IRC log for #uphpu on 20090211

00:13.45itimberI'm out.... later guys
00:13.52SunSparcditto
00:58.32mindjujuwho is still around?
01:05.49mindjujuPM sent
01:08.22Utah_Dave1~tunafart mindjuju
01:08.23jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
01:24.00mindjujuany flash gurus in the house?
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15:34.01carmonyGood morning
15:34.23utahconmorning
15:35.09itimbermorning
15:39.05carmonyitimber, you're in teh channel a lot earlier now a days :)
15:39.15mindjujumorning gents
15:39.28itimberyes
15:39.43itimberswitched from super late evenings to super early mornings
15:39.51itimberearly to bed, early to rise, and all of that
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15:40.11mindjujuthe early bird gets the worm...
15:40.14itimberso, trying to do a 5am to 5pm and see how that goes
15:40.18mindjujuthe early cat gets the early bird
15:40.25mindjujuthe early dog gets the early cat
15:40.33itimbermindjuju: exactly
15:40.43mindjuju:)
15:41.01Utah_Davemorning
15:41.12mindjujuoh great, it's utah_dave
15:41.16mindjuju:)
15:41.16itimberlol
15:41.32Utah_Davej/k
15:42.04mindjujuutah_dave knows i'm kidding
15:42.26mindjujuespecially since he has a bad habit of tunafarting me and then jumping out of channel immediately afterwards so i can't get him
15:42.55Utah_Dave:)
15:43.08Utah_Dave~love mindjuju
15:43.09jbotIf you love mindjuju so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
15:43.11itimberif Utah_Dave did a tuna fart, I think I'd quickly get out of the channel too
15:43.27Utah_DaveI know, why would I stick around to experience that?
15:43.42mindjujuheh
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16:18.09carmonyawww... orem? :P
16:18.21carmonyWe need to have one in Layton sometime then :P
16:19.23mindjujuit's been a while since we had one northside
16:19.35mindjujucourse, been a while since we had one southside too
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16:24.12herloUtah_Dave: ping
16:25.01Utah_Daveherlo: pong
16:25.21Utah_Daveready for the csv stuff?
16:25.30herloyeah, could you shoot it over ??
16:25.44Utah_Daveyeah, can you pm me your email again?
16:26.57Utah_Daveherlo: I got it working with in memory sqlite database during the import, then I dump it to disk. It dropped my import time from 1 hour to 1.5 minutes
16:27.54herlosweet!
16:28.08Utah_Daveyeah, that's for 517,000 records
16:28.12herloUtah_Dave: herlo1 at gmail
16:28.21Utah_Davecool.
16:28.30mindjujuwas there already a herlo at gmail?
16:28.41herlomindjuju: google doesn't let 5 letter usernames
16:28.47herlominimum is 6
16:28.49mindjujuah
16:28.55mindjujunever knew that
16:28.56herloI even emailed them asking for it, they said no
16:29.07herlojerks
16:29.27carmonylol
16:29.50carmonyyou should have done herlo.screw.you.google@gmail.com
16:32.45mindjujufor those of you who indulge, di.fm/goa is playing some cool stuff
16:39.05Utah_Daveherlo: sent
16:39.37Utah_DaveWarning, I'm still pretty new to Python. I'm sure there are improvements that can be made.
16:40.56herloUtah_Dave: thanks!!
16:41.20herlogot it!!
16:54.26carmonymy auto-upgrade just "worked":
16:54.29carmonytook 5 seconds
17:06.03brastocool... brasto is 6 letters...
17:07.00brasto(that was 'specially for herlo)
17:17.21carmonylol
17:17.45herlok
17:17.51carmonyarg.... I swear, the guy who decided to make 1 = true and 2 = false is *killing* me :P
17:18.03herlowhat!? 2 is true!
17:18.05synic... what?
17:18.07herlo0 is false
17:18.08synicfire that person
17:18.10synicimmediately.
17:18.12carmonylol
17:18.13herloI'd say!
17:18.19carmonythey are long gone
17:18.25carmonybut its all over the place
17:18.44synicCALL HIS NEW COMPANY AND GET HIM FIRED
17:18.44carmonylol
17:28.21carmonylol
17:28.39GreatWhiteWizard~wizardfire herlo
17:28.40jbotACTION lowers his wizard staff and sends a bolt of wizard fire at an unsuspecting herlo
17:29.02herlo~simpsons GreatWhiteWizard
17:29.02jbotACTION sends GreatWhiteWizard chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!"
17:29.18herloeveryone falls for the pink donut
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17:41.47carmonywoohoo, file uploads using Soap, yipee!
17:41.48mgeary~decide thebigdog
17:43.46Utah_Daveman, sometimes I get moving so fast in vim I forget if I saved or not. I always do, but I don't remember saving
17:44.10carmony:P
17:46.16GreatWhiteWizard~put carmony in vim hell
17:46.36GreatWhiteWizarddoh! i thought ~put was defined...
17:46.46GreatWhiteWizard~vim carmony
17:46.47jbotACTION drops carmony into a vim buffer and edits carmony into a nice, obscure perl script
17:47.37carmonylol\
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18:07.12SunSparchttp://i41.tinypic.com/24dna5x.png
18:10.14dataw0lfNo offense intended, but the nick "GreatWhiteWizard" makes me think immediately of the KKK and lynchings.
18:10.26mgearyheh
18:10.33dataw0lf;-)
18:10.37brasto:)
18:10.49brastoGreatWhiteWizard makes me think of Gandalf
18:11.09dataw0lfObviously I'm much more racist than you.
18:11.13dataw0lfIt's science!
18:11.14brastolol
18:11.19brastowhat
18:11.21brastodoh
18:11.39brastowhat's funny is that i changed my nick back /before/ I noticed your comment
18:12.03dataw0lfhaha, nice
18:15.13brasto~lart the people that made the star trek dvds
18:15.13jbotdrops a baby grand on the people that made the star trek dvds
18:16.25brastoI can't believe that none of the star trek movies I own, and none of the "digitally remastered" original series dvds don't have English Closed Caption.
18:16.42brastos/don't have/have/
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19:06.31mindjujureally?  those are my least favorite!
19:06.38mindjujui could totally save them for ya
19:06.38mgearywoot
19:06.57mindjujurunts have GOT to be the best thing out there
19:07.00mgearymeh
19:07.08mgearythey're not as good as chewy sweet tarts
19:07.11mindjujubetter than twizzlers by FAR
19:07.16mgearyheh
19:07.24mgearyi've got a bag of twizzlers on my desk as we speak
19:07.25mindjujuoh yeah, i love chewy sweet tarts
19:09.27mindjujumgeary, my director just sent me this - http://www.wikihow.com/Manage-Geeks
19:09.39mindjujui find the first paragraph to be amazingly spot-on
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19:13.18Jacob_KerrGood afternoon!
19:13.24mindjujuthis line in point 9 is awesome!
19:13.25mindjujuCaffeine is considered a standard tool among Geeks. It's good to keep a supply  of the caffeinated beverages your team prefers handy.
19:13.42mindjujueven though i prefer hot choco to caffeine
19:13.56mindjujusup Jacob_Kerr
19:14.07Jacob_Kerrnot much :)
19:14.18mgearymindjuju: reading now
19:14.43Jacob_Kerrmind can you repost link :)
19:14.46Jacob_KerrI just entered.
19:14.54mindjuju@Jacob_Kerr - http://www.wikihow.com/Manage-Geeks
19:14.57Jacob_Kerrthanx
19:15.00mindjujuthis article is SPOT-ON
19:16.11Jacob_KerrWow so true.
19:16.30Jacob_KerrI have had this debate with CEOs and other management a few times in the past.
19:16.39dataw0lfmind if I post a huffpost article?  It's a pretty good article on the drug war, not your standard huffpost fare.
19:16.54mindjujugo ahead dataw0lf
19:16.57dataw0lfty
19:17.00dataw0lfhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/obama-must-end-the-war-on_b_165785.html
19:19.43dataw0lfI really like Senator Webb, I wish he had been V.P. or SoD
19:21.04mgearyagreed on that
19:22.58dataw0lfmgeary: have you read his Navy Cross commendation citation?
19:23.03mgearynope
19:23.06Jacob_Kerrwar huh what is it good for absolutely nothing yeah!
19:23.35dataw0lfDeploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him ...
19:23.41dataw0lf... and threw a grenade that detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel.
19:23.47dataw0lfDespite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search that yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb ...
19:23.53dataw0lf... simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker.
19:23.59dataw0lfSorry for the paste, just an awesome story.
19:24.53mgearyyeah, talk about credibility
19:25.10Jacob_KerrLOL
19:25.30Jacob_Kerrdata agree with drug war or disagree?
19:25.46mgeary"data" ?
19:26.06Jacob_Kerrdatawolf.
19:26.15Jacob_KerrI just read that article it's a good one :)
19:28.33dataw0lfJacob_Kerr: I personally think it's a waste of taxpayer resources and none of the government's business.
19:28.47Jacob_KerrYes sir that's true.
19:29.08Jacob_KerrPlus the drug war just makes things worse as the article states in several ways..
19:29.12dataw0lfAnd in harsh economic times not something we should be concerned about except for regulating it.
19:29.24dataw0lf(and dun dun dun TAXING it)
19:30.20Jacob_Kerr"To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
19:30.21Jacob_Kerr:)
19:30.46Jacob_KerrNewton's third law no escaping it.
19:31.51dataw0lfI wonder if we'll see an influx of politicians running on legalization platforms as early as 2010, or if it'll take longer.
19:31.54Jacob_KerrI think all wars are a waste of time no one wins and it just makes things worse eh..
19:32.31dataw0lfJacob_Kerr: I disagree.  I think there are justifiable reasons to go to war.  But I think labelling criminalization and demonization of drugs as a "war" is pretty far-fetched.
19:33.58Jacob_Kerr"To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
19:34.20Jacob_KerrI live by that and that states war will cause nothing but an equal and opposite reaction..
19:34.48Jacob_KerrLike the article stated: "balloon effect": press down in one place, and the air rushes to another.
19:36.01dataw0lfthe complex social ties and phenomenon that humanity experiences don't necessarily follow the laws of physics.  
19:36.44Jacob_KerrI think it does.
19:37.57dataw0lfWell I think that's a bit naive ;-).
19:38.14Jacob_KerrIn one way or another in every case: "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
19:38.26dataw0lfThe "equal and opposite" reaction from a bomb involves the displacement of air and earth.  It doesn't involve society.
19:38.27mgearyunless you're Israel
19:38.28Jacob_KerrI have put a lot of thought into it, but I maybe wrong. :(
19:38.37mgearyin which case it's a disproportionate reaction
19:38.47mgearyeh? eh?
19:38.49mgeary:)
19:39.18Jacob_KerrLOL
19:39.18mgearyhey, that was a good one
19:39.35dataw0lf(that was pretty good)
19:40.06Jacob_KerrThis is one of those endless debates eh..
19:40.12dataw0lfIsrael follows the Zionist Laws of Physics "for every action there's a pathetically weak and ignorable opposite reaction that we will overblow and go nuts over"
19:40.27mgearyhahaha
19:40.32dataw0lf;-)
19:40.35dataw0lfI kid
19:40.41dataw0lf(not really)
19:40.59Jacob_KerrHmm this is not odd to hear since Israel was the next country we wanted to infiltrate
19:41.00mindjujudataw0lf, i think the article make some strong points and is one way to solve the problem, but not sure its the best solution
19:41.06Jacob_Kerrwe as in the US
19:41.34dataw0lfmindjuju: I certainly think we need to put some thought into it, agreed.  But I also think our policy right now is, obviously, not working.
19:41.47mindjujuyeah, mexico is out of control
19:41.54dataw0lfwell so is our prison system
19:41.58mindjujuall my family except my immediate family is in mexico
19:42.11dataw0lfAh, yea, that hits a little close to home, I'm sure.
19:42.15dataw0lfwhere at?
19:42.25mindjujuMonterrey
19:42.39mindjujunext biggest city south of Nuevo Laredo
19:42.44dataw0lfah wow
19:42.46mindjujuso things have gotten bad there
19:43.08dataw0lf:( sorry to hear that.
19:43.21mindjujuon the other hand, there has always been corruption in the police department
19:43.26Jacob_KerrWith more than 2.3 million people behind bars, the United States leads the world in both the number and percentage of residents it incarcerates, leaving far-more-populous China a distant second, according to a study by the nonpartisan Pew Center on the States.
19:43.26Jacob_KerrThe growth in prison population is largely because of tougher state and federal sentencing imposed since the mid-1980s.
19:43.31mindjujuthough not like this
19:44.04mindjujuJacob_Kerr - that's because they shoot their criminals
19:44.21mindjujuthe guy that sold the melamine to the milk factories, he's getting a bullet
19:44.34josephscottwho needs prisons when you can make people disappear?
19:44.44carmonyuh oh....
19:44.45Jacob_KerrLOL.
19:44.53dataw0lfMan you can get a bullet in China from looking the wrong way down a street.
19:45.02dataw0lfyea, I wouldn't compare us to China ;-)
19:45.06dataw0lfstill bad though.
19:46.18Jacob_KerrI think they are trying to hard you know. I think with less laws and control crime would go down.
19:46.45Jacob_Kerrthey as is in authorities etc. in the US
19:47.00mindjujucourse though in China, there were SEVERAL nights i was out in the city way late and never once felt unsafe
19:47.15mindjujucourse though, like i say, they just shoot 'em
19:47.49dataw0lfwell, yea, functional harsh communist regimes DO generally have safe streets ;-)
19:48.07Jacob_KerrLOL
19:48.22mindjujudude, several times i'd be in my dorm and see a laser light shine at my window
19:48.34mindjujuat first i thought it was somebody playing games
19:49.04mindjujuane while i haven't seen one in real-life, soembody told me later that it was laser mic
19:50.05Jacob_KerrWow.
19:51.51Jacob_KerrHistory just repeats itself eh..
19:52.35Jacob_KerrNope.
19:53.12eggyknap.oO('Dude, I'm watching your ziggurat')
19:53.43Jacob_KerrBut if they had the technology they would have done it that way right?
20:45.50mgeary~rlart
20:45.51jbotruns at itimber with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut
20:46.16itimberaaaahhhhhhhh
20:46.53itimberand pulls down and back to elbow jbot in the groin
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20:49.14itimberanyone hear of a company called powerpix?
20:52.04mindjujulocal web dev outfit if i recall
20:52.15mindjujuthough i don't remember how i know it
20:54.53itimberright on
21:01.23itimberLOL
21:01.26itimbercouldn't resist
21:02.39mindjujumgeary, that's funny
21:03.01jsmithmgeary: Good one!
21:03.14carmonymmmm Chinese is sooo yummy
21:04.20SunSparc~General Tso's Chicken++
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21:04.38carmonyI just when to eat at the place itimber and I went to a few months back
21:04.47itimbermmmmm
21:04.54itimberwas goooood food
21:05.00carmonyGreat Three Ingredient Kung Pow :P
21:06.14mindjujufor mgeary - http://indy-dont-play-that.ytmnd.com/
21:06.33mindjujuthe more you watch it, the funnier it gets
21:07.52itimbercarmony: we should do lunch again sometime
21:08.14carmonydefinitely
21:08.26carmonysee if we can get some other ogdeners to come :P
21:08.31carmonymaybe get thebigdog from layton :P
21:08.37itimberyep
21:09.30itimberisn't DexterTheDragon in the north-land as well?
21:09.41mindjujuyeah, but he works in the SLC
21:10.06itimberah
21:10.15thebigdogi am in slc now too
21:10.25carmonybummer :P
21:10.29itimberthebigdog:  dang
21:10.37carmonyOgden just seems to hate tech :P
21:11.46unumall your tech people in the area work for defense contractors
21:11.49unummostly on base
21:11.59itimberwell.... if you were a tech CEO, would you open doors in Ogden, where you can only get Comcast, or would you open your doors in SLC, where there's Utopia, tech people, hosting at XMission, etc???
21:12.02carmonyI'd hate to work on base
21:12.06carmonyI worked there once before :P
21:12.24carmonyHey, Roy can get Quest Fiber :P
21:12.30unumSLC does not have utopia, murray and midvale do(my company is in murray for that reason)
21:12.45unummosty of my family work on base
21:12.47itimberoh.... I'm mistaken
21:13.08unumpete and rocky did not see eye to eyo on that issue....
21:13.11carmonyEh, I don't like working for large organizations
21:13.24unumbut becker is willing to look at it so they might sign up yet
21:13.54unumI don't want to work for a large company ever again
21:14.05unumI like negotiating my pay directly with the owner
21:14.06itimberI'm just saying that Ogden has little to offer a decent sized tech company
21:14.17carmonyagreed
21:14.55itimbermindjuju: my 22mo old wears Converse All Stars
21:15.04itimber:)
21:15.22itimberwe bought him a pair
21:17.11mindjuju^5 itimber
21:17.20itimber^5 mindjuju
21:23.14mindjujudream
21:23.21mgearydoh
21:23.23mgearyfail
21:23.27mindjuju:)
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22:51.20itimberI'm going to roll.... later guys
22:51.26mindjujucya
23:01.51beandogwow its 4 oclock already
23:02.18beandogtime flies when you watch youtube all day
23:03.33beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjwwI1kVhwo&feature=subscription
23:20.12beandog~spin mindjuju
23:20.13jbotACTION spins mindjuju right round, baby. right round like a record, baby.
23:20.22beandoglol
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23:25.28herloUtah_Dave: ping
23:25.41herloUtah_Dave: RE: your scripts dependencies
23:32.42josephscottmacnewbold: you know anything about gubug.org?  appears to be dead, making it hard to manage my email list subscription
23:33.45herlojosephscott: manage what email list subscription?? :)
23:33.56herlogubug hasn't been active in at least a hear and a half
23:34.08josephscottI'm on the gubug email list
23:34.52josephscotttrying to consolidate to one email account
23:35.36herloyeah, I figured...
23:35.46herlojosephscott: whois gubug.org and email the contact
23:36.17josephscottseems unlikely to work since the email for the contact is @gubug.org :-)
23:37.12josephscottcontact is listed as being in South Ogden, maybe I should have DexterTheDragon hunt him down
23:37.33herlowhat's his name, I can't recall off hand
23:37.43herloI think he was part of the fslc at one point too
23:37.53josephscottAnthony Chavez
23:37.55beandogfslc?
23:38.18beandogoh, duh, n/m
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23:39.37herloyeah, that name sounds familiar, I found his email once, let me look
23:40.22herlojosephscott: Anthony Chavez <acc@gubug.org> - worked on 6/22/06 :)
23:40.40josephscottso did the web site and email list :-)
23:45.40carmonylol
23:50.50fungusherlo: Anthony idles in #gubug all day.  acc_
23:51.07fungushe may not answer immediately though.
23:51.40herlofungus: it's for josephscott
23:52.26josephscottgood thing that channel isn't hosted at gubug.org then

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