't tab to the previous window ever since I enabled compiz. |
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| 17:08.28 | herlo | brasto: nope, but it can break your gui if the 3d rendering isn't supported |
| 17:10.25 | brasto | my gui is working, all but alt+tab |
| 17:11.07 | brasto | I never realized how much I used alt+tab until it stopped working. |
| 17:11.21 | herlo | brasto: are your windows in the same desktop workspace? or separate ones? |
| 17:11.38 | herlo | because alt-tab never worked if they are in separate workspaces, try ctrl+alt+tab |
| 17:12.04 | brasto | it behaves the same whether they are on the same window or different ones - it does nothing. I'll try that, though. |
| 17:12.38 | brasto | herlo: ctrl+alt+tab ignores the alt key |
| 17:12.50 | brasto | so it does what ctrl+tab normally would do |
| 17:13.04 | herlo | brasto: I don't use compiz |
| 17:13.11 | brasto | e.g.: it switches between tabs of Pidgin right now. |
| 17:13.13 | herlo | that's just what I recall from before |
| 17:13.18 | brasto | ok |
| 17:13.25 | herlo | sounds like you have a problem with your alt key |
| 17:13.34 | brasto | ~summon compiz guru |
| 17:13.35 | jbot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing compiz guru's coordinates |
| 17:13.39 | mindjuju | good thing there are 2 alt keys |
| 17:14.19 | herlo | mindjuju: it's probably the keymapping, which means one alt might also work, but it could be that both have been mapped incorrectly :( |
| 17:14.38 | mindjuju | twas kidding |
| 17:14.42 | brasto | hmmm, it worked the other day... i guess I can disable compiz to see if alt key starts working. |
| 17:15.21 | brasto | mindjuju: like, when you get punched in the arm, then they say 'sorry', and you say 'oh, it's ok, I've got another arm'? |
| 17:15.32 | brasto | :) |
| 17:16.48 | herlo | ~thump carmony |
| 17:16.49 | jbot | ACTION thumps carmony in the ear with a brick! |
| 17:16.54 | carmony | hehe |
| 17:17.50 | carmony | wow, I wonder what inspired this comic: http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20090218 |
| 17:20.03 | mindjuju | grrr |
| 17:20.26 | mindjuju | if there is one thing i can't stand, its editors who aren't consistent |
| 17:20.40 | mindjuju | for example |
| 17:20.51 | mindjuju | they corrected Less than 10 to Fewer than 10 |
| 17:21.18 | mindjuju | and then corrected 5 or Less to 5 or fewer |
| 17:21.41 | mindjuju | when it REALLY should have been Fewer than 5 |
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| 17:32.19 | brasto | herlo, it appears that compiz breaks alt+tab on kde3 |
| 17:32.59 | herlo | k |
| 17:33.17 | herlo | brasto: kde has it's own animations and stuff on kde4.2 |
| 17:33.22 | herlo | you should upgrade |
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| 17:39.26 | brasto | if anyone commented something to me after I came online for a minute or so I didn't get it since Pidgin froze. that includes herlo :). |
| 17:44.49 | brasto | my last comment said alt+tab does appear to get broken by compiz on kde3 |
| 17:45.10 | brasto | so, if anyone commented on that, I missed it |
| 17:45.40 | mindjuju | nothing other than that you should upgrade |
| 17:45.53 | herlo | brasto: kde has it's own animations and stuff on kde4.2 |
| 17:46.00 | herlo | you should upgrade |
| 17:46.25 | brasto | I'm testing kde 4.2 as well. |
| 17:47.04 | brasto | I didn't see a problem with compiz on kde4.2 yet |
| 17:47.25 | herlo | why use compiz when kde has it's own animation functionality? |
| 17:49.21 | DexterTheDragon | thats better than compiz |
| 17:51.26 | brasto | herlo and DexterTheDragon: I couldn't find wobbly windows for kde4 |
| 17:51.31 | mindjuju | hurray! finally MS gets something right! - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10166151-83.html |
| 17:51.38 | mindjuju | NOT |
| 17:52.00 | mindjuju | why am i running winders? |
| 17:52.22 | mindjuju | i feel like i'm running around with a target on my shirt and a freakin howitzer firing at me |
| 17:52.39 | brasto | yet another virus that will have no effect on me yah! |
| 17:53.05 | SunSparc | ~OS X++ |
| 17:53.12 | SunSparc | ~Linux++ |
| 17:53.19 | SunSparc | ~Windows-- |
| 17:53.32 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: wobbly windows is in there |
| 17:53.58 | mindjuju | as if IE6 offered any protection |
| 17:53.58 | DexterTheDragon | ie6 for life! |
| 17:54.05 | brasto | cool, I may ask for your help then in an hour or so DexterTheDragon. |
| 17:54.15 | brasto | I'll switch over to kde4 and give it a try |
| 17:54.16 | josephscott | mindjuju: pedro offers you his protection |
| 17:54.23 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 17:54.47 | mindjuju | they should make an antivirus called Pedro |
| 17:54.50 | herlo | josephscott: how much is the protection? |
| 17:55.05 | mindjuju | carmony, don't tell me you use IE6 |
| 17:55.14 | josephscott | enough to keep the bully from stealing your bike |
| 17:55.26 | carmony | FF |
| 17:55.29 | carmony | of course :) |
| 17:55.30 | josephscott | cost, one vote for student body president |
| 17:55.32 | mindjuju | IE6 has more vulenerabilities than 7 and doesn't have near the CSS compatibility |
| 17:56.14 | DexterTheDragon | not that I use either of them all that much |
| 17:56.19 | carmony | I only use IE 6 and 7 to test |
| 17:56.21 | carmony | website |
| 17:56.23 | carmony | s |
| 17:56.35 | carmony | lol, and I run WinXP in a virtual machine to test IE6 |
| 17:56.39 | josephscott | <sarcasm>if you aren't using ncsa mosaic you are behind the times</sarcasm> |
| 17:56.51 | carmony | lol |
| 17:57.02 | DexterTheDragon | wonder if I could find mosaic |
| 17:57.36 | mindjuju | seems like the ftp spot is still open for download of mosaic |
| 17:58.28 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: they still have the ftp site up for downloads |
| 17:58.46 | josephscott | uh, yeah, what mindjuju said :-) |
| 17:59.07 | DexterTheDragon | in theory I use mosaic if I use firefox |
| 18:01.45 | dataw0lf | psh, Firefox doesn't have the Magz easter egg. |
| 18:03.58 | josephscott | hmmm, mosaic doesn't run so well on win xp, died after about 1 minute of use |
| 18:04.09 | josephscott | loaded the yahoo home page once though :-) |
| 18:05.57 | DexterTheDragon | 0.o |
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| 18:06.07 | brasto | ~wiki ncsa mosaic |
| 18:06.08 | carmony | thats pretty impressive josephscott |
| 18:06.36 | dataw0lf | Mosaic was the web browser that made the internet popular amongst the general populace. |
| 18:06.38 | carmony | josephscott where did you get the download? |
| 18:06.45 | dataw0lf | and the precursor to Netscape. |
| 18:07.18 | josephscott | carmony: ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/ |
| 18:08.33 | josephscott | and for other old school browsers there is browsers.evolt.org |
| 18:08.41 | carmony | lol, it doesn't dig Vista 64bit ;) |
| 18:09.08 | DexterTheDragon | hmmmm its not compiling |
| 18:09.09 | macnewbold | I love mosaic |
| 18:09.13 | macnewbold | it rocked |
| 18:10.38 | brasto | josephscott: If I see this in a wordpress-generated page: Added by AJAXed Wordpress |
| 18:10.48 | brasto | that's from some ajax plugin, right? |
| 18:11.13 | brasto | and it's not something that will work if I just statically copy it into an existing sandbox theme? |
| 18:11.21 | josephscott | brasto: that would be my guess, yes |
| 18:11.32 | josephscott | depends on the plugin |
| 18:11.54 | josephscott | hopefully it's using the standard WP comments hooks, in which case it should work with properly coded themes |
| 18:12.33 | brasto | k, that's what i thought. |
| 18:12.34 | brasto | txk |
| 18:12.42 | brasto | s/txk/tx/ |
| 18:13.50 | josephscott | Netscape 1.1 appears to run on Win XP |
| 18:14.24 | josephscott | having serious flashbacks of the 90s using Netscape Navigator 1.1 |
| 18:15.10 | josephscott | I miss the shooting stars throbber |
| 18:15.46 | carmony | lol |
| 18:16.18 | SunSparc | I liked the Mozilla dinosaur walking over the earth. |
| 18:16.33 | DexterTheDragon | yeah the spinning thing just doesn't convey the awesomeness of loading like the shooting stars |
| 18:16.38 | josephscott | it's ugly, but yahoo search still works |
| 18:17.13 | carmony | wo |
| 18:23.16 | brasto | josephscott: is there a function, when writing a theme, that prints the current theme dir? |
| 18:23.57 | josephscott | brasto: http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Referencing_Files_From_a_Template |
| 18:24.05 | brasto | I don't think I want to put src="wp-content/themes/sandbox/image/example.jpg" just in case they change the theme name and path later. |
| 18:25.16 | josephscott | yeah, you should never do that |
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| 18:29.39 | brasto | thank you for the reference josephscott, that worked, and I have food for life instead of for the day :). |
| 18:29.54 | josephscott | :-) |
| 18:41.06 | brasto | josephscott: hopefully, I wont have /too/ many questions for you today. Do you know of a plug in that places a top nav bar inside of the header <div>? |
| 18:41.55 | josephscott | not off the top of my head |
| 18:42.09 | josephscott | in most cases that is up to the theme |
| 18:42.39 | brasto | Since there's no code in header.php that looks for additional lines from any plugins, I'm guessing not, also, which means the site I'm copying from probably manually coded the top nav into a theme... |
| 18:45.17 | mgeary | you're just not trying hard enough |
| 19:10.57 | mindjuju | k, so we're doing a MAJOR site redesign, everything is being overhauled. I've persuaded them to shift off of MS winders 2k3, ms sql 2k5 and CF to LAMP |
| 19:11.01 | mindjuju | whew! |
| 19:11.11 | beandog | woo hoo |
| 19:11.21 | beandog | thats awesome mindjuju |
| 19:11.22 | mgeary | woah |
| 19:11.23 | beandog | save em some moolah |
| 19:11.28 | mindjuju | yeah, big time |
| 19:11.32 | mgeary | that's fantastic |
| 19:11.44 | mgeary | that almost offsets what poor PoeticIntensity has to do |
| 19:12.00 | mindjuju | course, the only thing that scares me s that I haven't ever used searching through Apache |
| 19:12.14 | mgeary | "searching through Apache" ? |
| 19:12.14 | carmony | searching? |
| 19:12.17 | mindjuju | though it seems like somebody told me once about something called lucetern or something |
| 19:12.27 | mgeary | searching isn't a function of the webserver |
| 19:12.28 | mindjuju | search engine |
| 19:12.38 | mindjuju | like its a mod that apache had |
| 19:12.41 | mgeary | you'd want to run some sort of app *on* the webserver to do searching |
| 19:13.11 | mindjuju | here it is lucene |
| 19:13.20 | mgeary | why not just use google |
| 19:13.21 | mindjuju | http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/ |
| 19:13.31 | mgeary | inurl:mysite.com <search terms> |
| 19:13.54 | mindjuju | the user side is paid for |
| 19:14.26 | mindjuju | ie, youhave to have paid your dues |
| 19:15.17 | mgeary | and...? why does that prevent you from using google? |
| 19:15.23 | mgeary | like what w3schools does |
| 19:15.39 | mindjuju | because the users side needs a password |
| 19:15.49 | mgeary | aha |
| 19:15.54 | mgeary | gotcha |
| 19:16.09 | mgeary | well, you could simply build a poor-man's googlebot |
| 19:16.16 | mgeary | let it authenticate and scrape your site |
| 19:16.28 | mgeary | how powerful does your search need to be? |
| 19:17.04 | mgeary | as long as you've got a database of your site's content, getting an interface to it is straightforward |
| 19:17.13 | mindjuju | index over docs (as in word docs), xls, pdf, ppt, html |
| 19:17.17 | mgeary | this assumes you need to search "static" html content |
| 19:17.21 | mgeary | aha |
| 19:17.27 | mgeary | well that does get more complex |
| 19:17.31 | thebigdog | lucene is nice |
| 19:17.36 | mindjuju | i think lucene does that though |
| 19:17.45 | mindjuju | i've heard wonderfully good things about it |
| 19:17.50 | thebigdog | it does search over those types of docs |
| 19:17.51 | mindjuju | you've used it thebigdog? |
| 19:17.57 | thebigdog | yes a ton |
| 19:18.06 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to print out the docs and ramp up |
| 19:18.06 | thebigdog | it searches over anything really |
| 19:18.16 | mindjuju | what would you say the learning curve is? |
| 19:18.24 | thebigdog | it is pretty step |
| 19:18.25 | mindjuju | fairly easy to use or fairly difficult to use? |
| 19:19.19 | fungus | http://www.google.com/enterprise/mini/ |
| 19:19.24 | fungus | might be easier |
| 19:19.31 | thebigdog | steep i should say...it is kinda difficult |
| 19:19.57 | thebigdog | lucene is a search engine...so you have to tell the engine what to do and set it up properly |
| 19:20.03 | thebigdog | then index your documents |
| 19:20.06 | thebigdog | then you can search them |
| 19:20.36 | mgeary | does it run as a mini web-app over a different port? How does it interface with your site? |
| 19:20.38 | mindjuju | fungus, having a mini would be cool, but money is a little tight |
| 19:21.23 | DexterTheDragon | yahoo boss or google site search |
| 19:21.53 | thebigdog | mindjuju, but lucene has a php interface to it via zend framework - http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.lucene.html |
| 19:22.43 | fungus | mgeary: it supports many different collection methods. Kind of like Lucene, but pricey and separate harware appliance |
| 19:22.45 | thebigdog | lucene is meant to be part of your framework and not an overall solution |
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| 19:23.28 | fungus | starts at $3k |
| 19:23.40 | thebigdog | oh man they have pricing on the number of documents...that is kinda crappy |
| 19:23.58 | mindjuju | thebigdog - not sure what you mean when you say lucene is meant to be part of your framework and not an overall solution |
| 19:23.59 | fungus | I've never actually used one, but I got the spiel from a sales rep about it. |
| 19:24.00 | brasto | k, DexterTheDragon, I'm in kde4 |
| 19:24.03 | thebigdog | mindjuju, if you like i can tell you how i used lucene |
| 19:24.04 | carmony | LOL http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/fRyEm_cmF2Q/article.pl |
| 19:24.18 | brasto | One thing I miss is quicklauncher... is there one of those for kde 4? |
| 19:24.32 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: alt+f2 |
| 19:25.08 | mindjuju | thebigdog - sure, i'd be interested to know |
| 19:25.32 | thebigdog | mindjuju, well lucene is not an "out of the box" solution |
| 19:25.47 | thebigdog | lucene is an engine...you have to build the car around it |
| 19:26.13 | mindjuju | really? |
| 19:26.14 | thebigdog | i used it for searching xml, html and pdf documents |
| 19:26.41 | brasto | alt+f2 does nothing DexterTheDragon |
| 19:26.41 | thebigdog | so i had to create the indexes, write the code to query the indexes |
| 19:26.50 | thebigdog | and display the results from the indexes |
| 19:27.01 | thebigdog | then the results would like to the actual documents |
| 19:27.05 | brasto | aha, same problem in kde4 DexterTheDragon, alt key not working at all |
| 19:27.13 | brasto | can't alt tab |
| 19:27.13 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 19:27.24 | brasto | wait, getting off of compiz... |
| 19:27.52 | thebigdog | mindjuju, the cool things are that you can customize it to whatever you need |
| 19:28.21 | thebigdog | the power of lucene is the indexes and the querying that it can support |
| 19:29.04 | thebigdog | basically it is a killer metadata repository |
| 19:29.21 | thebigdog | so you tell lucene what to index |
| 19:29.27 | thebigdog | then you can search the indexes |
| 19:29.43 | brasto | DexterTheDragon: I can't remember where to pick the window manager in personal settings... |
| 19:30.03 | thebigdog | the indexes are cool cause you can have as many as you want and spread out over your network...lucene just needs to know how to access them |
| 19:30.26 | fungus | Lasted about 30min. |
| 19:31.09 | thebigdog | fungus, you use gnome then? |
| 19:31.12 | beandog | heh |
| 19:31.14 | beandog | xfce++ |
| 19:31.15 | fungus | I like the new interface, but the kde apps are still as old and crummy as ever |
| 19:31.21 | thebigdog | mindjuju, check this out - http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/features.html |
| 19:31.24 | fungus | Yup, Gnome is nice. |
| 19:31.24 | brasto | found it DexterTheDragon |
| 19:31.30 | beandog | fungus, blasphemy! |
| 19:31.32 | thebigdog | beandog, im with you |
| 19:31.33 | thebigdog | xfce |
| 19:31.37 | beandog | gnome == bird poop |
| 19:31.48 | beandog | oh well |
| 19:31.55 | thebigdog | i used icewm for a long time...then converted to xfce a few years back |
| 19:32.02 | beandog | thebigdog, hey me too |
| 19:32.10 | fungus | I haven't tried xfce for a few years, maybe it's time to revisit. |
| 19:32.16 | beandog | icewm is nice if you want really minimal |
| 19:32.19 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, actually pulled me away from icewm |
| 19:32.31 | thebigdog | beandog, yes and if you really want to customize your stuff |
| 19:32.32 | beandog | xfce is a nice compromise between ... everything |
| 19:32.39 | thebigdog | that is what i found |
| 19:32.54 | thebigdog | i love all my key bindings |
| 19:32.56 | fungus | I kinda got used to the hand holding of Gnome. It makes my life easy. |
| 19:32.59 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: haha I remember that vaguely... |
| 19:33.17 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, yeah we talked about it for a while and i mad the switch |
| 19:33.23 | thebigdog | actually worked out really well |
| 19:33.42 | thebigdog | icewm just gives you the simple minial interface...xfce gives a little more |
| 19:33.50 | thebigdog | but still allows me to customize |
| 19:34.38 | fungus | in xfce can you simply right click an ISO and chose "Write Disc"? |
| 19:34.42 | thebigdog | mindjuju, did that help you out? |
| 19:35.31 | dataw0lf | yea xfce is pretty nice |
| 19:35.33 | dataw0lf | fungus: yes. |
| 19:35.45 | dataw0lf | xfce can have all the elements of Gnome, essentially, if you want. |
| 19:35.54 | thebigdog | and kde too |
| 19:35.56 | fungus | hrm, cool. So it seems xfce has improved then. |
| 19:35.59 | thebigdog | if you want that crap |
| 19:36.11 | fungus | Last i used it, all it did was window management and a file manager. |
| 19:36.22 | thebigdog | i love thunar too |
| 19:38.11 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: right click? cdrecord /path/to/iso |
| 19:38.36 | fungus | lol, like I said, I got used to the hand holding, brain dead easy stuff. |
| 19:39.51 | fungus | Maybe once all the KDE apps get rewritten to have interfaces that fit in to the new interface it'll be worth another try. |
| 19:40.18 | fungus | But come on, Konversation, and Kopete are horrible. |
| 19:40.50 | DexterTheDragon | both those applications have always been horrible |
| 19:40.55 | DexterTheDragon | ~irssi++ |
| 19:41.27 | fungus | If i'm not going to use all the GUI goodness, I might as well use icewm or something like it. |
| 19:41.55 | fungus | ~kde-- |
| 19:42.23 | fungus | Though I do appreciate the new ideas in KDE4 stuff. |
| 19:42.42 | dataw0lf | KDE reminds me of a dentist's office. |
| 19:43.43 | dataw0lf | actually I think it reminds me of bubble gum flavored toothpaste and I just transferred that to a feeling regarding the dentist. |
| 19:44.27 | fungus | I like the idea of plasmoids, uber customizable desktop/panels and such. |
| 19:45.00 | fungus | but launching an actual KDE based app just looks out of place in that candy coated KDE4 world. |
| 19:45.55 | DexterTheDragon | I changed my theme |
| 19:45.55 | fungus | I can handle bubblegum flavored toothpaste, as long as I don't see reminders everywhere of the Dentist's drill. |
| 19:46.13 | fungus | It's not just the theme, it's the whole way it works. |
| 19:46.34 | dataw0lf | I dunno, I haven't used KDE extensively since it was first released but every time I see it I just gag. |
| 19:46.46 | dataw0lf | add that to bad experiences with Qt and ... bleh. |
| 19:46.50 | fungus | KDE3 = More settings than one can imagine buried amongst many, many settings pages/tabs. |
| 19:47.16 | fungus | KDE4 = candy coated buttons and odd user interaction |
| 19:47.34 | beandog | I can't stand shiny interfaces like that |
| 19:47.44 | DexterTheDragon | whats the odd user interaction? |
| 19:48.07 | fungus | Um, ever try to resize the panel |
| 19:48.29 | DexterTheDragon | in 4.2? or earlier? |
| 19:48.36 | fungus | 4.1 |
| 19:48.57 | DexterTheDragon | I actually don't use a panel, so...... |
| 19:49.02 | fungus | lol |
| 19:49.04 | DexterTheDragon | it got better in 4.2 tho |
| 19:49.15 | fungus | You love KDE, but don't use any of the KDE stuff. WTF? |
| 19:49.30 | DexterTheDragon | I don't use a panel. I use plasmoids |
| 19:49.40 | dataw0lf | haha, my co-worker just now: "KDE resembles and in nature is very much like a dog chew toy. It's ridiculous looking and gaudy -- but, hey, it's for the dog. But then the dog gets ahold of it and the toy unleashes a hideous SQUEAK that jars you to the bone. You spend the rest of the day chasing down the dog while that horrid sound reverberates in your ears." |
| 19:49.52 | dataw0lf | "yea, I don't like KDE either." |
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| 19:51.50 | fungus | I use Gnome because it has many hand holding features, but remains simple and clean. |
| 19:52.33 | dataw0lf | meh. for desktop/workstations, Leopard all the way. A window manager for anything I use *nix for is extraneous. |
| 19:53.00 | fungus | hehe, well that's a point. |
| 19:53.42 | mgeary | linux is great, but i don't need a GUI for it |
| 19:53.46 | mgeary | s/need/want/ |
| 19:53.48 | fungus | At work I've only got the choice of a pretty darn good PC, or an older Mac mini. |
| 19:54.13 | fungus | I need the power on my workstation more. |
| 19:54.27 | dataw0lf | hehe at work I have the choice of a top-notch Mac Pro with a 27" screen or my black macbook. My coworkers give me odd looks when I just work on my laptop all day. |
| 19:54.43 | fungus | Yeah, I would too |
| 19:54.50 | fungus | Mac Pro... <drool> |
| 19:55.09 | mgeary | my Mac tower is starting to get a bit long in the tooth |
| 19:55.23 | mgeary | dual 1Ghz G5 |
| 19:55.31 | fungus | Especially when I routinely run 3-4 VMs at a time. |
| 19:55.34 | brasto | k, DexterTheDragon, how do I wobble windows in kde4 without compiz? |
| 19:55.47 | dataw0lf | yea, it's ridiculous. 2 x 3 ghz quad-core intel xeons, 8 gb of RAM, with a RAID-5 hooked up to 'er. |
| 19:55.48 | fungus | lol, more wobbling |
| 19:55.51 | brasto | and is there a way to do the cube effects for multiple desktops? |
| 19:56.20 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: open system settings, then its under desktop, effects |
| 19:56.22 | dataw0lf | I just use it to handle 5 VMs at a time for browser tests and the like. |
| 19:56.23 | fungus | even my linux workstation doesn't have that kind of power. |
| 19:57.09 | fungus | I was just installing Oracle Enterprise Linux, and everything else slowed horribly. |
| 19:57.11 | dataw0lf | well the great thing is that we replace these EVERY year, and then (if you know the right people), you can buy them back from the company at uber discount prices |
| 19:57.28 | brasto | DexterTheDragon: I don't see a system settings. I have system services and personal settings. |
| 19:58.49 | fungus | I do get the first dibs on new machines, but the old ones trickle down into the field. |
| 19:58.51 | brasto | DexterTheDragon: found it in personal settings, desktop |
| 19:59.00 | brasto | then all effects |
| 19:59.38 | fungus | I do have a MacBook Air on my desk. Though it's just the CEO's backup machine. :( |
| 20:00.04 | dataw0lf | we had an air for on call web staff, but just replaced it with a MBP |
| 20:01.42 | fungus | They are really cool, but I need more power. |
| 20:02.16 | fungus | My MacBook is almost perfect. Just need a 12" version. |
| 20:04.04 | brasto | k, the desktop cube for kde4 doesn't seem to work right |
| 20:04.53 | mgeary | hey, how long as SSL 3.0/TLS 1.0 been out? |
| 20:05.16 | mgeary | auth.net is discontinuing support for SSL 2.0, and i need to figure out if i'm affected |
| 20:05.29 | brasto | kde 4 kicks gnome butt, gnomesters. |
| 20:05.34 | brasto | :) |
| 20:05.52 | fungus | lol, wait until you open a KDE application. ;) |
| 20:06.06 | dataw0lf | mgeary: over a decade. |
| 20:06.12 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:06.16 | mgeary | ok |
| 20:06.25 | brasto | I actually switch between gnome and kde every once in a while. |
| 20:06.35 | brasto | all the kde apps seem to work fine for me. |
| 20:06.54 | fungus | Yes, they "work" fine, but they are painful and ugly |
| 20:07.36 | fungus | you don't count, you don't use KDE apps |
| 20:07.43 | DexterTheDragon | yes I do |
| 20:09.29 | fungus | mgeary: SSL 3.0 released in 1996, then TLS was ratified by the IETF in 1999 |
| 20:09.47 | mgeary | thanks |
| 20:09.56 | DexterTheDragon | its the gtk apps in kde4 that piss me off |
| 20:10.22 | fungus | eww, that is ugly. Almost as ugly as Qt apps on Gnome. |
| 20:10.49 | dataw0lf | _almost_ |
| 20:11.32 | DexterTheDragon | well gtk apps are ugly on gnome too, so I guess that isn't fair |
| 20:12.07 | fungus | lol. |
| 20:22.54 | beandog | meh |
| 20:23.08 | beandog | Its so hard to find a decent bug tracker. |
| 20:23.26 | beandog | task freak doesn't have enough fields. :T |
| 20:23.42 | beandog | bug title, thats about it |
| 20:23.50 | beandog | I guess it does well as a "task" tracker though. |
| 20:23.56 | beandog | not bugs. |
| 20:24.14 | fungus | I've heard flyspray is good for bugtracking |
| 20:24.15 | beandog | bug trackers should let you get in, edit, get out quickly as possible |
| 20:25.16 | beandog | http://demo.flyspray.org/ |
| 20:25.19 | beandog | wow thats some ugly colors. |
| 20:26.25 | DexterTheDragon | if your looking for color http://www.mantisbt.org/demo/my_view_page.php |
| 20:27.01 | beandog | I actually prefer no color |
| 20:27.07 | beandog | Im trying to do work, not go to candy mountain |
| 20:27.19 | mgeary | ~charleeeeee |
| 20:27.32 | DexterTheDragon | come to candy mountain |
| 20:29.20 | fungus | It's a wonderland of sweets! |
| 20:29.33 | beandog | it's a mecca of love! |
| 20:31.11 | mgeary | of joy, and love, and joyness |
| 20:33.45 | beandog | heh |
| 20:38.56 | thebigdog | where is this channel going.....to candy mountain!!!! |
| 20:39.10 | mgeary | ~dorritos mgeary |
| 20:41.13 | mgeary | ~cornnuts |
| 20:41.13 | jbot | ACTION sends pelaofeliz out for CornNuts⢠for everyone. "Mmm, extra crunchy!" |
| 20:41.24 | mgeary | 'bout time |
| 20:44.23 | jsmith | Ugh.... the smell of CornNuts.... |
| 20:44.46 | dataw0lf | jsmith: agreed but they taste oh so delicious. |
| 21:14.52 | mindjuju | wow! di.fm/breaks is playing some kickbutt stuff! |
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| 21:29.31 | carmony | yay for the Goverment Stimulus dicking over me, woohoo :P |
| 21:37.07 | mgeary | ~stimulate carmony |
| 21:39.11 | dataw0lf | guuuuys, you know you better watch out, some girls, some girls are only about |
| 21:39.20 | mindjuju | carmony, out of curiosity, how is stimulus negatively affecting you? |
| 21:39.28 | beandog | well, about time for lunch I'd say. |
| 21:39.51 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: yeah about 2 hours ago |
| 21:41.59 | beandog | I gotta go eat something |
| 21:42.05 | beandog | this bottled water isnt cutting it. |
| 21:42.23 | SunSparc | jbot, give beandog a cookie |
| 21:42.24 | jbot | ACTION gives beandog a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 21:42.29 | carmony | Well, congress just changed the housing credit |
| 21:42.53 | carmony | so if you bought in 2008, you have to pay it back, where as if you buy in 2009, you don't |
| 21:43.06 | beandog | pay what back? |
| 21:43.08 | beandog | oh, the credit? |
| 21:43.09 | mgeary | yeah, i wish that $15k homeowner credit had gone through |
| 21:43.10 | carmony | and I planned my taxes around that stupid credit, and now they are changing it |
| 21:43.11 | carmony | yeah |
| 21:43.14 | mgeary | that would have been wicked |
| 21:43.29 | beandog | should have done your taxes earlier :) |
| 21:43.40 | carmony | lol, tell me about it |
| 21:43.41 | carmony | ug |
| 21:44.20 | mgeary | dang |
| 21:44.26 | beandog | Im still paying taxes from last year. :( |
| 21:44.37 | carmony | thats what happens when you're self employeed and work from home |
| 21:44.44 | mgeary | you're a sole contractor, aren't you, carmony? No one's doing any withholdings |
| 21:44.46 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:44.50 | carmony | yup |
| 21:44.55 | beandog | can't you deduct everything though |
| 21:45.02 | carmony | I can deduct some |
| 21:45.03 | mgeary | and you also have to pay penalties |
| 21:45.18 | carmony | well, I'm paying my taxes off no problem |
| 21:45.31 | carmony | just really depressing to see all the hard work to get ahead go to uncle sam |
| 21:45.45 | mgeary | that's what's nice about withholdings. You don't feel it as much |
| 21:45.49 | carmony | yeah |
| 21:45.55 | carmony | well I have to pay an extra 15% |
| 21:46.00 | carmony | for self employment |
| 21:46.09 | mgeary | not what i mean |
| 21:46.31 | mgeary | if on year B, your withheld taxes don't equal ~90% of year A, you get charged a penalty |
| 21:46.36 | mgeary | the gov't likes you to stay current |
| 21:46.46 | mgeary | you can't just pay it all at the end of the year (or in April) |
| 21:46.47 | carmony | yeah |
| 21:46.56 | carmony | You have to make estimated payments |
| 21:46.56 | mgeary | or if you do, they charge you penalties and interest |
| 21:47.00 | mgeary | right |
| 21:47.45 | carmony | I just love how the goverment says their lookign out for the little guy, and how unless I incorporate, pay accountants, etc. I get screwed by taxes |
| 21:47.50 | carmony | and its not like I'm making total bank |
| 21:48.53 | mgeary | well, it's totally worth it to pay someone to do your taxes |
| 21:49.01 | mgeary | though you've got to find the right person |
| 21:49.09 | mgeary | sweet |
| 21:51.14 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 21:51.51 | mgeary | i don't take any deductions from my normal job. Max out my withholdings there |
| 21:54.41 | carmony | see, thats smart |
| 21:59.09 | mgeary | yeah, i really, really, really hate the thought of having to do estimated tax payments |
| 21:59.17 | carmony | me too :P |
| 21:59.40 | carmony | So, who all is coming tomorrow to the PHP Meeting? :P |
| 22:02.25 | SunSparc | Makes life easier |
| 22:03.23 | beandog | yah |
| 22:03.27 | beandog | so does living in jail. |
| 22:03.34 | beandog | it's like, "woah, I dont have to cook." |
| 22:03.48 | SunSparc | xact lee |
| 22:04.12 | DexterTheDragon | meet your cell mate. Xact Lee |
| 22:04.31 | SunSparc | Distant relative of Bruce. |
| 22:04.59 | beandog | lol |
| 22:05.10 | DexterTheDragon | specialty, xacto knives |
| 22:05.20 | SunSparc | hah |
| 22:08.00 | orsonj | food is supposed to be worse than ramen though |
| 22:09.16 | mgeary | hey |
| 22:09.23 | mgeary | i had ramen for lunch today |
| 22:09.24 | mgeary | again |
| 22:09.37 | mgeary | ~malnourish mgeary |
| 22:09.44 | brasto | josephscott: have you done anything with the flashfader plugin listed here: www.lynk.de/wordpress/flashfader/ |
| 22:10.17 | josephscott | nope |
| 22:10.41 | brasto | ~give mgeary a quiznos sandwhich |
| 22:10.42 | jbot | ACTION gives a quiznos sandwhich to mgeary |
| 22:11.44 | brasto | I'm trying to get the flashfader.php file (I can wget the swf file, but wget obviously doesn't work on php files...), but the site doesn't provide a way to get it. It just says to put the files in the plugin directory |
| 22:11.58 | brasto | pretty useless info if you don't have a way to get the files to put them there... |
| 22:16.35 | brasto | finally found it on wordpress/extends/path/to/flashfader |
| 22:50.57 | mindjuju | k, let me just say, i HATE my voice |
| 22:52.35 | SunSparc | jbot, remove mindjuju's voice |
| 22:57.23 | *** join/#uphpu unum (n=unum@li32-23.members.linode.com) |
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| 23:19.16 | carmony | why do you hate your voice mindjuju? |
| 23:19.56 | orsonj | Because it doesn't sound like mine when I have a cold. |
| 23:19.57 | beandog | http://blog.boxee.tv/2009/02/18/the-hulu-situation/ |
| 23:20.09 | beandog | boxee removes it, someone else will add it. |
| 23:20.14 | beandog | stupid studios. |
| 23:30.09 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
| 23:46.06 | *** join/#uphpu xtrementl (n=erik@75-169-223-78.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:49.22 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart xtrementl |
| 23:49.22 | jbot | blasts xtrementl to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 23:49.32 | xtrementl | lol |
| 23:51.08 | DexterTheDragon | ~welcome xtrementl |
| 23:51.08 | jbot | xtrementl, Sup yo? |
| 23:55.43 | thebigdog | man itimber never works |
| 23:56.00 | xtrementl | why's that? |
| 23:57.08 | thebigdog | he is a friend |
| 23:57.46 | DexterTheDragon | cause he's a slacker |
| 23:57.50 | thebigdog | xtrementl, you new to the channel? i dont recognize your handle |
| 23:57.53 | SunSparc | Auf wiedersehen. |
| 23:58.05 | thebigdog | slackero |
| 23:58.14 | thebigdog | ^ - spanish |
| 23:58.15 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:58.21 | xtrementl | I'm known by erik johnson |
| 23:58.24 | xtrementl | i've been to the meetings a lot |
| 23:58.31 | thebigdog | where you work at? |
| 23:58.31 | xtrementl | don't usually get on irc.. but i'm working at it |
| 23:58.34 | xtrementl | codegreen |
| 23:58.43 | xtrementl | with macnewbold and dexter |
| 23:58.47 | thebigdog | oh one of those guys |
| 23:58.54 | thebigdog | i think mac should just hire us all |
| 23:58.58 | xtrementl | lol pretty much |
| 23:59.02 | thebigdog | and then we can call this #codegreeny |
| 23:59.03 | DexterTheDragon | if he worked here he would know howto spell the company name |
| 23:59.09 | beandog | oh my gosh |
| 23:59.13 | beandog | how does anyone get any work done with Outlook |
| 23:59.13 | xtrementl | lol shush i just realized that |
| 23:59.21 | beandog | It's like Word .. for email. |
| 23:59.24 | xtrementl | you wait for it to crash |
| 23:59.27 | xtrementl | then try again |
| 23:59.31 | thebigdog | beandog, you should use kemail |
| 23:59.39 | beandog | thebigdog, Im *stuck* |
| 23:59.44 | beandog | stupid Exchange servers. |
| 23:59.46 | beandog | rawr. |
| 23:59.48 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:59.49 | dataw0lf | don't even give me any whining about Outlook, I have to use Entourage. |