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| 16:09.07 | herlo | hi carmony_ |
| 16:14.47 | carmony_ | hows everyone doin? Had a good weekend?> |
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| 16:55.41 | thebigdog | mornin' gents |
| 16:58.49 | mgeary | morning |
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| 17:05.55 | itimber | sup guys |
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| 17:06.40 | itimber | sup redroy |
| 17:07.24 | redroy | hey |
| 17:07.39 | mgeary | woah |
| 17:07.59 | itimber | it's me... in the flesh |
| 17:08.04 | mgeary | did i miss 90 minutes somewhere? |
| 17:08.10 | itimber | nope |
| 17:08.21 | itimber | just a slow morning |
| 17:08.39 | mgeary | wow. that's how you know the economy is getting bad, when itimber has to work SIX hour days, instead of the usual four. |
| 17:08.50 | itimber | LMAO |
| 17:08.54 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:08.55 | itimber | too funny |
| 17:10.49 | itimber | unfortunately the truth is far from that.... I put the kids to bed around 8 last night, and worked till 3:30am |
| 17:10.51 | itimber | I'm beat |
| 17:11.02 | itimber | I'm getting too old for this |
| 17:11.03 | itimber | :) |
| 17:13.29 | mgeary | wow |
| 17:13.31 | mgeary | that's just crazy |
| 17:13.32 | itimber | I'm at the tail end of this project though |
| 17:13.34 | mgeary | i've never heard of that |
| 17:13.39 | itimber | so, it won't last |
| 17:13.44 | mgeary | i mean, how on earth did you get the kids to bed at 8? |
| 17:13.57 | itimber | LOL.... I'm super-dad |
| 17:13.59 | itimber | LOL |
| 17:14.43 | mgeary | you know, i really have to chuckle at people who approach me and have this conversation: |
| 17:14.57 | mgeary | them: "i have a really great project i want your help with. It's going to be awesome" |
| 17:15.09 | mgeary | me: "okay. Let's talk" |
| 17:15.49 | mgeary | them: "well, so here's the thing. I don't actually have any money, but if you do all the work, i can cut you in for a share of the profits. How does 5% sound? Oh, but before i can really tell you anything, i need you to sign this 16-page NDA" |
| 17:16.26 | itimber | ya, loverly.... that's when you stand, leave the restaurant, and leave them with the check. |
| 17:16.26 | mgeary | "...so if you could just jump through all these hurdles, i'll give you the opportunity to work with me on this project" |
| 17:16.28 | itimber | LOL |
| 17:16.30 | fungus | you: Aw man, I'm so sorry. I am like totally booked for the next decade |
| 17:17.37 | itimber | ya.... I'm already maxed out on donations this year... hit me up in 20-10 |
| 17:17.57 | josephscott | mgeary: and what's really bad is the "determined" ones, who want to have that same conversation every two or three months |
| 17:18.53 | itimber | that's when you seriously tell them they should be hitting up a bank rather than a programmer |
| 17:19.00 | mgeary | s |
| 17:19.09 | itimber | same |
| 17:19.36 | mgeary | i have yet to encounter the idea that is so amazing that it really, truly hasn't been floated somewhere else. The key is the execution, not the idea, imo |
| 17:19.37 | unum | a lot of people seem to think facebook was written by one developer in one month in his spare time |
| 17:21.13 | unum | my favorite part is the 5%, people have such a warped idea about what their "intellectual property" is worth |
| 17:22.35 | josephscott | that's when you tell them that if their idea is worth $20million then you'll gladly take $250k for your work instead of the 5% |
| 17:23.42 | unum | josephscott: :) |
| 17:25.12 | itimber | fo sho |
| 17:32.37 | mgeary | yeah, i believe it's not so much a good idea that's valuable, as hard work |
| 17:34.03 | josephscott | the whole 'concept vs. execution' thing has been debated for a long time. |
| 17:43.21 | Utah_Dave | I have a guy who's always approaching me about new businesses. dating websites, etc |
| 17:43.48 | Utah_Dave | The last one was, "I have an idea to be the new Google. It will be a search engine that's better than google!" |
| 17:44.12 | Utah_Dave | I told him to come back to me when he has 10 million in venture funds |
| 17:49.27 | mindjuju | funny you say that |
| 17:49.40 | mindjuju | a guy asked me to help him design a MAN for lehi |
| 17:49.49 | mindjuju | wants to compete with UTOPIA |
| 17:50.55 | SunSparc | mindjuju: did you tell him you were pretty sure there were plenty of Men in Lehi already? |
| 17:51.08 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:51.40 | itimber | ya..... if a dude came to me, asking for a man, I'd turn him down flat! |
| 17:51.52 | mindjuju | yeah, things broke down when i asked him how he was going to run the fibre, and he said he hadn't thought that far, and I asked him about funding, and he was trying to acquire it |
| 17:51.58 | itimber | venture capital or not |
| 17:52.00 | mindjuju | i left it at that, let me know when you get funding |
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| 17:56.56 | thebigdog | itimber, that is not what i have heard ;) |
| 17:59.19 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: exactly. Show me some funding and then we can talk further. |
| 18:02.21 | itimber | thebigdog: LOL |
| 18:02.29 | itimber | you would know bro |
| 18:02.30 | itimber | LOL |
| 18:02.43 | itimber | ah, can't take the heat |
| 18:02.44 | itimber | LOL |
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| 19:37.40 | itimber | jbot's a little dramatic |
| 19:38.07 | SunSparc | Seriously |
| 19:38.55 | carmony_ | lol |
| 19:40.14 | carmony_ | I need a good xbox game |
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| 20:23.37 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
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| 20:23.44 | SunSparc | Ouch |
| 20:24.13 | cro | ~rlart |
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| 20:24.29 | Utah_Dave | ouch! |
| 20:24.49 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart cro |
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| 20:24.53 | SunSparc | jbot, who has mad you so mean |
| 20:25.03 | SunSparc | made even |
| 20:27.32 | carmony_ | lol |
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| 20:48.45 | jsmith | kingsol! |
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| 21:21.19 | redroy | Does anyone have any experience with PDF viewers for web? Other than flashpaper? |
| 21:22.22 | redroy | I'm hoping there's something I can use similar to an FLV player where I can just point to a PDF file on the server and then display through the viewer.... |
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| 21:27.01 | kingsol | any load time or other concerns if javascript is loaded inside of the body vs in the head tag? |
| 21:27.20 | itimber | I've got a buddy that's been doing some killer sys admin work for a big pharmaceutical company. They're getting bought out, and restructured. So, my buddy will be out of a job soon. Who is hiring in that area? |
| 21:28.53 | redroy | kingsol was that directed at me? If so, no. |
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| 21:31.19 | redroy | I think I found something close to what I'm after: http://www.ajaxonomy.com/2008/web-design/web-based-pdf-viewer (fwiw) |
| 21:31.34 | kingsol | redroy: not specifically... sorry, I had just hopped into the channel |
| 21:32.14 | redroy | kingsol ... no worries. peace. |
| 21:34.19 | mgeary | redroy: how about just converting pages of the pdf to an image on demand? |
| 21:37.14 | mgeary | in that vuzit example, the say, " It makes it more difficult to steal content as it can't be downloaded." but you have to pass the URL to the PDF in your javascript... Doesn't seem like a very significant advantage... |
| 21:37.32 | redroy | mgeary: didn't know that was possible... I've been looking at http://us2.php.net/pdf but most seems like mostly for creating pdfs |
| 21:37.41 | mgeary | redroy: we do pdf->jpeg all the time |
| 21:37.44 | unum | itimber: what type of sysadmin |
| 21:38.11 | mgeary | ghostscript+imageMagick can do it as well |
| 21:38.36 | unum | I usually use gimp :) |
| 21:39.20 | redroy | do you know of tutorial or documentation to get me started on pdf->jpeg ? How processor intensive is it? |
| 21:39.48 | mgeary | redroy: how big are your PDFs? |
| 21:39.57 | mgeary | what server OS? |
| 21:40.22 | redroy | Size, unkown... server, LAMP |
| 21:40.33 | itimber | small quote from him from way back: "I work on a mixed network. We have both Active Directory and Novell's NDS." |
| 21:40.42 | itimber | (unum) |
| 21:40.46 | mgeary | it can be CPU intensive. I'd recommend implementing a caching mechanism for pdf file/page converted |
| 21:41.07 | mgeary | but if you're using a package manager, just get ghostscript onto the machine |
| 21:41.11 | mgeary | then do something like: |
| 21:41.42 | mgeary | gs -q -sDEVICE=jpeg -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dFirstPage=1 -dLastPage=1 |
| 21:41.42 | mgeary | -r<OUTPUT RESOLUTION> -sOutputFile=<OUTPUT>.jpg <INPUT>.pdf |
| 21:41.42 | mgeary | bah |
| 21:41.42 | mgeary | that's all one line |
| 21:42.06 | mgeary | don't even need imagemagick |
| 21:43.09 | itimber | unum: why, what are you needing? |
| 21:43.15 | redroy | so what is ghostscript? |
| 21:44.29 | redroy | nevermind, reading up on it now |
| 21:44.51 | itimber | redroy: haven't you seen iRobot where the prof talks about the ghosts in the machine... strands of code, grouped together that have unpredictable results. |
| 21:45.06 | itimber | ok.... so that was much funnier in my head :) |
| 21:45.25 | beandog | itimber, that one line ruined the credibility of the sci-fi of the movie |
| 21:45.27 | redroy | lol, I just watched that last week! |
| 21:46.04 | beandog | binary bits are like single celled organisms, whee, chaos! |
| 21:46.18 | itimber | LOL.... fo sho |
| 21:46.34 | beandog | let's turn one on and let it run the city and see what happens! yay! :) |
| 21:46.51 | beandog | turned out just like windows ... forced auto updates. le fail. |
| 21:47.16 | beandog | I love that movie. :) |
| 21:47.34 | beandog | and its on BluRay now, too |
| 21:48.53 | beandog | itimber, is or isn't? |
| 21:49.04 | itimber | ah.... isn't |
| 21:49.06 | itimber | oops |
| 21:49.33 | beandog | there is a lot of hype, but the picture and sound really are *much* better. |
| 21:49.55 | itimber | ya.... so there's more pixels.... but it's not like the change that occurred between VHS and DVD |
| 21:49.56 | beandog | I wouldn't recommend a mass conversion, though. |
| 21:50.01 | itimber | naw |
| 21:50.08 | itimber | but they advertise like it is |
| 21:50.23 | itimber | like everyone will go out and buy all new vids |
| 21:50.26 | itimber | *shrug |
| 21:50.36 | beandog | itimber, you gotta see a *recent* movie (2008 or later) in 1080p, it looks amazing. |
| 21:50.50 | beandog | everything else is kuh. |
| 21:51.24 | beandog | itimber, you know whast really funny though |
| 21:51.31 | itimber | what's that? |
| 21:51.36 | beandog | is the arguments for dvd -> bluray were the *exact* same ones for vhs -> dvd |
| 21:51.47 | itimber | yes |
| 21:51.50 | itimber | I realize that |
| 21:51.55 | beandog | I hear those BluRay demo discs playing, and I'm like, man, this is almost word for word what we heard $x years ago. |
| 21:52.03 | itimber | exactly |
| 21:52.16 | itimber | and they are throwing grips of money into adverts |
| 21:52.25 | beandog | well, adoption is really slow |
| 21:52.55 | beandog | plus, the freaking players are *slow* and eeeeeexpensive |
| 21:53.27 | itimber | fo sho |
| 21:54.12 | itimber | can't wait till I can burn 35GB on a single data disk though |
| 21:54.22 | itimber | and have it come standard |
| 21:54.27 | itimber | will be nice |
| 21:54.55 | beandog | yah |
| 21:54.57 | beandog | that would be nice. |
| 21:56.37 | itimber | I'm just guessing that there was an influx of $$ when DVD came out.... and the Blue Ray guys are trying to recreate it |
| 21:56.45 | itimber | and I just don't see it |
| 21:56.56 | itimber | sure, it's better quality |
| 21:57.01 | beandog | well the really odd thing is that the selection is still *really* slim |
| 21:57.03 | itimber | but not on the same level |
| 21:57.12 | beandog | but, DVDs were that way too ... took a long time for studios to get on board. |
| 21:57.41 | beandog | right now its mostly action movies. |
| 21:59.10 | beandog | The thing Im actually much more glad about is that widescreen is finally the new standard |
| 21:59.24 | itimber | hear hear |
| 21:59.35 | beandog | movie theaters have been in widescreen for 60 years. |
| 21:59.42 | beandog | its about time TVs caught up |
| 22:00.42 | carmony_ | I would love a Blu-ray DVD player |
| 22:00.48 | carmony_ | just don't want to pay for one |
| 22:02.57 | thebigdog | i just want music that i can get for cheap on media that is small and lightweight |
| 22:06.55 | itimber | thebigdog: does your G1 have a media player? how is that? |
| 22:07.13 | thebigdog | it does |
| 22:07.15 | thebigdog | it works good |
| 22:08.17 | itimber | :) |
| 22:08.18 | itimber | anyone need some code??? |
| 22:08.25 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:09.17 | orsonj | do you cakephp well? |
| 22:10.17 | itimber | I'm an expert in another field |
| 22:10.17 | itimber | back office systems |
| 22:10.17 | itimber | for small businesses |
| 22:10.26 | SunSparc | I probably could not afford the likes of an itimber product. |
| 22:10.36 | orsonj | I'll have to keep bothering DexterTheDragon |
| 22:10.48 | itimber | not if I can sneak in $400 w/o someone noticing. :) |
| 22:10.50 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:11.48 | itimber | I'm just kidding.... I'm very honest with my pricing |
| 22:12.00 | DexterTheDragon | wha? |
| 22:12.16 | orsonj | the project I asked you about a few days ago |
| 22:12.27 | orsonj | want to take a look at it sometime? |
| 22:12.32 | DexterTheDragon | ah yes |
| 22:12.46 | DexterTheDragon | yeah I'd like to |
| 22:12.49 | orsonj | weekends, bad for the memory |
| 22:12.54 | orsonj | also, sleeping |
| 22:14.26 | thebigdog | anyone use redbox? |
| 22:14.52 | thebigdog | here is a free code for today only until midnight: 57VH9L |
| 22:15.25 | thebigdog | dont ever say i dont love you guys |
| 22:18.41 | SunSparc | I use RedBox. |
| 22:18.58 | orsonj | hmmm... no good movies recently |
| 22:19.00 | SunSparc | My wife gets free codes in her email all the time. |
| 22:19.09 | SunSparc | Yeah, no good stuff recently. |
| 22:19.47 | thebigdog | yeah i get tons of them now |
| 22:19.54 | thebigdog | codes that is |
| 22:20.03 | thebigdog | but man you think how many new customers they have from those |
| 22:20.27 | mgeary | so what, that code saves you $1? |
| 22:20.30 | thebigdog | i need to talk to the owner of a 7-11 and see how much revenue they bring in...he is getting one put in |
| 22:20.49 | thebigdog | $1.06 to be exact...if you bring it back ontime |
| 22:20.57 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:21.09 | mgeary | meh. i'll stick with netflix for now |
| 22:21.25 | thebigdog | i use netflix for me and redbox for the kiddies |
| 22:21.33 | mgeary | not bad |
| 22:21.35 | thebigdog | i am selfish that way |
| 22:21.43 | thebigdog | that way i have to take their stuff back |
| 22:21.57 | thebigdog | cause daddy is not paying 1.06 for another day |
| 22:22.04 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:22.18 | DexterTheDragon | and redbox only carries crap kiddie movies |
| 22:23.45 | thebigdog | i usually get a free code a week...so i just use them for the kiddies |
| 22:24.05 | thebigdog | DexterTheDragon, yeah cause i dont like buying the crap movies |
| 22:24.41 | thebigdog | i do tend to buy the kiddie movies a lot if they are good |
| 22:25.37 | carmony_ | lol, I used to write software for DVD Kiosks |
| 22:33.34 | undertakingyou | mgeary: ping |
| 22:33.41 | mgeary | oy |
| 22:33.51 | undertakingyou | question for you on that class that you gave me. |
| 22:34.05 | undertakingyou | I put it into my script and it doesn't resize anything at all. |
| 22:34.11 | undertakingyou | http://pastebin.com/d72a801c4 |
| 22:34.20 | undertakingyou | Could you help me debug that ? |
| 22:34.40 | mgeary | one of the first things to check is that apache has write perms on the output image |
| 22:34.58 | mgeary | have you done that? |
| 22:35.44 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:36.26 | undertakingyou | yeah, I checked that. |
| 22:36.32 | mgeary | also, on your line 3, are you intending to use move_uploaded_file ? |
| 22:36.34 | undertakingyou | ALl the files are rw for everyone. |
| 22:36.36 | mgeary | you have upload_file() |
| 22:36.47 | mgeary | also |
| 22:36.54 | mgeary | you're outputting the image to $image1 |
| 22:37.00 | mgeary | which you probably don't want to do |
| 22:37.01 | undertakingyou | Right, upload file is a custom function that calls move_uploaded_file. |
| 22:37.08 | mgeary | ok |
| 22:37.17 | mgeary | but even so, you probably want line 6 to be: |
| 22:37.27 | mgeary | $image1_resize = $im_re->resize_limitwh(150,500,$path_images_obituaries.$image1); |
| 22:37.33 | mgeary | no? |
| 22:37.52 | undertakingyou | Oh, I thought by saying $image1 it would use that whole thing |
| 22:38.10 | mgeary | and actually, the same goes for line 5 |
| 22:38.29 | mgeary | here's the thing, your image1 variable becomes useless once you've moved the uploaded file, no? |
| 22:38.40 | mgeary | at that point the new path is $path_images_obituaries.$image1 |
| 22:38.41 | undertakingyou | you're right. |
| 22:38.48 | mgeary | alrighty then |
| 22:38.51 | undertakingyou | that is true. |
| 22:38.54 | mgeary | i'll let you take it from here |
| 22:38.57 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:39.20 | undertakingyou | now if I did an echo on $image1_resize would it just output 'true'? |
| 22:39.27 | mgeary | believe so |
| 22:39.36 | mgeary | well, in this case, probably false ;) |
| 22:39.46 | undertakingyou | right ;) |
| 22:39.54 | undertakingyou | thanks, I'll run with it. |
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| 22:44.58 | undertakingyou | mgeary: you were right, that worked out great. One odd thing though, it resized the image to 129px wide not 150. Any thoughts? |
| 22:45.09 | mgeary | any chance it was constrained by height? |
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| 22:45.40 | undertakingyou | No, the height was put to 194px |
| 22:45.49 | mgeary | hrm |
| 22:46.02 | mgeary | what were your source image dimensions? |
| 22:46.49 | undertakingyou | 2592 x 3888 |
| 22:47.14 | mgeary | k, give me a minute |
| 22:47.39 | mgeary | that's a big ol' image for an upload... |
| 22:48.04 | undertakingyou | yeah, you can see why I wanted to resize :) |
| 22:48.29 | orsonj | well, 10 megapixel |
| 22:49.25 | undertakingyou | exactly |
| 22:49.26 | orsonj | I'm not really inclined to get a camera over 8mp unless I have a really good reason. |
| 22:49.41 | undertakingyou | orsonj: my reason: status |
| 22:50.16 | orsonj | http://www.hasselbladusa.com/ == status |
| 22:52.14 | orsonj | 2G card holds about 40 pictures |
| 22:52.22 | undertakingyou | yeah, I don't have the money for that kind of status |
| 22:53.57 | orsonj | I don't have the money just to store those kind of pictures |
| 22:58.49 | orsonj | How to turn an 8MP camera into a 10MP camera: whiteout the 8 and write 10 on it, resize the picture in $PHOTOEDITOR, spew noise on the resulting picture, Status! |
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| 23:06.22 | unum | itimber: I know a place in the ogden area looking for unix admins |
| 23:10.39 | mgeary | undertakingyou: i've got a fix |
| 23:10.45 | mgeary | for that issue |
| 23:10.59 | mgeary | apparently i didn't send you the latest version of the file |
| 23:11.51 | itimber | I see |
| 23:12.21 | mgeary | http://www.treelinegroup.com/download/ResizeImage.php.zip <-- file is updated. Also, you'll want to use $im_re->resize_maxsize(150,500,$output). It uses a better approach than resize_limitwh, imo |
| 23:13.21 | undertakingyou | mgeary: thanks, that'll help |
| 23:19.53 | itimber | unum: he's done a bit in Unix/Linux.... but that's really not his specialty |
| 23:20.02 | itimber | unfortunately |
| 23:20.39 | itimber | appreciate the info though |
| 23:50.09 | *** join/#uphpu mgeary_ (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:56.06 | undertakingyou | mgeary: thanks again. That fix was perfect |
| 23:56.23 | undertakingyou | Now it is resizing and I won't be using tons of space or have long load times. |
| 23:57.32 | mgeary_ | cool |
| 23:57.36 | mgeary_ | glad to be of help |