| 00:00.12 | SunSparc | Night all |
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| 16:05.49 | mgeary | happy 200th birthday, Abe Lincoln |
| 16:06.39 | mgeary | interesting, that Lincoln, Darwin and Mendelssohn are all celebrating their 200th birthday this month |
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| 16:27.28 | eggyknap | mgeary: sounds like quite a party. |
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| 16:59.43 | carmony | I didn't know that mgeary, just last night I was reading "Team of Rivals", which is about Abe Lincons cabinet |
| 17:06.57 | unum | I'll have to read that one |
| 17:07.08 | unum | I've been reading dreadnaught for too long |
| 17:18.20 | carmony | its pretty good seing Lincon juxtaposed against the other prodomenant political power players of his time |
| 17:18.55 | carmony | seeing* |
| 17:23.26 | mgeary | ahh, Lincoln. Our last great Republican president. Of course, the Republican platform (and the Democratic) has moved substantially in the intervening years. I remember hearing that as little as 60 years ago, "all good Mormons were Democrats" |
| 17:25.13 | jsmith | mgeary: Are you suggesting that there's something wrong with being a Mormon and a Democrat today? |
| 17:25.18 | unum | mgeary: I actually really like teddy |
| 17:25.38 | herlo | mgeary: you were alive 60 years ago? |
| 17:25.45 | mgeary | well, first of all, i'm just jibing with the above comments |
| 17:25.45 | jsmith | (and, just for the record, I'm not a Democrat... but I don't think it's illegal/immoral/wrong to be one) |
| 17:25.54 | herlo | lol |
| 17:25.59 | mgeary | and second of all, i AM a registered Democrat (and Mormon) |
| 17:26.14 | mindjuju1 | what are you kidding? you can't be LDS in good standing and democrat! |
| 17:26.14 | unum | I'm actually not a registered democrat, but I have a county party position |
| 17:26.38 | mindjuju1 | they are opposites! |
| 17:26.38 | mgeary | and third of all, i didn't say "i remember hearing 60 years ago...", i said, "i remember hearing THAT as little as 60 years ago..." |
| 17:26.43 | unum | I managed to talk my way out of being excommunicated, and was just disfellomshipped... |
| 17:26.59 | jsmith | mindjuju1: No they're not. |
| 17:27.09 | mgeary | jsmith: he's egging you, ignore him ;) |
| 17:27.16 | mindjuju1 | mgeary knows me well |
| 17:27.19 | jsmith | mgeary: I know... and I'm gonna egg him back! |
| 17:27.49 | jsmith | Mmmmmn... food... now there's something we can all agree on! |
| 17:28.00 | mgeary | as long as there's no vinegar in it |
| 17:28.13 | mindjuju1 | yeah eggs and vinegar don't mix |
| 17:28.19 | mindjuju1 | that's some bad mojo there |
| 17:29.05 | dataw0lf | nom nom nom |
| 17:29.25 | mindjuju1 | i'm going to have to try that |
| 17:29.34 | mgeary | hahaha. jsmith i had a hilarious experience with that very thing in Paris many years ago |
| 17:29.41 | jsmith | mindjuju1: It's wonderful! |
| 17:29.46 | jsmith | mgeary: Oh? |
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| 17:31.11 | mgeary | i was there on a biz trip with a colleague. I had been to Europe many times, and this was his first time. We had an afternoon off, and went to Notre Dam. We stopped at a nice little cafe for lunch. I ordered a baguette with cheeses and meats. My colleague went to the counter and, in loud English: "Man, i'm starving. I want a hamburger, french fries, and the biggest shake you can make" |
| 17:31.34 | mgeary | he was so excited for his food |
| 17:31.50 | mgeary | they brought him his "shake" first, which was essentially just thick milk |
| 17:32.11 | mgeary | but the highpoint was when they brought out his hamburger, open-faced, with a big fried egg on top |
| 17:32.18 | mgeary | his face fell about 20 feet |
| 17:32.33 | mgeary | he was so disappointed. It was very humorous |
| 17:32.48 | dataw0lf | in Paris? |
| 17:32.50 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:32.55 | dataw0lf | I try not to eat in Paris. |
| 17:33.07 | mgeary | i stick to breads & cheeses |
| 17:33.19 | dataw0lf | the smell of urine usually outweighs my need to eat. |
| 17:43.02 | SunSparc | Food in America is definitely unique. Ordering something that you think you are familiar with in a different country will merit you a choice learning experience every time. American version of foreign food never = authentic. |
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| 17:43.39 | beandog | Im starting to debate whether David Bowie can really sing or not. |
| 17:43.50 | mindjuju1 | he can |
| 17:43.55 | mindjuju1 | proof |
| 17:44.09 | mindjuju1 | china girl |
| 17:44.19 | mindjuju1 | whole soundtrack for Labrynth |
| 17:44.26 | fungus | eek, How dare you? |
| 17:44.30 | beandog | mindjuju1, its the Labyrinth one that Im not sure of |
| 17:44.36 | beandog | I dunno, it sounds a little odd in the slow parts. |
| 17:44.37 | fungus | Questioning the great Bowie? |
| 17:44.57 | mindjuju1 | yes, but he REALLY redeems himself with the last song |
| 17:45.04 | beandog | yah |
| 17:45.15 | beandog | Underground is the only song that he kind of drops out for a small moment |
| 17:45.37 | mindjuju1 | is that the one where they are in the ballroom? |
| 17:45.43 | mindjuju1 | cause i didn't like that song |
| 17:45.50 | beandog | no |
| 17:45.52 | beandog | that's uh |
| 17:45.54 | beandog | something else |
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| 17:45.59 | beandog | and thats an *awesome* song |
| 17:46.12 | beandog | As the World Falls Down |
| 17:46.15 | mindjuju1 | didn't agree with me; gives me gas |
| 17:46.26 | beandog | ew. |
| 17:46.35 | mindjuju1 | jk |
| 17:46.51 | beandog | I need to re-rip my CDs to higher quality |
| 17:47.07 | beandog | 198k CBR. meh. |
| 17:47.08 | mgeary | ~tmi |
| 17:47.09 | jbot | tmi stands for too much information |
| 17:47.29 | beandog | that and get some real headphones |
| 17:47.43 | mgeary | ~define real headphones |
| 17:47.44 | jbot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 17:48.03 | mgeary | my problem with expensive headphones is that when they break ('cause i'm betting they will), you're just out that much more |
| 17:48.05 | beandog | mgeary, not from wally world |
| 17:48.14 | beandog | cost more than $8 |
| 17:48.20 | beandog | havent had them for 5 years. |
| 17:48.22 | beandog | :) |
| 17:48.33 | mindjuju1 | my sony studio headphones have been around for several years |
| 17:48.43 | mindjuju1 | not 5 more like 3 and some for me |
| 17:48.46 | fungus | My favorite headphones cost me $75 on sale from $150, and they broke. :( |
| 17:49.10 | mgeary | exactly |
| 17:49.24 | fungus | A little super glue later, and I am happy again. |
| 17:49.47 | beandog | super glue always cheers me up too |
| 17:49.51 | mindjuju1 | :) |
| 17:49.53 | mgeary | i have 3 Koss $20 headphones, and they tend to last a bit over a year, at which point i pay $6 in shipping/handling, and they replace them for me. |
| 17:50.20 | fungus | But I am still glad I bought them. They are the most comfortable headphones that actually sound good, I have ever tried. |
| 17:51.03 | fungus | http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=438&product=16336&listby= |
| 17:51.06 | beandog | whats a good album, fungus |
| 17:51.11 | fungus | Yay, Bowie |
| 17:51.12 | mindjuju1 | beandog - here is the song i was looking for - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX917y1Ly8o |
| 17:51.25 | beandog | I love that song |
| 17:51.26 | mindjuju1 | don't know what ts called |
| 17:51.31 | mgeary | fungus: where'd they break? On the hinge? |
| 17:51.34 | fungus | I like his older late 70s stuff |
| 17:51.38 | mindjuju1 | i should buy the soundtrack again |
| 17:51.40 | mgeary | that's where my Koss ones always break |
| 17:51.43 | fungus | Changes |
| 17:52.01 | mindjuju1 | fungus, is that what its called? |
| 17:52.05 | DexterTheDragon | http://tinyurl.com/amgzs6 |
| 17:52.53 | beandog | mindjuju1, if anyone deserves a rickroll, its you |
| 17:52.55 | fungus | beandog: Life on Mars is also great |
| 17:53.42 | fungus | Err, the album name is Ziggy Stardust |
| 17:54.09 | fungus | The best bowie album in my opinion. |
| 17:54.25 | fungus | though I do like some of his recent stuff, Heathen 2002 is pretty good. |
| 17:54.36 | beandog | hmm okay |
| 17:54.42 | beandog | lets see if last.fm delivers |
| 17:55.09 | DexterTheDragon | hehehehe you clicked |
| 17:55.43 | mindjuju1 | i tried |
| 17:56.36 | fungus | lol, I clicked, and didn't get it. |
| 17:56.43 | fungus | Until I read the source. |
| 17:57.33 | beandog | its amazing the RIAA hasn't taken down last.fm yet |
| 17:57.38 | mindjuju1 | you know beandog, you mentioning labyrinth has made me think of the remake of Legend |
| 17:57.40 | beandog | it's amazing, innovate, and still alive |
| 17:57.46 | beandog | mindjuju1, theres a remake? |
| 17:57.49 | beandog | I still havent seen the original. |
| 17:57.53 | mindjuju1 | a ghastly one |
| 17:58.13 | mindjuju1 | talk about one of the greatest crimes of the century |
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| 17:58.27 | mindjuju1 | they change the soundtrack from Tangerine Dream to the one by John Williams |
| 17:58.30 | beandog | remakes are rarely worth the time |
| 17:58.37 | mindjuju1 | not only does it not fit, it's awful |
| 17:58.47 | beandog | Willy Wonka being a notable exception |
| 17:59.10 | mindjuju1 | d00d, there is totally a place for willy wonka and the acid factory, i just don't know what it is |
| 17:59.21 | mindjuju1 | now charlie and the choco factory with depp, that's a masterpiece |
| 18:00.19 | synic | I thought it was retarded |
| 18:00.29 | synic | what with the rapping oompa loompas and crap |
| 18:00.38 | beandog | heh |
| 18:00.42 | beandog | that was awesome |
| 18:00.49 | beandog | each oompa loompa song was a tribute to a different style of music |
| 18:00.49 | mindjuju1 | synic, you're crazy |
| 18:01.27 | mindjuju1 | how can anybody forget this part of the acid factory? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zail7Gdqro |
| 18:01.47 | synic | see, now that's quality film |
| 18:02.02 | mindjuju1 | heh |
| 18:02.06 | beandog | heh |
| 18:02.09 | beandog | hey, it was the 70s |
| 18:02.14 | synic | no, I'm being serious |
| 18:02.16 | beandog | just look at the hair. |
| 18:02.19 | mindjuju1 | yeah, everybody ws trippin |
| 18:02.23 | fungus | Both films are totally awesome. They are very different. |
| 18:02.32 | beandog | fungus, agreed |
| 18:02.58 | synic | I'm afraid I can't be any of your friend anymore. |
| 18:03.08 | beandog | well, buy me a pepsi on the way out |
| 18:03.16 | beandog | :) |
| 18:03.19 | synic | especially you, beandog, 'cause I've never even met you |
| 18:03.29 | mindjuju1 | you really like gene wilder to charlie depp? |
| 18:03.34 | mindjuju1 | opps, johnny depp |
| 18:04.23 | fungus | mindjuju1: it's not about Wilder vs. Depp. It's about Wilder *and* Depp. Both totally rule as Willy Wonka. |
| 18:04.29 | beandog | yah |
| 18:04.35 | beandog | you cant compare the two |
| 18:04.40 | beandog | er, as in one being better |
| 18:04.42 | beandog | they are both great. |
| 18:04.57 | beandog | its like two variations of the same trippy dream. |
| 18:05.02 | mindjuju1 | psh |
| 18:05.07 | mindjuju1 | psh^2 |
| 18:05.20 | fungus | The Depp version sticks to the book closer, but the Wilder version was totally fun and amazing. |
| 18:05.28 | beandog | yah |
| 18:05.30 | mindjuju1 | one followed the book fairly closely, the other was way off |
| 18:06.29 | beandog | that book rocked. |
| 18:06.53 | fungus | Speaking of Sequels that never got made, but should. The Subtle Knife needs to be made. Sequel to The Golden Compass. |
| 18:06.55 | beandog | actually, I want Charlie and the Chocolate Factory on Blu-Ray |
| 18:07.08 | beandog | ~moar charlie |
| 18:10.32 | DexterTheDragon | I like the people who think the 'dont click' is a virus |
| 18:18.31 | carmony | which version beandog? |
| 18:20.00 | beandog | carmony, huh? |
| 18:20.11 | carmony | speaking of charlie and the chocolate factory.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsE0UOz1uw4&feature=channel_page |
| 18:20.20 | carmony | of charlie and the chocolate factory |
| 18:20.28 | beandog | oh |
| 18:20.33 | beandog | Charlie is the new one |
| 18:20.37 | beandog | They both have different titles |
| 18:20.44 | carmony | oh, I didn't know that |
| 18:20.48 | beandog | Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (70s) |
| 18:20.56 | beandog | Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (200-whatever) |
| 18:21.22 | beandog | its on HD DVD, but not BluRay |
| 18:21.22 | beandog | :@ |
| 18:23.45 | mindjuju1 | i heard that nobody is buying blueray and that hd-dvd may come back? |
| 18:24.45 | DexterTheDragon | actually they're joining forces to make HD-Ray |
| 18:25.23 | mindjuju1 | hilarious |
| 18:27.21 | beandog | lol |
| 18:27.45 | beandog | I really doubt HD DVD would make a comeback. |
| 18:27.53 | beandog | how would having two formats make things sell more? |
| 18:28.06 | beandog | The real competition is Internet video |
| 18:28.10 | beandog | on demand |
| 18:28.17 | beandog | it's not high-def, but its good enough |
| 18:43.03 | mindjuju1 | has anybody figured out what donny osmond is doing in weird al vid - White and nerdy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw |
| 18:43.25 | mindjuju1 | 98.5% no rickroll guarantee |
| 18:44.39 | DexterTheDragon | he's being white and nerdy |
| 18:51.04 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju1: watch the donny osmond take, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWc6QQ9JlMc and the behind the scenes, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TDAGJMj8zk |
| 18:52.02 | mindjuju1 | that's awesome |
| 18:59.07 | mgeary | hey, how can i suppress stderr feedback from a cli command? I've seem something like "1&2>..." ..? |
| 18:59.49 | mgeary | >&1 ? |
| 18:59.54 | DexterTheDragon | 2>/dev/null |
| 19:00.06 | DexterTheDragon | that redirects stderr to dev null |
| 19:00.21 | DexterTheDragon | if you want to redirect stderr to stdout its 2>&1 |
| 19:00.49 | mgeary | sweet |
| 19:00.50 | mgeary | thanks |
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| 19:08.15 | brasto | sweet! anyone used mibbit before? |
| 19:08.44 | mindjuju1 | yeah, i came in using mibbit and made fun of macnewbold |
| 19:09.13 | brasto | I'm at Murray hospital - the Intermountain Medical Center... and they are prejudiced against irc and most chat protocols, and block them over their free wireless. |
| 19:09.34 | jsmith | brasto: What are you doing at the Death Star? |
| 19:09.58 | brasto | I was thinking about doing what herlo does, and setting up my vps to connect to IRC via cli over ssh. |
| 19:10.08 | brasto | at least... i think that's what herlo does... |
| 19:10.18 | herlo | it is |
| 19:10.18 | herlo | irssi ftw! |
| 19:13.46 | beandog | brasto, terrorists use IRC. |
| 19:14.14 | brasto | jsmith - i'm ok, but i'm here with my wife - she has pneumonia |
| 19:14.29 | brasto | that must be it, beandog |
| 19:14.40 | jsmith | brasto: Yuck... can you VPN out? SSH? |
| 19:14.48 | brasto | because computer geeks use irc, terrorists must use it, too. |
| 19:15.00 | brasto | I can ssh |
| 19:15.18 | beandog | and germs, don't forget germs. |
| 19:15.25 | jsmith | brasto: Well, hospitals (especially large hospital groups) tend to have really good network security, due to HIPPA regulations |
| 19:15.28 | brasto | i was surprised to see that I could with every chat protocol blocked except xmmp/google |
| 19:16.36 | brasto | jsmith: so they block chat so that people can't spy on patients and chat away the info? |
| 19:17.17 | brasto | of course, I'm chatting now anyway via mibbit, and my discussion about it is getting logged... so someone might come after me... |
| 19:17.41 | GreatWhiteWizard | now I'm safe |
| 19:17.43 | GreatWhiteWizard | :) |
| 19:18.15 | beandog | does burger king have any good shakes these days |
| 19:18.28 | jsmith | beandog: Only when there's an earthquake :-p |
| 19:19.51 | beandog | ooh oreo sundae shake |
| 19:20.06 | beandog | lets see how many arteries that's gonna clog |
| 19:23.09 | beandog | freak. |
| 19:23.16 | beandog | okay forget that. |
| 19:23.36 | beandog | I could eat 3 pies and get the same amount |
| 19:23.48 | beandog | which actually sounds pretty good, too |
| 19:26.14 | utahcon | BK's new butterfinger pie is not worth the money, get the hershey pie |
| 19:26.23 | utahcon | and no their shakes suck |
| 19:26.41 | utahcon | Carl's Jr has a shake ... it's not great but it is better than BK's |
| 19:33.56 | mindjuju1 | like the emperor's new clothes, wasabi was a prank that nobody got |
| 19:33.57 | brasto | Maybe I'll practice my perverse sense of humor and put the delicious-looking not-candy in a candy dish for guests at home... |
| 19:34.09 | brasto | lol |
| 19:36.04 | brasto | yea, Wasabi is the main ingredient in horseradish sauce. The peanuts tasted like peanuts dipped heavily in horseradish sauce. |
| 19:51.52 | mindjuju1 | for beandog - http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=53428706173&h=Am-Us&u=vbw54 |
| 19:52.06 | mindjuju1 | wait try this one |
| 19:52.07 | mindjuju1 | http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=53428706173&h=Am-Us&u=vbw54 |
| 19:52.10 | mindjuju1 | grr! |
| 19:52.26 | mindjuju1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW0H2tPZATQ&feature=channel_page |
| 19:54.24 | thebigdog | bye bye |
| 19:54.46 | thebigdog | bye bye |
| 19:55.00 | mindjuju1 | cya? |
| 19:55.09 | thebigdog | i love the falling turd surprise |
| 19:55.23 | mindjuju1 | oh! gotcha, wasn't that funny7? |
| 19:55.53 | thebigdog | just scary man |
| 19:56.05 | thebigdog | a falling singing turd...scary |
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| 20:03.38 | PoeticIntensity | well, peeps, I'm not a .NET and C# developer. *sigh* |
| 20:03.42 | PoeticIntensity | not = now |
| 20:03.56 | PoeticIntensity | (must have been a Freudian slip) |
| 20:04.12 | PoeticIntensity | goooooood times. |
| 20:04.40 | mindjuju1 | are you going to learn c#? |
| 20:04.54 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 20:05.13 | PoeticIntensity | looking that way, anyway. |
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| 20:05.47 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - carmony does c# |
| 20:05.58 | DexterTheDragon | and loves it |
| 20:06.09 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon - here you go - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh6XFlTiMTA&NR=1 |
| 20:06.13 | mindjuju | 100% no rickroll |
| 20:07.11 | DexterTheDragon | think I would have prefered the rickroll |
| 20:07.26 | mindjuju | it's quite disturbing |
| 20:08.00 | mindjuju | k, no more distraction, i'm close to finishing on time |
| 20:09.48 | PoeticIntensity | question: What do you all use in PHP as a SOAP client? |
| 20:10.05 | PoeticIntensity | I've neard nusoap is good, and am looking into PHP5's extension for it.. Just curious as to what's out there, and what's good. |
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| 20:20.07 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i have used nusoap and it works good...there is also pear::soap and ez soap...but i have not used them |
| 20:20.19 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, thebigdog |
| 20:20.31 | PoeticIntensity | should I be concerned that it hasn't been updated since late in 2007? |
| 20:20.40 | thebigdog | nusoap? |
| 20:20.56 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... the sourceforge page implies it's kind of old... |
| 20:21.01 | PoeticIntensity | unless I'm missing something |
| 20:21.09 | thebigdog | i would suggest using the php soap |
| 20:21.12 | PoeticIntensity | # NuSOAP release 0.7.1 2005-07-27 |
| 20:21.31 | PoeticIntensity | I think I'm going down that road... (the php extension) |
| 20:21.55 | thebigdog | yeah i would suggest that as the best version now...atleast you have the community behind it and it is active |
| 20:22.41 | thebigdog | at least they have implementation of the soap 1.2 spec |
| 20:22.46 | thebigdog | that is a major ++ |
| 20:23.04 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
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| 20:23.11 | thebigdog | even though it is like 8 yrs old |
| 20:23.21 | PoeticIntensity | I've never done soap before, so... just dippin' the feet in. |
| 20:24.47 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, you can check w3c for soap support by products |
| 20:25.41 | thebigdog | never mind on that i dont see any php info on that |
| 20:25.49 | brasto | if you have a site built off cake 1.1 and you upgrade the cake to 1.2, does it cause any problems? |
| 20:26.00 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for the info, thebigdog |
| 20:26.14 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: a lot of stuff changed between 1.1 and 1.2 |
| 20:28.55 | brasto | so it would brobably be a Bad Idea, then |
| 20:30.11 | DexterTheDragon | eh just takes some work |
| 20:31.40 | macnewbold | if you've got a good reason to do it, it may make sense |
| 20:32.01 | macnewbold | but it wouldn't be something to do casually, expecting that it will only take an hour :) |
| 20:32.20 | josephscott | people advocating soap should be sued for false advertising |
| 20:32.42 | josephscott | and be forced to change the name to coap |
| 20:33.05 | PoeticIntensity | heh |
| 20:33.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'm wondering why there isn't much recent documentation on it... |
| 20:33.25 | PoeticIntensity | I've been pretty out of the loop of web services for a bit |
| 20:33.49 | beandog | what is soap, anyway |
| 20:34.01 | josephscott | it's a lot of things, but simple isn't one of them |
| 20:34.30 | jsmith | beandog: It's a protocol for remote procedure calls... imagine calling a function across websites, and getting data back |
| 20:34.42 | beandog | oh okay |
| 20:34.43 | jsmith | beandog: The most glaring example is Amazon... |
| 20:34.48 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, sudo make me a sandwich |
| 20:34.58 | beandog | let's see if that works |
| 20:34.58 | jsmith | They have a complete SOAP api for getting information about items in their catalog |
| 20:34.59 | beandog | :) |
| 20:35.11 | jsmith | ~feed beandog |
| 20:35.12 | jbot | ACTION offers beandog some horseraddish |
| 20:35.12 | beandog | jsmith, ah okay |
| 20:35.27 | brasto | jbot, give beandog and PoeticIntensity sandwiches |
| 20:35.28 | jbot | ACTION gives and PoeticIntensity sandwiches to beandog |
| 20:35.45 | brasto | doh |
| 20:35.46 | PoeticIntensity | how rude, brasto |
| 20:35.48 | brasto | that didn't work... |
| 20:35.52 | PoeticIntensity | trying to make a sandwich out of me! |
| 20:35.56 | jsmith | You use SOAP to call methods/functions that Amazon exposes, like "What are the top 100 most popular books in this category" |
| 20:37.01 | PoeticIntensity | and intentionally does not give any of it to beandog |
| 20:37.03 | brasto | "it's... minity-chocolaty-good... |
| 20:37.04 | brasto | " |
| 20:37.17 | beandog | jsmith, oh thats cool. remote APIs |
| 20:37.19 | brasto | i hate it when I accidentally hit the ente |
| 20:37.19 | beandog | web services. makes sense. |
| 20:37.21 | brasto | r key |
| 20:37.50 | jsmith | brasto: Yeah... it's pretty cool |
| 20:38.26 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sure jsmith really meant to refer that comment to beandog |
| 20:38.33 | jsmith | To make a long story short, there are many protocols that are more simple than SOAP, but few as rich |
| 20:39.10 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: No, actually I was responding to the minty-chocolatey-goodness |
| 20:39.17 | PoeticIntensity | ooohh... sorry, bud. |
| 20:39.47 | jsmith | No worries |
| 20:40.11 | PoeticIntensity | so, jsmith, any pointers on how to write / set up a good PHP SOAP client? |
| 20:40.36 | PoeticIntensity | all I will be doing is sending a UPC code, and retrieving the corresponding Product Name. |
| 20:41.43 | jsmith | Sure... it's pretty easy |
| 20:41.51 | jsmith | Let me see if I can find some example code |
| 20:42.04 | jsmith | (If you have a SOAP service for UPC codes already, I'll take the time to write your code for you!) |
| 20:42.31 | PoeticIntensity | yes... a server exists already for accepting the UPC codes. |
| 20:42.51 | PoeticIntensity | wow.... service with a smile even... |
| 20:42.56 | PoeticIntensity | This forum gets better and better. |
| 20:43.44 | brasto | jsmith: you read earlier about what the wasabi peanut really is, right? |
| 20:44.28 | DexterTheDragon | oh snap he's back |
| 20:46.53 | jsmith | brasto: Nope |
| 20:47.06 | PoeticIntensity | jsmith: PM |
| 20:49.44 | brasto | jsmith: I bought some Wasabi Peanuts because I've always had good experiences with Nutty Guys chocolaty nutty goodness. they were a shiny green color, and I thought they would taste minty-chocolaty |
| 20:50.16 | brasto | I found out after I tasted them that Wasabi is the main ingredient in horseradish sauce. |
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| 20:50.53 | brasto | so, jsmith, my Wasabi Peanuts are not minty-chocolaty good. They just look it... :). |
| 20:54.01 | jsmith | brasto: Ah, gotcha |
| 21:08.21 | beandog | that's a 4 dot song |
| 21:11.54 | carmony | DexterTheDragon, what were you saying about me? ;) |
| 21:20.28 | thebigdog | beandog, yes it is |
| 21:34.38 | mgeary | wait a sec |
| 21:34.49 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: you're having to move to a MS/.NET platform?? |
| 21:34.52 | mgeary | why is that? |
| 21:35.24 | thebigdog | for webservices...hehe |
| 21:35.53 | carmony | To consume or serve? |
| 21:36.08 | thebigdog | im just joking |
| 21:36.13 | carmony | lol :P |
| 21:36.16 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, the company I work for is being merged with another one. |
| 21:36.22 | mgeary | oh really |
| 21:36.29 | mgeary | and they |
| 21:36.31 | PoeticIntensity | they are big ol' 100% M$ shop |
| 21:36.33 | mgeary | "they" won |
| 21:36.36 | mgeary | bah |
| 21:36.41 | mgeary | that's just awful |
| 21:36.42 | PoeticIntensity | soooooooooooo..... |
| 21:36.46 | PoeticIntensity | to keep my job... yeah. |
| 21:36.58 | PoeticIntensity | I'm consuming. |
| 21:37.17 | PoeticIntensity | it'll be a couple of months until I'm required to do anything in .NET |
| 21:37.40 | PoeticIntensity | and I'm gonna keep up on PHP, so.... all in all, it's just going to expand my toolbelt. |
| 21:37.40 | carmony | have you worked in a stronly typed enviroment before? (C#, Java) |
| 21:37.45 | PoeticIntensity | nooooooope. |
| 21:37.53 | PoeticIntensity | I took a Java class, though. |
| 21:37.58 | carmony | lol, it can be very painful |
| 21:38.05 | PoeticIntensity | indeed. |
| 21:38.18 | carmony | .NET throws shitty errors too (sorry for swearing, but its the only way to describe them) :P |
| 21:38.25 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 21:38.32 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 21:38.35 | PoeticIntensity | give 'n' take, says I. |
| 21:38.45 | PoeticIntensity | I'll still have a job if I learn .NET |
| 21:38.45 | carmony | But it was good experience |
| 21:39.00 | carmony | I'd rather do Java than C#, but VS 2008 is pretty nice |
| 21:39.04 | PoeticIntensity | if not, I'm sure I can get another PHP job, but with this economy, it's a pretty bad idea to be the low guy on the totem pole. |
| 21:39.21 | PoeticIntensity | yeah, I"ve got a new laptop loaded with VS2008, etc... |
| 21:40.11 | PoeticIntensity | not yet, mgeary, not yet. |
| 21:40.11 | mgeary | guys |
| 21:40.25 | mgeary | i think we may have to put PoeticIntensity out of his misery before the disease progresses |
| 21:41.12 | dataw0lf | C# isn't a bad language to learn. |
| 21:41.21 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 21:41.22 | dataw0lf | a better Java, essentially. |
| 21:41.29 | PoeticIntensity | that's why I'm accepting the offer. |
| 21:41.35 | PoeticIntensity | I've got to at least try. |
| 21:41.40 | mindjuju | was going to say, i thought you mentioned visual studio a couple times dataw0lf, mentioned favorably |
| 21:42.17 | dataw0lf | indeed, VS is one of the few apps MS has gotten right. I just don't like the _rest_ of the environment (Windows). |
| 21:42.40 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, so do you also code c# ? |
| 21:43.07 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Not currently, and most of my C# work was application security at my old job, but I did a lot of it. |
| 21:44.37 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - PM |
| 22:00.29 | carmony | I actually really like VS |
| 22:14.44 | PoeticIntensity | well, it's good to hear the comments on VS... |
| 22:14.49 | PoeticIntensity | I don't know what to think (yet)... |
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| 22:18.21 | beandog | man, I love the Internet. |
| 22:19.05 | DexterTheDragon | ~internet |
| 22:19.05 | jbot | The internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's, it's a series of tubes. |
| 22:19.09 | beandog | whats VS? |
| 22:19.10 | beandog | visual studio? |
| 22:19.41 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 22:20.06 | beandog | for a second I got it confused with VD |
| 22:20.10 | beandog | don't want that |
| 22:21.14 | DexterTheDragon | tough call between the two |
| 22:21.27 | carmony | LOL |
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| 22:26.16 | mgeary | do y'all see anything wrong with this: |
| 22:26.18 | mgeary | RewriteRule ^page2 /index2.php [L] |
| 22:26.24 | mgeary | it's not working at all |
| 22:28.59 | thebigdog | restart apache |
| 22:29.27 | mgeary | this is in a htaccess file |
| 22:29.33 | mgeary | a restart shouldn't be needed, no? |
| 22:30.04 | DexterTheDragon | no |
| 22:30.11 | DexterTheDragon | is the rewrite engine on? |
| 22:30.14 | mgeary | yep |
| 22:30.20 | mgeary | other rewrites in this file are working |
| 22:30.34 | DexterTheDragon | does it error on that one, like 500? |
| 22:30.40 | mgeary | 404 |
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| 22:40.16 | mgeary | nevermind, it was workig |
| 22:40.16 | mgeary | i was expecting a redirect, not a proxying |
| 22:41.23 | beandog | oh, man |
| 22:41.35 | DexterTheDragon | amen to that |
| 22:42.09 | beandog | :) |
| 22:42.18 | beandog | my eyeballs can't take any more code. |
| 22:42.20 | DexterTheDragon | face meet keyboard |
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| 22:43.15 | beandog | man its amazing how many pointless videos are on youtube |
| 22:47.12 | mgeary | hey, i'm trying to do a rewrite that does this: |
| 22:47.23 | mgeary | page/foo/bar --> index.php?id=foo&bar |
| 22:47.31 | mgeary | but if foo == "", it doesn't work |
| 22:47.43 | mgeary | so page//bar !--> index.php?&bar |
| 22:47.47 | mgeary | or rather |
| 22:47.50 | mgeary | so page//bar !--> index.php?id=&bar |
| 22:47.54 | mgeary | why is that? |
| 22:48.13 | mgeary | RewriteRule ^page/(.*)/(.*) /index.php?id=$1&$2 [L] |
| 22:49.04 | DexterTheDragon | won't apache normalize // to just one / so you end up with /index.php?id=bar |
| 22:49.19 | DexterTheDragon | and doesn't it have to match the two (.*) |
| 22:49.22 | mgeary | yes |
| 22:49.52 | mgeary | can that be prevented? |
| 22:50.10 | DexterTheDragon | if you can make (.*) optional |
| 23:17.02 | josephscott | mgeary: I route a basic URL class in PHP & mod_rewrite - http://josephscott.org/archives/2008/11/php-url-routing-pur/ |
| 23:18.14 | DexterTheDragon | you guys just need an MVC framework |
| 23:18.36 | josephscott | sure, replace my 3k of code with 12MB of framework :-) |
| 23:19.40 | DexterTheDragon | cake is only 3MB |
| 23:20.49 | josephscott | I resisted the urge to say to just use WordPress, you can resist the urge to say just use cake ;-) |
| 23:21.10 | DexterTheDragon | I never said cake. I said MVC framework |
| 23:23.42 | beandog | mumbler! |
| 23:27.07 | mgeary | MVC framework does not necessarily have anything whatsoever to do with a URL schema |
| 23:32.32 | thebigdog | mgeary, depends on your mvc framework |
| 23:32.39 | mgeary | well |
| 23:32.42 | mgeary | not really |
| 23:32.53 | mgeary | many mvc frameworks *give* you URL schemas/normalization |
| 23:32.59 | mgeary | but they aren't necessarily related |
| 23:33.26 | mgeary | you can have a MVC system w/o url normalization, and you can have url normalization w/o a MVC system |
| 23:34.01 | thebigdog | yeah...but i think they should so that i can have it setup for mvc and then run something else if needs be too |
| 23:53.21 | SunSparc | lay turz |
| 23:54.33 | mgeary | "lay turds"? |