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| 00:00.42 | undertakingyou | Will that kill my mcrypt stuff? Because the other class that I referenced kinda did it that way. |
| 00:05.39 | DexterTheDragon | undertakingyou: well your basically passing null as the parameters to the mcrypt functions |
| 00:06.22 | undertakingyou | ok, so I just changed everything so that it is $this->size = function($this->var1,$this->var2); |
| 00:06.28 | undertakingyou | Is that the proper way? |
| 00:09.22 | DexterTheDragon | yeah it has to do with the variable scope |
| 00:09.38 | DexterTheDragon | whether they are local to the function or part of the class |
| 00:10.11 | DexterTheDragon | so not everything will need $this-> just things that need access through the class |
| 00:11.02 | undertakingyou | oh, I see. |
| 00:11.10 | undertakingyou | Perfect. Let me know about the drink. |
| 00:11.45 | undertakingyou | I'll give this a shot and see what happens |
| 00:15.22 | undertakingyou | DexterTheDragon: so I changed the variables to the $this-> stuff but I still get the initialization errors. But no other warnings. |
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| 16:24.54 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:25.11 | thebigdog | did mindjuju ever get his ubuntu working? |
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| 16:35.49 | _carmony | morning thebigdog, I'm not sure if he did or not |
| 16:39.25 | thebigdog | oh |
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| 16:45.29 | thebigdog | mindjuju, your back |
| 16:45.41 | thebigdog | did you ever get nvidia working...sorry i had to run to dinner in provo |
| 16:45.43 | mindjuju | yup, still on my laptop |
| 16:45.55 | mindjuju | no worries about taking off |
| 16:45.59 | thebigdog | you got it working? |
| 16:46.02 | mindjuju | gave me chance to do more research |
| 16:46.13 | mindjuju | the new install is foobed |
| 16:46.30 | mindjuju | i think what we need to do is somehow get to nvidia-settings BEFORE the driver is selected |
| 16:46.47 | mindjuju | i googled ubuntu "4 monitors" nvidia geforce |
| 16:46.58 | mindjuju | so i know i'm not unique, and that it is doable |
| 16:48.20 | mindjuju | i am kind of in a pickle right now though |
| 16:48.42 | mindjuju | when i try to ssh into the new installation of ubuntu, it seems to have cached the old ubuntu ssh key |
| 16:48.51 | mindjuju | and now it says it isn't the same and won't let me connect |
| 16:49.00 | mindjuju | how do i get it to dump it and let me connect to this new install? |
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| 16:53.16 | mindjuju | so does anybody know how to clear the rsa host key? |
| 16:56.14 | mgeary | for a remote server? |
| 16:56.21 | mgeary | you getting man-in-the-middle warnings? |
| 16:56.37 | mindjuju | hi mgeary, i just deleted the file contents, but yeah, for the man in the middle warning |
| 16:56.44 | mgeary | so it's working now? |
| 16:56.46 | mindjuju | but i know it was safe, i just reinstalled ubuntu |
| 16:56.49 | mindjuju | yeah, working now |
| 16:56.51 | mindjuju | thx though! |
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| 16:57.50 | itimber | sup guys |
| 17:00.44 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you need to find the file that holds your keys |
| 17:00.49 | thebigdog | then delete that entry |
| 17:01.21 | thebigdog | so mindjuju you dont have nvidia working yet? |
| 17:02.34 | utahcon | I will admit that I got my nVidia working using the repository drivers |
| 17:03.48 | mindjuju | thebigdog, no on the nvidia |
| 17:04.12 | thebigdog | you have ubuntu installed |
| 17:04.23 | thebigdog | what are you working on now to get it working? |
| 17:04.30 | mindjuju | xorg.conf |
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| 17:05.20 | thebigdog | what is your xorg.conf file look like? |
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| 17:05.26 | thebigdog | are you getting errors with it? |
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| 17:06.04 | mindjuju | yeah, we added the nvidia drivers yesterday and on reloading, it foobed |
| 17:06.06 | mgeary | just think, mindjuju, you're one day closer to getting your Mac!! |
| 17:06.15 | mindjuju | so i'm trying to back that out, and get back to gdm |
| 17:09.01 | unum | I have a fedora machine that I upgrade from 9->10 and now I can't login via gdm but I can use it with startx |
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| 17:25.05 | thebigdog | mindjuju, what errors are you getting in xorg |
| 17:26.22 | mindjuju | to late, it's fried, if the dang thing can't boot off of vesa drivers, then what's the point? |
| 17:26.57 | mindjuju | i've blasted that install of ubuntu out of orbit, and trying a fresh install again. except this time, i'm doing a guided partition, and it's taking FREAKIN' forever to do |
| 17:27.34 | thebigdog | hee |
| 17:27.35 | mgeary | just think, mindjuju, you're 30 minutes closer to getting your Mac!! ;) |
| 17:27.47 | mgeary | i'll stop now |
| 17:27.55 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:28.07 | mindjuju | i'm not opposed to mac, we just don't have the $$ for it |
| 17:29.28 | utahcon1 | who does have the $$$ for a mac? |
| 17:29.52 | mindjuju | curious, when doing guided partitioning it doesn't wipe out what's there currently, it just reconfigs it |
| 17:30.04 | SunSparc | Mac's are worth the money. |
| 17:30.16 | mindjuju | i don't want ANY bit of what was there before, clean slate |
| 17:30.16 | herlo | SunSparc: only if you can replace their os :) |
| 17:30.28 | SunSparc | The time alone that you spend messing around with Windows will replace your money 10 fold. |
| 17:30.33 | utahcon | I don't see any reason that a mac is truly superior to my linux box. |
| 17:30.45 | herlo | mindjuju: are you partitioning a Linux machine? Which distro? |
| 17:30.55 | SunSparc | herlo: ;P |
| 17:30.58 | mindjuju | ubuntu, 3x install in less than 24hrs |
| 17:31.07 | herlo | utahcon: nope |
| 17:31.09 | mindjuju | i'm going for the record |
| 17:31.24 | herlo | mindjuju: in the partitioning section, you should be able to do a custom partitioning and remove the old partitions |
| 17:31.49 | herlo | mindjuju: the record for installs is much higher methinks :) |
| 17:32.27 | mindjuju | herlo, doing just that, manual partitions, wiping out what was there and starting fresh |
| 17:32.46 | herlo | :) |
| 17:32.49 | mindjuju | i've been reading some forum posts, and it seems that dexterthedragon's original idea of using nvidia-settings is right on |
| 17:32.54 | herlo | mindjuju: I guess I didn't understand that you were doing that |
| 17:33.10 | mindjuju | the only prob is that how do i get nvidia-settings? |
| 17:33.29 | mindjuju | seems like last time i tried to just get those, it told me it didn't have any drivers, and that's where things get jacked up |
| 17:35.33 | fungus | end user configuration of multiple video cards/monitors is probably Linux's most critical flaw IMHO |
| 17:35.43 | mgeary | utahcon: how can you say that after watching mindjuju go through driver hell for two days now? |
| 17:36.05 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 17:36.08 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
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| 17:37.13 | fungus | mindjuju: you might try a clean install with one video card and one monitor, then get the nvidia driviers installed. |
| 17:37.37 | fungus | Once everything is working, add a monitor, then add a video card and go from there. |
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| 17:39.56 | fungus | The easy GUI tools will get you as far as one monitor/video card. After that you venture into the black magic of xorg.conf |
| 17:40.27 | fungus | two monitors on one card is simple though. One line addition to the xorg.conf. |
| 17:40.39 | utahcon | just make sure to make backups before you edit xorg.conf... cause then a simple login and switch of the file fixes all |
| 17:40.41 | fungus | It's the addition of the second card where things get hairy |
| 17:45.50 | _carmony | ROFL! I just optimized a query that took 120 seconds to 0.4 seconds :P |
| 17:47.38 | beandog | did you change the SELECT to a DELETE? |
| 17:50.37 | utahcon | wtg _carmony |
| 17:53.05 | mindjuju | you know what i hate, when you're doing something through the gui, and it says you don't have rights to do so, but it doesn't give you the option to type in the password to show you do have rights |
| 17:53.09 | mindjuju | it just doesn't let you do it |
| 17:53.26 | mindjuju | that's got to be my 2nd pet peeve |
| 17:53.31 | beandog | mindjuju, huh? |
| 17:53.32 | beandog | like what |
| 17:53.42 | mindjuju | like i just installed ubuntu onto my box |
| 17:53.51 | mindjuju | and i want to make a copy of a file called xorg.conf |
| 17:53.58 | mindjuju | and i want to call it xorg.bk |
| 17:54.02 | beandog | yah |
| 17:54.09 | mindjuju | and so i do that through the gui, but instead of that happening, nothing happens |
| 17:54.13 | mindjuju | no error warning, nothing |
| 17:54.19 | beandog | which gui |
| 17:54.23 | mindjuju | gnome |
| 17:54.25 | beandog | probably uh |
| 17:54.26 | beandog | what is it. |
| 17:54.28 | beandog | nautilus |
| 17:54.47 | beandog | konqueror ftw |
| 17:54.48 | beandog | :) |
| 17:55.00 | mindjuju | so when i make a copy of xorg.conf to the desktop, rename and then drag back, it says i don't have rights |
| 17:55.10 | mindjuju | but why not ask me then, as it does in other locations, what the password is |
| 17:55.15 | mindjuju | and then move the file? |
| 17:55.31 | mindjuju | maybe i have too much winders in my mind, but that just makes sense to me |
| 17:55.36 | beandog | well |
| 17:55.42 | beandog | that action would be pretty rare, methinks |
| 17:55.57 | mindjuju | seems to happen to me all the thime |
| 17:55.58 | beandog | besides |
| 17:55.59 | mindjuju | time |
| 17:56.14 | beandog | it's not just a matter of writing it, its a matter of permissions, who the owner is, etc. |
| 17:56.15 | mindjuju | something i want to do in the gui, that my login doesn't have friggin' rights for |
| 17:56.34 | mindjuju | well, sure, why not ask if it can't do something, hey, you got the rgiths? |
| 17:56.46 | beandog | mindjuju, thats waht Im saying, its not just a rights issue |
| 17:56.55 | beandog | Say you have something belonging to steve:apache in /var/tmp/foo |
| 17:57.00 | mindjuju | k |
| 17:57.12 | beandog | If you want to overwrite that, what user do you need access to? root? steve? |
| 17:57.22 | mindjuju | root or steve |
| 17:57.28 | beandog | And if you do overwrite it, what ownership do you set it to? steve: ? steve:apache? root? root:apache ? |
| 17:57.31 | mindjuju | steve as owner, root as demi-god |
| 17:57.42 | fungus | mindjuju, you can start a nautilus window as root. |
| 17:57.50 | beandog | you can't really automate stuff like that. Windows works because it "guesses" what you wanna do, but it also lets anyone do whatever they want as well |
| 17:57.51 | fungus | Alt-F2, sudo nautilus |
| 17:58.00 | beandog | yah, that's probably the simplest thing to do |
| 17:58.17 | mindjuju | k, i'll do that, alt-f2 |
| 17:58.19 | mindjuju | thx!@ |
| 17:58.27 | mindjuju | err, didn't mean that @ to jump in there |
| 17:58.33 | beandog | mindjuju, youll get used to it after a while, but I can totally recognize it being a barrier at the offset |
| 17:58.43 | beandog | mindjuju, youll get used to it *and* appreicate it, most likely. :) |
| 17:58.59 | beandog | or we'll beat you. |
| 17:59.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:59.42 | mindjuju | so beandog, quick question |
| 18:00.10 | mindjuju | in your example, where you had a file and i overwrote it as root, but i was on the command line, who would own it? |
| 18:00.13 | mindjuju | root or steve? |
| 18:00.17 | mindjuju | i'm thinking prolly root |
| 18:00.35 | beandog | well if you copied it over, it'd probably reset the permissions to whoever you were as |
| 18:00.40 | beandog | but if you just edited it, it'd stay the same |
| 18:00.48 | beandog | I *think* |
| 18:01.12 | beandog | nope, it kept it in both. |
| 18:01.13 | beandog | n/m |
| 18:01.44 | beandog | cd /tmp |
| 18:01.47 | beandog | touch foo bar |
| 18:02.02 | beandog | chown steve:apache foo; chown root: bar |
| 18:02.05 | beandog | cp bar foo |
| 18:02.07 | beandog | stat foo |
| 18:02.10 | beandog | still steve:apache |
| 18:12.10 | mgeary | okay, help me figure out what i'm missing here |
| 18:12.32 | mgeary | i have a command-line call that i'm making from php, and it's failing. When i run it via sudo -u www, it works |
| 18:12.43 | mgeary | generally this kind of thing is a permissions issue |
| 18:13.07 | mgeary | however, the webserver is generating 2 other files in the same directory at the same time |
| 18:13.22 | mgeary | any insights? |
| 18:13.47 | thebigdog | mgeary, what is the issue? |
| 18:13.57 | fungus | what does the log show? |
| 18:14.02 | mgeary | using a python script to create a jpeg from a pdf |
| 18:14.39 | fungus | You need to isolate if the problem is with sudo running, or if it is inside the python script. |
| 18:14.58 | mgeary | well, like i say, when i run it as www, it works fine |
| 18:15.28 | mgeary | and it's worked before |
| 18:15.41 | mgeary | one thing that has changed is that i'm now using ACLs in the directory path |
| 18:15.49 | mgeary | could that be messing something up? |
| 18:16.01 | fungus | Anything in the apache error log? |
| 18:16.06 | mgeary | no |
| 18:16.33 | fungus | is the python script running, is it returning any exceptions on file open/write? |
| 18:16.47 | mgeary | not that i can tell |
| 18:23.07 | beandog | path issue? |
| 18:24.16 | mgeary | don't think so, because i'm running the identical command from the terminal and it's fine, regardless of where i run it from. The paths are absolute :/ |
| 18:24.34 | fungus | Perhaps you could do some logging inside your python script to prove it is actually running. |
| 18:24.40 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:24.44 | mgeary | i'll try that now |
| 18:26.38 | mgeary | hrm |
| 18:26.49 | mgeary | what is the "the return status of the executed command" ? |
| 18:26.57 | mgeary | that is coming back as "10" |
| 18:28.23 | fungus | That's a problem. |
| 18:28.29 | fungus | Anything other than zero is an error |
| 18:28.47 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:28.55 | mgeary | wonder if i can find out what 10 is |
| 18:29.41 | fungus | How are you running the script? system(), backticks? |
| 18:29.47 | mgeary | trying all of the above |
| 18:29.51 | mgeary | plus exec() |
| 18:30.17 | fungus | system returns the last line of output. perhaps that could be helpful |
| 18:30.55 | fungus | ahh, exec is even more powerful. |
| 18:33.12 | mgeary | okay, now i'm getting somewhere |
| 18:33.18 | mgeary | traced out statements are showing up |
| 18:33.20 | mgeary | i'll see where it's failing |
| 18:35.45 | redroy | Can anyone see why this sql wouldn't work? http://pastebin.com/m9e904e2 |
| 18:35.59 | redroy | I'm not getting any sql errors, it's just NOT updating the table. |
| 18:38.26 | fungus | is "setting" a column name? |
| 18:38.46 | beandog | probably a reserved word |
| 18:39.38 | redroy | fungus: yes |
| 18:41.11 | beandog | mindjuju, whats wrong |
| 18:41.21 | redroy | Ah, itimber just figured it... I ticked the field names and it's working |
| 18:41.33 | redroy | thanks fellas |
| 18:41.33 | mindjuju | @beandog - nvidia-driver h3ll |
| 18:41.53 | beandog | heh |
| 18:42.04 | beandog | mindjuju, I thought they had a repo for binary drivers |
| 18:42.07 | beandog | or something |
| 18:42.16 | beandog | mindjuju, what card do you have |
| 18:45.01 | mindjuju | 2 dual-head, nvidia geforce fx 5200 and geforce 6600 |
| 18:51.10 | beandog | for the 5200 you probably need the legacy driver |
| 18:51.12 | beandog | pre 100 |
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| 20:22.11 | brasto | hey guys, i've lost the link someone gave for a multisite wordpress install, using multiple databases. anyone have it handy? My 'multisite wordpress' Google search didn't find anything. |
| 20:22.13 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you still working on the nvidia issue? |
| 20:22.51 | brasto | josephscott: i think you were the one that had the link, or maybe it was fungus |
| 20:23.17 | mgeary | hey, if i chown an executable script to be the owner of it, and i do a chown u+s, when that runs it will run as my user, regardless of who launches it, right? |
| 20:23.30 | mindjuju | thebigdog, yup, but i'm ready to throw in towel on this one |
| 20:23.42 | thebigdog | what is your issue? |
| 20:23.55 | mindjuju | beandog thinks its because of different drivers required for the video cards |
| 20:24.00 | thebigdog | you probably need to have only 1 card active |
| 20:24.03 | mindjuju | and the kernel driver can only use one |
| 20:24.07 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:24.19 | mindjuju | k, but that sux for me, cause i got 4 monitors |
| 20:24.28 | brasto | mgeary: yes |
| 20:24.29 | thebigdog | i would agree...linux is good if the cards are the same or if they are different brands like ati and nvidia |
| 20:25.08 | josephscott | brasto: there are several: http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_Multiple_Blogs |
| 20:25.13 | josephscott | http://www.ryanmcdonnell.com/multiple-blogs-one-wordpress-install-zero-code-changes/ |
| 20:25.20 | mindjuju | so, opt 1. drop ubuntu from primary | opt 2. drop 2 monitors (no way) | opt 3. buy new video card that is supported in 177, that is pci | opt 4. go vista |
| 20:25.20 | thebigdog | i would try and get 1 card working if you can |
| 20:25.22 | josephscott | google for wordpress multiple blogs |
| 20:25.24 | thebigdog | and then go from there |
| 20:25.47 | thebigdog | if you can i would go with same video cards |
| 20:26.07 | mindjuju | @thebigdog, can't, only have 1 pci-e x16 card |
| 20:26.14 | mindjuju | err, slot i mean |
| 20:26.18 | thebigdog | haha |
| 20:26.35 | mindjuju | yeah, i've been fighting this for a while, the sheet is too small for bed |
| 20:26.35 | thebigdog | then you need a new system |
| 20:26.53 | mindjuju | ...sigh... too bad i can't get it to work with this system |
| 20:27.11 | mindjuju | a new system + video card to get ubuntu to work with 4 monitors |
| 20:28.24 | thebigdog | most people dont have 4 monitors |
| 20:29.55 | mindjuju | sure, i can understand that |
| 20:31.16 | thebigdog | get a pci card |
| 20:31.29 | thebigdog | get like a ati card |
| 20:31.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:31.43 | beandog | ati == suckage |
| 20:31.49 | mindjuju | yeah, that's a swell idea from what beandog says |
| 20:31.52 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:32.11 | thebigdog | ati are ok |
| 20:32.28 | thebigdog | strictly in the programming sense |
| 20:32.31 | beandog | theyre okay for 2D, not 3D |
| 20:32.33 | brasto | josephscott: the one I liked used if $_SERVER around the variables. |
| 20:32.51 | beandog | which reminds me, anyone got a spare PCI video card to sell? |
| 20:33.14 | mindjuju | well, i think i might try vista, and if it sux, then back to XP |
| 20:33.48 | thebigdog | beandog, only ati |
| 20:33.50 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:33.57 | beandog | thebigdog, yah? |
| 20:34.07 | thebigdog | i even might have an agp one too |
| 20:34.11 | thebigdog | yeah i have one at home |
| 20:34.22 | thebigdog | ill find out what it is tonight |
| 20:34.32 | thebigdog | it actually might be an older nvidia card |
| 20:34.33 | beandog | thebigdog, ok, lemme know |
| 20:34.37 | beandog | even better |
| 20:34.42 | thebigdog | but i think it is pci for sure |
| 20:34.43 | beandog | I just need one for a mythbox |
| 20:34.51 | thebigdog | i might have an old ati too |
| 20:34.53 | thebigdog | nice |
| 20:34.55 | beandog | I took a gamble in onboard intel, and lost. |
| 20:35.32 | mindjuju | k, what's the point of the gui, if it can't do anything? |
| 20:35.51 | beandog | mindjuju, huh? |
| 20:36.03 | mindjuju | i finally got nvidia x server settings app thingy to come up, it shows that i have a dual head card, i says, please activate the second monitor, it says, sure fine |
| 20:36.16 | mindjuju | then when i go to save the file, it says, .... uh, duh... don't have permission to save |
| 20:36.20 | mindjuju | WTH!!!! |
| 20:36.41 | beandog | real men use the console. |
| 20:36.44 | beandog | ;) |
| 20:36.57 | mindjuju | k, how do i use nvidia x server settings on the console |
| 20:37.01 | beandog | mindjuju, run it as sudo? |
| 20:37.04 | beandog | er, using sudo |
| 20:37.05 | mindjuju | when you try to run it, it brings up the gui |
| 20:37.06 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you might be able to do this |
| 20:37.18 | thebigdog | run nvidia driver on 2 monitors and then the nv driver on the other 2 |
| 20:37.29 | beandog | thebigdog, ooh, thats a good idea |
| 20:37.31 | beandog | that should work |
| 20:37.39 | beandog | nv would totally work on the older PCI |
| 20:37.43 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:37.55 | thebigdog | you just will not get any extra stuff |
| 20:37.58 | thebigdog | eye candy |
| 20:38.18 | mindjuju | well, i don't do anything on this comp but code and monitor |
| 20:38.25 | beandog | oh |
| 20:38.26 | mindjuju | and a heck of a lot of remotes to other computers |
| 20:38.29 | beandog | well, then, nv might work for both of em |
| 20:38.41 | mindjuju | what's nv? |
| 20:38.42 | thebigdog | it would |
| 20:38.47 | beandog | open source nvidia driver |
| 20:38.48 | mindjuju | what's nv? |
| 20:38.52 | thebigdog | actually not |
| 20:38.57 | thebigdog | you would only get 3 |
| 20:39.04 | thebigdog | nv does not support dual monitors |
| 20:39.05 | beandog | how come? |
| 20:39.12 | beandog | does it not support twinview? |
| 20:39.13 | beandog | meh. |
| 20:39.17 | beandog | it's a start. |
| 20:39.31 | thebigdog | nope no twinview |
| 20:39.40 | thebigdog | but you still might be able to get 3 or 4 |
| 20:39.40 | beandog | mindjuju, change the driver name from "nvidia" to "nv" in xorg.conf and restart |
| 20:40.00 | beandog | mindjuju, and, I might add, just login as "root" for now while youre setting stuff up -- it'll make your life much easier. Your X config will work for all users, anyway |
| 20:40.08 | mindjuju | k, but i still can't activate the second monitor because it says the gui doesn't freakin' have rights |
| 20:40.18 | beandog | thebigdog, I would think it would work if you have two VGA ports |
| 20:40.30 | thebigdog | yeah not sure on it |
| 20:40.33 | mindjuju | k, seems like there is ap lace i have to mark to allow root to login |
| 20:40.38 | thebigdog | i does not work for me though |
| 20:40.39 | mindjuju | plus, i have to assign it a password too |
| 20:40.45 | thebigdog | but i have not really looked at it |
| 20:41.08 | beandog | thebigdog, yah, dont reemmber ... I started off with nv / dual monitor on *this* box. I think I even have two cards in here |
| 20:41.30 | thebigdog | laptop might be different for me here |
| 20:41.45 | beandog | nope, just one card, and using nvidia. but Im using one VGA and one DVI port. |
| 20:42.03 | beandog | mindjuju, it'll relieve a lot of headaches |
| 20:42.06 | beandog | mindjuju, pasword isnt hard |
| 20:42.09 | beandog | just sudo su - |
| 20:42.11 | beandog | passwd |
| 20:42.22 | mindjuju | what's the word for changing the permissions on a folder? Chum? chud? |
| 20:42.24 | beandog | as far as the login manager .. that's probably a GDM setting, assuming thats what Ubuntu uses. |
| 20:42.25 | mindjuju | something like that |
| 20:42.30 | beandog | mindjuju, chown (change owner) |
| 20:42.36 | mindjuju | ah, that's it |
| 20:43.48 | beandog | I vaguely recall an "allow root login" option in there. |
| 20:44.49 | mindjuju | so quick question before i give root a password, is there a way to elevate me to root, like a root group? |
| 20:45.24 | beandog | mindjuju, you already have that, your user will be in a group called wheel |
| 20:45.37 | beandog | that gives you access to actually login as root, from t hat user |
| 20:45.52 | beandog | mindjuju, one other thing you can do, if you wanna make life easier, is edit sudo so you dont need to type in the root password |
| 20:45.55 | thebigdog | just use sudo |
| 20:46.01 | beandog | so sudo foo would just automatically execute. |
| 20:46.28 | thebigdog | but dont get into that habit....get into the habit of using sudo |
| 20:46.37 | thebigdog | cause then you will start doing that stuff on servers |
| 20:46.43 | beandog | oh gosh. |
| 20:46.49 | thebigdog | and then it just makes my job harder |
| 20:46.50 | beandog | I hate that whole "lets be scared of root!" mentality. |
| 20:46.52 | thebigdog | oh wait |
| 20:46.53 | beandog | lame. |
| 20:46.54 | thebigdog | just do it |
| 20:47.01 | thebigdog | cause when you get hacked...call me |
| 20:47.16 | beandog | heh |
| 20:47.18 | thebigdog | i'm not scared of root |
| 20:47.21 | thebigdog | but sudo logs it |
| 20:47.27 | thebigdog | which is nice to go back if you need to |
| 20:47.36 | beandog | whats wrong with bash history? |
| 20:47.46 | beandog | thebigdog, not trolling, I dont see the point ... |
| 20:48.00 | beandog | of course, bash history disappears quickly, so there's one reason. |
| 20:48.05 | thebigdog | cause your bash history is not over a long enough time |
| 20:48.13 | beandog | meh |
| 20:48.23 | beandog | I've been tromping around systems using root without problems for years |
| 20:48.36 | thebigdog | it is great on a server when someone does something i can go back and see what they did |
| 20:49.06 | beandog | thebigdog, I can understand it as an intermediary measure, and in case of production servers, yah |
| 20:49.08 | thebigdog | im not saying i dont use root...but i have done things where i need to find out what i did |
| 20:49.21 | beandog | thebigdog, Im just more ranting against the whole ubuntu approach of users, on their desktops, never using root. |
| 20:49.48 | beandog | anyway .. what does it matter. :) |
| 20:49.57 | thebigdog | well for you and I that might be the case...but i had one guy i put on ubunut and he decided to delete the /bin directory |
| 20:50.05 | beandog | heh |
| 20:50.08 | beandog | whoopsie. |
| 20:50.20 | thebigdog | so for somethings it is nice |
| 20:50.39 | beandog | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 20:50.42 | thebigdog | so i see both cases...but i have had to review sudo logs for things that stupid admins doo |
| 20:51.24 | beandog | hmm, ok |
| 20:51.43 | beandog | thebigdog, Ive never really been in a multi-admin environment myself |
| 20:51.51 | beandog | so thats probably one reason I'm so cavalier. |
| 20:52.03 | beandog | It's usually me and maybe one or two other people who would have had root access |
| 20:52.06 | thebigdog | haha |
| 20:52.29 | unum | that was one thing that our admin didn't like about ubuntu, was not being able to log in as root |
| 20:52.37 | unum | up to that point I had no idea that he was doing that |
| 20:53.05 | unum | he never did explain to me why he did it |
| 20:53.26 | unum | just complained about ubuntu being controlling |
| 20:54.19 | unum | we have an account that sever people can switch to in order to run certain commands |
| 20:54.34 | unum | until a few weeks ago the password was set the same as the user account name |
| 20:54.46 | unum | I switched them to sudo, I feel much better |
| 20:56.38 | beandog | :) |
| 20:58.55 | thebigdog | but i do like the groups and security that you get with sudo |
| 20:58.59 | thebigdog | esp for automation |
| 20:59.09 | thebigdog | even for non-root users |
| 21:09.18 | dataw0lf | if you write a decent HISTIGNORE env var (generally, all passive commands should be in it), you can store the juicy stuff easier. |
| 21:10.15 | dataw0lf | gotta love Ctrl-R though. |
| 21:14.40 | herlo | yep, it's da bomb if you use emacs mode |
| 21:14.45 | herlo | with vi mode, try / |
| 21:17.50 | fungus | dude, I just learned something totally awesome. |
| 21:18.11 | fungus | I've done the history search in tcsh before, but I thought that was gone when I switched to bash. |
| 21:18.23 | herlo | lol, no way! |
| 21:19.03 | fungus | There's still a few tcsh features I'm missing, but I've learned to cope w/o them. |
| 21:19.07 | herlo | bash is the best of sh and csh, ksh and others. The only more configurable shell I know of off hand is zsh. Not that others aren't very configurable, but bash just rulez!!!! |
| 21:19.16 | herlo | fungus: like? |
| 21:19.25 | fungus | auto spell check. |
| 21:19.46 | fungus | mistype a command and it asks "Did you mean ...?" with the right spelling. |
| 21:19.47 | herlo | how does that work? On the command line itself? |
| 21:20.08 | fungus | no more command not found errors, and have to retype it. |
| 21:20.09 | herlo | hmm, nice. That's one I've never thought to consider, because well, I don't mistype things :) |
| 21:20.32 | fungus | lol, sure. |
| 21:20.37 | herlo | hehe, I know |
| 21:20.46 | herlo | it's rare |
| 21:21.07 | fungus | I seem to type sduo all the time. |
| 21:23.26 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw |
| 21:24.44 | thebigdog | fungus, there are some spell stuff in bash |
| 21:24.48 | thebigdog | i know of cdspell |
| 21:24.52 | herlo | fungus: alias sduo='sudo' :) |
| 21:25.41 | thebigdog | also going with dataw0lf there is also some cmdhist stuff too |
| 21:25.46 | thebigdog | which is really cool |
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| 21:49.32 | thebigdog | mindjuju, did you get your nvidia working |
| 21:51.15 | mindjuju | nope |
| 21:54.20 | mindjuju | how would i find out what grpahics cards are supported in nvidia driver 96? |
| 21:56.35 | thebigdog | i thought you were going to use the nvidia driver you have installed now |
| 21:56.43 | thebigdog | and then use the nv driver for the other card |
| 21:58.15 | mindjuju | well, i was trying to do that, but thus far, the computer seems to be ignoring xorg.conf |
| 21:58.42 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 21:59.34 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 22:04.29 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i think at this point you might need some additional help |
| 22:05.20 | mindjuju | thx, already called a headshrinker about my left eye twitching from the stress |
| 22:15.01 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 22:15.02 | jbot | cats /dev/urandom into drip's ear |
| 22:16.57 | mgeary | couldn't take the noise |
| 22:17.10 | SunSparc | heh |
| 22:17.45 | mgeary | ~roulette |
| 22:17.46 | jbot | ACTION watches mgeary pull the trigger: Click! |
| 22:17.49 | mgeary | whew |
| 22:32.51 | josephscott | ~chuckfact |
| 22:32.52 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 22:34.17 | undertakingyou | mindjuju: ping |
| 22:35.53 | mindjuju | @undertakingyou - yo |
| 22:36.45 | undertakingyou | pm |
| 22:39.33 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:39.34 | jbot | follow's undertakingyou with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 22:39.38 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:42.34 | _carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 22:42.34 | jbot | installs PocketPC on macnewbold's PDA |
| 22:42.44 | _carmony | Ouch... that was a little too harsh... |
| 22:43.21 | undertakingyou | macnewbold: that was mean. ;) |
| 22:55.51 | thebigdog | pretty funny stuff - http://tinyurl.com/calop8 |
| 22:56.10 | thebigdog | has some bad words...but form gizmodo |
| 22:59.56 | herlo | mindjuju: http://shirt.woot.com/ horrible but funny today |
| 23:00.36 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:18.41 | itimber | I'm out guys... later |
| 23:22.58 | mindjuju | @beandog, looks like the house postponed the DTV conversion till June |
| 23:23.20 | tierra | really? I thought they voted down the postponement |
| 23:23.27 | tierra | or were going to |
| 23:23.37 | mindjuju | yeah, last week, read that too |
| 23:23.42 | mindjuju | this is from today though |
| 23:23.56 | beandog | I think a lot of stations are going to shut down early, anyway |
| 23:24.12 | mindjuju | http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/36552 |
| 23:24.15 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 23:25.35 | orsonj | that came out weird |
| 23:25.55 | beandog | made sense to me |
| 23:26.16 | mindjuju | man, with all the $40 coupons they are giving out to help everybody watch TV, you'd think they'd throw in a couple $20 for a pizza and root beer |
| 23:26.19 | beandog | I think |
| 23:26.34 | orsonj | DTV switched already up here. |
| 23:26.42 | beandog | you know what I dont get |
| 23:26.47 | orsonj | no analog bailout available |
| 23:26.58 | beandog | a $5 store-bought frozen pizza is 500 times better than a $5 pizza at Lil Caesars |
| 23:27.11 | beandog | of course, store bought doesnt come with that guilty pleasure feeling |
| 23:27.11 | mindjuju | psh |
| 23:27.14 | dataw0lf | man it's been so long since I've used analog that I wouldn't know whether it was working or not. |
| 23:27.48 | unum | orsonj: did they actually put a new repeater up |
| 23:28.01 | mindjuju | about the only frozen pizza that was any good was Red Barons |
| 23:28.07 | mindjuju | but i don't think they make that any more |
| 23:28.19 | unum | they still make red barons and I would say it's on the low end |
| 23:28.25 | unum | it's about $2 I think |
| 23:28.27 | orsonj | I wouldn't know myself, but my in-laws still have tv. They were one of those who helped sell out walmart converter boxes |
| 23:28.30 | mindjuju | no way |
| 23:28.38 | mgeary | analog broadcast++ |
| 23:28.40 | mindjuju | i haven't bought it for years, but back in the day, it was yum |
| 23:29.11 | unum | tombstone, digorno, cpk are all more money, and tastier |
| 23:29.18 | unum | not that I buy them... |
| 23:29.23 | unum | but I have had them before |
| 23:29.27 | mindjuju | i had tombstone once, it was alright |
| 23:29.30 | mindjuju | not spectacular |
| 23:29.39 | mindjuju | digorno, never had |
| 23:29.41 | unum | actually I think tombstone may be on the lower end as well, it's been a while |
| 23:29.52 | mindjuju | cpk, i've heard tastes like cardboard with fake cheese |
| 23:30.12 | unum | my old roommate loved those |
| 23:30.15 | beandog | what, you can still buy red baron |
| 23:30.21 | beandog | freschettas is the best |
| 23:30.30 | mindjuju | haven't had freschettas |
| 23:30.30 | beandog | of course, theyre $7 a pop |
| 23:30.31 | beandog | but good |
| 23:30.45 | unum | I thought I saw redbaron at the store last time I looked at frozen pizzas |
| 23:31.00 | mindjuju | i still think LC pizza is pretty darn good |
| 23:31.08 | beandog | LC? |
| 23:31.10 | mindjuju | it's not spectacular, like wow wow, but it's good |
| 23:31.11 | beandog | oh |
| 23:31.14 | mindjuju | Little Caesars |
| 23:31.18 | beandog | too greasy |
| 23:31.22 | beandog | pizza hut is the best for takeout |
| 23:31.24 | unum | I just don't like the $5 because it's only one topping |
| 23:31.32 | mindjuju | pizza hut is the king of grease |
| 23:31.40 | beandog | but its good grease |
| 23:31.40 | unum | we get the pie sometimes at work |
| 23:31.45 | unum | ar wasatch pizza |
| 23:31.48 | mindjuju | i dare you to buy a pizza and see how long it takes the grease to make a hole in the box |
| 23:32.02 | mindjuju | Pier 47 pizza is pretty good |
| 23:32.05 | beandog | man, I havent even had lunch yet ... now I want pizza |
| 23:32.31 | orsonj | I would have wanted pizza at least a couple hours ago if I didn't have lunch |
| 23:33.08 | mindjuju | the pie has great pizza |
| 23:34.23 | SunSparc | Papa John's pizza++ |
| 23:35.00 | mgeary | anyone here familiar with AFP (apple fileshare protocol) ? |
| 23:35.21 | SunSparc | To connect to my Airport Drives |
| 23:35.34 | mgeary | i've got a dev server that we use AFP to work from internally |
| 23:35.49 | mgeary | but the machine has a public-facing IP, so i want to completely disable AFP from outside |
| 23:35.50 | SunSparc | AFP is to Mac as SMB is to Windows |
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| 23:36.22 | SunSparc | I know you know, just proselyting all the other non-Mac'ers here. ;) |
| 23:36.24 | mgeary | i'm seeing all kinds of problems. Sharing a firewire-connected drive is proving very unstable |
| 23:36.28 | beandog | pfft, Apple sucks |
| 23:36.40 | SunSparc | ~stevejobsify beandog |
| 23:36.41 | jbot | ACTION drags beandog by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until beandogs eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 23:36.56 | beandog | I'm immune to shiny |
| 23:37.02 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:37.04 | mgeary | i guess i could just configure my router to block port 548, no? |
| 23:37.08 | mindjuju | beandog - here is yoru lunch here - http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/01/the-double-bypass-burger-at-the-vortex-bar-grill-on-man-v-food-video/ |
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| 23:37.22 | mindjuju | its a hamberger where the buns are grilled cheese sandwiches |
| 23:37.22 | beandog | oh momma. |
| 23:37.24 | beandog | want. |
| 23:37.28 | mindjuju | has like 6 things of bacon |
| 23:37.29 | beandog | bacon! |
| 23:37.29 | SunSparc | mgeary: is your dev server a Mac machine or a Linux box? |
| 23:37.33 | mgeary | Mac |
| 23:37.33 | mindjuju | 1 pound of beef |
| 23:37.38 | herlo | 2 |
| 23:37.39 | mindjuju | don't look fungus |
| 23:37.58 | beandog | I bet fungus secretly goes to Carl's Jr every day to get a $6 burger |
| 23:38.06 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:38.23 | thebigdog | we need to do a lunch in slc again |
| 23:38.24 | herlo | veggie burger |
| 23:38.37 | mindjuju | oh yeah, and beandog, it has 3 fried eggs |
| 23:38.42 | thebigdog | i need to give beandog some greif |
| 23:38.44 | beandog | oh man |
| 23:38.52 | mindjuju | watch the video on that page |
| 23:38.58 | mindjuju | wha huh? |
| 23:39.01 | beandog | does it show your heart imploding? |
| 23:39.44 | SunSparc | mgeary: I have not done much with Xserves. I wish we would run something that used AFP at work. I like it better than SMB. |
| 23:39.51 | mgeary | not an Xserve |
| 23:39.55 | mgeary | just a normal ol' mac |
| 23:40.08 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 23:40.37 | mindjuju | well, i guess it might if it keeps pumping but there is no fluid for it to pump (from the fat clogging) |
| 23:40.39 | mgeary | anyone know how to get a little cisco router to block port port 548 on the external interface? fungus ? |
| 23:41.01 | fungus | Depends on the model. |
| 23:41.43 | mgeary | it's a 678 POC |
| 23:41.52 | mgeary | (piece o crap) |
| 23:42.12 | mgeary | show/set filter? |
| 23:42.13 | beandog | I thought Cisco stuff was the win? |
| 23:42.34 | mgeary | http://dsl.evirtualworld.com/images/cisco_678.jpg |
| 23:42.41 | mgeary | weenie lil' sucker |
| 23:42.41 | fungus | the 678 is really old, and was the bomb back in it's day. |
| 23:42.48 | mindjuju | yeah, if you have a brain like einstein or fungus |
| 23:43.02 | mindjuju | oterwise, you'll brain go will twitchy tyring to figure out the rules |
| 23:43.13 | mgeary | i know you can do stuff, because long ago i configured it to only allow telnet access from one of our internal IPs |
| 23:43.18 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/img/miscwifibbc.jpg |
| 23:43.33 | fungus | Back in it's day, the only other alternative was an internal card that required a Dial-Up connection setup. |
| 23:45.04 | fungus | set filter 0 on deny incoming wan0-0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 protocol tcp srcport 1024-65535 destport 548 |
| 23:45.11 | fungus | or something like that. |
| 23:45.19 | fungus | http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbos240/03chap02.htm#xtocid15 |
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| 23:52.26 | mgeary_ | checking |
| 23:52.33 | mgeary_ | am i back? |
| 23:54.40 | mgeary_ | ~rlart |
| 23:54.41 | jbot | plops romanovic into a giant vat of herring |
| 23:54.44 | mgeary_ | alright then |
| 23:56.53 | mgeary_ | fungus: when i enter that (which does indeed appear correct), i get this response: |
| 23:56.57 | mgeary_ | <lo>-<hi> The low and high destination ports to block |
| 23:57.41 | fungus | perhaps you need to specify 548-548 |
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