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| 15:04.37 | carmony | good morning |
| 15:14.39 | itimber | morning! |
| 15:16.52 | jsmith | morning! |
| 15:21.32 | utahcon | it's not morning! |
| 15:21.36 | utahcon | the sun hasn't come up |
| 15:22.03 | jsmith | It's been up here for at least four hours |
| 15:22.31 | utahcon | where are you jsmith |
| 15:23.06 | jsmith | utahcon: Virginia |
| 15:23.31 | utahcon | Oh yeah well is it snowing in Virginia this morning? |
| 15:25.48 | jsmith | As a matter of fact, it isn't... 46 degrees and sunny here |
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| 15:33.17 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
| 15:33.35 | Utah_Dave | dang, jsmith. Last week when I was in Virginia it was like 22 degrees |
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| 15:34.36 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: That was to scare you off! |
| 15:35.12 | herlo | morning all |
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| 16:00.09 | herlo | :) |
| 16:00.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:00.35 | SunSparc | ? |
| 16:00.56 | SunSparc | I was hoping Spring was almost here. |
| 16:01.02 | SunSparc | But it looks like it will be a bit longer. |
| 16:01.18 | SunSparc | Did the groundhog see his shadow? |
| 16:01.21 | herlo | SunSparc: spring comes every year |
| 16:01.26 | herlo | at the SAME TIME :) |
| 16:01.48 | utahcon | s/ar/at/ |
| 16:01.58 | SunSparc | heh, yes, the season does, but the weather does not. ;) |
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| 16:22.55 | itimber | good afternoon mgeary |
| 16:22.58 | itimber | :) |
| 16:23.09 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 16:23.12 | itimber | where you been man?? |
| 16:23.14 | itimber | lol |
| 16:23.24 | mgeary | slacking off today, apparently |
| 16:23.31 | itimber | apparently |
| 16:23.53 | carmony | lol, someone thinks they are funny ;) |
| 16:24.01 | itimber | lol |
| 16:24.08 | itimber | I'm probably the only one smiling |
| 16:24.09 | itimber | LOL |
| 16:25.05 | itimber | scratch that... I *know* that I'm the only one smiling |
| 16:25.07 | itimber | haha |
| 16:28.59 | carmony | brb, getting breakfast! :P |
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| 16:33.42 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
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| 16:39.32 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 16:40.54 | carmony | morning |
| 16:41.34 | mgeary | anyone here ever tried to use an Airport to port-forward outside connections to a Quicktime Streaming Server? I've got port 554 forwarded, but it's not working. I'm wondering if the Airport doesn't/can't port-forward udp traffic... |
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| 16:46.21 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:49.04 | tonedevf | i don't know anything about the Airport, but you may need more than just port 554 udp/tcp open to your QTSS, depending on what you're trying to do or how it's configured |
| 16:56.59 | DexterTheDragon | and I quote "I just noticed that the current UNIX timestamp starts with 1234, and found out that UNIX timestamp 1234567890 will occur this Friday at 23:31 UTC. Something to celebrate?" |
| 16:57.31 | carmony | only the truly nerdy ;) |
| 17:00.19 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: I agree |
| 17:00.33 | herlo | we should celebrate by creating a banner and hanging it from xmissions windows :) |
| 17:00.41 | herlo | or at the SL Library |
| 17:00.44 | herlo | :) |
| 17:01.14 | itimber | let's celebrate Unix Timestamp Day |
| 17:01.19 | herlo | lol |
| 17:05.31 | utahcon | should be at 4:31:30 MST |
| 17:05.52 | DexterTheDragon | am? |
| 17:06.21 | herlo | $ date -d @1234567890 |
| 17:06.21 | herlo | Fri Feb 13 16:31:30 MST 2009 |
| 17:08.24 | utahcon | see what happens when I don't post my full thoughts... |
| 17:08.30 | utahcon | I forget to post the date ... darn it |
| 17:08.44 | DexterTheDragon | awesome UNIX timestamp and friday the 13th |
| 17:10.02 | SunSparc | Umm... wow! |
| 17:10.28 | SunSparc | That is cool |
| 17:11.34 | herlo | k, so I figured out how long the date command will take unix timestamps. |
| 17:11.35 | herlo | $ date -d @2147483647 |
| 17:11.35 | herlo | Mon Jan 18 20:14:07 MST 2038 |
| 17:11.35 | herlo | [clints@herlo-lap ~]$ date -d @2147483648 |
| 17:11.36 | herlo | date: invalid date `@2147483648' |
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| 17:11.57 | herlo | <-- nerd |
| 17:12.09 | DexterTheDragon | yeah.... |
| 17:13.04 | SunSparc | ~nerds++ |
| 17:13.09 | SunSparc | ~geeks++ |
| 17:13.10 | DexterTheDragon | that would be the Y2K38 bug |
| 17:13.33 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma nerds |
| 17:13.33 | jbot | nerds has karma of 1 |
| 17:13.37 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma geeks |
| 17:13.37 | jbot | geeks has karma of 2 |
| 17:13.44 | mindjuju | def: Nerds have the added distinction of being "unattractive." |
| 17:13.55 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:13.56 | mindjuju | http://ask.yahoo.com/20060818.html |
| 17:13.59 | herlo | ~karma herlo |
| 17:13.59 | jbot | herlo has karma of 2 |
| 17:14.09 | SunSparc | ~herlo++ |
| 17:14.12 | herlo | :) |
| 17:14.12 | mindjuju | Geek is a more specific term. Back in the day, geeks worked at carnivals, and (according to the dictionary) "bit the heads off live chickens." |
| 17:14.25 | SunSparc | whoa! |
| 17:14.41 | herlo | that's been common knowledge for some time among us geeks |
| 17:14.47 | DexterTheDragon | I thought only Ozzy did that |
| 17:14.51 | mindjuju | Being called a "dork" is the biggest insult of the three. |
| 17:16.13 | tonedevf | herlo was eating chicken heads 36 years ago? |
| 17:16.33 | DexterTheDragon | gotta pay the bills somehow |
| 17:16.53 | mindjuju | i think herlo was 'in utero' 36 yrs ago |
| 17:16.54 | tonedevf | sounds like herlo was badder than ozzie ozborn |
| 17:18.10 | SunSparc | I don't remember chicken heads in utero... |
| 17:18.39 | mindjuju | well, at that time, they'd be 'processed chicken heads' |
| 17:18.58 | mindjuju | they wouldn't look like they do now, as they'd be processed and in the bloodstream as nutrients |
| 17:19.10 | tonedevf | ich |
| 17:19.42 | tonedevf | so herlo's mom was the bad one |
| 17:19.53 | tonedevf | bad as in the good bad |
| 17:20.47 | herlo | mindjuju: I could have been just born |
| 17:20.58 | mindjuju | sooo, how about that stock market? talk about a kick in the pants! |
| 17:21.20 | mindjuju | ah |
| 17:21.30 | herlo | but I don't remember |
| 17:21.42 | mindjuju | well, newborns don't do much gnawing on meat |
| 17:21.54 | DexterTheDragon | could you have bit them off live as a newborn? |
| 17:22.22 | mindjuju | though it could have been presented to you as either formula from a weird producer |
| 17:22.42 | mindjuju | Acme's Baby Formula -- now fortified with chicken heads! |
| 17:24.26 | herlo | mindjuju: stop it! |
| 17:24.46 | carmony | lol |
| 17:25.59 | mindjuju | ^5 dexterthedragon |
| 17:27.35 | herlo | mindjuju: lying about the stock market isn't helping |
| 17:29.10 | DexterTheDragon | snow |
| 17:29.17 | DexterTheDragon | ~snow |
| 17:29.18 | jbot | it has been said that snow is cold, or white, or comes down in flakes, or cocaine |
| 17:29.55 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, you almost made water come out my nose. |
| 17:30.04 | PoeticIntensity | "now fortified with chicken heads!" |
| 17:30.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:30.52 | PoeticIntensity | seems like everyone's awake this morning. |
| 17:30.55 | PoeticIntensity | ~awake |
| 17:30.56 | jbot | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 17:31.20 | PoeticIntensity | ~caffeine |
| 17:31.21 | jbot | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 17:31.52 | mindjuju | oh, that's awesome |
| 17:32.02 | mindjuju | who did made awake and caffeine? |
| 17:32.13 | mindjuju | was that you PoeticIntensity? |
| 17:32.45 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 17:32.49 | PoeticIntensity | I just tried em' |
| 17:32.52 | mindjuju | ah |
| 17:32.56 | mindjuju | i LOVE that move |
| 17:33.01 | mindjuju | oops, i meant movie |
| 17:33.33 | SunSparc | The Spice must flow! |
| 17:33.46 | SunSparc | I hear they are making a new version. |
| 17:34.50 | mindjuju | new? |
| 17:35.00 | mindjuju | as if the original wasn't enough |
| 17:35.30 | mindjuju | except, of course superseded by the extended version of the theatrical release 'so called 3hr version' |
| 17:36.14 | PoeticIntensity | hmm.... |
| 17:36.15 | herlo | mindjuju: haai? |
| 17:36.26 | mindjuju | yeah, do you like? |
| 17:36.30 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't even heard of "Boondock Saints" |
| 17:36.31 | herlo | lol |
| 17:36.41 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: I hear that's a great movie |
| 17:36.52 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: you should also watch 'The Boondocks' |
| 17:36.58 | mindjuju | boondock saints? where did you hear about that Poeticintensity? |
| 17:37.10 | PoeticIntensity | 7.8 at imdb |
| 17:37.21 | PoeticIntensity | hmm... google thought that's where the caffeine quote was from |
| 17:38.02 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity ends up coming off as a nerd |
| 17:38.10 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:38.14 | mindjuju | ah, i actually haven't been able to get my hands on boondock saints, but i've wanted to see it, the music is AWESOME |
| 17:38.17 | PoeticIntensity | as long as I'm not a dork, I'm cool... |
| 17:38.35 | mindjuju | originally though, it is a play from the book / movie Dune |
| 17:38.51 | PoeticIntensity | ah... Dune. |
| 17:39.52 | mindjuju | poeticintensity - here is the original |
| 17:39.53 | mindjuju | It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 17:39.57 | mgeary | hey, how can i confirm port forwarding for UDP? |
| 17:40.16 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 17:41.08 | SunSparc | The mentat creedo. |
| 17:41.58 | SunSparc | The SciFi 3 part mini series of the first two books was well done. |
| 17:42.17 | mindjuju | didn't see it |
| 17:42.21 | mindjuju | i'm true to the original |
| 17:43.47 | SunSparc | I love the original. I seem to remember a version that was longer than 3 hours. |
| 17:44.05 | SunSparc | An extended directors cut edition. 5 hours or something. |
| 17:44.06 | SunSparc | Been a while. |
| 17:44.33 | SunSparc | I love the still suits in the original movie better than the SciFi version. |
| 17:45.48 | carmony | pfft, I saw the lord-of-the-rings-eat-your-heart-out-super-duper-extended-12-disc-special-bleeding-eyes-edition thats 18 hours :P |
| 17:46.03 | SunSparc | ROFL |
| 17:46.06 | SunSparc | Nice carmony |
| 17:46.57 | DexterTheDragon | something good |
| 17:47.45 | SunSparc | ~techno |
| 17:47.46 | jbot | ACTION takes some bad XTC, jumps around like a dork for 19 hours and drops dead of dehydration. |
| 17:47.57 | SunSparc | heh |
| 17:48.01 | SunSparc | ~techno DexterTheDragon |
| 17:49.14 | SunSparc | ~techno |
| 17:49.15 | jbot | ACTION takes some bad XTC, jumps around like a dork for 19 hours and drops dead of dehydration. unhzs unhzs unhzs unhzs... |
| 17:57.52 | mgeary | BAH! |
| 17:58.15 | SunSparc | mgeary: Humbug? |
| 17:58.16 | mgeary | turns out you cannot set ranges of ports on the Airport to port-forward, and at the same time, you can only forward a total of 20 ports |
| 17:58.38 | SunSparc | Which version of the Airport do you have? |
| 17:58.51 | mgeary | the pointy cone one |
| 17:58.53 | mgeary | white |
| 17:59.38 | SunSparc | Ah, yes, the 20th century one. Decent WAP's. The new ones are even more better. |
| 17:59.40 | mgeary | apparently you can specify ranges in a later model |
| 17:59.45 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:59.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:00.04 | SunSparc | ~upgrade mgeary |
| 18:02.12 | mgeary | bah |
| 18:02.40 | mgeary | stupid thing is, you can set up QTSS to stream through one TCP port instead of several UDP ports, but the only TCP port they give you is 80 |
| 18:02.48 | mgeary | so you can't run this on a webserver |
| 18:02.49 | mgeary | bah |
| 18:02.51 | mgeary | so close |
| 18:02.54 | mgeary | story of my life |
| 18:13.47 | tonedevf | mgeary: is it QTSS or the airport that is restricting you to 80? |
| 18:14.34 | tonedevf | the Darwin QuickTime Streaming Server can stream via any tcp port you want, but you have to configure it with a text file and not a candy-colored GUI. |
| 18:14.51 | tonedevf | so maybe there's a conf file under the hood that you can tweak |
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| 18:24.12 | mgeary | tonedevf: QTSS |
| 18:24.24 | mgeary | this is Darwin |
| 18:24.27 | mgeary | so point me to that file! |
| 18:26.04 | tonedevf | by Darwin i meant the open-source version of the streaming server that works on linux, not the BSD core. Anyhow, on linux, in the application install root the master configuration file is called streamingserver.xml |
| 18:29.29 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:29.32 | mgeary | i know what you mean |
| 18:29.38 | mgeary | this is the OSS version, but still on a Mac |
| 18:29.42 | tonedevf | ah |
| 18:29.43 | mgeary | just gotta try to find that file |
| 18:30.36 | mgeary | i've just been using the web admin interface |
| 18:31.17 | tonedevf | by twiddling the conf file i was able to get the tcp-wrapped streaming happening on other ports |
| 18:32.04 | tonedevf | are you just doing on-demand streaming or are you also doing live broadcasting? |
| 18:32.21 | mgeary | on-demand |
| 18:32.34 | mgeary | it's just to make my home library of movies available from outside my home |
| 18:33.14 | tonedevf | I bet a dime that on the Mac version of DSS, the configuration is actually stored in a .plist file. |
| 18:34.55 | mgeary | no doubt, but *finding* it is another issue |
| 18:35.01 | tonedevf | i can get you some strings to grep for, if that'd be helpful |
| 18:35.23 | mgeary | sure |
| 18:36.26 | tonedevf | max_retransmit_delay |
| 18:36.26 | tonedevf | rtsp_port |
| 18:36.26 | tonedevf | tcp_seconds_to_buffer |
| 18:36.26 | tonedevf | max_tcp_buffer_size |
| 18:36.27 | mgeary | aha |
| 18:37.10 | mgeary | found it |
| 18:39.43 | mgeary | tonedevf_lunch: if you could tell me what setting to change, it'd be helpful |
| 18:47.18 | mindjuju | how can a band win a grammy after it has been proved conclusively they stole the music? |
| 18:47.19 | mindjuju | http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5180EP20090209?feedType=RSS&feedName=entertainmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true |
| 19:06.04 | macnewbold | where's the "they stole the music" article? |
| 19:06.47 | SunSparc | "I STOLE THE BABY!" |
| 19:07.52 | mindjuju | oh, if you gogole coldplay and joe |
| 19:07.56 | mindjuju | you'll come up wiht several |
| 19:08.00 | dataw0lf | it hasn't been proven conclusively. It hasn't even gone to court yet, Satriani has just sued. |
| 19:08.24 | mindjuju | yes that's true |
| 19:09.22 | SunSparc | Too bad, I really like Coldplay |
| 19:09.34 | mindjuju | macnewbold - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvB9Pj9Znsw |
| 19:18.42 | undertakingyou | mindjuju: they won the award because it is for the album. I think they admitted to stealing one song. |
| 19:19.44 | josephscott | undertakingyou: they haven't admitted to anything, watch the 60 minutes interview they did |
| 19:29.13 | carmony | wow, the more I investigate this, the more it looks like Viva la Vida is VERY similar to Joe Santriani's song. |
| 19:30.00 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:30.24 | carmony | In Coldplay's defense, it might have been a very innocent thing that happened. Who knows. |
| 19:31.07 | carmony | Once I was writing a song, and after a month of working on it Someone commented "Oh, you're playing so-and-sos new single." |
| 19:31.35 | carmony | Turns out that I heard the song once, and so when I was writing some of the stuff in teh very back of my brain started creeping in cause it sounded good |
| 19:32.20 | mindjuju | and that maybe, but upon being presented with the evidence that that is what happened, you don't go dodging every constable with a notice of suit |
| 19:32.32 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:32.48 | carmony | the fact that the tempo, groove, AND melody are sooooo similar |
| 19:36.03 | carmony | However, in cold play's defence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4_f6pfabQk |
| 19:40.25 | SunSparc | Nice, popular chords. |
| 19:42.53 | SunSparc | Similar to how so many songs use the Pachelbel's Canon chords. |
| 19:49.07 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM |
| 19:57.29 | mindjuju | this argues from a music theory perspective - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGGFJLpbu4 - though i got to admit, a bunch of this is over my head, though thebigdog prolly would understand better than i |
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| 20:54.05 | mgeary | so, let's talk user/login table theory for a bit |
| 20:55.12 | mgeary | i've played around with a couple of different approaches. Looking for new ideas. I like the thought of having a very liteweight login table, that only has the bare minimum needed to authenticate a user, but that almost always necessitates having a heavier "user detail" table of some sort, or possibly even multiple such tables if you store different data for different kinds of users |
| 20:55.33 | mgeary | we've dealt with that by having views joining detail tables with the login table |
| 20:55.44 | mgeary | but i'm still not crazy about it |
| 20:56.29 | mgeary | but it's a million times better than having to auth against multiple username tables |
| 20:56.44 | carmony | I agree |
| 20:57.22 | mgeary | i like how django can have a model extend from multiple other models |
| 20:57.33 | josephscott | mgeary: what's your goal in trying different approaches? what qualities would make for a "good/better" system? |
| 20:57.37 | orsonj | Is there really that much of a performance hit for having details in the the same table as the auth? |
| 20:57.47 | mgeary | orsonj: it's not performance i'm after |
| 20:57.48 | mgeary | it's elegance |
| 20:58.14 | mgeary | for example, let's say you have "customers" and you have "staff". You store vastly more information on customers, but some of it is common with what you might store for staff |
| 20:58.21 | orsonj | right |
| 20:58.36 | mgeary | and staff members need to be able to have customer experience, so it's useful to consolidate logins at least |
| 20:59.55 | mgeary | bah. Cup-O-Noodles has significantly weakened the flavoring in their Chicken Cup :/ |
| 21:00.04 | orsonj | If that is the case, I see no reason that another user detail table would make it less elegent |
| 21:00.41 | mgeary | well, one item on the table is whether having a table that is a superset of all desired user info is more elegant than two leaner tables |
| 21:04.02 | orsonj | I think a seperate table for each class of information feels better to me. (login information, employee information, customer information, etc.) |
| 21:04.53 | orsonj | That way you don't accidently get customers with employee type data stuck in somehow. |
| 21:07.06 | thebigdog | mindjuju, in regards to coldplay....they better settle out of court |
| 21:08.22 | mindjuju | thebigdog - did that vid make sense to you? |
| 21:08.32 | mindjuju | i understood about half (if that) of the music theory |
| 21:08.39 | thebigdog | yes very much so |
| 21:09.11 | mindjuju | ytmnd |
| 21:09.21 | thebigdog | it reminds me of vanilla ice and his ripe off of david bowie |
| 21:09.36 | mindjuju | oh, the "Under Pressure" song |
| 21:09.38 | mindjuju | that's hilarious |
| 21:09.53 | mindjuju | have you heard his explanation to that? |
| 21:11.29 | mindjuju | netsplit? |
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| 21:29.55 | dataw0lf | mgeary: seen the new pylons site? |
| 21:30.01 | mgeary | nope |
| 21:30.03 | mgeary | why? |
| 21:31.29 | dataw0lf | I just like it. |
| 21:49.52 | DexterTheDragon | http://coolepochcountdown.com/ |
| 21:58.40 | Utah_Dave | I've got a database/hardware question. |
| 21:59.05 | Utah_Dave | I've written a python script that imports a bunch of csv files into an sqlite database |
| 21:59.56 | Utah_Dave | It seems to be disk i/o bound. It's quite a bit faster running it across the network with the sqlite file on our beefy server with a nice raid compared to running it on my local workstation with one hard drive |
| 22:00.30 | Utah_Dave | Would I see a speed increase if I were importing it into a MySQL database on my local machine? |
| 22:01.02 | Utah_Dave | Or am I stuck with the same speed regardless of the database because of the hard disk restraints |
| 22:01.02 | Utah_Dave | ? |
| 22:01.25 | herlo | mysql has a csv import function |
| 22:01.40 | herlo | was looking at it the other day |
| 22:01.48 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, i would test it out and see....i think mysql might have more memory to deal with the import |
| 22:02.10 | Utah_Dave | herlo: yeah, I saw that, but I have to do a bunch of cleanup first. these csv files are full of errors |
| 22:03.09 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave: are you cleaning and loading at the same time? |
| 22:03.31 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'll give it a whirl. |
| 22:04.10 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: only a little bit of clean up. I'm reading each line, running a couple of checks, then importing it |
| 22:05.17 | mgeary | dataw0lf: it does look nice. Do you have much experience with pylons? |
| 22:05.18 | DexterTheDragon | the way I used to do something like that was to cleanup the file and create a new csv file, then load it into mysql using load data infile |
| 22:05.50 | dataw0lf | mgeary: decent amount; |
| 22:05.53 | dataw0lf | s/;/. |
| 22:06.32 | mgeary | strengths? weaknesses? |
| 22:06.39 | unum | how do I give a user full access to a database with the mysql client |
| 22:06.54 | dataw0lf | mgeary: a lot less tightly coupled than Django, for better or worse. Depends on your project. |
| 22:07.13 | DexterTheDragon | unum: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/grant.html |
| 22:07.14 | mgeary | yeah, it looked that way, when i saw how it supports SQA, etc |
| 22:07.22 | mgeary | s/SQA/SA |
| 22:07.26 | dataw0lf | yea, you can pretty much plug anything into there. |
| 22:07.39 | mgeary | does it use an ActiveRecord pattern? |
| 22:07.46 | dataw0lf | I like paster |
| 22:07.50 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: Hmm. that would work. |
| 22:07.56 | thebigdog | unum, here is a good article - http://www.devshed.com/c/a/MySQL/Client-Access-Control-with-MySQL/ |
| 22:08.14 | dataw0lf | mgeary: not really |
| 22:10.07 | unum | I need to do database.* |
| 22:11.41 | herlo | Utah_Dave: oh, sorry to hear that man |
| 22:12.00 | Utah_Dave | herlo: sorry, to hear what? |
| 22:12.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: that you have to clean it up first |
| 22:12.49 | herlo | Utah_Dave: out of curiousity, is the script written well enough to be used by others? I'd like to <cough>borrow</cough> the code |
| 22:13.13 | herlo | I've got a bunch of imports I've gotta do... |
| 22:13.16 | Utah_Dave | yeah, the files are coming from several 3rd party vendors. Some come in one huge csv file, others send a whole bunch of excel files, some one big excel file with a bunch of worksheets |
| 22:13.24 | herlo | and have been debating the options... |
| 22:13.37 | Utah_Dave | herlo: yeah, I could share what I've got. |
| 22:13.51 | herlo | Utah_Dave: so that sounds like mien except I only have one 3rd party vendor with about 20 tables |
| 22:14.06 | herlo | and I'll be importing it daily so I don't wanna have to 'clean it up' |
| 22:15.34 | Utah_Dave | herlo: exactly. The lady that has been doing the imports has been spending 3 to 4 days manually cleaning up the files each month |
| 22:15.49 | herlo | ugh, I can't do that :) |
| 22:16.01 | Utah_Dave | When her supervisor saw that the first version of the script cleaned up and imported all of them in an hour, he about flipped |
| 22:16.13 | herlo | I bet! |
| 22:16.30 | herlo | I've more or less saved my company a few hundred hours of work each month already |
| 22:16.45 | mgeary | yeah, it's insane how much time gets wasted like that |
| 22:17.33 | mgeary | i love writing tools to automate stuff like that |
| 22:17.59 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: me, too. |
| 22:18.33 | mgeary | did you use python? |
| 22:18.51 | Utah_Dave | I saved the gov over 700,000 tax payer dollars last year. |
| 22:18.56 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: yeah, I used python |
| 22:19.00 | mgeary | FTW |
| 22:19.32 | Utah_Dave | I tend to use PHP for any web stuff I do, and python for everything else |
| 22:19.51 | mgeary | or python for everything ;) |
| 22:20.25 | herlo | python is awesome for the web too |
| 22:20.26 | Utah_Dave | I still love using php for web stuff. |
| 22:24.34 | DexterTheDragon | love replacing people with a small shell script |
| 22:26.27 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: I'm sure you do |
| 22:27.57 | DexterTheDragon | although I never got the salary from the person I replaced..... |
| 22:29.15 | carmony | lol, I wish I could get 50% of the salary of the people I've replaced |
| 22:29.22 | carmony | I could retire! :P |
| 22:29.29 | Utah_Dave | carmony: me, too |
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| 22:31.34 | thebigdog | http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/05/news/companies/ibm_jobs/index.htm?postversion=2009020515 |
| 22:31.50 | thebigdog | my favorite part - "IBM not only is offshoring its work to low-cost countries, now IBM wants employees to offshore themselves," spokesman Lee Conrad told CNN. |
| 22:37.17 | thebigdog | oh man that would be nice |
| 22:37.29 | beandog | bahamavention! |
| 22:37.54 | thebigdog | i think it is funny that they want their employees to work at countries that have encryption regulations |
| 22:38.10 | beandog | like Iran? |
| 22:38.47 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad4Nf4ebTG0 |
| 22:38.54 | thebigdog | i know that if i went to some of those countries i would loose my security clearance |
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| 22:44.05 | tonedevf | i'm asking this again since no one was around over the weekend when i first asked it: |
| 22:44.07 | tonedevf | I've got a friend with a pretty ambitious business networking website idea that'll require some advanced content management development skills. Custom content types for user accounts and business partners are mandatory. More stock features would include blog aggregation and a forum. She's got the funds to pay for a competent development company with a team large enough to meet a 4 month deadline. What local companies do you suggest? Thanks in advance |
| 22:44.48 | mgeary | hmm |
| 22:44.55 | mgeary | we may have something useful there |
| 22:45.14 | tonedevf | what company are you with, mgeary? |
| 22:45.19 | mgeary | Treeline Group |
| 22:46.22 | mgeary | we've got a reusable subscription website infrastructure with rich-media library support, e-commerce, forums, ratings, messaging, mass-emailing, etc. built in |
| 22:46.47 | mgeary | but it's not clear from your description how much overlap might exist |
| 22:47.07 | tonedevf | yeah, it's not clear from her explanation to me either ; ) got time to meet with her? |
| 22:47.30 | mgeary | probably. PM me |
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| 23:03.04 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: does that make you important!! |
| 23:03.37 | DexterTheDragon | nope, just all the more nerdy |
| 23:05.08 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: White and Nerdy! |
| 23:05.42 | carmony | lol, http://screencast.com/t/J04HXytyLx |
| 23:06.19 | carmony | Wednesday, April 04, 2181 5:51:06 AM - 6666666666 |
| 23:06.36 | herlo | carmony: but the date -d command stops |
| 23:06.41 | fungus | but computers will blow up before then |
| 23:06.42 | DexterTheDragon | so the world ended in 1909 |
| 23:06.57 | herlo | lol |
| 23:07.58 | fungus | 19 January 2038 |
| 23:08.15 | herlo | carmony: dfd |
| 23:08.17 | herlo | 10:11 <+herlo> k, so I figured out how long the date command will take unix timestamps. +optikal |
| 23:08.22 | herlo | 10:11 <+herlo> $ date -d @2147483647 +orsonj |
| 23:08.26 | herlo | 10:11 <+herlo> Mon Jan 18 20:14:07 MST 2038 +SunSparc |
| 23:08.27 | carmony | lol, that reminds me of a neighbor that I had that was super freaked about Y2k |
| 23:08.30 | herlo | 10:11 <+herlo> [clints@herlo-lap ~]$ date -d @2147483648 +synic |
| 23:08.34 | herlo | 10:11 <+herlo> date: invalid date `@2147483648' +unum |
| 23:08.38 | herlo | 10:11 <+herlo> <-- nerd |
| 23:08.40 | herlo | oops, too many lines... |
| 23:08.54 | carmony | lol |
| 23:09.02 | DexterTheDragon | ~flood herlo |
| 23:09.03 | jbot | ACTION blasts herlo with a huge firehose then strangles herlo with it |
| 23:09.12 | herlo | ~simpsons DexterTheDragon |
| 23:09.13 | jbot | ACTION sends DexterTheDragon chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 23:09.14 | fungus | I worked for a company back then that sold hardware devices to "fix" the y2k bug |
| 23:09.27 | herlo | fungus: hardware devices? |
| 23:09.40 | carmony | my neightbor called almost every manufacturer of everything he owned to ask if it would survive Y2K |
| 23:09.40 | fungus | Yup, PCI cards that fixed the BIOS clock |
| 23:09.52 | carmony | and he didn't believe half of them |
| 23:10.01 | carmony | but he called about his TV, his Fridge, his Microwave, etc. |
| 23:10.05 | fungus | Also had ISA versions. |
| 23:12.59 | fungus | http://web.archive.org/web/19991128081240/www.intelliquis.com/products/isa.stm |
| 23:15.23 | beandog | why would you need a PCI card? |
| 23:15.28 | beandog | couldn't you just use some software? |
| 23:15.40 | beandog | or did the PCI card override the BIOS timer |
| 23:15.49 | beandog | or something |
| 23:16.19 | fungus | overrode the BIOS clock |
| 23:16.30 | fungus | Came with software too. |
| 23:16.43 | fungus | Made a lot of money selling that crap. |
| 23:17.04 | fungus | But it only lasted a little while, then they imploded. |
| 23:17.47 | fungus | They resorted to spamming as a service for the last 6 months or so. |
| 23:18.07 | fungus | That's where I got most of my mailserver admin experience. :) |
| 23:18.27 | beandog | I had one job where, I realize now, I was social engineering people. |
| 23:18.44 | herlo | fungus: very interesting |
| 23:18.44 | beandog | of course the whole business was in morally and legally gray areas. |
| 23:20.09 | beandog | now I sell marionetas on a Mexican beach. |
| 23:20.24 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:21.05 | herlo | Boneco de fio ou marioneta (em Portugal) ou marionete (no Brasil), do termo francês "marionette", é uma espécie de boneco manipulado, por fios ... |
| 23:34.53 | macnewbold | herlo: why you speaking portugues now? |
| 23:35.00 | mgeary | wow. A strawberry-watermelon Jolly Rancherâ¢, and suddenly i'm back in 1979 |
| 23:35.05 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:35.13 | macnewbold | ~annoy carmony |
| 23:35.14 | jbot | ACTION dances around carmony, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy carmony to the maximum amount |
| 23:35.14 | SunSparc | ~Jolly Rancher++ |
| 23:35.15 | jbot | ACTION points to Rancher++ and sings, "For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow! For he's a jolly good fellow, that nobody can deny!" |
| 23:35.22 | mgeary | hahaah |
| 23:35.25 | macnewbold | nice |
| 23:35.37 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:35.53 | mgeary | ~jolly SunSparc |
| 23:35.53 | jbot | ACTION points to SunSparc and sings, "For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow! For he's a jolly good fellow, that nobody can deny!" |
| 23:36.35 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 23:39.37 | mgeary | how'd it go, brasto ? |
| 23:39.51 | herlo | macnewbold: copy and paste :) |
| 23:40.23 | brasto | I think it went well. I experienced deja vu, it's right behind treeline. |
| 23:40.39 | brasto | above was a response to mgeary |
| 23:41.34 | mgeary | oh yeah? |
| 23:41.40 | brasto | thebigdog: I have messages to udbug from so-called 'newbs' moderated. I set your account to always allow. Sorry I didn't notice it sooner. It's blocked a lot of spam though. |
| 23:41.42 | mgeary | what kind of place? |
| 23:42.09 | thebigdog | brasto, np |
| 23:44.39 | brasto | mgeary: http://www.moregoodfoundation.org/ |
| 23:44.48 | mgeary | ah, i've seen their sign |
| 23:44.54 | brasto | it would be a mix of web dev and sys admin |
| 23:45.05 | herlo | brasto: ahh, that's the place where Richard Miller used to work |
| 23:45.09 | brasto | I've decided the commute to Orem, about 40 minutes isn't so bad |
| 23:45.25 | herlo | it's against traffic |
| 23:45.30 | brasto | in fact, it's pleasant if you have the right songs on the radio |
| 23:45.33 | brasto | right |
| 23:45.47 | brasto | herlo: right on both |
| 23:45.53 | mgeary | NPR++ |
| 23:45.56 | brasto | Richard referred me |
| 23:46.04 | herlo | yes, I know |
| 23:46.17 | herlo | s/know/figured/ |
| 23:46.22 | brasto | lol |
| 23:46.48 | brasto | it would be a contract job most likely, but I'm leaning more toward contracts for a while anyway. |
| 23:46.52 | mgeary | well, that's cool. What's the job description, brasto ? |
| 23:49.34 | brasto | mgeary: They didn't have an official job description. It's freebsd system admin and working with CMS products like Wordpress and Drupal. I hope I can take on a real web dev project though - something low impact and low priority so I can learn it but not effect business when I take longer than more experienced people. |
| 23:49.58 | mgeary | interesting |
| 23:50.03 | mgeary | hope it works out well for you |
| 23:50.17 | brasto | thank you. |
| 23:52.49 | brasto | herlo, does your thinkpad battery last very long after a few months? |
| 23:53.08 | brasto | Mine now lasts about 15 minutes. |
| 23:58.26 | brasto | mgeary: I'll be working contracts with trevyn meyer as well. |
| 23:58.32 | brasto | http://esource.com |
| 23:59.21 | herlo | brasto: my laptop battery still lasts hours |