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| 04:49.11 | carmony_ | kubuntu hates me :( |
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| 16:10.51 | unum | a girl just called me and invited me to park city |
| 16:11.01 | wps | why are you still here? |
| 16:11.04 | mindjuju | you should go |
| 16:11.29 | mindjuju | oh wait, is the film festive still on? |
| 16:12.02 | unum | I think it's just starting |
| 16:12.18 | unum | I'm still here because I don't think my manager would be happy if I just took off |
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| 16:13.34 | mindjuju | ***ahem*** you're looking pretty sick there unum, gee, i don't think you should go to work today |
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| 16:36.55 | carmony | Linux hates me :P |
| 16:41.14 | utahcon | That is doubtful carmony. Linux is a lover. |
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| 16:47.00 | Utah_Dave | ~love carmony |
| 16:47.00 | jbot | If you love carmony so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 16:48.09 | carmony | I'm trying to do something crazy :P |
| 16:50.13 | utahcon | What are you trying to do? |
| 16:50.36 | carmony | I'm trying to run a Kubuntu partition on my main machine :P |
| 16:50.43 | carmony | and use it for work :P |
| 16:52.21 | carmony | but when I install the nvidia drivers, reboot, it only comes up in the command prompt |
| 16:52.24 | carmony | terminal |
| 16:52.44 | carmony | and when I try to "startx" it gives me the error "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 17:00.54 | utahcon | Well.. I am sure you know this, but your X is configured wrong. |
| 17:01.12 | unum | [Sun Jan 18 04:16:08 2009] [notice] SIGHUP received. Attempting to restart |
| 17:01.12 | unum | [Sun Jan 18 04:16:09 2009] [notice] seg fault or similar nasty error detected in the parent process |
| 17:01.17 | unum | in my apache logs |
| 17:02.41 | carmony | yeah, but I restored by x backup |
| 17:02.46 | carmony | and it still does it |
| 17:04.21 | utahcon | Have you looked in to the log to find out what part of the X config is dying? |
| 17:04.40 | carmony | let me try that |
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| 17:07.28 | carmony | open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory |
| 17:07.39 | carmony | no devices detected |
| 17:08.31 | utahcon | what is fb0 supposed to be? |
| 17:09.27 | utahcon | oh framebuffer. |
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| 17:16.15 | carmony | I think I might know what the issue is... |
| 17:16.22 | carmony | I have 2 graphics cards |
| 17:16.45 | fungus | If you have more than one, you should include the BusID in your X configuration |
| 17:17.58 | carmony | how do you do that? |
| 17:19.18 | fungus | lspci will scan all your cards and give you busid's for every card |
| 17:19.43 | dataw0lf | g'morning. |
| 17:20.02 | fungus | find the card you are using, and add "BusID "01:00.0" or something similar to the "Device" section of your Xorg.conf |
| 17:23.56 | mindjuju | morning dataw0lf |
| 17:29.49 | carmony | how do I use Ispci? |
| 17:30.28 | jsmith-away | Not i-s-p-c-i... L-s-p-c-i |
| 17:30.35 | carmony | lol |
| 17:31.16 | carmony | in terminal, how do you tell it to print a screen per page? |
| 17:31.34 | carmony | like print X lines, enter to continue? |
| 17:31.40 | utahcon | less |
| 17:31.41 | DexterTheDragon | | less |
| 17:31.50 | utahcon | lspci | less |
| 17:35.31 | SunSparc | http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/lerhigh/index.html |
| 17:39.13 | mindjuju | ravetrax.com is playing some good stuff |
| 17:41.49 | utahcon | SunSparc: LER in Washington DC... very important view. |
| 17:42.08 | SunSparc | utahcon: ;) |
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| 17:46.16 | carmony | well, I unplugged my 2nd PCI card and it started it |
| 17:46.29 | carmony | so I have to configure my xorg.conf to handle both cards? |
| 17:46.41 | utahcon | carmony: or to ignore one |
| 17:47.45 | carmony | well, ideally I'd like to use all 4 monitors I have :P |
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| 18:02.28 | carmony | mindjuju: |
| 18:02.30 | carmony | you there? |
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| 18:11.32 | itimber | morning guys |
| 18:11.39 | cro | yo itimber |
| 18:11.41 | itimber | mgeary: clock in |
| 18:12.03 | itimber | what are you doing cro?!?!? you're supposed to be on the side of some slope somewhere!!! |
| 18:12.16 | cro | Went Saturday |
| 18:12.20 | itimber | ah |
| 18:12.24 | itimber | how was it? |
| 18:12.33 | cro | it was great |
| 18:12.43 | itimber | that's good |
| 18:12.44 | cro | I didn't get hurt. |
| 18:12.44 | cro | :-) |
| 18:12.47 | itimber | nice :) |
| 18:13.00 | itimber | that's always a bonus |
| 18:13.43 | itimber | it's nice to have the slopes so close, eh? |
| 18:14.23 | itimber | you go to PM? how is it there? |
| 18:16.24 | mindjuju | just got back from a metting carmony, have to make 2 phone calls then off to another meet |
| 18:16.25 | mindjuju | what you got? |
| 18:17.13 | carmony | when ever you get a moment, could you tell me how you set up your 4 monitors on linux? :P |
| 18:17.32 | mgeary | itimber: woah, 20 minutes early today? |
| 18:17.51 | mindjuju | carmony, i'm only running linux on srevers and on my laptop |
| 18:17.56 | itimber | ya, but I'm about to roll :) |
| 18:17.57 | mindjuju | not on my desktop at work or home |
| 18:18.02 | itimber | got a meeting at 11:45 |
| 18:18.05 | itimber | LOL |
| 18:18.23 | mindjuju | desktops use XP which i then remote into everything over VNC |
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| 18:19.58 | carmony_linux | awww, okay :P |
| 18:20.12 | cro | itimber: sorry, missed your last message, we went to Wolf Mountain. Kids were new to skiing, that's a great place to learn. |
| 18:20.32 | mindjuju | utahcon, it's awesome |
| 18:20.37 | utahcon | I have two. And linux seems to think they are one. |
| 18:20.49 | mindjuju | like horizontal span or clone? |
| 18:20.58 | utahcon | Horizontal span. |
| 18:21.09 | itimber | cro: that's cool... was this their first time? how'd the kids do? |
| 18:21.11 | mindjuju | ah cool |
| 18:21.17 | mindjuju | i have mine in horizontal span too |
| 18:21.25 | carmony_linux | yeah, I'm thinking I might bag the concept of using Linux as my main machine.... I'm already runnning into major hurdles :P |
| 18:21.40 | cro | itimber: First day isn't fun, but they made lots of progress, and are interested in going again, so I call it a win. |
| 18:22.08 | mindjuju | carmony_linux - i'm slowly jumping over to linux as I'm finding i'm running with less probs on my laptop, but i'm waiting until i get a little more efficent with it |
| 18:22.14 | itimber | that's good man, glad it was a good time |
| 18:22.20 | mindjuju | efficient even |
| 18:22.42 | utahcon | carmony_linux: you won't learn if you aren't forced to... at least I don't. |
| 18:23.25 | mindjuju | utahcon, that's very true, but there is also minimum production that one has to achieve |
| 18:23.38 | mindjuju | if production goes below that for any considerable amount of time, can be bad |
| 18:23.44 | utahcon | Agreed. That is why my lappy (my main computer) is dual boot. |
| 18:23.55 | utahcon | Actually all my machines are dual boot. |
| 18:24.08 | utahcon | but I am pretty good at keeping my linux at least alive enough to write code. |
| 18:24.38 | mindjuju | i'm gettin familiar enough with ubuntu that I think i'd sink for a couple days then be able to pull it off, but honestly, i'm thinking about trying fedora on a VM to just see |
| 18:24.46 | mindjuju | with herlo going around pimping it all the time, i'm curious |
| 18:25.25 | utahcon | to me linux is linux. |
| 18:25.34 | utahcon | Fedora is a bit bloated, but nothing you can't clean up after install. |
| 18:30.35 | itimber | k, I'm out... see ya'll in a bit |
| 18:32.25 | mindjuju | num 1 phone call done, getting ready for num 2 |
| 18:32.55 | mindjuju | utahcon, i'm not savy enough in the ways of linux to argue against it, but i think that there are supposedly great differences in the implementation of linux that dexterthedragon or fungus can speak to |
| 18:33.04 | mindjuju | something about yum and rpm |
| 18:33.11 | mindjuju | and apt-get |
| 18:33.30 | utahcon | well when you talk about package managers sure. |
| 18:33.36 | utahcon | I do things the hard way with source :D |
| 18:34.00 | mindjuju | i've got to learn how to do that |
| 18:34.03 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:34.39 | herlo | utahcon: lol, bloated? |
| 18:34.56 | carmony_linux | lol, uh oh ;) |
| 18:35.57 | herlo | utahcon: comparing with source, any other distro is bloated |
| 18:36.06 | herlo | carmony_linux: KDE 4.2 is nice! |
| 18:36.19 | utahcon | I personally feel (and feel free to discuss this) that linux should be a minimal install. Granted that there are options to that, but less is better. Add what you want after the initial install (or during install). |
| 18:36.26 | carmony_linux | so herlo, you should feel proud, I'm trying to switch to Linux for at least a week :P |
| 18:37.07 | herlo | yay! |
| 18:37.25 | herlo | carmony_linux: I dare you to try it for a month without going to another OS, then you'll really be in deep |
| 18:37.42 | SunSparc | utahcon: Sounds like you need some Gentoo. |
| 18:37.49 | utahcon | I loves the Gentoo! |
| 18:37.59 | mindjuju | whew, good thing it wasn't a double dog dare, cause then carmony_linux would have to really consider doing it |
| 18:38.01 | SunSparc | ~Gentoo++ |
| 18:38.21 | herlo | carmony_linux: I triple-dog-dare you |
| 18:38.37 | utahcon | I don't use Gentoo... I am an ubuntu user. |
| 18:38.40 | mindjuju | dag, no backing down for carmony_linux now |
| 18:38.44 | utahcon | Converted from SuSE |
| 18:38.45 | herlo | lol |
| 18:38.58 | mindjuju | wow, don't go into UTOS and say that |
| 18:39.06 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:39.09 | utahcon | LOL |
| 18:39.13 | utahcon | nothing scares me. |
| 18:39.13 | mindjuju | i'm using ubuntu here too, by the way |
| 18:39.14 | dataw0lf | I use a Linux distro that is so 1337, I'm the only one who has heard of it. |
| 18:39.22 | carmony_linux | the only way I'm able to survive going to Linux is my KVM and MacBook Pro :P |
| 18:39.28 | dataw0lf | all config files are in Klingon |
| 18:39.30 | utahcon | oh yeah dataw0lf? which one? |
| 18:39.33 | utahcon | oh geez |
| 18:40.42 | carmony_linux | I'm on Kubuntu 8.10 right now |
| 18:40.45 | dataw0lf | the filesystem is actually 300 indonesian children in chains, hooked up to a machine, that the OS remotely contacts and has a robotic needle inscribe tattoos onto their backs. |
| 18:40.54 | dataw0lf | yea. it's still in beta. |
| 18:41.25 | mgeary | psh. Indonesian kids are so outmoded |
| 18:41.33 | mgeary | it's Cambodian kids now, didn't you know? |
| 18:41.52 | mindjuju | so kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, right? so i could have the sexy features herlo was pimping at the uphpu meet and have the ubuntu structure? |
| 18:41.53 | dataw0lf | oh man I was going to make a Hamas joke but it left a bad taste in my mouth without me even saying it |
| 18:42.30 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: yes, if by sexy features you mean "KDE Lisa Frank-esque eye candy" |
| 18:42.33 | herlo | mindjuju: right |
| 18:42.36 | utahcon | mindjuju: yeah |
| 18:42.44 | utahcon | or you can install ubunutu and simply add KDE |
| 18:42.50 | dataw0lf | I swear, KDE looks like a trapper keeper my sister used to have in 3rd grade. |
| 18:43.01 | mindjuju | trapper keeper, i lvoe it |
| 18:43.17 | herlo | mindjuju: ^^ |
| 18:43.35 | dataw0lf | I kid, I kid. |
| 18:43.52 | mindjuju | so besides packaging, is there much difference between the distros? |
| 18:44.03 | mindjuju | is bash the same in all the distros? |
| 18:44.15 | dataw0lf | well |
| 18:44.18 | dataw0lf | essentially. |
| 18:44.22 | utahcon | I saw DexterTheDragon rocking the KDE at uphpu last week... made me think about loading it up. |
| 18:44.26 | dataw0lf | some distros will distribute their own bashrcs |
| 18:44.27 | utahcon | bash = bash |
| 18:45.07 | carmony_linux | brb |
| 18:45.34 | fungus | Most distros only really differ in a few areas: Installation, File system layout, package managers, default configurations, art |
| 18:45.56 | dataw0lf | kernel patches |
| 18:46.05 | fungus | However these are enough to start religious wars |
| 18:46.19 | mindjuju | so question then |
| 18:46.20 | fungus | yes, kernel patches too |
| 18:47.03 | fungus | since file system layout, and package managers are most important to me, I choose Ubuntu |
| 18:47.08 | mindjuju | when i was talking about compiz it sounded like some distros had it and others didn't |
| 18:47.23 | mindjuju | the latest compiz fusion, i mean |
| 18:47.27 | fungus | nah, all of them pretty much have it |
| 18:47.40 | fungus | although Suse gets the latest versions the fastest |
| 18:47.49 | mindjuju | yeah, so why is that? |
| 18:48.03 | mindjuju | does Suse get the latest stuff the fastest? |
| 18:48.04 | fungus | Because they hire many of it's developers themselves. |
| 18:48.19 | dataw0lf | well the Compiz project came out of Novell |
| 18:48.23 | fungus | And they don't care about stability as much as others. :P |
| 18:48.24 | mindjuju | oh |
| 18:49.13 | dataw0lf | I haven't seen the latest in 3D Deskop effects for Linux in years |
| 18:50.00 | mindjuju | oh cool! I've needed a tut like this for a long time! - http://laptoplogic.com/resources/a-beginners-guide-on-how-to-install-linux-software |
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| 18:53.14 | carmony_linux | KDE 4.2 is nice :) |
| 18:54.27 | mindjuju | i think i might change over to KDE also carmony_linux if only to get away from ubuntu's ubiquitous poop brown color which permeates everything |
| 18:54.46 | mindjuju | it's really disturbing |
| 18:55.46 | dataw0lf | you can change theme colors |
| 18:56.05 | dataw0lf | http://art.gnome.org/themes and download new themes |
| 18:56.06 | wps | http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Poops-My-Body-Science/dp/0916291456 |
| 18:58.44 | carmony_linux | bah, I froze KDE :P |
| 18:59.05 | SunSparc | Quick! Ctrl+Alt+Del |
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| 19:05.35 | dataw0lf | http://www.smbc-comics.com/ |
| 19:13.12 | dataw0lf | http://eli.thegreenplace.net/category/programming/python/pygame-tutorial/ |
| 19:13.14 | dataw0lf | good stuff. |
| 19:13.31 | dataw0lf | one of the better game dev tutorials I've seen, and in Python/pygame no less. |
| 19:16.05 | mgeary | nice |
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| 20:09.14 | utahcon | can anyone suggest a good PHP based CRM? |
| 20:09.30 | utahcon | preferably free |
| 20:11.00 | SunSparc | WordPress |
| 20:11.14 | utahcon | Customer Relationship Manager. |
| 20:11.15 | mgeary | WordPress has CRM features??! |
| 20:11.24 | mgeary | ~bonehead SunSparc |
| 20:11.26 | SunSparc | I spoke too sone. :) |
| 20:11.36 | mgeary | ;) |
| 20:11.47 | utahcon | we'll let it slide this time :D |
| 20:12.15 | herlo | sugar |
| 20:12.20 | herlo | sugarCRM |
| 20:12.27 | herlo | it's free... |
| 20:12.33 | utahcon | is it really all it is talked up to be? |
| 20:12.36 | herlo | not sure if it is php, but I think it is... |
| 20:13.03 | herlo | utahcon: I've used it a couple times, seems decent enough. You could always ask the guys at Alfresco since that's what they use too |
| 20:13.26 | utahcon | i'll try it |
| 20:13.34 | utahcon | anyone else want to throw in the circle, feel free. |
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| 20:15.04 | herlo | utahcon: to download it's a bit convoluted: use http://tinyurl.com/9ysmdf |
| 20:15.39 | utahcon | onces? |
| 20:15.47 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:16.07 | SunSparc | My spelling is bad today. |
| 20:16.10 | herlo | it's similar to its friends 'twices', 'thrices' and so on |
| 20:16.40 | utahcon | Thrice... good band. |
| 20:18.30 | utahcon | geez... ftping up sugarcrm ... over 6600 files? |
| 20:19.06 | herlo | woo! |
| 20:19.32 | utahcon | thank god it's fungus's bandwidth! |
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| 20:22.21 | utahcon | anyone successfully paired PHP 5.2.x with SQLite 3? |
| 20:23.45 | wps | not I |
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| 20:50.23 | SunSparc | ~Filezilla++ |
| 20:50.36 | SunSparc | On Windows at least. |
| 20:50.42 | SunSparc | ~Transmit++ |
| 20:50.43 | SunSparc | On Mac |
| 20:51.44 | utahcon | ~filezilla++ on linux! |
| 20:52.01 | utahcon | 's glare |
| 20:52.01 | utahcon | stupid <enter> key |
| 20:52.31 | fungus | ahh, Sugar isn't that big. We got plenty of bandwidth for that. |
| 20:52.31 | SunSparc | ~lart utahcon's stupid <enter> key |
| 20:52.31 | jbot | slaps utahcon's stupid <enter> key upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 20:52.37 | utahcon | good thing, cause I wasn't going to stop |
| 21:18.33 | DexterTheDragon | think positive thoughts |
| 21:18.33 | utahcon | why not? |
| 21:18.36 | unum | carmony_linux: you just have to give up gaming |
| 21:18.45 | carmony_linux | No Rhapsody :( |
| 21:18.48 | unum | actually cedega has been working pretty well for me lately |
| 21:18.57 | utahcon | Rhapsody? Really? |
| 21:18.57 | carmony_linux | unum: ,I'm already dual booting atm ;) |
| 21:19.10 | unum | now if only I could get enough hardware to run civ IV |
| 21:20.34 | mindjuju | surely no when you can have ravetrax.com and di.fm breaks for free |
| 21:20.56 | mindjuju | but DON'T use pandora |
| 21:21.05 | mindjuju | pandora == eeeeevil |
| 21:21.17 | jsmith-busy | mindjuju: What about live.fm? Does that work? |
| 21:21.28 | mindjuju | never tried it |
| 21:21.32 | jsmith-busy | mindjuju: (and if you tell me they're evil too... I'll.... be evil!) |
| 21:21.37 | mindjuju | oh wait, i did once, for tierra |
| 21:21.46 | mindjuju | but seems like there was a prob with it |
| 21:22.03 | utahcon | what is wrong with pandora? |
| 21:22.19 | jsmith-busy | There's even a #utah group on live.fm, so you can check out what all your other friendly utah geeks are listening to |
| 21:23.00 | mindjuju | i have proof that pandora can read your mind |
| 21:23.19 | utahcon | Wait... isn't that good? |
| 21:23.26 | utahcon | so they can pick more musics for me? |
| 21:23.57 | mindjuju | pandora is like the ancient sirens |
| 21:24.06 | mindjuju | course, i think that was syrens, wasn't ? |
| 21:24.23 | utahcon | hot chicks that sing songs till you run your ship aground? |
| 21:24.40 | mindjuju | anyways, you get lulled into a musically-induced stupor while they feast on your brain |
| 21:24.51 | utahcon | zombies! |
| 21:25.17 | mindjuju | only listen to pandora with a tin foil hat |
| 21:25.34 | utahcon | is there any real reason to not use pandora? |
| 21:25.48 | utahcon | are they paid by the RIAA to scan my machine for "stolen" MP3s? |
| 21:25.57 | carmony | SunSparc: http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20090119 |
| 21:26.11 | utahcon | XKCD for today was GREAT! |
| 21:27.27 | SunSparc | carmony: lol |
| 21:27.44 | utahcon | smog in this valley sux! |
| 21:27.50 | SunSparc | I better be careful around my Wii Fit trainer. |
| 21:28.07 | mindjuju | utahcon, other than feeding off your brain, no there really isn't another reason to not lsiten to pandora |
| 21:28.22 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:29.04 | SunSparc | ~Pandora++ |
| 21:29.27 | SunSparc | mindjuju loves Pandora, he just will not admit it in public. |
| 21:30.19 | mindjuju | i'll admit it. Pandora read my brain and tried to lull me into a musically-induced state of stupor so that the sirens could feed on my brain, and thus don't indulge |
| 21:30.32 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:30.47 | utahcon | mindjuju: was it you hated the "are you still there" |
| 21:31.24 | mindjuju | hmmm, don't think so, don't know what that is |
| 21:34.13 | utahcon | if you don't touch it for a while it will stop playing music and ask "Are you still listening" or "Are you still there" |
| 21:34.53 | mindjuju | really? didn't know about that |
| 21:35.55 | carmony | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/01/19 |
| 21:38.36 | wps | wow |
| 21:41.37 | SunSparc | utahcon: Pandora does not ask you that anymore. |
| 21:41.46 | SunSparc | Or, at least, it does not ask me. |
| 21:41.49 | utahcon | what? Since when? |
| 21:41.59 | SunSparc | Been a long while now. |
| 21:42.01 | utahcon | yeah if you leave it alone it will stop. |
| 21:42.07 | utahcon | did it to me just a few weeks ago |
| 21:42.09 | mindjuju | it's prolly cause sunsparc has already been assimilated |
| 21:42.22 | SunSparc | This is true, I am a paid subscriber. |
| 21:42.43 | mindjuju | scary |
| 21:42.45 | utahcon | meh... I don't pay. |
| 21:43.02 | mindjuju | resistance is futile ... you will pay |
| 21:43.12 | SunSparc | Then again, I also own only Macs. :) |
| 21:43.24 | utahcon | I won't pay |
| 21:43.26 | utahcon | you can't make me |
| 21:43.32 | utahcon | cause there is always the way of the pirate |
| 21:43.34 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 21:43.46 | SunSparc | jbot, make utahcon pay |
| 21:43.46 | jbot | make: *** No rule to make target `utahcon pay'. Stop. |
| 21:44.11 | utahcon | ha! see |
| 21:44.26 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 22:04.52 | beandog | ~monday monday |
| 22:05.48 | SunSparc | ~lart beandog |
| 22:05.48 | jbot | executes killall -TERM beandog |
| 22:05.59 | beandog | buh :@ |
| 22:06.46 | beandog | I need an assistant to go and fetch me M&Ms |
| 22:08.42 | SunSparc | jbot, give beandog some M&M's |
| 22:08.43 | jbot | ACTION gives some M&M's to beandog |
| 22:14.03 | mindjuju | beandog, have you ever heard of cccp? |
| 22:14.14 | beandog | mmm, dont think so |
| 22:14.16 | beandog | oh wait. |
| 22:14.19 | beandog | community codec pack |
| 22:14.25 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:14.30 | beandog | yah |
| 22:14.37 | mindjuju | looks interesting, but don't know much about it |
| 22:14.41 | mindjuju | any good? |
| 22:14.44 | beandog | uh |
| 22:14.54 | beandog | yah, its basically codec support + a decent player for wmp |
| 22:14.55 | SunSparc | "USSR" == "CCCP" |
| 22:14.56 | mindjuju | as far as codec packs go? |
| 22:15.13 | mindjuju | @sunsparc - yup |
| 22:15.24 | beandog | mindjuju, I guess, I dunno, I dont really do much with Windows. |
| 22:15.30 | mindjuju | remember, "American Soviets" was by CCCP |
| 22:15.31 | beandog | I know it allows MKV playback |
| 22:15.59 | mindjuju | hmmm, i wonder if it has encoders as well as decoders |
| 22:16.13 | mindjuju | i'm looking for an mpeg encoder |
| 22:16.30 | beandog | well t here's ffmpeg |
| 22:16.39 | beandog | or vlc, I think, does some encoding. |
| 22:16.40 | mindjuju | ah cool |
| 22:16.51 | beandog | but if you dont mind CLI, I'd use ffmpeg above anything |
| 22:16.55 | beandog | I have no idea what there is for Windows. |
| 22:17.49 | herlo | vlc works on winders |
| 22:18.02 | beandog | I mean for encoders |
| 22:18.09 | herlo | yes, it shoudl |
| 22:18.09 | beandog | vlc is a nice player, but I dont know if can encode anything |
| 22:18.14 | beandog | I know it re-encodes,but that's about it. |
| 22:18.20 | beandog | I just use ffmpeg. |
| 22:18.20 | herlo | it can re-encode, right |
| 22:18.25 | herlo | ffmpeg is better |
| 22:19.02 | herlo | there's also ogg-theora encoders in Linux, much better compression ratio. Too bad it's not as well accepted |
| 22:19.11 | beandog | theora is a waste of time. |
| 22:19.28 | beandog | er, because of adoption |
| 22:19.30 | herlo | theora now has support in browsers |
| 22:19.32 | beandog | Im sure the codec is nice. |
| 22:19.42 | dataw0lf | yum VisualHub. |
| 22:19.45 | herlo | it's just a matter of time |
| 22:20.02 | beandog | herlo, I dunno, Im pretty pessimistic. |
| 22:20.09 | beandog | I don't think Vorbis has really taken off, or will. |
| 22:20.27 | fungus | "VisualHub, AudialHub, and iSquint have been discontinued and are no longer for sale." |
| 22:20.28 | herlo | it will, but it needs to continue growing, it's kind of like Linux |
| 22:20.42 | herlo | dataw0lf: no VisualHub in Fedora with yum |
| 22:20.45 | herlo | F10 |
| 22:20.48 | dataw0lf | fungus: need a copy? |
| 22:20.52 | dataw0lf | herlo: it's a OS X app. |
| 22:21.00 | herlo | dataw0lf: why did you recommend yum? |
| 22:21.05 | beandog | herlo, yah, I guess. |
| 22:21.15 | herlo | I thought they used they're own packaging |
| 22:21.17 | dataw0lf | herlo: oh... haha. i meant yum as in "I lubs VisualHub" |
| 22:21.22 | herlo | lol |
| 22:21.25 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 22:21.25 | beandog | herlo, as far as video, *everyone* is pretty much standardizing on MP4 though. Which is nice, if only to finally have a common format. |
| 22:21.32 | fungus | dataw0lf: sure. |
| 22:21.47 | mindjuju | beandog - true that |
| 22:21.49 | herlo | beandog: problem with mp4, most older computers can't support its codecs |
| 22:21.57 | herlo | matroska is very similar |
| 22:22.04 | beandog | herlo, define older? I totally disagree. |
| 22:22.04 | dataw0lf | fungus: eine moment (greatest converter/burner ever, btw) |
| 22:22.08 | herlo | my computer can't even play it |
| 22:22.10 | dataw0lf | fungus: have you used it before? |
| 22:22.17 | herlo | IBM T60p |
| 22:22.24 | herlo | choppy at best |
| 22:22.25 | beandog | herlo, its just a matter of codec support, and after that, you just add framedropping |
| 22:22.28 | fungus | Nope, but I haven't found a good OSX converter yet |
| 22:22.41 | herlo | beandog: you'll have to prove it to me someday |
| 22:22.43 | beandog | old computers can't play HD anyway, but that's not what I was referring to |
| 22:22.47 | herlo | theora can do it now... |
| 22:22.50 | dataw0lf | fungus: ho ho, one second. |
| 22:22.57 | beandog | As a container + standard goes, MP4 is winning across the board. |
| 22:23.03 | herlo | beandog: my computer isn't that old, like 2 years is all |
| 22:23.15 | beandog | herlo, well I dont see what you mean then |
| 22:24.03 | herlo | it chops up the video so bad I can't play it, the audio is fine, but the video can't keep up |
| 22:24.24 | beandog | herlo, well are you talking about HD or just any MP4 |
| 22:24.28 | herlo | I have a decent video driver/card (ATI Mobility FireGL) |
| 22:24.31 | beandog | er, as in MPEG4 |
| 22:24.35 | herlo | beandog: MP4 |
| 22:24.47 | herlo | HD is usually the standard on those though... |
| 22:24.56 | beandog | herlo, heh, no, not at all actually |
| 22:25.01 | beandog | MP4 can hold a *lot* of stuff. |
| 22:25.06 | herlo | hmm, that's most of what I have seen |
| 22:25.21 | herlo | beandog: true that, I wasn't arguing that it couldn't hold other stuff |
| 22:25.27 | herlo | beandog: as do I |
| 22:25.32 | herlo | but we want different paths |
| 22:25.36 | beandog | herlo, ahkay, well Id agree with you that older comps can't and won't be able to play HD |
| 22:25.44 | beandog | obviously no argument there |
| 22:25.46 | dataw0lf | fungus: your search is over, my friend: http://truedat.org/media/VisualHub1.3.4.zip |
| 22:25.47 | herlo | beandog: even mine ?? |
| 22:25.48 | beandog | herlo, I just read you wrong |
| 22:25.58 | beandog | herlo, you just need decent processor |
| 22:26.01 | herlo | Core Duo |
| 22:26.06 | beandog | even on my fastes amd64 it's choppy |
| 22:26.08 | fungus | wow, it's tiny. Can't wait to test it out. |
| 22:26.12 | herlo | I have a decent processor |
| 22:26.18 | beandog | herlo, like, 2008 recent |
| 22:26.25 | dataw0lf | fungus: it's amazing. Just drag and drop video files and do whatever |
| 22:26.27 | beandog | dualcore 3 ghz at *least* |
| 22:26.38 | herlo | beandog: that's not reasonable for anybody really |
| 22:26.43 | dataw0lf | I'll drag and drop two avis, have them stitched together into an mp4 and burned in less than 30 minutes |
| 22:26.48 | herlo | at least not vfor the average user |
| 22:26.49 | beandog | herlo, well, prices are dropping, and video cards are getting onboard decoders |
| 22:26.54 | fungus | wow, really nice. |
| 22:26.59 | beandog | XVMC, baby. |
| 22:27.24 | beandog | With that, you'll get CPU usage down to 1 to 2% on playback |
| 22:27.26 | beandog | and awesome video. |
| 22:27.56 | beandog | that still has some ways to go, though. |
| 22:28.39 | herlo | hmm |
| 22:28.49 | herlo | I've seen XVMC a little, but I will have to play more with it |
| 22:29.08 | beandog | well support for it pretty much sucks on linux right now |
| 22:29.11 | beandog | well, as far as Ive seen |
| 22:29.13 | beandog | works for MPEG2 |
| 22:29.16 | beandog | some. |
| 22:29.25 | beandog | ffmpeg is just barely getting MPEG4 support |
| 22:29.28 | beandog | as in, last week |
| 22:29.36 | beandog | so, it's coming |
| 22:29.52 | dataw0lf | fungus: VisualHub even has Xgrid support. Haven't tested it out yet though. |
| 22:30.06 | beandog | that's where the action is at, though, hardware decoders. |
| 22:30.13 | beandog | it just takes too much to playback HD otherwise. |
| 22:30.30 | fungus | lol, sounds neat, but unnecessary for me. |
| 22:30.46 | beandog | and that's also how you'll get these quiet, fanless tiny boxes that are like 700mhz Atoms that can playback 1080p reliably |
| 22:31.11 | beandog | well, 720p at least. |
| 22:46.53 | herlo | yeah, hardware decoders are nice |
| 22:47.23 | herlo | thing is, i want to be able to use my device for much more than just watchign movies |
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| 23:26.02 | dataw0lf | =/win 7 |
| 23:26.07 | dataw0lf | :\ |
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