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| 00:20.26 | timber | I'm out guys.... later |
| 00:26.12 | mindjuju | hey |
| 00:26.20 | beandog | hows it going juju |
| 00:27.17 | beandog | I ran into the weirdest CSS bug today |
| 00:27.24 | beandog | It only happens on Firefox with Vista. |
| 00:27.47 | beandog | still haven't fixed it, actually |
| 00:27.53 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 00:28.41 | beandog | my boss uses vista, but I have to find one to test on |
| 00:29.59 | mindjuju | hmm, don't have vista installed anywhere |
| 00:30.09 | mindjuju | i could prolly throw it in a virtual machine |
| 00:30.40 | beandog | ah dont worry about it |
| 00:30.43 | beandog | Ill just get one |
| 00:30.50 | beandog | we have, like, 5000 computers anyway |
| 00:31.24 | beandog | Im just surprised, really |
| 00:31.33 | beandog | worked in Chrome |
| 00:31.39 | beandog | I forgot to try IE |
| 00:31.46 | beandog | Nobody here uses IE. :) |
| 00:31.53 | beandog | It's all Chrome and *then* Firefox. |
| 00:41.39 | mgeary | so tell me this, folks |
| 00:41.59 | mgeary | we have a dev machine that has both an internal and a public IP address |
| 00:42.44 | mgeary | now, i thought i understood correctly that our router would basically handle the DNS such that the performance of requests over the public IP would basically be the same as requests over the internal IP, but i'm finding that this is radically NOT the case |
| 00:43.01 | mgeary | there's a 10x+ speed difference |
| 00:43.29 | mgeary | any suggestions? Yes, i could just always use the internal IP, but esp. on my laptop that means juggling bookmarks |
| 00:44.18 | beandog | yah, if its a public ip, it'll go outside the network to go back in |
| 00:44.20 | beandog | I think. |
| 00:44.40 | beandog | unless you have an internal DNS server you're using that is configured to realize where you're going |
| 00:44.45 | beandog | not sure. |
| 00:44.48 | mgeary | but here's the thing, when i do a traceroute, it goes pretty much straight to it |
| 00:44.49 | beandog | ask fungus |
| 00:45.21 | mgeary | well, i would... |
| 00:45.32 | mgeary | but for some reason he thinks he gets to stop working now and then |
| 00:45.36 | beandog | mgeary, dunno man, other than adding a hosts entry |
| 00:45.45 | mgeary | yeah |
| 00:45.47 | mindjuju | furngus should be at the meet at 7p |
| 00:45.54 | mindjuju | you could ask him then |
| 00:46.12 | mgeary | meh. my daughter is getting an award at the Provo District Reflections awards assembly tonight |
| 00:46.55 | mindjuju | brb |
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| 01:39.22 | Carmony_iPhone | Mindjuju: you there? :p |
| 01:39.26 | brasto | mindjuju, i was going to go to the meeting tonight, but I didn't realize it's the same night as something my wife has planned on. She can't drive anymore because her brain tumor made her blind on the right side, besides her reaction time is very slow. My mom would normally take her, but my mom is out of town. In short, I was hoping to see everyone, but I won't be able to. |
| 01:40.01 | brasto | I was hoping to even go to the dinner with everyone for the first time. |
| 01:41.02 | Carmony_iPhone | bastro: bummer, we'll have to see you next time! |
| 01:41.06 | beandog | brasto, holy crap, sorry to hear that about your wife. :@ |
| 01:41.16 | brasto | This meeting is perfectly timed for something I want to start, so I'm wondering if you can take a quick pole for me at the end. |
| 01:41.39 | brasto | beandog: thank you. I've had a while to adjust because we found the tumor back in August of 2007 |
| 01:41.48 | brasto | but it was a life changer for all of us. |
| 01:43.03 | brasto | That's the reason we're in wvc now instead of Orem - my parents live with us now. |
| 01:43.21 | brasto | Carmony_iPhone: does your iphone chat program support tab completion? |
| 01:43.24 | brasto | :) |
| 01:43.37 | Carmony_iPhone | I don't think so. |
| 01:43.45 | brasto | I ask because I'm not bastro :) |
| 01:43.59 | Carmony_iPhone | I noticed :P |
| 01:44.04 | brasto | lol |
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| 01:44.44 | brasto | i see a couple people in this chat I that I don't recognize by chat name/nick |
| 01:44.57 | brasto | there's another one, make that three :) |
| 01:45.07 | brasto | ~wake herlo |
| 01:45.08 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on herlo and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 01:45.45 | brasto | mindjuju: let me know when you've got my chats above, and I'll let you know what I'd like you to mention at the end of the meeting. |
| 01:45.46 | romanovic | same here, but i haven't met people except at UTOSC |
| 01:46.12 | Carmony_iPhone | Mindjuju: we're outside waiting. |
| 01:46.15 | brasto | well, you've at least virtually met some of the people here, right? |
| 01:46.24 | brasto | ~get mindjuju |
| 01:46.25 | jbot | ACTION fetches mindjuju |
| 01:46.25 | romanovic | certainly |
| 01:47.11 | romanovic | i have no night classes this semester, i'd be interested in going to some meetings finally |
| 01:47.13 | brasto | Carmony, romanovic, and redroy all seem new to me since I frequented this channel |
| 01:47.50 | brasto | I think i recognize burnin and cycokilr nicks, but I'm not sure, I haven't been here a while. |
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| 01:49.59 | romanovic | i wish i could make tonights meeting, but i'll just have to wait until the next one |
| 02:17.59 | brasto | ~kick mindjuju |
| 02:18.00 | jbot | ACTION kicks mindjuju |
| 02:18.10 | brasto | ~hit mindjuju |
| 02:18.11 | jbot | ACTION slaps mindjuju. |
| 02:18.22 | brasto | ~slap mindjuju |
| 02:18.23 | jbot | ACTION slaps mindjuju, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:18.42 | brasto | heh, I haven't played with jbot for a while... what fun! |
| 02:19.19 | orsonj | woohoo! Yay for wireless |
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| 02:27.20 | carmony_ | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 02:27.20 | jbot | farts in DexterTheDragon's general direction |
| 02:27.27 | carmony_ | ~lart macnewbold |
| 02:27.27 | jbot | changes macnewbold's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 02:27.52 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart carmony_ |
| 02:28.13 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart carmony_ |
| 02:28.13 | jbot | moos at carmony_ |
| 02:28.17 | carmony_ | lol |
| 02:28.22 | DexterTheDragon | lame |
| 02:28.24 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart carmony_ |
| 02:28.24 | jbot | pours hot grits down the front of carmony_'s pants |
| 02:28.29 | DexterTheDragon | better |
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| 03:13.33 | carmony_ | ~lart macnewbold |
| 03:13.33 | jbot | slaps macnewbold around with a large trout |
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| 03:16.10 | herlo | carmony_: are you at the meeting? |
| 03:16.29 | herlo | since I've never met you... :) |
| 03:16.30 | carmony_ | yeah |
| 03:16.36 | carmony_ | with the 17" macbook |
| 03:16.38 | herlo | Am I sitting across from you :) |
| 03:16.46 | carmony_ | lol |
| 03:16.47 | carmony_ | nice |
| 03:16.48 | herlo | yep, that's what I thought |
| 03:19.13 | carmony_ | lol, for the record, I swear everyone uses the Carrington theme for WordPress, but I was first ;) |
| 03:21.53 | herlo | carmony_: I don't use the Carrington theme, and you weren't the first, Alex King was :) |
| 03:22.06 | carmony_ | lol, very true |
| 03:22.09 | herlo | it's fun to see your reaction |
| 03:22.14 | herlo | in person! |
| 03:22.23 | herlo | http://sexysexypenguins.com/ |
| 03:22.25 | carmony_ | LOL, that is something you almost never get with IRC |
| 03:22.30 | herlo | no carrington theme ^^ |
| 03:22.37 | carmony_ | ...... I don't dare click :P |
| 03:22.45 | herlo | you should, it truly is my blog |
| 03:22.52 | carmony_ | I don't want to get rickrolled in the meeting! |
| 03:22.55 | herlo | feel free to try http://fedoratutorials.com |
| 03:23.07 | carmony_ | lol |
| 03:23.11 | carmony_ | So I see :) |
| 03:26.50 | utahcon1 | what's wrong with Carrington? Other than I haven't skinned it better? |
| 03:27.14 | carmony_ | Its really nice, its just that when I used it, I ran into like 4 or 5 other people I know who use it |
| 03:27.46 | utahcon1 | Alex King pimped it @ WordCamp Utah, so everyone in UT uses it now :D |
| 03:28.49 | carmony_ | LOL, I wasn't available for WordCamp utah... I was busy writing web services and more web services. :P |
| 03:30.32 | brasto | herlo, congratts on that position |
| 03:30.59 | herlo | brasto: thx |
| 03:31.10 | herlo | brasto: how come you aren't at UPHPU?? |
| 03:31.28 | herlo | utahcon1: good point! |
| 03:31.32 | brasto | I wanted to come. Look up for what I was trying to say to mindjuju for why |
| 03:31.46 | herlo | carmony_ should start coming to events rather than working, you get a lot more done that way :) |
| 03:31.53 | brasto | timestamp 6:38:21 |
| 03:32.01 | herlo | lol |
| 03:32.40 | herlo | brasto: well, life gets in the way for everyone lately it seems |
| 03:32.51 | herlo | but you are a good man |
| 03:32.51 | carmony_ | is this a normal sized meeting? |
| 03:32.57 | herlo | somewhat |
| 03:33.03 | herlo | I've seen it larger and smaller |
| 03:33.11 | brasto | thank you herlo. |
| 03:33.17 | herlo | this meeting seems pretty average sized... |
| 03:33.24 | carmony_ | I scared everyone away cause I presented last time :P |
| 03:33.25 | brasto | are they still presenting? |
| 03:33.37 | herlo | carmony_: nope, it was December, nobody goes in december |
| 03:33.39 | carmony_ | DexterTheDragon: is still going on and on.... :P |
| 03:33.41 | herlo | brasto: yep |
| 03:33.45 | herlo | isn't it streaming? |
| 03:33.56 | wps | any svn (or version control systems in general) pros up for a question? |
| 03:34.03 | herlo | shoot |
| 03:34.11 | wps | thanks, herlo |
| 03:34.20 | wps | I have used SVN quite a bit now |
| 03:34.35 | wps | I have tagged quite a bit to preserve moments in time |
| 03:34.45 | herlo | ugh! I hate tags in SVN |
| 03:34.55 | wps | but I have only branched and then merged back in once |
| 03:34.58 | brasto | I wanted to announce to attendees that I want to start a small cake php study group. It's completely informal, and maybe we'll meet at library's and practice building a web site or two with the cakephp framework |
| 03:35.28 | wps | at work, we are just wrapping up version 1A |
| 03:35.36 | wps | we need to start working on 1B |
| 03:35.43 | herlo | brasto: I've been reprimanded by the gf for making her feel "lonely" |
| 03:35.49 | herlo | wps: k |
| 03:35.57 | brasto | the gf? |
| 03:36.09 | herlo | girlfriend |
| 03:36.16 | wps | we need to branch 1A so that QA and engineering have just that to look at while we start checking 1B updates into the trunk |
| 03:36.29 | herlo | okay |
| 03:36.31 | herlo | is that all? |
| 03:36.37 | wps | while we are working on 1B however there will be bugs and change-requests for 1A that will come through |
| 03:36.41 | herlo | sure |
| 03:36.44 | wps | so, here's the question |
| 03:36.45 | herlo | that's the point of branching |
| 03:36.48 | wps | yes |
| 03:36.59 | wps | (trying to learn the best practice) |
| 03:37.05 | brasto | ah, i met your girlfriend once, haven't i herlo? |
| 03:37.12 | herlo | brasto: yep |
| 03:37.54 | wps | do we just make the 1A updates in the 1A branch or in both the 1A branch and the trunk? my first thought was just the 1A branch and then merge them back in once we are done supporting that brach, but⦠|
| 03:38.16 | wps | we need to be able to see those changes in the trunk as well as they will influence future development |
| 03:39.01 | herlo | so here's my pov on this issue, clearly you will have two branches and in most cases the 1A code should be stable enough to just work. |
| 03:39.22 | herlo | clearly you'll have bugs in 1A that will need to be fixed. But you have to draw the line at some point as to what you will fix |
| 03:39.36 | herlo | security, functional fixes are generally what you might limit it to |
| 03:40.23 | herlo | as for 1B (the new master branch), you should apply the changes only if the new development isn't going to be affecting that code (either for a while or at all) |
| 03:41.00 | herlo | so essentially, in some cases, you'll be applying patches to two (or more) places. This is why major distributions only support old code for so long... |
| 03:41.43 | herlo | wps: sound reasonable to you? Of course, I am only one person, I would recommend getting a lot of opinions on this... |
| 03:41.59 | carmony_ | Thats when I learned not to use Fedora for my Production Servers ;) They burn through releases like toilet paper :P |
| 03:42.10 | wps | amen to that |
| 03:42.18 | wps | yes, makes sense |
| 03:42.19 | wps | thanks, herlo |
| 03:43.18 | herlo | carmony_: fedora is great for production servers if you are looking for the latest and greatest. |
| 03:43.28 | herlo | If not, use CentOS or RHEL |
| 03:43.36 | carmony_ | I use CentOS :) |
| 03:43.42 | herlo | and you can stay on a release for a long time in Fedora if you like |
| 03:43.43 | brasto | herlo, did you interview with Jeremy Robb for that position |
| 03:43.45 | herlo | carmony_: me too |
| 03:43.47 | brasto | ? |
| 03:43.48 | herlo | brasto: I did |
| 03:43.50 | wps | I like CentOS |
| 03:43.53 | herlo | great guy |
| 03:44.05 | wps | I wish I would wave a wand and have my box upgraded from FC3 to CentOS |
| 03:44.29 | herlo | RHEL is useful when you are a large company with SANS and other fun equipment. It's useful to have RH there to fix bugs that you don't have time to solve |
| 03:44.43 | herlo | wps: that's not really an upgrade :) |
| 03:44.47 | wps | I know :) |
| 03:45.01 | herlo | but you can go from FC3 to CentOS 4 straight across |
| 03:45.12 | herlo | just don't update to CentOS 4.7 |
| 03:45.14 | carmony_ | I just need to work on my Linux skills. I struggle compiling stuff from source and stuff like that |
| 03:45.15 | wps | you can? |
| 03:45.19 | herlo | without upgrading each... |
| 03:45.32 | carmony_ | lots of times, if I don't have a repo available, I struggle through installs/upgrades |
| 03:45.34 | brasto | I interviewed for that as well, but I knew I'd probably be competing against you and a couple other current GL employees maybe, so I didn't think I'd think I'd get it. |
| 03:45.36 | herlo | wps: well CentOS 4 is a rebuild of RHEL4 which is based upon FC3 |
| 03:45.45 | brasto | s/you/herlo/ |
| 03:46.05 | wps | herlo, is the trunk usually considered unstable? and there is a stable branch? |
| 03:46.08 | herlo | brasto: you also competed against Christer |
| 03:46.17 | herlo | wps: the trunk of fedora? |
| 03:46.23 | wps | no |
| 03:46.30 | wps | just a trunk of a software project in general |
| 03:46.39 | herlo | wps: yes, the trunk is new development |
| 03:46.51 | herlo | in git they call that the master branch (sorry for the mixup in terminology) |
| 03:47.29 | brasto | So you won't be traveling for at least 4 months herlo? |
| 03:47.43 | herlo | brasto: I don't work for GL anymore |
| 03:47.52 | brasto | oh? When did that happen? |
| 03:48.03 | herlo | I was one of the 5 Guru's Laid off at the beginning of December |
| 03:48.05 | wps | currently our 1B is the trunk |
| 03:48.09 | herlo | right |
| 03:48.25 | wps | what if you have business owners and functional analysts that need to be viewing the new development, but it needs to contain the patches as well? just have a 1B branch that I just update from the trunk and 1A frequently? |
| 03:48.25 | brasto | I was going to ask how GL is doing... I guess that answers my question... |
| 03:48.57 | herlo | wps: use tags |
| 03:49.09 | wps | well, tags and branches are technically the same thing |
| 03:49.14 | herlo | you can tag the unstable code as a snapshot in time |
| 03:49.24 | herlo | sure, but it's how you treat them... |
| 03:49.32 | herlo | in cvs tags and branches were very different |
| 03:50.03 | brasto | herlo, i would have thought you would have been one of the last to be chosen for a lay off at gl... that's a surprise to me. |
| 03:50.25 | wps | thanks for talking through itâ¦Â i think I have it worked out in my head now |
| 03:50.31 | herlo | brasto: in retrospect, I'm sure it had something to do with my interview when you left... |
| 03:50.37 | herlo | wps: nw, anytime |
| 03:50.47 | carmony_ | Branching, Tags, and Merging was scary for me at first |
| 03:50.55 | carmony_ | I remember my first merge, I thought it was going to explode |
| 03:51.19 | wps | same, carmony |
| 03:51.28 | utahcon1 | we are still using CVS :( |
| 03:51.38 | utahcon1 | would kill for SVN @ work |
| 03:51.43 | utahcon1 | or git |
| 03:52.03 | carmony_ | I would love to try git.... but I'm a Mac/Win guy and I'm in love with TortoiseSVN |
| 03:52.38 | herlo | carmony_: you can use a gui for git in Mac, I forget what it's called |
| 03:52.39 | utahcon1 | I use Eclipse for all my version control interfacing... is there (and I am sure there is) a plugin for git for Eclipse? |
| 03:52.53 | mrkrow | carmony_: you can use git......herlo beat me |
| 03:52.55 | brasto | interesting. I suppose I shouldn't ask more on the public channel. Have you found a good new job yet herlo? |
| 03:53.04 | herlo | mrkrow: hehe |
| 03:53.12 | carmony_ | lol |
| 03:53.20 | herlo | brasto: yeah, had another job right before christmas |
| 03:53.36 | brasto | nice, what do you do now? |
| 03:53.48 | mrkrow | utahcon1: I used to use Eclipse like about a year in a half ago. Have they improved its speed? |
| 03:54.03 | herlo | I am the 'Web Architect' (I picked the name) for a small company in Salt Lake that creates Scrapbooking Software |
| 03:54.08 | utahcon1 | I have no problems with it. I am running Ganymede (sp?) |
| 03:54.25 | herlo | Ganymede? Is that debian? |
| 03:54.28 | utahcon1 | Web Arch for Scrapbooking? that sounds exciting. |
| 03:54.50 | herlo | oh, yes! |
| 03:54.58 | utahcon1 | Ganymede is name of Eclipse version 3.4 |
| 03:55.05 | herlo | ahh |
| 03:55.21 | utahcon1 | "We need this stamp, and these scissors added to the site..." |
| 03:55.27 | carmony_ | lol |
| 03:55.27 | herlo | the job is intriguing since they're infrastructure is a patchwork of servers all over the place |
| 03:55.41 | herlo | utahcon1: no, just the software, it's digital scrapbooking |
| 03:55.43 | carmony_ | Well, whats worse? Scrapbooking.... or dating? |
| 03:55.43 | brasto | There's one thing holding me back. I can't contract or work for little companies right now. I have to have good benefits. I learned the hard way at GL. If I would have been there when we found my wife's brain tumor, the surgery would have bankrupted me. |
| 03:56.04 | herlo | brasto: yeah, for sure |
| 03:56.12 | brasto | With good insurance I paid very little for the $95,000 surgery. |
| 03:56.24 | brasto | And that was just the doctory's bill |
| 03:56.32 | herlo | yeah |
| 03:56.46 | carmony_ | I think NCR in Utah is hiring... if you don't mind .NET :P |
| 03:56.53 | utahcon1 | I'll pimp my work by dropping this url http://sosstaffing.com/onlineapp go and apply, we'll find you something. |
| 03:57.24 | mrkrow | both very challenging there guys but I worked on a very girly site. http://www.firstandgirl.com I would take a scrapbooking site any day now. But a dating site is debatable. |
| 03:57.37 | brasto | carmony_, tell me a little about NCR. I don't know .net at all, so it probably wont work out, but maybe. |
| 03:57.58 | carmony_ | NCR bought out the company I used to work for |
| 03:58.08 | carmony_ | http://www.ambientauto.com/ |
| 03:58.23 | mrkrow | first and girl is a site that is based on football and the women who follow the players. Stats are "How Hot" they are "Who they date" stuff like that |
| 03:58.34 | carmony_ | LOL |
| 03:58.55 | utahcon1 | mrkrow: I would shoot myself |
| 03:59.41 | utahcon1 | digital scrapbooking... so digital stamps ? |
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| 04:01.21 | utahcon1 | carmony_: you doing the design too? |
| 04:01.26 | utahcon1 | or jsut the backend? |
| 04:01.32 | utahcon1 | s/jsut/just |
| 04:01.37 | mrkrow | carmony_: loving the video. Why do clients like them so much? |
| 04:01.44 | carmony_ | Eh, a little bit of both |
| 04:01.51 | carmony_ | oh, that girl in the bottom? |
| 04:01.53 | utahcon1 | I can't design at all |
| 04:01.54 | carmony_ | I've lost that battle |
| 04:02.07 | carmony_ | The owner is actually pretty good with Photoshop |
| 04:02.12 | carmony_ | so I get pretty good mocks |
| 04:03.01 | utahcon1 | dating by numbers... nice! wish I was single to try that. |
| 04:03.11 | mrkrow | utahcon1: I can't design either. Used to think I could but I suck at it and know that now |
| 04:03.44 | utahcon1 | Everyone I know thinks I am good at it... but I really only do shade of gray and square really well. |
| 04:03.54 | utahcon1 | probably due to me being colorblind :D |
| 04:04.12 | carmony_ | lol |
| 04:05.15 | utahcon1 | oh no! |
| 04:05.27 | utahcon1 | it's all good so long as it matches :d |
| 04:06.30 | utahcon1 | any icing on this cake? |
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| 05:01.01 | wps | what's the plural of status? |
| 05:01.08 | brasto | statii |
| 05:01.12 | brasto | jk, i don't know |
| 05:01.18 | brasto | good question |
| 05:01.29 | brasto | ~wiki status |
| 05:02.52 | brasto | wps, in firefox, type this in the searchbar: plural of |
| 05:02.58 | wps | Meriam Webster says it's statuses |
| 05:02.58 | brasto | you'll see status is number 2 |
| 05:03.28 | brasto | does that mean its the second most frequent search that starts with 'plural of'? |
| 05:04.30 | brasto | ugh, meriam webster uses cgi |
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| 05:20.05 | brasto | wps, I think the join limit is 63 or so. Only 58 more tables to go to reach that limit! |
| 05:20.15 | wps | ha ha |
| 05:20.19 | wps | I've never considered a limit |
| 05:21.27 | brasto | I doubt many people have to consider a limit. It seems by the time you reach 63 tables, there's got to be a better way to design your database. |
| 05:21.42 | brasto | 63 tables in one query, that is |
| 05:21.49 | wps | no kidding |
| 05:28.05 | brasto | alright, last time I looked at cakephp, which was only a few months ago, they were still supporting only php4. PHP has been out for so long that I thought it was so terrible that I didn't take another look. I understand that they are working on a php5 cakephp. Is it a final product yet? |
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| 07:28.50 | mgeary | hey, anyone around? |
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| 16:11.31 | carmony | Good morning :) |
| 16:11.40 | carmony | Nice job on the presentation DexterTheDragon |
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| 16:30.15 | wps | I hate it when people are "working" from home but can't be reached |
| 16:31.02 | wps | I'm all about working from home (I'm doing it right now), but if you are, you should be on IM and/or have a phone handy |
| 16:31.17 | jsmith | wps: Amen! |
| 16:31.49 | jsmith | wps: And you shouldn't hear kids running around in the background saying "Daddy! Daddy! Hurry and get off the phone so we can play some more Wii!" |
| 16:31.59 | wps | exactly |
| 16:34.34 | carmony | I have two types of working from home. From 9-5, I'm as available as if I was in the office |
| 16:35.16 | carmony | or I tell people "I'm going to be away today, so you might or might not catch me." |
| 16:41.27 | wps | do you get paid for the days you're "going to be away?" |
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| 16:52.05 | carmony | Nope |
| 16:52.15 | carmony | on those days i log my hours (Well, I log them every day) |
| 16:52.33 | carmony | but people will know that I'm not readily available |
| 16:59.34 | wps | you aren't getting paid but you're still logging hours? |
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| 17:01.49 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: thanks |
| 17:03.24 | carmony | I only get paid for the hours I log |
| 17:03.41 | wps | ah, are you paid hourly? |
| 17:03.56 | carmony | Salary, but any hours I miss are taken from PT :) |
| 17:04.00 | carmony | Personal Time. |
| 17:04.07 | wps | weird |
| 17:04.34 | carmony | Usually this only comes into play where I say I'm going to take a half day |
| 17:04.57 | DexterTheDragon | your still supposed to work 40 hours a week even if your salaried |
| 17:05.10 | DexterTheDragon | or however many hours |
| 17:05.43 | wps | everywhere I have worked, if I get a major headache and have to leave an hour or two early or if I have a dentist appointmentâ¦Â they don't expect you to make up those hours |
| 17:06.14 | wps | that's part of salaryâ¦Â you work late one night when it's crunch time and you leave early another day when your kid has a soccer game |
| 17:06.42 | carmony | yeah, thats how it is for me really. I guess I'm just honest if I'm just dinking around at home and not billing it ;) |
| 17:07.22 | wps | ah |
| 17:07.46 | carmony | and usually I never have a time doing 40 hours of work a week :) |
| 17:08.02 | carmony | I just highly dislike when people "work from home" but really aren't |
| 17:09.33 | carmony | I think some people can work from home well, and others just can't handle it ;) |
| 17:10.10 | wps | herlo, you here? |
| 17:10.33 | wps | hmmâ¦Â he must be working from home |
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| 17:22.33 | itimber | I'm motivated regardless |
| 17:22.49 | itimber | but I have a wife that is not |
| 17:22.54 | itimber | and young children |
| 17:23.04 | itimber | so, I work in the back office of my main client |
| 17:23.36 | itimber | and even if we stop doing much work together, I would probably still work from this office just to have the separation |
| 17:23.39 | itimber | *shrug |
| 17:24.54 | carmony | I've thought about getting an office |
| 17:28.32 | itimber | carmony: you have a wife that respects the boundaries, and no young kiddos, right? |
| 17:28.42 | itimber | so, it's probably not that big of a deal |
| 17:28.44 | carmony | yup |
| 17:28.57 | itimber | ya |
| 17:29.04 | itimber | I have 3 kids under 6yrs |
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| 17:29.22 | itimber | so, when I'm at home, it's time to play with daddy |
| 17:29.41 | itimber | is tough to explain to kids that young |
| 17:29.52 | itimber | that's the main reason I do it |
| 17:30.52 | itimber | and... I have a super high communication level w/ my main client, cause he's in the other room :) |
| 17:31.09 | itimber | lol |
| 17:31.10 | carmony | see, and I just wonder if sometimes I could focus better away from house distractions |
| 17:31.15 | carmony | like dishes and laundry :P |
| 17:31.34 | itimber | perhaps |
| 17:31.43 | itimber | I use an iPod w/ headphones to focus |
| 17:32.08 | itimber | shut the door, turn up the techno and just crank |
| 17:32.11 | SunSparc | I close my door |
| 17:32.14 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 17:32.32 | itimber | bhu tsi bhu tsi bhu tsi bhu tsi bhu tsi bhu tsi |
| 17:36.51 | carmony | so I really need to thank whoever here introduced me to Jing :P |
| 17:37.10 | carmony | Everyone I work with now uses it |
| 17:37.15 | carmony | and we use it to help document all our bugs |
| 17:37.49 | SunSparc | ~Jing++ |
| 17:38.07 | carmony | I think it was either you SunSparc or may _psychic_ |
| 17:38.09 | carmony | maybe* |
| 17:38.46 | SunSparc | Could be. Someone else here introduced it to me. I think it was wps... |
| 17:38.46 | _psychic_ | me probably |
| 17:38.48 | _psychic_ | Jing rules |
| 17:39.10 | _psychic_ | we also use it to clear up tricky stuff in our products with clients |
| 17:39.10 | wps | +1 for jing |
| 17:39.20 | _psychic_ | just make sure you don't accidentally upload sensitive stuff :) |
| 17:39.32 | carmony | yeah |
| 17:39.48 | carmony | For my wife's work I think I'm going to setup a little wiki and a FTP server for them |
| 17:42.20 | orsonj | Didn't make it home till 1am |
| 17:42.26 | orsonj | well worth it though |
| 17:43.08 | carmony | lol, it was nice having you there orsonj :) |
| 17:43.24 | orsonj | yep, it was fun and interesting |
| 17:45.23 | carmony | although having herlo harrase you in IRC while staring you down was a little unnerving ;) |
| 17:47.30 | SunSparc | My wife made the observation the other day that stalking and voyeurism has become the accepted norm these days due to all the social networks. |
| 17:47.35 | _psychic_ | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480167,00.html |
| 17:49.57 | SunSparc | Tom Hanks was the Executive Producer of Big Love? Interesting... |
| 17:53.30 | SunSparc | I do not understand the blind and tenacious fear of discrimination for the sole sake not being discriminatory. |
| 17:53.41 | SunSparc | We NEED a certain level of discrimination. |
| 17:54.17 | SunSparc | If we did not discriminate against anything, Hilter would ruling the world by now. |
| 17:56.41 | _psychic_ | And all this "tolerance" and "equity" makes everything meaningless. |
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| 17:57.07 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_bi_ge/circuit_city_bankruptcy |
| 17:57.24 | mindjuju | it's not even a reorganization thru bankruptcy, it's liquidation |
| 17:57.40 | mindjuju | course, I never really shopped there before, but still sad to see it go |
| 17:58.35 | fungus | woo hoo, total liquidation means killer clearance sales |
| 17:58.51 | mindjuju | yeah, but they didn't sell computer stuff, i don't think |
| 17:59.01 | mindjuju | i think it was more TVs and cameras |
| 17:59.03 | fungus | Of course they did |
| 17:59.12 | mindjuju | which eminds me, i did buy a camera there a LONG time ago |
| 17:59.37 | eggyknap | I was there a few weeks ago, and one of their register grunts was saying Utah's stores were doing pretty well. |
| 17:59.37 | mindjuju | ALL MUST MAKE MERRY ... - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_re_as/as_china_tibet |
| 18:00.20 | mindjuju | that's crazy, china forcing Tibet to celebrate it's "independence" |
| 18:17.19 | utahcon | I hope the bankruptcy sale is awesome... I could use a new... everything. |
| 18:19.39 | itimber | ~Bose++ |
| 18:19.42 | mindjuju | utahcon, it's good to see ya on here bro |
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| 18:20.28 | orsonj | I got an external WD 250G a while ago and like it. Reasonably small, and no external power required |
| 18:20.35 | wps | bose is the one we want |
| 18:23.27 | utahcon | mindjuju: thanks |
| 18:23.36 | utahcon | I was here last night too, during the meeting |
| 18:24.07 | mindjuju | cool, how did you like the after hours party? |
| 18:24.29 | utahcon | I didn't attend the after hours :( had to get back home |
| 18:24.32 | mindjuju | wait wait, you didn't go, you should of! |
| 18:25.11 | utahcon | was it a good after party? |
| 18:25.26 | mindjuju | i was semi-delirious and giving herlo a hard time |
| 18:25.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:26.35 | utahcon | you'll have to excuse me, I have a TERRIBLE memory. Who are you again? |
| 18:26.59 | mindjuju | guy that started the meeting |
| 18:27.07 | utahcon | I thought so :D |
| 18:27.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:27.22 | herlo | utahcon: which one were you? |
| 18:27.38 | utahcon | I was that good looking guy in the crowd :D |
| 18:27.44 | itimber | orsonj: what brand? |
| 18:28.03 | utahcon | I was sitting right behind the presenter. |
| 18:28.14 | herlo | utahcon: that's scary |
| 18:28.28 | herlo | utahcon: because I am *the* *only* good looking guy in that group |
| 18:28.29 | mindjuju | herlo, just to the left of carmony if i recall |
| 18:28.33 | mindjuju | from where you were sitting |
| 18:28.38 | itimber | anyone record the presentation for us slackers? |
| 18:28.52 | utahcon | I was two from carmony, |
| 18:28.55 | herlo | itimber: mindjuju did |
| 18:29.01 | utahcon | mrkrow was between us |
| 18:29.04 | itimber | ~mindjuju++ |
| 18:29.19 | itimber | we should setup an iTunes Podcast for those presentations |
| 18:29.30 | itimber | would probably drive users |
| 18:29.48 | itimber | I'll volunteer bandwidth |
| 18:30.16 | itimber | :) |
| 18:30.30 | itimber | I run my own gig.... and have 3 servers to my name |
| 18:30.37 | utahcon | nice |
| 18:31.01 | itimber | started in 3-2001 |
| 18:31.22 | utahcon | and that gig is called? |
| 18:31.34 | itimber | went full time in 03 or 04 as I recall |
| 18:31.40 | itimber | Humphrey Inc. |
| 18:31.43 | itimber | :) |
| 18:32.15 | itimber | non descriptive huh |
| 18:32.37 | itimber | I just do web-dev for a handful of clients |
| 18:32.44 | itimber | that's it |
| 18:33.01 | itimber | inventory, order entry, accounting, logistics, etc |
| 18:33.16 | itimber | and tons of reports |
| 18:33.26 | utahcon | LOL - I was googling... coming up with some weird results. |
| 18:33.27 | itimber | :/ |
| 18:33.34 | itimber | I bet |
| 18:33.37 | itimber | I don't advertise |
| 18:33.41 | itimber | my site is huminc.com |
| 18:33.42 | itimber | LOL |
| 18:34.18 | utahcon | I run Utahcon.com... really nothing more than me praising companies that are willing to send me products for review. |
| 18:34.51 | itimber | will check it out |
| 18:35.39 | utahcon | Thanks, that would be cool. |
| 18:35.58 | utahcon | During the days however I am a developer for SOS Staffing... fungus sits on the other side of the room. |
| 18:36.18 | orsonj | itimber: http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-WDXMS2500TN-Passport-Portable/dp/B000RY2PLQ |
| 18:36.40 | utahcon | those passports are nice |
| 18:36.47 | orsonj | There is also a 320G version that doesn't use an external power source |
| 18:36.50 | utahcon | I liked them better when they had the notches for stacking them |
| 18:37.12 | orsonj | The larger versions required an external power source when I last looked at them. |
| 18:39.36 | itimber | anyone have feedback on this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148356 |
| 18:39.43 | utahcon | there should never be shame associated with pimping your wares |
| 18:39.47 | itimber | orsonj: 1TB, less $$ |
| 18:40.33 | orsonj | I just picked one that showed the name and what it looked like |
| 18:41.54 | itimber | no man, that's cool.... I had one of those in my cart before stumbling upon this 1TB drive |
| 18:42.02 | itimber | so, was asking |
| 18:42.18 | orsonj | Well, there was a link just below it for the same thing at $80 |
| 18:42.38 | orsonj | but $20 more for 4x the capacity |
| 18:43.21 | itimber | fo sho |
| 18:43.30 | orsonj | I just don't know if there are any 1T external drives that require an additional power source. If you are just going to leave it on your desk, no biggie, but if you carry it around in your laptop bag, it makes a difference. |
| 18:43.38 | carmony | utahcon, you're a Microsoft Fanboy? :P |
| 18:43.48 | itimber | ya, hmm |
| 18:44.40 | utahcon | from time to time I certainly am. |
| 18:46.51 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:47.20 | itimber | data sheet shows a power supply in the box.... so, not USB powered |
| 18:47.27 | itimber | :( |
| 18:49.48 | orsonj | http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Passport-Essential-WDME3200TN/dp/B0012GQZZU/ref=dp_ob_title_ce |
| 18:49.58 | orsonj | There is the 320G at $90 |
| 18:50.26 | wps | why would you buy 320G for $90 when you can get 1TB for $100 ? |
| 18:50.37 | wps | I guess itimber was wanting portability |
| 18:51.38 | itimber | ya.... portability is key |
| 18:51.42 | itimber | on a laptop |
| 18:52.29 | itimber | as mgeary can attest, I'm hardly ever in the office |
| 18:52.30 | itimber | :) |
| 18:52.45 | itimber | actually, it's about 50/50 right now |
| 18:54.54 | orsonj | tough choice. 1T is a lot of drive space, but the 1T drive takes up 3 times more space in your bag |
| 18:55.23 | wps | O |
| 18:56.16 | wps | I am planning on replacing my two internal ~300 GB drives with 1 TB models shortly |
| 18:56.33 | wps | I wanted to go 1.5 TB, but the Seagates are failing left and right |
| 18:58.12 | herlo | wps: seagates aren't where it's at, go WD |
| 18:59.00 | wps | I have always been a Maxtor man, but I haven't purchased since the acquisition |
| 18:59.09 | wps | so I have been wondering if I should do Seagate or WD |
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| 18:59.22 | wps | I have heard great things about WD⦠I'll probably go that route |
| 18:59.29 | carmony | IS twitter slow for anyone else today? |
| 18:59.54 | orsonj | Twitter has yet to load for me |
| 19:00.06 | orsonj | (ok, I haven't even tried, but it hasn't loaded) |
| 19:01.17 | wps | did you guys hear about the Burger King MySpace campaign? |
| 19:01.29 | orsonj | we talked about it last night over dinner |
| 19:01.33 | wps | oops: I mean facebook |
| 19:01.46 | wps | BK was giving a free burger away for each friend you would drop from your friend list |
| 19:01.59 | wps | Facebook got pissed and got BK to stop the campaign |
| 19:02.10 | wps | (correction: each ten friends) |
| 19:02.10 | orsonj | heh, didn't hear that part |
| 19:02.31 | SunSparc | Yep, I got sacrificed for a burger. |
| 19:02.37 | SunSparc | Funny |
| 19:02.49 | wps | and when you dropped the ten friends, each of those friends would receive a notification that their friend dropped them because they valued a hamburger more than their friendship |
| 19:03.07 | SunSparc | I did not get a notice |
| 19:03.28 | SunSparc | I just watched as my friend used the BK app to burn me. |
| 19:08.55 | mindjuju | yeah, i roasted 10 friends |
| 19:08.57 | mindjuju | good times |
| 19:09.20 | utahcon | I missed that free burger thing... damn. |
| 19:09.23 | mindjuju | actually, itimber was a person who got roasted |
| 19:09.27 | utahcon | I would have burned all my friends. |
| 19:09.28 | orsonj | That might be worth logging into facebook for a second time. I'm not sure I have 10 friends to burn though. |
| 19:09.28 | mindjuju | and so was poeticintensity |
| 19:09.42 | itimber | was wondering what happened |
| 19:09.43 | itimber | LOL |
| 19:09.51 | utahcon | you could reburn the same friends too |
| 19:09.56 | mindjuju | what did it tell ya about me not being your friend anymore |
| 19:10.03 | utahcon | so you could team up and burn and refriend for more burgers. |
| 19:10.06 | mindjuju | did it say i valued the whopper over our friendshiph? |
| 19:10.12 | itimber | nope |
| 19:10.19 | itimber | nada |
| 19:10.29 | mindjuju | that's a bummer |
| 19:10.34 | itimber | yep |
| 19:11.11 | itimber | I wouldn't have minded if it was in pursuit of a BK Wopper |
| 19:11.20 | itimber | but to just get dropped |
| 19:11.22 | itimber | :/ |
| 19:11.37 | itimber | hehe |
| 19:17.50 | mindjuju | you still around carmony? |
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| 19:59.10 | herlo | mindjuju: lol |
| 19:59.24 | jsmith | ~stab herlo |
| 19:59.25 | jbot | ACTION runs at herlo with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:59.31 | herlo | ~beat jsmith |
| 19:59.31 | jbot | ACTION beats jsmith with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 19:59.40 | jsmith | ~slam herlo |
| 19:59.41 | jbot | ACTION slams herlo against a large cement Tux |
| 19:59.41 | herlo | ~whallop jsmith |
| 19:59.42 | jbot | ACTION gets her boyfriend herlo to whallop jsmith until jsmith whimpers like a little girl! |
| 20:03.59 | mindjuju | my comp went down for like 5 min |
| 20:04.24 | herlo | mindjuju: BK comment |
| 20:04.29 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:05.48 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:11.59 | _psychic_ | olds: ping |
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| 20:34.30 | utahcon | mindjuju: I know how to solve those Microsoft problems. |
| 20:38.08 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 20:38.08 | jbot | executes killall -KILL macnewbold |
| 20:42.26 | mindjuju | any PERL writers in the house |
| 20:44.28 | utahcon | I write perl poorly |
| 20:44.36 | mindjuju | looking for employment, that is |
| 20:44.42 | utahcon | oh nope. |
| 20:44.56 | mindjuju | they are looking for a senior PERL writer |
| 20:45.07 | mindjuju | i only know of one, i sohuld see if he's interested |
| 20:55.10 | macnewbold | ~lart carmony |
| 20:55.10 | jbot | resizes carmony's terminal to 40x24 |
| 20:55.14 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 20:59.09 | carmony | ouch is right |
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| 21:03.27 | beandog | how was the meeting |
| 21:03.50 | beandog | did it explode into a ball of pure energy awesomeness? |
| 21:04.04 | mindjuju | meeting was awesomeness |
| 21:04.14 | mindjuju | first dexterthedragon was presenting and that went well |
| 21:04.27 | mindjuju | then we did Ultimate Fighting with Utahcon kicking everybody's butt |
| 21:04.31 | mindjuju | then we went to Applebees |
| 21:04.34 | mindjuju | that's about it |
| 21:05.15 | beandog | ah man. |
| 21:05.19 | beandog | I forgot about the dinner part. |
| 21:05.25 | beandog | I couldnt make it, either way, was working late last night. |
| 21:05.27 | beandog | :( |
| 21:05.47 | mindjuju | yeah, that ultimate fighting is hard stuff |
| 21:08.26 | mindjuju | cause of the ultimate fighting matches |
| 21:08.44 | mindjuju | carmony must have been dropped harder on his head than i thought |
| 21:08.59 | carmony | lol |
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| 21:25.42 | thebigdog | finally back in business with my laptop |
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| 21:27.37 | utahcon | can you ~lart a laptop? |
| 21:28.19 | mindjuju | ~lart thebigdog's laptop |
| 21:28.19 | jbot | whips thebigdog's laptop with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 21:28.29 | utahcon | I guess so |
| 21:28.31 | thebigdog | im kinda pissed off out it |
| 21:28.43 | utahcon | what is the problem with your lappy? |
| 21:29.08 | thebigdog | i have an asus laptop that rocks |
| 21:29.14 | thebigdog | had 2g in it and upgraded it to 4g |
| 21:29.34 | thebigdog | i run ubuntu on it and nvidia has huge issues with 4g ram and their cards |
| 21:29.54 | thebigdog | i had 8.04 on it and could not the video to load at all |
| 21:30.05 | thebigdog | so i had to gpart the drive and shove 8.10 in another partion |
| 21:30.32 | beandog | so its really ubuntu's fault |
| 21:30.33 | beandog | ;) |
| 21:30.39 | beandog | or nvidia's |
| 21:30.44 | thebigdog | nvidia |
| 21:30.44 | beandog | is more likely. |
| 21:30.48 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:30.54 | thebigdog | the proprietry drive |
| 21:32.35 | beandog | mine has Intel |
| 21:32.41 | beandog | oss glx, woots. |
| 21:33.31 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:33.41 | thebigdog | i think the next one i get is either ati or intel |
| 21:33.50 | thebigdog | but it is nice to have 4g or ram |
| 21:33.58 | thebigdog | i can run vbox now without issues |
| 21:39.04 | thebigdog | anyone now if you do gmail with pop3 if it removes those emails from the web interface? |
| 21:39.16 | wps | you get to decide |
| 21:39.29 | wps | there are options for archive, delete, or do nothing in the preferences |
| 21:39.57 | wps | I'd find another email provider than Gmail thoughâ¦Â Gmail sucks |
| 21:40.43 | beandog | gmail \o/ |
| 21:40.48 | beandog | thou shalt not speak evil of gmail. |
| 21:40.57 | utahcon | I have never had problems with Gmail. |
| 21:41.10 | wps | I'm not referring to performance or uptime |
| 21:41.45 | utahcon | what are you referring to then? That they are part of the Google? |
| 21:42.02 | thebigdog | their performance i think sucks |
| 21:42.15 | thebigdog | but i still have to use it unfortunately |
| 21:42.34 | wps | one moment, please |
| 21:43.29 | beandog | I just like it because it catches spam. |
| 21:43.32 | beandog | effectively. |
| 21:43.49 | thebigdog | i love spamassassin for that stuff |
| 21:43.54 | utahcon | I like it for lots of reasons. |
| 21:44.12 | beandog | thebigdog, meh, too much effort to setup. |
| 21:44.17 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:44.24 | thebigdog | setup once and run everything through it |
| 21:44.32 | thebigdog | i have used the same rules and such for years |
| 21:44.51 | utahcon | that's a deal |
| 21:45.07 | thebigdog | i have been using djdns lately too now that is a nice app |
| 21:45.57 | wps | things I hate about Gmail: |
| 21:46.19 | wps | 1. non-standard implementation of IMAP protocol that most clients don't know how to work with |
| 21:46.25 | wps | 2. labeling instead of folders |
| 21:46.36 | wps | 3. the "all mail" directory |
| 21:46.43 | wps | 4. the web interface sucks |
| 21:46.52 | wps | 5. you don't get a copy of your own message when posting to mailing lists |
| 21:47.00 | wps | 6. the way it threads and archives |
| 21:47.10 | wps | 7. how it automatically puts a copy of sent messages into the sent folder ('label') instead of letting your client do it |
| 21:47.17 | wps | </list> |
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| 21:47.29 | utahcon | so you hate all the "features" |
| 21:47.31 | utahcon | that is cool. |
| 21:47.50 | beandog | wps, wow, youve obviously thought about this |
| 21:47.57 | wps | LONG and HARD :) |
| 21:48.32 | beandog | wps, you forgot one -- if you send an email using web client, it will download a copy in pop3 |
| 21:48.32 | wps | enough that I transferred all of my mail off of it two weeks ago and started paying for email |
| 21:48.32 | fungus | LOL, those are most of the reasons I *love* gmail. |
| 21:48.32 | wps | I used to say that you can't beat free, but I've changed my mind |
| 21:48.42 | beandog | now I just beat kittens. |
| 21:48.46 | wps | great addition to my list, beandog |
| 21:49.17 | utahcon | I love Gmail so much I setup all my domains on Google Apps to have those features. |
| 21:49.20 | utahcon | To each their own though |
| 21:49.29 | wps | yup |
| 21:49.37 | wps | it works for some, but I think it's crap |
| 21:49.49 | beandog | I just use the web interface to read new mail |
| 21:49.53 | beandog | I do all my organizing with tbird. |
| 21:49.58 | wps | I put up with it for a year because of the spam filtering, but decided I'd had enough |
| 21:54.16 | fungus | I migrated all but one of my domains to google apps too. |
| 21:54.44 | fungus | I left one domain out to do my dynamic expiring email addresses for registrations and stuff |
| 22:10.00 | orsonj | about half are work accounts though. |
| 22:11.02 | beandog | man |
| 22:11.04 | beandog | I am out of steam. |
| 22:11.05 | beandog | -_- |
| 22:12.31 | beandog | orsonj, youre obviously working too much if you have that many accts |
| 22:15.20 | fungus | What's wrong with forwards? |
| 22:15.53 | fungus | I have 2 mailboxes, Home and Work. All email addresses forward to one or the other. |
| 22:16.05 | wps | same for me, fungus |
| 22:16.49 | fungus | Even the 1 address that doesn't let me forward, I use fetchmail to pull mail out and forward to a real mailbox. |
| 22:17.41 | orsonj | I just have thunderbird pull all of them to my computer |
| 22:18.04 | orsonj | One program, no web interfaces |
| 22:18.16 | fungus | Yikes, even worse, storing email locally. Do you have good backups? |
| 22:18.25 | fungus | Don't you ever use other computers? |
| 22:18.48 | orsonj | I use IMAP, one copy on the server, one copy on my computer |
| 22:19.12 | orsonj | I use different computers all the time |
| 22:19.23 | orsonj | ~IMAP++ |
| 22:19.31 | wps | I'm not very concerned about backops for emailâ¦Â I don't keep any mail longer than 30 days |
| 22:20.20 | fungus | Well, you have a point. I guess that was my sysadmin experience talking. |
| 22:20.33 | fungus | Most people freak if they lose email. |
| 22:20.55 | wps | trueâ¦Â which I think is crazy |
| 22:21.04 | wps | I can't believe how people use Outlook |
| 22:21.15 | wps | hundreds of folders and mail going back years and years |
| 22:21.20 | fungus | Right, especially since outlook stores it all in a single PST file |
| 22:21.23 | wps | they use it as their entire life hub |
| 22:21.39 | fungus | One that has a tendency to corrupt |
| 22:21.54 | wps | where's that file? oh, let me dig back through my _email_ client to find that _file_ |
| 22:22.05 | fungus | lol, that too |
| 22:22.12 | wps | you don't keep your snailmail in your mailbox |
| 22:23.13 | wps | no, you check it daily, empty the box completely, sort it, discard the junkmail, take action on items that need action, reply to things that need replies, and then file important things that need to be saved |
| 22:23.35 | fungus | sound like wps is a GTD junkie |
| 22:23.53 | wps | no, but I am an A/red in many ways |
| 22:23.57 | wps | once againâ¦Â to each his own |
| 22:24.10 | wps | but I just laugh watching people digging through their email clients trying to find things |
| 22:24.50 | fungus | I just get annoyed when my backup system has to backup a 5G PST file every single night |
| 22:25.17 | fungus | Multiply that by hundreds of users too. :( |
| 22:27.18 | orsonj | ~rsync++ |
| 22:27.31 | orsonj | that just saved me 10 minutes |
| 22:29.22 | fungus | I'm stuck on IBM's Tivoli stuff. It has to transfer entire files, not near as cool as rsync. |
| 22:30.04 | fungus | But... It does handle restorations, tape archiving, reporting, scheduling, etc all so easy. |
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| 22:39.28 | carmony | I personally think the best email client is Mail.app |
| 22:43.44 | _psychic_ | best, but it still sucks |
| 22:43.50 | _psychic_ | Been having problems with it lately. |
| 22:45.19 | wps | why in the world does IE display a tab when you only have one open? |
| 22:46.33 | beandog | heh |
| 22:46.49 | orsonj | I actually prefer that behavior, not the browser though. |
| 22:46.50 | wps | please tell me there is a way to change this behavior |
| 22:46.51 | beandog | they want to show off their first new IE feature in 8 years. |
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| 22:47.38 | orsonj | Install firefox, install ietab, done! |
| 22:49.18 | beandog | install linux, done! |
| 22:49.21 | wps | IE Tab is not available for MacOSX. |
| 22:49.22 | wps | :( |
| 22:51.04 | orsonj | IE7 is? |
| 22:51.29 | beandog | does anyone have Monday off? |
| 22:51.35 | wps | i do |
| 22:51.36 | orsonj | I think I do |
| 22:52.14 | orsonj | I'll probably spend most of the day doing work for another job |
| 22:53.00 | wps | that's what I'll be doing |
| 22:53.08 | wps | :( |
| 22:53.28 | beandog | alrighties |
| 22:53.30 | beandog | Im going *home* |
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| 23:13.12 | orsonj | I just realized that I replaced an Access database with a CSV on the site I'm working on. (Went from Access -> no db -> csv file, so I didn't realize it before) |
| 23:13.15 | orsonj | "I'd rather use a csv file than an Access database" <-- I said this last night |
| 23:13.47 | orsonj | Didn't think of it that way till just now |
| 23:14.19 | orsonj | I said it and it was funny, but I actually do. |
| 23:14.39 | wps | I have about had it with IE-only web applications |
| 23:15.54 | orsonj | It's even worse when the IE-only web application doesn't even work in IE |
| 23:16.13 | orsonj | (My bank's bill payer) |
| 23:25.52 | thebigdog | orsonj, why not use sqlite |
| 23:27.39 | orsonj | .asp |
| 23:27.57 | thebigdog | i thought they had bindings for it already |
| 23:28.27 | orsonj | perhaps, but text works better for this particular situation |
| 23:29.05 | orsonj | It is fairly simple and is read only, hand edits are easier than writing an interface for it. |
| 23:30.17 | orsonj | Rather than writing an interface, I taught someone how to edit a text file and use ftp. They are better for it. |
| 23:31.09 | thebigdog | hehe |
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