| 00:01.07 | mgeary | in syntax only |
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| 00:13.14 | Utah_Dave | We just got in a bunch of HP ProCurve switches. It's our first foray into HP switches |
| 00:13.22 | Utah_Dave | so far they seem pretty nice |
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| 00:23.15 | mgeary | hey fungus, want to help me debug this ssl cert issue now? |
| 00:28.40 | mgeary | bah. it's not seeing the new expiration date on my new cert. |
| 00:28.50 | mgeary | something's definitely messed up |
| 00:29.18 | dataw0lf | actionscript != javascript |
| 00:33.57 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 00:52.25 | mgeary | psh. |
| 00:52.46 | mgeary | "just one dang more browser to test on" |
| 00:53.01 | beandog | it's been pretty nice so far |
| 00:53.05 | beandog | I'm not sold on the UI |
| 00:53.06 | fungus | mgeary: sure, how's it working now? |
| 00:53.14 | beandog | but it renders everything just fine |
| 00:53.15 | mgeary | fungus: it's not |
| 00:53.21 | fungus | doh |
| 00:53.24 | mgeary | fungus: i'll PM you, if that's alright |
| 00:53.29 | fungus | sure |
| 00:53.53 | beandog | although I could really do without Safari on Windows. |
| 01:02.00 | mgeary | we don't officially support Safari on Windows |
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| 01:17.26 | beandog | how long does meat have to sit out before it goes bad |
| 01:17.50 | fungus | It goes bad the minute it's removed from the corpse. |
| 01:17.52 | fungus | :) |
| 01:18.03 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 01:18.34 | beandog | heh |
| 01:20.33 | mgeary | fungus prefers to eat his meat while still on the corpse |
| 01:21.27 | fungus | eww |
| 01:24.27 | mgeary | hey, i'm just trying to interpret your comments |
| 01:25.02 | beandog | he's a vegetarian |
| 01:25.35 | fungus | Mmm, they have great veggie burgers |
| 01:25.42 | beandog | really? |
| 01:25.49 | fungus | yup |
| 01:25.54 | beandog | buh |
| 01:25.58 | fungus | imagine a better tasting whopper |
| 01:26.03 | beandog | well thats not hard. |
| 01:26.40 | mgeary | hahah. indeed |
| 01:27.37 | fungus | hrm, speaking of moonlighting, It looks like it's time to move to job #2, WoW. |
| 01:28.17 | fungus | TTFN |
| 01:28.27 | beandog | lates |
| 01:33.11 | mgeary | hah |
| 01:33.21 | mgeary | here's a tip |
| 01:33.30 | mgeary | call your credit card company and ask them for a better interest rate |
| 01:33.43 | mgeary | i just got Amex to take 1.1 percent off my card rate |
| 01:33.48 | mgeary | just for asking |
| 01:34.03 | thebigdog | yeah they are pretty good at doing that |
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| 01:46.37 | beandog | *why* doesnt mysql display the views the way you created them |
| 01:46.47 | beandog | psql > mysql, yet again. |
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| 01:58.11 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 01:58.12 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 01:58.53 | beandog | nobody deserves it more |
| 01:59.03 | Utah_Dave | :) |
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| 04:53.17 | orsonj | maybe it's settled down now |
| 05:10.41 | orsonj | odd, if I connect through a secondary computer it works better |
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| 16:23.55 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 16:25.17 | Utah_Dave | morning, mindjuju! |
| 16:25.52 | jsmith | Morning all |
| 16:26.08 | mindjuju | how are things utah_dave? |
| 16:26.12 | mindjuju | what up jsmith |
| 16:31.22 | jsmith | mindjuju: Ugh... just fighting Monday number two... |
| 16:31.58 | mindjuju | know the feeling |
| 16:32.16 | mindjuju | i was actually out yesterday with a hurt back, so i'm playing double catch up |
| 16:34.59 | jsmith | Well, I was out last week, so I'm in up to my eyeballs this week |
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| 16:55.14 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 16:55.14 | jbot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking josephscott's head off |
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| 17:03.10 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 17:03.12 | jbot | takes out cycokilr with the trash |
| 17:03.51 | cycokilr | sheesh |
| 17:09.47 | mindjuju | yeah, what up with all the violence? |
| 17:10.24 | dataw0lf | stop the hate, child! |
| 17:10.34 | mindjuju | hateful hate even |
| 17:10.44 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: just trying to get an HP switch to play with a cisco switch. :( |
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| 17:35.18 | itimber | morning guys |
| 17:38.01 | mindjuju | morning |
| 17:42.23 | beandog | buenos |
| 17:43.47 | mgeary | hey, so it appears that a <input type='file'> doesn't call onChange when it is pointed to a file. Does anyone know what event could be caught for that? I'd like a mini-form to auto submit when a file is selected. |
| 17:45.53 | mindjuju | for security reasons, i don't think anything works with type=file |
| 17:48.17 | mgeary | actually |
| 17:48.28 | mgeary | it appears that it works fine, though for some reason self.form returns undefined |
| 17:48.36 | mgeary | but document.forms[0] works... |
| 17:48.39 | mindjuju | really? |
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| 17:49.06 | mindjuju | i thought you couldn't touch it, like insert file name c:\autoexec.bat |
| 17:49.07 | mindjuju | etc |
| 17:49.15 | mgeary | well |
| 17:49.22 | mgeary | i'm not doing that, so i wouldn't know |
| 17:49.30 | mgeary | i just want it to auto-submit the form when a file IS selected |
| 17:49.35 | mgeary | not trying to set a value |
| 17:49.53 | mgeary | and for what i'm doing it works ducky |
| 17:56.52 | mindjuju | looks like SCO has pulled a freddy kruger and is both alive and well enough to haunt again - http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_11416203 |
| 17:57.38 | beandog | ~hail sco |
| 17:57.38 | jbot | ACTION bows down to sco and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 17:57.44 | beandog | you have to admire them for their tenacity |
| 17:58.28 | mindjuju | i don't think that's tenacity, i think it's Ahab (from moby dick) level obession |
| 17:58.39 | mindjuju | or Khan level obession |
| 17:58.53 | mindjuju | the ole "from hell's heart i stab at thee" |
| 17:59.35 | beandog | heh |
| 17:59.38 | mindjuju | and i do know that's a quote from moby dick quoted by khan |
| 17:59.47 | mindjuju | it's creepy though |
| 18:00.51 | beandog | ah well |
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| 18:17.25 | tierra | not only will I not be able to make it to this thursday's meeting, but I won't be making it to my Dad's birthday on the same day, heh |
| 18:18.09 | tierra | man I've started off this new year keeping busy |
| 18:18.37 | mindjuju | that's a bummer! |
| 18:25.28 | josephscott | is there a download link for Windows 7 that actually works? |
| 18:26.02 | synic | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx |
| 18:26.07 | mindjuju | i posted one in here last week, does that not work? |
| 18:26.14 | mindjuju | ah cool synic, thx |
| 18:26.21 | mindjuju | got mine off of MSDN |
| 18:26.42 | beandog | mindjuju, we dont wanna hear about your warez networks here |
| 18:27.23 | mindjuju | yeah, i get all my 80's cartoons from a flaw i found in beandog's firewall |
| 18:27.35 | beandog | I dont even have a firewall. |
| 18:27.46 | josephscott | dear MS, please learn to use clean URLs and don't block Safari access |
| 18:27.47 | mindjuju | well, i didn't want to tell everybody that |
| 18:27.49 | mindjuju | but you can |
| 18:28.11 | beandog | whats the point if you only have two services listening remotely, that I want to listen remotely. |
| 18:28.31 | josephscott | UG!!!! they resized by browser window too! |
| 18:29.23 | mindjuju | josephscott - how was vegas? |
| 18:29.53 | josephscott | conference was good, vegas is way too smokey though |
| 18:31.19 | josephscott | akamai download java applet?! Can they make this process any more painful? |
| 18:31.34 | mindjuju | you're kidding |
| 18:31.39 | beandog | heh |
| 18:31.44 | beandog | thats just classic. |
| 18:31.57 | mindjuju | of course though, i heard that "there were more downloads than they could handle" |
| 18:32.12 | mindjuju | maybe i've watched too much x-files, but i think that's a ploy |
| 18:32.25 | mindjuju | Wow! it's so popular, everybody wants to see... |
| 18:32.36 | mindjuju | it drips of reverse psychology |
| 18:32.55 | josephscott | or really poor capacity planning |
| 18:33.18 | mindjuju | and with the latest barrage of slight spin articles on digg, i think they hope to turn negative perspective around |
| 18:33.45 | mindjuju | there was an article on digg saying winders7 was THE linux killer |
| 18:33.55 | beandog | oh gosh. |
| 18:34.02 | beandog | that'll be the day. |
| 18:34.05 | mindjuju | and another of some dude saying he tried Ubuntu 8 and was too confused and went back to winders |
| 18:34.34 | mindjuju | i write it down as more subtle marketing |
| 18:35.40 | beandog | "I tried something new, but it was too confusing. God forbid I expand my brain, so I'll go back to what I was mindlessly using before." |
| 18:35.59 | mindjuju | beanddog, it wasn't even like that it was worse |
| 18:36.06 | beandog | eh |
| 18:36.12 | mindjuju | they were like, yeah, i got stuck on compfiz and there were all these things |
| 18:36.12 | beandog | Ive seen the stories countless times. They are all the same. |
| 18:36.19 | mindjuju | and i couldn't get wireless to work |
| 18:36.52 | mindjuju | it's like, dude, .01% of total n00bs actually get to compfiz, in their first week |
| 18:37.35 | mindjuju | sounded more like rewash of complaints from blogs |
| 18:38.37 | beandog | personally, I dont care if people switch to linux or not. Choose what works best for you. |
| 18:38.48 | beandog | what I *really* want is easy compatiblity between operating systems. |
| 18:38.57 | mgeary | shouldn't export make a variable available in a sudo context? |
| 18:39.02 | beandog | and that's a vendor / developer issue. |
| 18:39.25 | beandog | mgeary, hmm, no, because sudo would be the new user's settings |
| 18:39.32 | mgeary | so how do you do it? |
| 18:39.34 | beandog | export would be just yours |
| 18:39.37 | mgeary | 'cause you can't do sudo export |
| 18:39.56 | beandog | try sudo FOO=bar cmd? |
| 18:40.32 | mgeary | nope |
| 18:40.38 | beandog | poo |
| 18:41.01 | mgeary | just doing it as root |
| 18:41.18 | mgeary | i'm trying to install a pecl extension. It's giving me this error: |
| 18:41.25 | mgeary | Cannot find autoconf. Please check your autoconf installation and the $PHP_AUTOCONF |
| 18:41.25 | mgeary | environment variable is set correctly and then rerun this script. |
| 18:41.45 | mgeary | based on some googling, i set PHP_AUTOCONF to autoconf |
| 18:42.07 | beandog | do you have autoconf installed? |
| 18:42.09 | dataw0lf | autotools brrrrrrrr |
| 18:42.15 | mgeary | ? |
| 18:42.16 | beandog | dataw0lf, srsly. |
| 18:42.17 | mgeary | dataw0lf: ? |
| 18:42.31 | beandog | autotools = the bane of the modern packaging world |
| 18:42.33 | mgeary | frankly, i don't know what autoconf is |
| 18:42.34 | dataw0lf | it's just grand wizardry when you do some complex autotools hackery. |
| 18:42.52 | beandog | or so I hear. |
| 18:43.24 | dataw0lf | it's for configuring source code to a variety of platforms. Mostly platform dependent compiled languages (C, C++, etc) |
| 18:43.46 | dataw0lf | trust me, you don't want to know anymore. |
| 18:43.59 | beandog | mgeary, Id make sure you have it installed |
| 18:44.04 | beandog | autoconf, automake |
| 18:44.45 | mgeary | doh |
| 18:44.46 | mgeary | that's right |
| 18:44.57 | mgeary | for this machine i don't have dev tools installed |
| 18:44.58 | mgeary | bah |
| 18:47.51 | mgeary | double bah, it won't compile on OS X |
| 18:48.18 | beandog | auto* or php stuff |
| 18:48.25 | mgeary | the pecl extension |
| 18:48.30 | mgeary | it configures alright, but make fails |
| 18:48.31 | beandog | which extension |
| 18:48.36 | mgeary | tidy |
| 18:48.43 | beandog | hmm |
| 18:48.46 | beandog | you have tidy-devel installed? |
| 18:48.53 | mgeary | ^^ this is OS X ;) |
| 18:48.56 | beandog | or whatever it is |
| 18:48.58 | mgeary | so, no |
| 18:48.58 | beandog | so? |
| 18:49.02 | beandog | oh well |
| 18:49.06 | mgeary | not using any ports/packages |
| 18:49.12 | mgeary | this is old school :) |
| 18:49.24 | mgeary | fergit it, i'm just gonna do what i need in python with BeautifulSoup |
| 18:49.33 | beandog | heh |
| 18:49.40 | beandog | I hate installing PECL packages |
| 18:49.43 | beandog | It almost *never* works |
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| 19:27.41 | fungus | mgeary: autoconf and the rest of the building tools come as part of the Xcode package |
| 19:27.45 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:27.53 | mgeary | i realized that i didn't have dev tools on that machine |
| 19:28.04 | mgeary | i've been building on my laptop, and keeping /usr/local in synch |
| 19:28.17 | mgeary | but pecl tidy still doesn't compile on OS X, apparently |
| 19:28.23 | mgeary | so i've given up on that |
| 19:28.27 | fungus | ahh, ok |
| 19:44.57 | beandog | you gave up on os x? |
| 19:45.55 | mgeary | heh |
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| 20:42.12 | SunSparc | ~karma osx |
| 20:42.12 | jbot | osx has karma of 1 |
| 20:42.17 | SunSparc | ~karma os x |
| 20:42.17 | jbot | os x has neutral karma |
| 20:42.38 | SunSparc | ~karma your momma |
| 20:42.38 | jbot | your momma has neutral karma |
| 20:42.48 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:04.42 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 21:04.43 | jbot | shoves a crumpet down macnewbold's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 21:04.52 | macnewbold | ~lart mgeary |
| 21:04.52 | jbot | tries to shut mgeary up |
| 21:04.56 | mgeary | psh |
| 21:05.00 | mgeary | good luck, jbot |
| 21:05.42 | mindjuju | with tea? |
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| 21:28.17 | dataw0lf | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5505390.ece |
| 21:40.02 | _psychic_ | Anyone created PPT on the fly before? |
| 21:41.04 | dataw0lf | Nope, sounds interesting though. Probably have to use COM. |
| 21:41.26 | _psychic_ | Ugh |
| 21:41.34 | _psychic_ | any war article is depressing |
| 21:49.44 | unum | I've done xls with php but not ppt |
| 21:49.57 | dataw0lf | XLS is pretty easy though. |
| 21:50.24 | unum | ya there are nice libraries for it |
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| 21:58.45 | carmony_ | ppt? |
| 21:59.24 | dataw0lf | powerpoint |
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| 22:17.52 | mindjuju | sup PoeticIntensity |
| 22:19.00 | unum | so lets say you had to output the date in epoch _days_ and you're using postgresql and php, how would you do it? |
| 22:19.06 | PoeticIntensity | not much, mindjuju |
| 22:19.16 | PoeticIntensity | just decided to pop in.... see what the scene is... |
| 22:19.34 | mindjuju | @PoeticIntensity - sorry i sacrificed our facebook friendship for a BK whopper, had to do bro |
| 22:19.38 | unum | maybe it's julian days..... |
| 22:19.41 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 22:19.47 | PoeticIntensity | awesome.... I would have done the same |
| 22:20.02 | PoeticIntensity | unum, PHP has some pretty powerful date manipulation functions... |
| 22:20.14 | PoeticIntensity | not sure why you would need a db to output the date in epoch days... |
| 22:20.22 | unum | PoeticIntensity: ya I was hoping to do it with postgres |
| 22:20.29 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 22:20.44 | unum | I see it has Julian Days. I wonder if that's actually what I'm supposed to be using |
| 22:20.50 | unum | it's some quatro pro thing |
| 22:32.28 | unum | 0 is dec 30 1899 |
| 22:34.48 | fungus | Julian days resets every year |
| 22:36.15 | unum | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/functions-formatting.html |
| 22:36.18 | unum | not according to postgres |
| 22:36.45 | unum | so I could just subtract the correct number of days.... |
| 22:37.26 | fungus | That day you got is the Microsoft COM Date |
| 22:37.31 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(reference_date)#Notable_epoch_dates_in_computing |
| 22:38.39 | unum | fungus: thank you, I was having a hard time finding that |
| 22:42.34 | unum | hmm still looks like I'll have to do some sort of manual conversion, I can't find anything for php or postgres |
| 22:44.53 | jsmith | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/4217055/Two-Google-searches-produce-same-CO2-as-boiling-a-kettle.html |
| 22:46.46 | mindjuju | didn't see the origianl article but saw the google article saying that was bunk |
| 22:46.54 | _psychic_ | that's been debunked |
| 22:47.09 | _psychic_ | and even if it wasn't, information access via google is probably the most efficient |
| 22:49.09 | jsmith | I know... I'm just throwing out random links |
| 22:49.52 | fungus | Just reading the article is obvious to know it's bunk |
| 22:50.22 | mindjuju | so here is the REALLY REAL question though |
| 22:51.11 | mindjuju | if somethign is said to be bunk, then it means it is worthless, but to debunk something, as in, "that's been debunked" also means to be found worthless |
| 22:51.17 | mindjuju | but with the de- prefix... |
| 22:51.37 | mindjuju | something funny going on... |
| 22:51.49 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju needs some caffeine. |
| 22:52.04 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm actually on like a ton of advil |
| 22:52.11 | mindjuju | strained the back a couple days ago |
| 22:52.14 | mindjuju | first day back at work |
| 23:01.46 | beandog | poo |
| 23:01.54 | beandog | ~backrub mindjuju |
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