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00:04.04mgearywhew
00:10.20itimberI'm out... later guys
00:10.24SunSparcme too
00:35.19bradymthe mysql manual is confusing on this point, can you have two timestamp fields in one table?
00:37.51bradymok, i should clarify... and have one of them auto updated when a row is created, and the second updated anytime the row is changed
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05:28.20herlohello all
05:28.20herlothat was fun
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14:02.43jsmithSorry folks... IRC proxy gone awry
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14:47.32Utah_Dave~woot
14:47.33jbot\o/
14:47.42jsmithMorning Utah_Dave
14:47.49Utah_Davemorning, jsmith!
14:48.26mindjujumorning gents
14:48.29Utah_DaveI'm stoked because  I just found that I got upgraded to first class on my upcoming trip to DC!
14:49.29mindjuju:) that's awesome!
14:50.21mindjujuand DC is tons of fun
14:50.28mindjujuor last time i was there it was
14:50.42jsmithUtah_Dave: You're coming to DC?
15:09.29Utah_Davejsmith: flying into DC, but I'm actually going to be working in Lorton.
15:10.14Utah_DaveVA
15:10.17jsmithUtah_Dave: Ah, even closer to me then :-p
15:10.31Utah_Davecool!
15:10.44Utah_DaveI drove through that area back in November.
15:10.55Utah_DaveIt was so beautiful. I can see why you'd want to live there
15:11.13Utah_DaveI love all the trees
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15:11.45mindjujui know, it's freakin awesome in virginia
15:12.00mindjujuwas just telling my son about fireflies and virginia
15:13.42Utah_Davewell, gents. I'm off to a round of meetings.
15:13.53mindjujucya
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16:07.01mgearymorning
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16:32.36itimbersup guys
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16:39.12carmonygood morning
16:39.29SunSparcYes.  Good morning!
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17:08.03carmonyAnyone making anything cool atm? :P (I'm bored waiting for a download to finish)
17:09.55unum_I'm making a project close page
17:10.01unum_s/close/close out
17:16.28carmonysounds fun :)
17:16.39mindjujucarmony, i'm making a P&J
17:16.44carmonylol, nice!
17:17.33brastoUtah_Dave: thank you for your referral.  I'll contact them today.  Where are they located?
17:17.53SunSparccarmony: Here is something fun to check out while you wait:  http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/Education/saturnobservation/viewing2009/
17:17.57brastowhat's Richard K. Miller's screen name on here (if he's on here)?
17:18.10carmonyI think he uses richardkmiller
17:18.52brastoah, that's a likely one, so maybe he's not online...
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17:24.35Utah_Davebrasto: I think in ogden
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17:30.32brastouh oh... that's itimber's territory... :)
17:30.42brastooh, and apparently carmony 's, too...
17:30.52carmonylol, my plate is way too full for more work :)
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17:31.11itimberwhat did I miss?
17:31.15itimberoh, GO OGDEN
17:31.16brastoI was surprised when I visited Weber State campus... it's remarkably like BYU.
17:31.22carmonylol
17:31.25mgearyremind me who here is in Utah Valley. I know mgeary, wps, SunSparc, _psychic_. Who else?
17:31.53brastoPart of my heart will always be in Utah Valley...
17:32.01brastoUtah_Dave 's in Utah Valley
17:32.33brastobut he's so far North, you could say he's in SL Valley, too...
17:32.38SunSparccarmony: If mgeary did not know that mgeary was in Utah Valley I would have to worry about him.
17:32.56mgearywell hey, trying to make a comprehensive list...
17:33.04mindjujuutah_dave is just BARELY in utah county though
17:33.05brastos/he's/Utah_Dave's/
17:33.10mindjujulike 10 feet away from the point
17:33.32mindjujumgeary, it's funny you ask, i needed that same data
17:33.33brastoright, that's what I was just saying mindjuju
17:33.37Utah_Daveyep, I almost straddle the border
17:33.41mindjujuand i'm in the UC also
17:34.20carmonyWe should make a map!
17:34.26mgearyindeed
17:34.29DexterTheDragonwe could use google!
17:34.42mgearynaw, let's build one from scratch
17:35.19DexterTheDragonlike DexterTheDragon has time to do things like that
17:37.43mindjujui love referring to myself in the 3rd person
17:37.50mindjujuor i should have said
17:38.01carmonyThere, done! I made the map guys :)
17:38.02mindjujumindjuju loves to refer to himself in the 3rd
17:38.23carmonyhttp://screencast.com/t/NwQLVI6i49
17:39.14SunSparcImpressive, carmony.
17:39.15mindjuju:)
17:39.19mindjujunice pic
17:39.22DexterTheDragonwindows. ~shudders~
17:39.34carmonylol
17:39.52DexterTheDragonand like >= vista windows at that
17:39.58mindjujucourse, if that is to scale, your house is REALLY big
17:40.10carmonylol
17:40.28carmonyI have to use Vista 64bit, got 8 GBs of ram
17:41.05mindjujui haven't seen it for at least 4 years, though i used to like it
17:41.26mindjujubut part of it was that it was so gritty, it made the yellowness of the characters seem tolerable
17:41.34mindjujuHD + yellow characters seems weird to me
17:44.05itimberHD cartoons sound silly to me.... would you even notice a difference since it's all line art anyway?
17:44.26mindjujuyeah
17:44.46mindjujui saw part of a new king of the hill and it was drawn much nicer, but it was actually a distraction
17:44.55mindjuju+ the plot really stank
17:45.07mindjujuthough i hear mike judge is doing something new here shortly
17:47.06tierraa lot of HD cartoons are often mixing in 3D rendered backgrounds/animation these days or applying other rendering effects that make it worth it... but maybe my view is much more biased towards anime than US cartoons
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18:01.18trevynmeyerHas anyone had any experience with http://xplanner.org/ ?
18:01.24trevynmeyerDo you recomend any others?
18:01.44trevynmeyerIm a fan of bugzilla, so bugzilla integration would be nice
18:02.50SunSparc~lart bugzilla
18:02.50jbothits bugzilla with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha
18:05.56trevynmeyerSunSparc: ~lart?
18:06.17SunSparctrevynmeyer: No thanks.  I have had too many.  Maybe later.
18:07.11trevynmeyerI dont know what that means
18:07.36mindjuju~dict lart
18:08.00mindjujuaka, Sunsparc doesn't dig on bugzilla
18:08.06mindjujusup trevynmeyer
18:08.28trevynmeyermindjuju: whats up.
18:08.37trevynmeyerIm trying to pick a good project management tool
18:10.00SunSparcWe use unfuddle.com to manage our code projects.
18:11.26mgearydoesn't someone here work on a PM tool? tierra?
18:11.52SunSparcitimber, I think
18:11.57mgearyno, not itimber
18:12.08mindjujutierra does
18:12.13mindjujuit's called Pegasus
18:12.28mindjujuthough his project management app is mainly for the construction industry, AFAIK
18:12.46mindjujuit's extensive though and is ported to winders, mac and i think possibly in *nix
18:12.57trevynmeyerhttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Addons#Server-side_Utilities
18:13.18crotrevynmeyer: Did you look at any online offerings like BaseCamp? (http://basecamphq.com)
18:13.47itimberSunSparc: not me... was tierra man
18:13.56SunSparcOk
18:14.34itimbersimple and easy from my non-techie clients
18:14.40itimberwell.... most of them
18:14.41itimberLOL
18:14.52tierrait's Phoenix btw, not Pegasus ;)
18:14.59tierrahttp://www.phoenixcpm.com/
18:15.02mindjujudag!
18:15.05mindjujusorry 'bout that
18:15.14mindjujuwas i right about the rest?
18:15.25mindjujuwritten in C, ported to all OS
18:15.32tierraand yeah, it's probably not at all what trevynmeyer is looking for, heh
18:15.39trevynmeyerhttp://www.rallydev.com/products/integrations/
18:16.03unumdoes anyone know of any postgresql training coming to utah any time soon
18:16.27mindjujuunum - eggyknap may know
18:16.28tierraC++, and it's only Windows and Mac right now, no Linux (though I have run it in Linux in Wine, and we could make a native linux version fairly easily, but we wouldn't sell any copies on linux)
18:16.40jsmithunum: No, but if you're looking for a good PostgreSQL training class, I can suggest the one given by Big Nerd Ranch
18:16.58mindjujubig nerd ranch, that sounds awesome
18:17.15eggyknapunum: I don't know of any.
18:17.19jsmithmindjuju: It *is* awesome...
18:17.31eggyknapEnterpriseDB has been doing webcasts of late.
18:17.32unumthere was one last fall but it was bad timing
18:17.36tierrait'd actually be easier to get a Linux version running than it was to get Mac going, but having a linux version isn't going to help us, so it's not worth the trouble right now
18:17.56eggyknapunum: Anything specific you're interested in?
18:19.07unumeggyknap: my problem is that I'm completely self taugh and would just like to atke a general training sometime to make sure I'm not doing things the dumb way
18:19.39eggyknapunum: show up at a conference, or perhaps just lurk in #postgresql. Pretty much the entire community is self-taught.
18:20.39trevynmeyerOpen Source version of http://www.rallydev.com/5601_Rally_15.html
18:20.40trevynmeyer?
18:20.46trevynmeyerSomethign like this would be good
18:25.19trevynmeyerhttp://www.agileuniversity.org/  I need some agile schooling I guess
18:29.04thebigdogunum, i am here for ya
18:29.06thebigdoghehe
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18:41.30trevynmeyerhttp://trac.edgewall.org/
18:41.37trevynmeyerWhat do you guys like/hate about trac>
18:41.37trevynmeyer?
18:41.47trevynmeyeris it a good TDD tool?
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18:47.46unumI like it's simplicity
18:48.01unumI've heard other people complain about a lack of feature for large projects
18:48.11unumbut I have very simple needs and it works great
18:50.26dataw0lfTDD tool?
18:50.56dataw0lfhttp://www.phpspec.org/
18:51.55carmonyI like trac, we use it for several projects
18:52.38carmonyhowever, if you have a large, complex project, trac probably isn't for you. Like unum said, its good for small-medium projects
18:53.16unumI need a web page where everyone could submit and view bugs, and I could mark the bugs done as I completed them
18:53.26unumand trac works perfect for that
18:53.29carmonyyup
18:53.40carmonyI wish trac supported multiple repositories
18:53.41carmony:P
18:53.55unumthe wiki is convient but I don't use it much.  I also set it up to use ldap
18:54.13unumactaully that is one problem I had with it.  I don't always wont to link it to an svn repository
18:54.26unumI think there's a way to avoid that but  I couldn't find it
18:55.13SunSparcI can access class attributes like this:  $class->attribute['key']
18:55.15SunSparcCan I use a variable in place of the attribute name?  Like this:  $class->$variableAttributeName['key]
18:58.57mgearyyes
19:00.42SunSparcLooks like this might be working:  $class->{$variableAttributeName}['key'];
19:34.30mindjujusomebody sent me a page wanting me to design their site layout similar to this http://www.komando.com/columns/
19:34.49mindjujuno, it's not the double right side columns that kills me
19:35.05mindjujuit's the dog-style head tilt in the pic for gotomeeting
19:39.17funguslol
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19:40.21mindjujusup fungus
19:40.28mindjujuplus, i dont' like her advice
19:40.57mindjujui heard her say something once that was way off, and nearly crashed from the shock of hearing what she was saying
19:41.04mindjujutwas something about networking
19:42.05fungushehe, I stopped listening to her years ago.
19:42.42mindjujui listen to it for shock value from time to time
19:43.08mindjujulike Jerry Springer, Morton Downy Jr (sp?) et al.,
19:43.36unumI don't think I've ever heard kim's
19:43.49unumI look at the column the trib carries from time to time
19:43.50mindjujudude, you'd freak
19:44.01mindjujushe tells it like it ain't
19:44.08mindjujuyou'd think somebody would fact-check
19:44.28unuma few months ago I saw one in the trib, the headline read 'new neighbors stand offish'  or something like that in the headline
19:44.38unumI wasn't suprised by the city listed in the by line
19:44.55unumthe columnist suggested she take her new neighbors to coffee....
21:47.33itimberunum: which city?
21:59.56unumitimber: salt lake
22:00.02macnewboldfungus: you around? pm me if you've got a minute?
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22:00.34itimberunum: ah, gotcha
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22:34.44mgeary~rlart
22:34.45jbotpulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps thebigdog
22:34.52mgearyboy, that was long overdue
22:35.05brasto~lart people that use Java-based web sites to test your knowledge of PHP.
22:35.05jbotslaps a compatible dib on people that use Java-based web sites to test your knowledge of PHP.'s head
22:36.21thebigdogbrasto, which site is that?
22:36.32brastohttp://proveit.com
22:36.56thebigdogthat is not a java based website though
22:37.23thebigdogthat is an ms based website
22:38.00brastoright, but the test I need to take requires java
22:38.20brasto~lart people that use MS-based sites for PHP tests, too.
22:38.20jbotjudo chops people that use MS-based sites for PHP tests, too.
22:39.12brastoand, thebigdog, when I go to the download link they provide, they provide a download for a Windows machine
22:39.39thebigdoghehe
22:39.46brasto~lart webmasters that think all their users will be on a Windows machine.
22:39.46jbotmakes a balloon animal out of webmasters that think all their users will be on a Windows machine.
22:40.07brastosweet, that was a good one.
22:41.02brastoI get 'Your Operating System may not be compatible with some of the assessments you have been assigned.
22:41.04brasto''
22:41.30brastobut when I click the link to check on system requirements, all requirements are met
22:41.53brastobecause there's no Operating System requirement.
22:57.21fungus~lart UserAgent sniffing
22:57.21jbotduct-tapes UserAgent sniffing to the floor and drools on him
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23:10.05jsmithmindjuju: Send me a bag of peanut M&Ms when you find some
23:18.15mgearyi am mgeary. hear me roar
23:19.01mgearystory of my life
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23:29.58SunSparcI think I have an extra... here someplace... Ah, here it is...
23:30.13fungusZzzzzzzz...
23:30.33SunSparcI am glad it still works.  I think it was past its expiration date.
23:30.56funguszzz <choke> <collapse>
23:31.12SunSparclol
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23:31.25SunSparcheh, welcome back
23:31.43fungusshame on you for dealing in illicit naps
23:32.39SunSparcHey, they worked back when I was taking them.
23:32.58SunSparcI did not know expired naps had harmful side effects.
23:32.59fungusYeah, Kindergarten was a very long time ago
23:33.13SunSparclol
23:33.58SunSparcSometimes I wish I could go back...
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