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| 00:08.15 | SunSparc | Laterz! |
| 00:31.07 | thebigdog | ok i got my sun server up and running...stupid thing...and i got my mailserver and mailing list completed...those are crazy stupid too |
| 00:41.00 | tierra | man, I love Google Analytics more and more everytime I come back to it |
| 00:42.44 | tierra | several times more stats that I ever imagined were possible to collect so easily, and so much more relevant numbers... the advanced segments and comparisons are just insanely flexible |
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| 11:06.00 | dvds1 | good morning chan |
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| 12:08.20 | dvds | everybody sleeping? |
| 14:12.11 | mindjuju1 | yeah, they do |
| 14:12.22 | mindjuju1 | but every now and then, you find somebody here at odd hours |
| 14:12.38 | dvds | :E |
| 14:12.47 | dvds | you're at GMT-8, right? |
| 14:13.03 | mindjuju1 | i think we're GMT-7 |
| 14:13.07 | dvds | oh ok |
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| 14:15.35 | dvds | ChanServ lOves you :o |
| 14:15.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 14:17.48 | mindjuju | jsmith or herlo or dvds, do ya'll know about ext3? |
| 14:18.41 | dvds | know what it is, not really more :E |
| 14:19.10 | mindjuju | need to figure out which is best to use for a file server |
| 14:20.04 | dvds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems :F |
| 14:20.38 | mindjuju | ah, was reading the one on ext3, that link you gave looks better |
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| 14:28.01 | dvds | well it's basically a religion question, I suppose |
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| 14:35.46 | dvds | just like script-languages, when you'll have a problem, the first answers will always be "you should have choosen $something_esle, of course you have a problem!" :E |
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| 15:12.15 | herlo | mindjuju: what do you want to know? |
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| 16:15.44 | carmony | morning |
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| 16:28.47 | josephscott | first time back in vegas since going to defcon 1996 |
| 16:31.51 | carmony | lol! I like LV :)\ |
| 16:48.08 | orsonj | yep, it took him that long to rebuild his laptop since going last time :) |
| 16:48.27 | tierra | I've probably been there 6 or 7 times between 2002 and now, not for defcon everytime, but most of them were |
| 16:51.25 | carmony | I've never gone to defcon |
| 16:53.34 | tierra | defcon 12 was by far my busiest year |
| 16:57.35 | josephscott | my one and only defcon was defcon4, that was one strange weekend |
| 16:58.07 | josephscott | http://defcon.org/html/defcon-4/defcon-4.html |
| 17:03.03 | tierra | I was running the Scavenger Hunt, Leetest Link, the Defcon Movie Channel, and I gave a presentation on alternate data streams at Defcon 12... it was little nuts |
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| 17:29.07 | dvds | ping? |
| 17:31.29 | carmony | pong |
| 17:33.00 | dvds | \o/ |
| 17:33.06 | dataw0lf | plonk |
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| 17:36.48 | carmony | hey itimber |
| 17:36.58 | itimber | hey man |
| 17:37.09 | itimber | what'cha up to? |
| 17:39.48 | carmony | just cranking out some bugs |
| 17:39.53 | carmony | bug fixes I should say.... |
| 17:40.03 | itimber | :) |
| 17:40.05 | itimber | I'm with ya |
| 17:40.07 | itimber | LOL |
| 17:42.25 | mindjuju | so about ext3, i've got a fileserver at home and i'm adding SATA drives, they are 1T -- have been reading on the various formats I can use for these drives, but ext3 seems to be the best |
| 17:42.28 | mindjuju | based on journaling at its efforts for data integrity, but is that accurate? |
| 17:43.17 | synic | ext3 is good, can't really go wrong with it |
| 17:43.27 | mindjuju | âk |
| 17:43.34 | DexterTheDragon | xfs is also a good choice |
| 17:43.57 | mindjuju | seems like i heard about xfs from fungus |
| 17:44.04 | mindjuju | so weird question |
| 17:44.08 | synic | I've had issues with xfs |
| 17:44.10 | dataw0lf | I'd stick with ext3. |
| 17:44.12 | synic | but it was in the early days |
| 17:44.31 | fungus | No, it was ZFS that I just can't seem to shut up about. |
| 17:44.40 | mindjuju | all of these formats are interchangeable with other linux distros, no? |
| 17:44.49 | tierra | yeah, you don't need anything other than ext3 unless you know you need something else |
| 17:44.56 | fungus | although zfs is still not yet available on Linux. |
| 17:46.59 | mindjuju | thx for the info guys |
| 17:57.34 | carmony | why not just use FAT? |
| 17:58.01 | synic | hrmm, my /kick function doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:58.03 | synic | I NEED OPS |
| 17:58.19 | carmony | lol |
| 17:58.50 | carmony | what fs does Max OS X use? |
| 17:59.04 | synic | hfs+ |
| 17:59.09 | wps | HFS+ |
| 17:59.52 | carmony | All I know is that my Mac indexes like a champ, its like the perfect search I've seen |
| 18:02.42 | carmony | So here is a question. When it comes to Linux, I know enough to run a LAMP stack, but that is just about it. I want to improve my Sys Admin knowledge for Linux. Any suggestions on where to start? :P |
| 18:03.15 | synic | get a task and learn how to do it |
| 18:05.50 | dataw0lf | setup a mailserver. |
| 18:07.36 | dataw0lf | http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0109/breaking33.htm |
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| 18:07.59 | mgeary | hi all |
| 18:08.39 | dataw0lf | morning |
| 18:13.17 | cycokilr | yeah |
| 18:16.12 | mgeary | hey folks |
| 18:16.23 | mgeary | i'm trying to rally some support for a #utahdjango channel |
| 18:16.52 | mgeary | the folks on #django are getting a little to snippy, imho. Some local flavor might help increase the love |
| 18:17.08 | mgeary | any interest or comments? |
| 18:19.15 | dataw0lf | run into Magus one too many times? |
| 18:19.29 | mastergunns | I'd be interested in the #django channel |
| 18:19.45 | mastergunns | actually the #utahdjango channel. sorry. |
| 18:23.47 | dataw0lf | mgeary: Obviously, I throw my support behind you and would join the channel. #utahpython has a conflict of interest in this case, so a new channel is warranted. |
| 18:24.09 | mgeary | well, come on in. the room is open |
| 18:24.18 | dataw0lf | ah cool. |
| 18:24.22 | mgeary | we've discussed it in #utahpython |
| 18:24.32 | mgeary | some folks there are also interested |
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| 18:28.21 | mgeary | and yes, dataw0lf Magus irritates me |
| 18:28.37 | dataw0lf | Me too. |
| 18:28.55 | mgeary | i believe he has been a key factor in changing the tone of the channel |
| 18:29.02 | mgeary | which used to be incredibly patient and helpful |
| 18:29.15 | dataw0lf | I've met him before, he's a twerp. I had a couple drinks in me when I met him, and mentioned that, loudly, several times. |
| 18:29.18 | mgeary | now it's a race to see who can say, "OMG read the F**ing docs!" first |
| 18:29.34 | dataw0lf | anyways, yea, I agree. |
| 18:30.14 | synic | haha, I actually like Magus |
| 18:30.23 | synic | he's a no nonsense kinda guy |
| 18:30.40 | mgeary | i'm no-nonsense |
| 18:30.42 | mgeary | but i'm not a jerk |
| 18:30.58 | mgeary | the whole attitude of "let me google that for you" is asinine |
| 18:31.16 | synic | *shrug*, he still googles it for you, and usually gives you the answer |
| 18:31.20 | synic | even if it is in a snide tone |
| 18:32.24 | synic | aaaanyway, where is this utahdjango channel? |
| 18:32.27 | synic | on freenode? |
| 18:32.35 | dataw0lf | he's not even that smart. |
| 18:32.45 | mgeary | synic: yes, sort of |
| 18:32.50 | mgeary | i'm trying to figure out how to register it |
| 18:33.09 | mgeary | the reason a google-able question is usually asked is because the *technical* answer is often not sufficient. Some context is usually needed to help embed the answer in an understandable way |
| 18:44.00 | dataw0lf | .ch ? |
| 18:45.17 | mgeary | switzerland |
| 18:45.33 | mgeary | 'es been here a few times. Seems a decent guy |
| 18:53.00 | SunSparc | Yeah, when he is not stealing karma points. |
| 18:53.04 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 18:53.04 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 18:53.14 | mgeary | ~SunSparc++ |
| 18:53.19 | SunSparc | Woot!!! |
| 18:53.30 | SunSparc | ~mgeary++ |
| 18:55.37 | carmony | ugggg... I sometimes don't understand other developers |
| 18:56.42 | SunSparc | carmony: ? |
| 18:57.11 | carmony | I'm going through his code... and he performs an insert.... and then 20 lines below he'll do 2 select queries to get the same data he just barely inserted |
| 18:57.43 | SunSparc | Instead of using the variables he used to put it in? |
| 18:57.47 | carmony | yeah |
| 18:57.52 | SunSparc | Maybe he wants to verify it is there. |
| 18:57.53 | carmony | I makes his code confusing as hell |
| 18:58.01 | carmony | No, he checks to make sure the insert was correct |
| 18:58.07 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 18:58.08 | carmony | if it fails he throws an error |
| 18:58.10 | SunSparc | noob |
| 18:58.30 | SunSparc | Perhaps |
| 18:58.52 | SunSparc | Do you know the guy? |
| 18:59.14 | carmony | kinda, yeah |
| 19:00.04 | mindjuju | why don't you just ask what up |
| 19:00.12 | mindjuju | maybe some crazy reason? |
| 19:00.29 | carmony | I'll have to |
| 19:00.30 | carmony | :) |
| 19:03.03 | SunSparc | Yeah, perhaps he had a good reason that is not readily apparent. |
| 19:03.29 | SunSparc | Or maybe he just needs to be schooled. |
| 19:04.16 | mindjuju | or very likely, wrote the code a LONG time ago, and will prolly be embarrassed to see it |
| 19:04.18 | dataw0lf | zie hate is thick in the air |
| 19:04.26 | dataw0lf | (I fully support and endorse said hate) |
| 19:04.46 | mindjuju | hateful hate? |
| 19:04.50 | carmony | lol, there is one project I did 3 years ago, one of my first more complicated |
| 19:04.57 | carmony | it is SOOOO painful reading that code :P |
| 19:05.19 | SunSparc | I know the feeling. Looking back at some of my old code makes me shudder. |
| 19:05.25 | carmony | It is extremely embarrising thinking I wrote it :P |
| 19:05.28 | mindjuju | by the way, i know everybody here has been waiting for winders 7, and now, here is your chance - http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/windows_7_public_beta_released |
| 19:06.01 | SunSparc | http://xkcd.com/528/ |
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| 19:06.53 | carmony | lol |
| 19:07.03 | mindjuju | funny |
| 19:07.03 | carmony | I can't find the beta download link |
| 19:07.37 | mindjuju | carmony, for non msdn, it'll be available in 2 days here - http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx |
| 19:07.46 | mindjuju | i'll just help myself to it right now though |
| 19:08.21 | mindjuju | while eating my bagel and schmear |
| 19:12.06 | carmony | you know what my #1 pet-peeve that junior developers (even I've done it in the past) do? |
| 19:12.09 | dvds | ~SunSparc++ |
| 19:12.16 | dvds | :E |
| 19:12.32 | mindjuju | use the bathroom and don't wash hands/ |
| 19:12.34 | mindjuju | ? |
| 19:12.41 | SunSparc | heh, thanks dvds |
| 19:12.45 | SunSparc | ~dvds++ |
| 19:13.21 | SunSparc | carmony: pick their nose before they use your keyboard? |
| 19:13.43 | carmony | Use SESSION variables to determine what page to display |
| 19:13.48 | mindjuju | carmony - cough while using your phone? |
| 19:14.38 | carmony | i.e. on this dating site, when you view a profile, it sets that profile in yoru session, and then all the links within that profile draw from that session variable to determine which profile is being viewed |
| 19:14.54 | dvds | °°° |
| 19:15.29 | carmony | But if someone has two windows open, or two tabs, etc. I view Person A, then on my other Tab I view Person B, I then send a message intended for Person A, but lo and behold, it goes to Person B! |
| 19:22.14 | dvds | marypoppins = (julieAndrews + starship) / mailbox; |
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| 19:24.42 | synic | *cynical |
| 19:25.04 | carmony | rofl |
| 19:25.10 | carmony | ~spellcheck++ |
| 19:25.12 | mindjuju | ah, i thought he had gathered the top 10 synic comments and put them in the code |
| 19:26.15 | carmony | I find my self putting in phrases like "Logic clearly show we will now..." and "A good developer would..." and "Lets query this data just once instead of 3 times..." |
| 19:37.10 | mgeary | hey, has anyone found any nice and easy all-javascript ways to protect the email address behind a simple mailto: link from scraping bots? I've seen a couple, and they're all more invasive than i'd like |
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| 19:40.10 | mindjuju | mgeary, i've heard of some v sneaky ways using CSS |
| 19:40.16 | mindjuju | here is an example i documented a while ago |
| 19:40.16 | mindjuju | http://www.oswt.co.uk/developments/spam/1/ |
| 19:40.34 | mindjuju | well, i didn't write it out, what i meant was, i bookmarked it a while ago |
| 19:40.40 | mgeary | :) |
| 19:42.47 | fungus | you could encrypt the email address, put it in a javascript variable assignment, and have js decrypt and display the address. |
| 19:43.07 | fungus | Problem, those w/o js can't read the address |
| 19:43.12 | mgeary | yeah, many solutions i saw used some variant on that |
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| 19:44.22 | mgeary | i don't mind requiring JS |
| 19:44.59 | mgeary | i'm looking for small footprint and ease of implementation. Be nice to set a class on something and just include a single JS file or such |
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| 19:54.23 | mgeary | dang |
| 19:54.33 | mgeary | i just remembered, i've got to renew my driver's license asap |
| 20:01.20 | beandog | mgeary, so you can cripple more old ladies? |
| 20:01.26 | mgeary | even more, yes |
| 20:01.30 | beandog | legally, even |
| 20:02.21 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 20:05.45 | beandog | my last one, they just sent me a new one in the mail |
| 20:05.51 | beandog | I was kinda hoping I could get a new picture |
| 20:06.16 | SunSparc | I had the old style card so I had to get a new pic. |
| 20:06.25 | mindjuju | i think you can if you go down and ask for one |
| 20:06.28 | mindjuju | and pay again |
| 20:06.38 | SunSparc | and stand in line |
| 20:06.55 | beandog | go to do the DMV in South Jordan, it is super fast. |
| 20:07.35 | SunSparc | The new one in Orem was not bad when I went the other day. I think I was there less than 30 minutes. |
| 20:08.18 | mgeary | new one? |
| 20:09.05 | SunSparc | Well, new for me, the last time I went there it was still on the other side of i-15 |
| 20:09.15 | mgeary | uh, where is it now? |
| 20:09.18 | mgeary | the west side? |
| 20:09.21 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 20:09.23 | mgeary | good to know |
| 20:09.31 | mgeary | still off 8th north? |
| 20:09.34 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 20:09.48 | SunSparc | On the back side of one of the government buildings over there. |
| 20:12.37 | beandog | wps, no, not possible |
| 20:12.37 | wps | k |
| 20:12.37 | wps | thanks |
| 20:12.37 | beandog | first one either has to have a default or pass something |
| 20:12.48 | beandog | unless php5 has function overloading |
| 20:13.07 | beandog | which, not sure if it does or not |
| 20:13.21 | beandog | but even then, it'd be trickier than doing what you probably want. |
| 20:13.22 | dataw0lf | maaaan that BART shooting was screwed up. I don't know how you confuse a taser and a handgun. |
| 20:13.44 | carmony | BART? |
| 20:13.55 | mgeary | you didn't?? |
| 20:14.03 | SunSparc | BART = SF transit system |
| 20:14.11 | beandog | sad story |
| 20:14.12 | wps | yeah, that was crazy |
| 20:14.33 | mgeary | wps: that's one of the things i love most about python: named parameters |
| 20:15.34 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: some BART police officers were detaining these drunk black kids, and they got this kid handcuffed on the ground, and this cop stands over him, draws his handgun, and shoots him in his lower back |
| 20:15.38 | dataw0lf | killed him |
| 20:15.48 | carmony | wtf |
| 20:16.06 | dataw0lf | http://carlosmiller.com/ |
| 20:16.09 | carmony | I hate that just a few bad cops can really ruin the reputation for the rest. |
| 20:16.10 | dataw0lf | video ^ |
| 20:16.17 | dataw0lf | not graphic but it's still disturbing. |
| 20:16.40 | SunSparc | Shot a defenseless and detained kid? |
| 20:16.46 | SunSparc | Not good |
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| 20:17.48 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you around? |
| 20:17.56 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:18.17 | dvds | dataw0lf: Your browser is not able to display this multimedia content. o_o |
| 20:18.59 | dataw0lf | dvds: *shrug* works for me. |
| 20:21.23 | dvds | saw it now |
| 20:21.27 | dvds | what is "BART" ? |
| 20:21.58 | SunSparc | ~google bart |
| 20:22.14 | dvds | ~answer dvds :D |
| 20:22.32 | SunSparc | BART = Bay Area Rapid Transit |
| 20:22.57 | dvds | oh |
| 20:23.04 | dvds | and they have police officers? o_O |
| 20:24.16 | mgeary | well, they have guns, anyway |
| 20:24.19 | dvds | police on trains with guns.... brrrr |
| 20:26.15 | dataw0lf | well the BART certainly needs police officers. Just not ones who shoot a defenseless kid in the back who is on the ground. |
| 20:26.39 | dataw0lf | anyways, that officer is screwed. He's going to prison for at least a little bit, and, boy, all it's going to take is a day in the California prison system and he's a goner. |
| 20:27.22 | dvds | aren't men with guns on trains a little too risky as response to crime? :-\ |
| 20:27.59 | dataw0lf | see, this is why you guys were neutral during WW2. |
| 20:30.42 | dvds | well police have guns on the streets, we're not British... but not on trains, trying to stop one criminal is not worth killing 5 people per accident... |
| 20:31.00 | beandog | dataw0lf, hmm, cool website overall |
| 20:31.47 | dataw0lf | dvds: maybe Swiss police officers need to work on their accuracy ? I dunno, we don't have too many cops who unload on a train and kill 5 people. |
| 20:33.20 | dvds | what I mean is that if you do a mistake (and police officers are men, they can do mistakes) in a train, there's a good chance that you kill somebody... |
| 20:33.33 | dvds | and a criminal can anyway not escape from it... |
| 20:34.40 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 20:35.22 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 20:35.22 | jbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down macnewbold's throat until macnewbold puts on 150lbs |
| 20:35.39 | macnewbold | eww |
| 20:35.46 | macnewbold | so that's how it's gonna be, huh carmony? |
| 20:36.13 | dataw0lf | dvds: on the flip side, trains are a prime target for terrorists and even common criminals, since the _victims_ can't escape, either. |
| 20:36.15 | carmony | lol, your random lart days are over! ;) |
| 20:36.25 | wps | AHHHHHH! |
| 20:36.28 | wps | I can't stand blogs with music |
| 20:36.48 | dataw0lf | never gonna give you up! |
| 20:36.55 | carmony | thats why I don't use myspace :P (that and I feel like I'm going to have a stroke over poor design ;)) |
| 20:39.26 | dvds | dataw0lf: a terrorist doesn't wait for a cop with a gun to blow up the train, and for a common criminal, there are other ways than shooting them... |
| 20:40.16 | dvds | but I suppose that's a cultural difference |
| 20:40.46 | dataw0lf | well I dunno how many criminals in your country have guns, but in ours, it's A LOT. |
| 20:40.58 | dvds | (a briton would already have hung himself) |
| 20:41.54 | dvds | it's rising, but probably still much lower, we have much smaller cities |
| 20:43.22 | dataw0lf | don't get me wrong, I think Swiss gun laws are pretty much on the mark. But unarming police officers in a high threat, high population area like a train seems a bit ridiculous. |
| 20:43.24 | carmony | Side note, aparently Australia's new gun control laws have blown up in their faces. Crime has shot up in an all time high |
| 20:43.40 | beandog | australia is whacked. |
| 20:45.47 | dataw0lf | carmony: Huh? everything I've read said it made little difference. Gun violence has continued to decline as it did before their ban. |
| 20:45.49 | SunSparc | Hopefully those anti-gun people here in the US will take careful note of that. |
| 20:46.03 | dataw0lf | http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1736501,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics |
| 20:46.16 | carmony | an email that I got. I haven't done any research, so its just what I've heard |
| 20:46.33 | beandog | bleh. |
| 20:46.34 | dataw0lf | besides, "crime spiking" is a pretty vague thing. |
| 20:46.41 | dataw0lf | you have to compare gun violence, not crime. |
| 20:46.44 | carmony | it might just be some skewed anti-gun-control stuff |
| 20:46.46 | beandog | I hate the same journalistic writing style that is used in major media. |
| 20:47.05 | dvds | dataw0lf: well they still have baton and pepper sprays, it's enough to stop somebody... and as I said, the reason is that it's too risky for the other passengers, and not worht it (here, yet) |
| 20:47.41 | SunSparc | "We do not want the American disease imported into Australia." |
| 20:47.43 | mgeary | well, it's not just whether there are guns. Look at Switzerland, for example. Pretty much every adult male in Switzerland has a semi-automatic rifle in his closet, since they've got a mandatory civilian army, yet Switzerland has very, very little gun crime. |
| 20:48.07 | carmony | k, this email says armed robberies are up 44% over the last year |
| 20:48.12 | carmony | but they don't have a source :P |
| 20:49.26 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/5127741/police-officer-shoves-walmart-receipt-checker-to-the-ground-wont-be-charged |
| 20:51.16 | carmony | thats retarded beandog |
| 20:51.17 | carmony | lol |
| 20:52.10 | beandog | heh |
| 20:52.21 | beandog | police brutality, its rampant |
| 20:52.24 | beandog | wont someone think of the walmarts |
| 20:55.29 | carmony | The times that make me mad is when some person disregards an officer, or shoves one, or resists them and they get tazered and complain. |
| 20:56.54 | josephscott | "In 2002-3, Australia's rate of 0.27 gun-related homicides per 100,000 people was one-fifteenth that of the U.S. rate." |
| 20:57.06 | josephscott | that's a bit depressing |
| 20:57.38 | mindjuju | yeah, but what's the rate of knife violence? |
| 20:57.51 | fungus | But I gave up when I realized that it costs about $25 per shot |
| 20:58.19 | mindjuju | i was just kidding |
| 20:58.19 | beandog | fungus, how many things did you want to shoot? |
| 20:58.44 | fungus | I don't want to tell an attacker, please don't hurt me. I can't afford to shoot you. |
| 20:59.12 | beandog | lol |
| 20:59.16 | fungus | Plus, you have to practice with it, in order to be able to use it effectively. |
| 21:00.33 | beandog | just learn some kung fu |
| 21:01.29 | mindjuju | why bother learning kung fu for years only to get shot? all you got to learn is how to catch bullets with your teeth and your bare hands |
| 21:01.55 | beandog | catching them is easy |
| 21:01.58 | beandog | stopping them is hard |
| 21:02.36 | beandog | heh |
| 21:02.38 | beandog | that reminds me. |
| 21:03.22 | mindjuju | oh man, this isn't going to end well - dude trying to deflect bullet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 21:04.44 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG7GiLv_yk4&feature=related |
| 21:05.44 | mindjuju | that's awesome beandog |
| 21:05.54 | beandog | ~chuckfact |
| 21:05.55 | jbot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 21:06.07 | beandog | ~chuckfact |
| 21:06.08 | jbot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 21:06.14 | beandog | meh |
| 21:06.23 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 21:06.23 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 21:06.46 | beandog | ~chuckfact |
| 21:06.46 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
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| 21:06.52 | beandog | its broken1 |
| 21:06.53 | beandog | ! |
| 21:06.55 | beandog | oh noes |
| 21:07.03 | mindjuju | ~chucknorris |
| 21:07.04 | jbot | Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill. |
| 21:07.07 | josephscott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_norris_facts |
| 21:07.18 | beandog | Apple pays Chuck Norris 99 cents every time he listens to a song. |
| 21:07.58 | beandog | Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding. |
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| 21:08.37 | beandog | Chuck Norris can divide by zero. |
| 21:08.40 | beandog | oh my gosh |
| 21:08.45 | beandog | http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ |
| 21:08.48 | beandog | I love the Internet. |
| 21:09.11 | mindjuju | beandog, that's where i got our chuckfacts from |
| 21:09.11 | carmony | LOL |
| 21:09.23 | carmony | I love that divide by zero one |
| 21:10.09 | beandog | Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. |
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| 21:11.23 | josephscott | Chuck Norris has counted to infinity, twice |
| 21:15.24 | mindjuju | josephscott - aren't you in vegas? |
| 21:15.37 | josephscott | not yet |
| 21:15.49 | josephscott | flight leaves tonight |
| 21:16.00 | mindjuju | ah gotcha |
| 21:34.06 | mgeary | ~starving mgeary |
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| 21:43.18 | mindjuju | ~give mgeary a fried twinkie with a side of whip cream |
| 21:43.19 | jbot | ACTION gives a fried twinkie with a side of whip cream to mgeary |
| 21:47.12 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: http://elisa.fluendo.com/news/31/ |
| 21:51.04 | SunSparc | ~lart network down time |
| 21:51.04 | jbot | takes network down time to the vet for a "special" visit |
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| 21:58.40 | mindjuju | cool winders 7 beta just finished |
| 22:08.02 | mindjuju | well, i'll give it a go and let ya know |
| 22:08.15 | SunSparc | Please do. |
| 22:12.00 | thebigdog | oh man...why do that |
| 22:12.18 | mindjuju | thebigdog - cause i don't want it foobing any of my boxes |
| 22:12.24 | mindjuju | and i just want to see what happens |
| 22:12.35 | thebigdog | but why even get it...but get linux and enjoy life |
| 22:13.04 | mindjuju | winders7 + virtualbox == sodium + water |
| 22:13.08 | mindjuju | what bad could happen? |
| 22:13.30 | orsonj | salt water, good for a cold |
| 22:13.59 | mindjuju | yeah but straight up sodium doesn't go with water |
| 22:14.04 | mindjuju | that's why they store it in oil |
| 22:15.10 | mindjuju | 100% no rick roll guarantee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD85OUkEKKw |
| 22:15.30 | mindjuju | warning, turn down the speakers |
| 22:15.43 | _psychic__ | mindjuju: you see today's xkcd ? |
| 22:16.05 | Utah_Dave | _psychic__: the hilter one? |
| 22:16.23 | _psychic__ | yeah |
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| 22:16.32 | Utah_Dave | that was freaking hilarious |
| 22:16.34 | _psychic__ | holy crap that's way too much sodium |
| 22:16.41 | mindjuju | holy crap |
| 22:16.50 | mindjuju | i just lost like 50% of my applications running |
| 22:16.57 | _psychic__ | it's usually coated in oil or something, right? |
| 22:17.05 | mindjuju | winders7 + virtualbox really does == sodium + water |
| 22:17.22 | mindjuju | i've never seen so many errors flash across the screen at once |
| 22:17.37 | fungus | but virtualbox should keep it contained enough to not blow up the host |
| 22:17.47 | mindjuju | fungus, i would have thought that |
| 22:17.58 | mindjuju | but you saw my pidgin crash and me disappear from IRC |
| 22:18.08 | mindjuju | i crap you not, everything just started thowing errors |
| 22:18.24 | fungus | whoops. |
| 22:18.31 | mindjuju | well, maybe not half, but about 5 apps |
| 22:18.33 | _psychic__ | I remember seeing one where they throw a bunch in some lake |
| 22:18.36 | mgeary | hmm, what OS are you using again, mindjuju...? |
| 22:18.45 | mindjuju | i'm running windersXP |
| 22:22.17 | mgeary | hrm. So, tell me what y'all think of this as an anti-email scraping measure |
| 22:23.22 | mindjuju | fungus, i think i found the underlying error |
| 22:23.30 | mindjuju | some kind of virtual memory error |
| 22:23.42 | mgeary | a post-load ajax call that does a serverside decrypt and innerHTML replacement of encrypted (or even absent) mailto link text |
| 22:23.48 | mindjuju | though curiously, I have near 3g in this box, really shouldn't have been an issue |
| 22:23.49 | mindjuju | ? |
| 22:24.19 | mindjuju | that or just make the email addy a pic |
| 22:25.05 | mindjuju | ah, but you're using mailto, so you'll need something there |
| 22:25.06 | mindjuju | nm |
| 22:25.44 | dvds | virtualbox is good, as far as everything is fine, but doesn't really handle well errors :-\ |
| 22:26.09 | DexterTheDragon | whats a well error? |
| 22:26.27 | mindjuju | well error? |
| 22:26.33 | josephscott | Like, ack, I've fallen down a well |
| 22:26.34 | dvds | catch(e) { die('well'); } |
| 22:26.42 | Utah_Dave | handles errors well |
| 22:26.52 | mindjuju | oh i see it |
| 22:26.54 | mindjuju | ha ha |
| 22:26.56 | dvds | thanks for translating Utah_Dave :D |
| 22:31.19 | wps | don't hurt yourself |
| 22:32.37 | josephscott | another reason why I wish PHP supported named arguments. Basically a less verbose version of a single array arg |
| 22:34.46 | orsonj | I think the single array option is the best approach (available) when you want to specify either variable singly |
| 22:35.17 | Utah_Dave | np, dvds |
| 22:35.38 | orsonj | if the options are typed differently (string, vs number) you can detect the type manually, but otherwise it gets ambiguous |
| 22:43.49 | dvds | argh |
| 22:44.06 | dvds | who want a "Rainbox Six" book? (Tom Clancy) |
| 22:44.20 | dvds | just noticed I bought it twice... |
| 22:52.44 | orsonj | I read one of those once. not too bad. I don't think I'd bother with another though. |
| 22:55.01 | dvds | you mean books? well it's like a screen, you just have to flip pages instead of scrolling :) |
| 22:56.14 | SunSparc | If you need help with the "book", here is some tech support: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRBIVRwvUeE |
| 22:59.09 | dvds | SunSparc: LOL |
| 22:59.30 | orsonj | Ah, I remember that one. |
| 22:59.41 | SunSparc | Oldie, but goodie. |
| 23:00.00 | orsonj | makes me smile just thinking about it. Didn't even have to watch it. |
| 23:01.03 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:01.28 | SunSparc | orsonj: You recognized it by it's youtube id I bet. |
| 23:01.53 | orsonj | no, I did load the page, but noscript blocked the preview image |
| 23:02.08 | SunSparc | I know, just playin |
| 23:02.37 | orsonj | problem with mezmorizing ids is all the people who post the same video over and over again. |
| 23:03.40 | SunSparc | I do not understand why people feel the need to do that. Most likely they have never heard of the concept of searching before they post. |
| 23:04.00 | SunSparc | ala Digg |
| 23:06.10 | orsonj | well, it improves their status to post something even if it has in the past. Dumb, yes, but it happens. |
| 23:06.27 | orsonj | Also, it seems some of the world is moving past searching and just watching stuff as it comes by |
| 23:06.38 | orsonj | Like TV, you get reruns |
| 23:07.03 | mindjuju | who's got the runs? |
| 23:07.05 | mindjuju | gross! |
| 23:07.22 | orsonj | ~give mindjuju the runs |
| 23:07.23 | jbot | ACTION gives the runs to mindjuju |
| 23:07.52 | SunSparc | he |
| 23:07.54 | SunSparc | h |
| 23:08.47 | beandog | montezuma's revenge |
| 23:11.16 | mgeary | that used to be a cool Apple ][ era game |
| 23:13.15 | orsonj | I need to replace a 77M spreadsheet with a real database |
| 23:15.52 | beandog | I learned something cool about mysql shell today |
| 23:16.01 | beandog | SELECT * FROM table \G |
| 23:16.07 | beandog | returns the result vertically |
| 23:16.25 | dvds | try DELETE FROM table WHERE 1 :E |
| 23:16.35 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:16.46 | beandog | mysql needs delete ... limit |
| 23:17.20 | DexterTheDragon | doing random deletes? |
| 23:17.31 | fungus | delete ... limit sounds dangerous. |
| 23:18.44 | DexterTheDragon | DELETE FROM users ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 5; |
| 23:18.57 | mgeary | i thought that was already supported |
| 23:19.38 | dvds | you'll never see me agaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnn |
| 23:19.55 | mgeary | yeah, that is supported |
| 23:21.37 | beandog | fungus, nah, its a nice catch. |
| 23:21.41 | beandog | LIMIT 1 delete |
| 23:22.26 | fungus | oh, I see, using it as a safeguard, just in case. |
| 23:24.50 | Utah_Dave | dvds: I own Rainbow Six |
| 23:24.54 | Utah_Dave | It's a great book. |
| 23:25.14 | Utah_Dave | It's one of the few fiction books that I read once every year or two |
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| 23:25.58 | itimber | I'm out guys.... catch ya'll later |
| 23:26.34 | dvds | I didn't read it yet... (that's why I bought it twice) |
| 23:26.34 | Utah_Dave | orsonj: I'm in the middle of setting up a program to import a bunch of Excel spreadsheets in 5 or 6 different formats into a database |
| 23:27.28 | Utah_Dave | I'm using Python and SQLite. It's going really well |
| 23:27.58 | orsonj | ~sqlite++ |
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| 23:28.19 | dvds | ~pgsql++ |
| 23:28.22 | trevynmeyer | hi |
| 23:28.38 | trevynmeyer | do you know how to put or change a channel annoucement |
| 23:28.39 | trevynmeyer | ? |
| 23:28.52 | dvds | /msg chanserv help |
| 23:29.29 | orsonj | I'll take sqlite over pgsql for something that is being done in a spreadsheet. Less overhead. |
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| 23:31.27 | Utah_Dave | orsonj: yeah, someone else is going to be managing this after I'm done. I don't have to have them install anything except for Python and 2 simple modules to get the whole app running |
| 23:31.47 | Utah_Dave | they won't have to run a mysql database or anything. It's working out great. |
| 23:32.00 | Utah_Dave | My boss did a demo for them back in D.C. this week and they loved it. |
| 23:32.02 | trevynmeyer | topic |
| 23:32.04 | trevynmeyer | got it |
| 23:32.27 | orsonj | yep, sometimes you need simplicity more than power. Sometimes, the other way around. |
| 23:37.24 | mindjuju | for those of you who indulge, ravetrax.com is playing some hawt stuff |
| 23:37.37 | mindjuju | and no unss unss unss dataw0lf |
| 23:37.42 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 23:43.31 | mindjuju | what up trevynmeyer |
| 23:45.08 | trevynmeyer | mindjuju: saying busy |
| 23:45.08 | trevynmeyer | you? |
| 23:45.30 | mindjuju | kickin' it; keepin it real |
| 23:45.45 | dvds | die(sleep(3600*8)); |
| 23:45.54 | dvds | good night, bye bye |
| 23:46.04 | mgeary | tschuÃ, dvds |
| 23:46.12 | mgeary | s/u/ü |
| 23:46.27 | mindjuju | cya dvds |
| 23:48.08 | mindjuju | sadly, i'm doing a quick spot of tech support helping the owner's daughter learn / use FTP |
| 23:48.21 | mindjuju | but i'm surviving by finding cool things on ytmnd |
| 23:48.23 | mindjuju | like |
| 23:48.27 | mindjuju | http://schoolingharry.ytmnd.com/ |
| 23:48.31 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 23:48.57 | mindjuju | it's a good thing tech support is over IM other wise, i'd be in real pain talking on the phone |
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