| 00:00.44 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 00:08.52 | thebigdog | orsonj, that is taking it to another level |
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| 06:06.28 | wps | mgeary: you an buy a new macbook now |
| 06:06.35 | mgeary | i would |
| 06:06.38 | wps | the 17" as an anti-glare option |
| 06:06.40 | mgeary | yep |
| 06:06.47 | mgeary | that'll do me |
| 06:06.50 | wps | why they don't offer that in the 15" model is completely beyond me |
| 06:07.01 | mgeary | though i'm not on track to get a new laptop for at least another year |
| 06:07.13 | wps | 8 hour battery would be pretty nice as well |
| 06:07.15 | mgeary | seriously |
| 06:07.27 | mgeary | i wonder what field tests of the battery would indicate |
| 06:07.35 | wps | yeah |
| 06:07.36 | mgeary | my guess is something more like 5 hours, but that's still awesome |
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| 16:27.52 | thebigdog | top 'o the morning |
| 16:32.48 | mindjuju | and to you guvnor |
| 16:34.32 | carmony | morning :) |
| 16:34.34 | mgeary | heya |
| 16:39.30 | thebigdog | i really hate spam |
| 16:41.36 | mindjuju | i hate when people pretend to know wth is going on and give bad advice |
| 16:41.55 | mgeary | ~introduce mindjuju to every MSCE i've ever met |
| 16:42.35 | mindjuju | MSCE == "mouse jockey" or "GUI King" |
| 16:43.14 | mindjuju | that's why i refuse to certify -- it reminds me too much of that one guy from the sneetches |
| 16:45.19 | mgeary | ah, but think of all the jobs you'd be eligible for |
| 16:45.21 | herlo | mindjuju: RHCE is *two* stars on your belly :) |
| 16:45.46 | mindjuju | ooooh yeah, here's my money, i'll go run and get this star |
| 16:45.52 | mindjuju | oh wait, i want that star too |
| 16:45.59 | mindjuju | i'll run and pay more money and get that |
| 16:46.12 | mindjuju | oh hey, everybody has this star, i want mine to be unique |
| 16:46.18 | mindjuju | i'll pay more money and get that unique star |
| 16:46.41 | mindjuju | oh hey, they've changed the whole freakin' star system, i'll pay tons more and get all new stars! |
| 16:46.41 | herlo | mindjuju: MCSE isn't as valuable as it once was. Everyone and their puppy can get one |
| 16:46.48 | mindjuju | <repeat> |
| 16:46.56 | mgeary | my puppy has one |
| 16:46.59 | herlo | see |
| 16:47.03 | herlo | :) |
| 16:47.04 | mindjuju | yeah, my point |
| 16:47.12 | mindjuju | you see no stars on my belly |
| 16:48.12 | herlo | my stars are red, with little blue stars at each point of the larger red stars |
| 16:48.50 | herlo | I do argue that Certifications are good for one thing, getting you in the door for an interview. |
| 16:49.50 | mgeary | maybe so, but i would argue that that's only useful if you don't have an abundance of experience |
| 16:49.52 | mindjuju | yeah, true that for some places |
| 16:50.08 | mgeary | and/or you want to work for a Faceless Corp⢠|
| 16:50.09 | mindjuju | but i don't see cert requirements as much any more |
| 16:51.44 | thebigdog | i agree with the certs...they are a pain but can be worthwhile for a couple things |
| 16:51.54 | thebigdog | but that depends entirely on the cert itself |
| 16:52.10 | thebigdog | i am not sure about a php or mysql cert |
| 16:52.21 | thebigdog | but a really high cisco cert might be worthwhile |
| 16:52.44 | mindjuju | there is a line there, but i don't knwo where it is |
| 16:52.51 | mindjuju | you're right on Cisco, good point |
| 16:53.23 | mindjuju | but certs are just getting ridiculous |
| 16:53.29 | mindjuju | in general |
| 16:55.14 | thebigdog | that i totally agree with |
| 16:55.26 | thebigdog | i know there are some security certs that i would love to get too |
| 16:56.06 | mindjuju | k, i think i know where the line is |
| 16:56.27 | mindjuju | certs as a money making venture is stupid, certs as a way to document a certain skill set is good |
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| 16:58.48 | Utah_Dave | Ugh. It's 93 degrees in my server room right now. AC went out |
| 16:59.05 | Utah_Dave | It's 108 degrees behind the servers |
| 16:59.34 | mgeary | or my feet, at least |
| 17:01.42 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:02.16 | mgeary | tell me what you love about it |
| 17:02.26 | mgeary | i've not taken the time to ramp up on jabber |
| 17:02.43 | thebigdog | how easy it is |
| 17:02.50 | thebigdog | atleast the server i use |
| 17:03.19 | thebigdog | and that i love using them for company messaging |
| 17:03.34 | thebigdog | i just need to get our dev environment where i want it |
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| 17:06.36 | Utah_Dave | what server are you using? I've used ejabberd, it was really easy |
| 17:08.17 | unum | I like ejabberd |
| 17:08.25 | unum | we've been using it for a couple of years |
| 17:09.23 | herlo | mgeary: I think even with experience a cert is useful, it proves you have a basic competence. Thus the 'foot-in-the-door' argument |
| 17:10.37 | mgeary | well, i'm certainly not religious about the subject |
| 17:11.20 | herlo | having taught the RHCE exam courses, I can say with certainty that anyone who passes the test can do what the RHCE guarantees |
| 17:11.35 | thebigdog | i use openfire for jabber server |
| 17:11.35 | herlo | beyond that, experience is the only value... |
| 17:11.49 | herlo | thebigdog: I set openfire up the other day, nice inteface :) |
| 17:11.58 | thebigdog | yeah it is pretty nice |
| 17:12.28 | mindjuju | k, i could see how that's helpful |
| 17:12.31 | mindjuju | but what about this |
| 17:12.32 | mindjuju | http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/msbc/requirements/default.mspx |
| 17:12.52 | mindjuju | puh-LEASE |
| 17:13.17 | mindjuju | is word REALLY that complex that you need a cert? |
| 17:13.32 | mgeary | well, it is really complex |
| 17:13.36 | mgeary | but that's because it sucks |
| 17:14.06 | mgeary | the only MS product i'm not embarrassed to use is Excel |
| 17:14.34 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:14.42 | mindjuju | and on top of that, you have "cert tracks" for office 2k, 2k3, and 2k7 |
| 17:14.51 | herlo | lol |
| 17:14.51 | mindjuju | what up with that |
| 17:15.53 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: interesting, there's an asterisk plugin for openfire. Nice |
| 17:16.09 | thebigdog | yep and a sip plugin too |
| 17:19.20 | herlo | there's gateways to most other services too AIM/MSN etc |
| 17:20.12 | Utah_Dave | very nice |
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| 17:22.50 | mindjuju | sup dataw0lf |
| 17:23.17 | dataw0lf | hey hey. |
| 17:23.33 | mgeary | well hey there |
| 17:23.35 | mindjuju | how were the holidays? |
| 17:25.39 | herlo | dataw0lf: :) welcome |
| 17:25.44 | herlo | good to see you |
| 17:26.32 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: they were good, been off and sick though. I volunteered at the food bank for a couple hours on christmas and I think I got hacked on one too many times |
| 17:26.42 | dataw0lf | herlo: hey hey |
| 17:27.11 | herlo | dataw0lf: how's ruby doing? |
| 17:27.25 | dataw0lf | mgeary: haha. |
| 17:27.41 | dataw0lf | herlo: well, but I've switched back to Python for the past month or so |
| 17:27.51 | dataw0lf | think I have to help someone with some ActionScript today >_< |
| 17:28.31 | herlo | ahh, python is cooler anyway. |
| 17:28.55 | herlo | dataw0lf: I just landed a job doing rails dev some of the time, kind of slow picking it up, but I can do maintenance on it pretty well |
| 17:29.11 | mgeary | herlo: congrats |
| 17:29.28 | herlo | mgeary: I now have been here two weeks |
| 17:29.35 | herlo | or is it thee |
| 17:29.37 | herlo | three |
| 17:29.42 | Utah_Dave | ~welcome dataw0lf |
| 17:29.43 | jbot | Good to see you, dataw0lf! |
| 17:29.44 | herlo | Dec 17 was my start date |
| 17:29.44 | mgeary | nice to have an opportunity to learn something new |
| 17:29.57 | dataw0lf | herlo: oh very nice |
| 17:30.02 | dataw0lf | herlo: in SLC? |
| 17:30.06 | herlo | yeah |
| 17:30.08 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: how ya doing. |
| 17:30.14 | Utah_Dave | pretty good! |
| 17:30.17 | dataw0lf | herlo: cool beans. Checked out RSpec yet? |
| 17:30.22 | herlo | dataw0lf: looking to move to CA at some point... |
| 17:30.28 | dataw0lf | herlo: me and you both ;) |
| 17:30.35 | dataw0lf | actually I'm thinking OR. |
| 17:30.37 | herlo | dataw0lf: heard of it and substruct (the ecommerce pkg) uses it |
| 17:30.42 | herlo | OR is NICE! |
| 17:31.06 | dataw0lf | herlo: yea, I was born in Eugene, got a tentative offer at the newspaper there a couple weeks ago |
| 17:31.24 | dataw0lf | (we had a bunch of layoffs which included our digital media editor, he got a job up there and wants to take some of experienced web staff from here) |
| 17:31.34 | herlo | dataw0lf: lol, I love ducks stadium and the hill overlooking it |
| 17:31.43 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 17:31.46 | dataw0lf | it's a really cool town |
| 17:31.49 | herlo | great place |
| 17:31.51 | herlo | yeah |
| 17:31.54 | dataw0lf | definitely |
| 17:32.26 | dataw0lf | alright I need to overwrite this django model's save method real quick, brb |
| 17:33.07 | unum | we have a location in eugene so I could move there if I wanted to.... |
| 17:33.19 | unum | we are closing our spokane office tomorrow |
| 17:34.37 | dataw0lf | I lived northeast of Spokane for a little while |
| 17:37.25 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I've been hacking some Python all this week. It's been a while. |
| 17:39.23 | thebigdog | i have been learning scala recently....since we are on the lang topic |
| 17:41.58 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: cool stuff. |
| 17:42.42 | dataw0lf | pchaow, save method overwritten. |
| 17:44.04 | herlo | easy peasy |
| 17:45.02 | dataw0lf | I needed a simple way to have a model which has a 'display' field, to limit that to only a single instance. |
| 17:45.29 | dataw0lf | so I just make a post_save signal on the rest. |
| 17:46.17 | thebigdog | are there any new mailing list packages out besides mailman? |
| 17:47.02 | Utah_Dave | Holy crap. I came in late to work today to find our server room at 107 degrees. They have someone coming to fix the AC. In the meantime, the other guys dragged in 24 office trash cans full of snow |
| 17:47.23 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:47.28 | thebigdog | snowball fight in server room |
| 17:47.34 | Utah_Dave | there are trash cans of snow right next to our servers with fans blowing over them |
| 17:47.50 | thebigdog | be careful of the humidity in there |
| 17:47.51 | mindjuju | won't that also raise the humidity level? |
| 17:47.53 | Utah_Dave | I couldn't get a very good picture |
| 17:47.54 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:48.03 | unum | it's not knew but we've always used ecartis for fslc |
| 17:48.15 | dataw0lf | http://rgj.com/article/20090106/NEWS18/90106054&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews |
| 17:48.19 | dataw0lf | yay we ... win? |
| 17:48.28 | Utah_Dave | I know. I'm seriously thinking of shutting everything down until the AC guy gets here |
| 17:48.45 | thebigdog | unum, how do you like using it? |
| 17:48.52 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: until tomorrow morning |
| 17:49.01 | unum | thebigdog: they guy that set it up loves it, I prefer mailman |
| 17:49.22 | unum | actually the guy that maintains it now(an other cli guy) prefers it as well |
| 17:49.37 | dataw0lf | does anyone listen to tropicalia music? I'm totally digging it right now |
| 17:49.38 | thebigdog | unum, ty i will check it out |
| 17:50.24 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, yes and i like ot call it Tropicalismo |
| 17:50.36 | thebigdog | cause it makes me feel macho |
| 17:50.47 | thebigdog | i love brazilian music too |
| 17:51.08 | thebigdog | i got hooked when i was in argentina |
| 17:51.22 | dataw0lf | listening to Gal Costa - Vou Recomecar, Portuguese is a beautiful language to sing in |
| 17:52.10 | thebigdog | yeah i have a future nephew-in-law that loves that stuff |
| 17:53.58 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, have you heard of tom ze |
| 17:54.31 | dataw0lf | neg. |
| 17:54.57 | thebigdog | check these out - novos baianos, gilberto gil, tom ze, cartola |
| 17:55.01 | thebigdog | you might like them |
| 17:55.08 | dataw0lf | alright, thanks |
| 17:55.16 | thebigdog | gal costa rocks too |
| 17:55.48 | dataw0lf | yea she's pretty sick |
| 17:56.17 | thebigdog | Caetano Veloso and Elis Regina are really good |
| 17:56.34 | thebigdog | i dont speak port. but i love it |
| 17:56.43 | thebigdog | i love latin music so much |
| 17:56.53 | thebigdog | except for that country mexico crap |
| 17:56.54 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:57.02 | thebigdog | ranchero stuff |
| 17:57.47 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, i usually hit this station some times - http://www.last.fm/listen/globaltags/Bossa%20Nova |
| 18:03.03 | mindjuju | that's just sick and wrong |
| 18:03.19 | mindjuju | it should be ravetrax.com or di.fm breaks |
| 18:08.11 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:08.28 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i have to admit i have been listening to a lot of different music lately |
| 18:08.41 | thebigdog | i have been listening to a lot of acoustic stuff |
| 18:09.20 | thebigdog | a lot of soul, blues and folk music |
| 18:17.42 | carmony | how can I see how large a mysql index is? |
| 18:17.48 | carmony | records & data size? |
| 18:28.49 | _psychic_ | is it in the data directory? |
| 18:29.03 | _psychic_ | I'm pretty sure phpmyadmin can tell you, too. |
| 18:33.41 | carmony | I really need to take an in-depth mysql course |
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| 18:39.03 | dvds1 | hello chan |
| 18:39.28 | carmony | heyu |
| 18:39.59 | dvds1 | small problem: I have a loop in a CLI script on WinXP, with a sleep(5) at the end of every loop... when i put the pc in standby and wake it up, the loop never resumes... any idea why? |
| 18:41.48 | carmony | my guess is PHP can't handle sleep mode and just dies |
| 18:42.55 | dvds1 | it doesn't really die -> the CLI is still open, it simply seems never to come out of the sleep again :\ |
| 18:44.33 | carmony | have you tried it without the sleep |
| 18:44.36 | tierra | can't say I'm really surprised... it probably internally sets up a system callback which might be reset on sleep |
| 18:44.38 | carmony | sleep(5) |
| 18:45.13 | tierra | fwiw, sleep() is such an abused function... there's rarely a good reason to be using it |
| 18:45.37 | tierra | abused in every programming language |
| 18:46.08 | dvds1 | well, in an infinte loop that doesn't require always immediate action, it isn't really abused, is it? |
| 18:46.33 | dvds1 | and I can't really take it away, it would use my cpu in an awful way! :P |
| 18:48.31 | tierra | what is this script for if you don't mind me asking? |
| 18:49.26 | tierra | I'm going to take a shot in the dark, and guess that you're using it as a system service, always running... |
| 18:50.19 | dvds1 | it is (should be) always running, collecting information, checking network status, starting applications, and so on... |
| 18:51.10 | dvds1 | nothing that can't wait a couple of seconds (even minutes probably) - but just stop working after coming back from standby.. well, it's at least annoying :\ |
| 18:51.13 | thebigdog | tierra, i agree...listeners should replace all sleep functions |
| 18:51.44 | tierra | exactly |
| 18:53.36 | dvds1 | listeners to replace sleep? |
| 18:54.01 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog and tierra: can you give an example of how you would do that? |
| 18:54.17 | thebigdog | php does not really support listeners |
| 18:54.33 | thebigdog | but basically you have apps that listen for events to trigger them |
| 18:54.41 | tierra | php isn't the language dvds1 should be using for this honestly |
| 18:54.50 | thebigdog | yep |
| 18:55.13 | mgeary | event-driven architectures++ |
| 18:55.39 | dvds1 | it's always easy to say that the best solution is another language or another OS... |
| 18:55.42 | mgeary | i imagine python could do this, but i wouldn't know how |
| 18:56.06 | mgeary | dvds1: yeah, we're just takin' shots at ya ;) |
| 18:56.48 | thebigdog | i am not even sure that sleep and usleep are fully implemented on windows |
| 18:56.58 | thebigdog | i remember back when usleep had some huge issues |
| 18:57.18 | dvds1 | thebigdog: it seems they are, until standby comes |
| 18:57.42 | thebigdog | carmony, oh how i hate mysql innodb |
| 18:58.17 | mgeary | carmony: let me guess, you're doing it to gain foreign-key enforcement? |
| 18:58.23 | carmony | yeah, but MyISAM doesn't support row-level locking |
| 18:59.05 | tierra | the Python sched module is one solution that was somewhat meant for this stuff |
| 18:59.19 | thebigdog | dvds1, what are you sleeping for? if you dont mind me asking? |
| 19:00.08 | dvds1 | thebigdog: because there could be hours without anything to do for the script, so better sleeping as looping unnecessarely on the cpu |
| 19:00.45 | thebigdog | dvds1, i would do this |
| 19:01.07 | thebigdog | 1. check the differences in cpu of using no sleep, sleep and usleep |
| 19:01.36 | thebigdog | last i remember is that sleep still uses the cpu |
| 19:01.49 | thebigdog | what version of php are you using? |
| 19:01.58 | thebigdog | i woudl be on version 5 |
| 19:02.01 | thebigdog | atleast |
| 19:02.07 | dvds1 | yep, but quite nothing, compared to an (quite) empty loop ! |
| 19:02.19 | dvds1 | downloaded yesterday the last stable |
| 19:02.59 | thebigdog | i would loop with a check without sleep |
| 19:03.03 | dvds1 | didn't try usleep yet, but it could for some reasons behave differently than sleep, didn't thought of that |
| 19:03.04 | mgeary | why not just use a cron job? |
| 19:03.09 | dvds1 | thebigdog ? o_O |
| 19:03.26 | dvds1 | mgeary: you ever tried using scheduled tasks on windows? :\ |
| 19:03.34 | mgeary | ah, forgot. Windows |
| 19:03.41 | mindjuju | wincron works well |
| 19:03.45 | mgeary | MS so totally rocks |
| 19:03.59 | mindjuju | ~poo mgeary |
| 19:04.00 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at mgeary |
| 19:04.06 | mindjuju | and his fake fanboyism |
| 19:04.08 | thebigdog | dvds1, i use schedules on windows and they are ok |
| 19:04.28 | mindjuju | win schedule works, but not as a service, if i recall |
| 19:04.28 | thebigdog | not ideal but they work pretty good |
| 19:04.37 | mindjuju | where wincron is a service if i remember correctly |
| 19:04.42 | dvds1 | not nearly as a "real" cron :\ |
| 19:06.12 | thebigdog | dvds1, why not turn of winxp sleeping/hibernate |
| 19:06.16 | thebigdog | or whatever it is called |
| 19:06.36 | dvds1 | because it is actually needed ! |
| 19:06.45 | dvds1 | (yes I know, kind of a strange situation) |
| 19:06.55 | dvds1 | (trying usleep now...) |
| 19:07.11 | thebigdog | macnewbold, you around? |
| 19:10.01 | mindjuju | macnewbold never be around these days, though if you invoke him around 6p, he seems more likely to be around |
| 19:10.20 | mindjuju | it's actually gotten to the point where even dexterthedragon don't know if macnewbold is around |
| 19:10.34 | thebigdog | is he really that busy? |
| 19:10.55 | thebigdog | fungus or herlo you guys really familiar with sendmail? |
| 19:11.24 | fungus | I used to be, but haven't touched it much in about 2 years |
| 19:11.30 | thebigdog | oh ok |
| 19:11.43 | thebigdog | do you remember the format of trusted-users file |
| 19:11.58 | thebigdog | is it just a username per line? |
| 19:12.12 | fungus | I am pretty sure it's just username per line |
| 19:12.27 | thebigdog | fungus k ty |
| 19:12.45 | thebigdog | ty mgeary for you love |
| 19:13.06 | thebigdog | i really hate sendmail |
| 19:13.11 | thebigdog | but man it is so powerful |
| 19:13.16 | mindjuju | so dvds1 - did you find a solution |
| 19:14.56 | herlo | thebigdog: I hate sendmail, but I know a little of it |
| 19:16.05 | dvds1 | mindjuju: not yet, I think I'm gonna be crazy... |
| 19:16.18 | dvds1 | usleep(1000) = sleep for one second, or am I too tired ? |
| 19:16.36 | mindjuju | yeah, if i recall, it measures in the millisecond |
| 19:16.58 | mindjuju | Halt time in micro seconds. A micro second is one millionth of a second. |
| 19:17.26 | mindjuju | dvds1 - http://us3.php.net/usleep |
| 19:17.26 | dvds1 | oh ok |
| 19:17.31 | dvds1 | (shit :E) |
| 19:17.35 | mindjuju | // wait for 2 seconds |
| 19:17.35 | mindjuju | usleep(2000000); |
| 19:18.09 | dvds1 | generated 1k lines of logs while trying to understand lol |
| 19:18.33 | mindjuju | dvds1 - one quick thing, since most of us are at work, we have a safe-for-work language rule in place, no cussin' please |
| 19:18.49 | mindjuju | that's funny about the logs |
| 19:19.25 | mgeary | ~pottymouth dvds1 |
| 19:19.29 | dvds1 | oh, sorry... didn't realize it's not yet evening everywhere... |
| 19:19.55 | mindjuju | no worries, you're cool |
| 19:21.14 | mindjuju | k, for your lunch time enjoyment, i present "My lasik eye surgery" - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O4kDC4sZ5Jg |
| 19:21.23 | mindjuju | i could only make it to 1:11 before i had to stop |
| 19:27.47 | dvds1 | oh oh... I might have a big bug stopping the loop even before it comes to the sleep...... |
| 19:28.19 | thebigdog | why is that? |
| 19:28.40 | dvds1 | because I'm an idiot, I suppose. |
| 19:29.17 | thebigdog | sorry to hear that |
| 19:31.15 | mindjuju | so wait wait, dvds - you're trying to bring your computer out of hibernate using a script? |
| 19:31.26 | mindjuju | because i don't think that's possible |
| 19:31.41 | mindjuju | dvds1 ^^ |
| 19:32.04 | mindjuju | for security reasons, that is |
| 19:32.41 | mindjuju | AFAIK, you can't have a script unlock the screen, etc |
| 19:32.49 | dvds1 | °°° |
| 19:33.11 | dvds1 | no, I'm trying to have the script working AFTER the pc comes out of stand-by |
| 19:33.18 | mindjuju | oh |
| 19:33.42 | mindjuju | went back up to read the log and for a sec it sounded like you wanted to unhiberate the box via script |
| 19:34.15 | dvds1 | oh come on, I missed a bug, I'm not that idiot ! :D |
| 19:35.57 | dvds1 | it's working !! \o/ |
| 19:43.45 | dvds1 | well, my script is working, so I think I'm gonna go offline, have to sleep soon ! |
| 19:44.04 | dvds1 | thanks anyway, I might come back here, seemed nice |
| 19:44.04 | mgeary | dvds1: bist in der Schweiz?! |
| 19:44.23 | dvds1 | mgeary: aehm ja... :E |
| 19:45.03 | mgeary | welcher Stadt? |
| 19:45.22 | mindjuju | how did you know he spoke German? was it from the sequence of words in "I'm not that idiot " ? |
| 19:45.33 | mgeary | he's got a .ch domain |
| 19:46.29 | mindjuju | who'd have guessed .ch meant Switzerland?? |
| 19:46.36 | mgeary | Confederation Helvetica |
| 19:47.02 | dvds1 | who'd guessed there is something on the other side of the ocean... :D |
| 19:47.05 | mindjuju | is that where they get the overture? |
| 19:47.13 | mgeary | mindjuju: well, that's from the opera, yes |
| 19:47.42 | mindjuju | that's funny dvds1 |
| 19:48.04 | mindjuju | cool that you're in switzerland |
| 19:48.25 | mindjuju | or Confederation Helvetica |
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| 19:49.02 | dvds1 | :D |
| 19:49.11 | mindjuju | well, go get some sleep, but come back |
| 19:51.03 | dvds1 | I will ! |
| 19:52.51 | dvds1 | bye bye |
| 19:53.08 | mindjuju | cya |
| 19:57.43 | mgeary | man, i'd trade all thebigdog's snickerdoodles for a place to live in Switzerland |
| 19:57.51 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:59.36 | thebigdog | i would gladly give my snickerdoodles away for majordomo to work |
| 19:59.56 | mgeary | why not mailman? |
| 19:59.58 | thebigdog | but i have some homemade chocolate chip cookies upstairs waiting for me |
| 20:00.12 | thebigdog | mgeary, cause they have it half installed and told me to use it |
| 20:00.23 | mgeary | ~console thebigdog |
| 20:00.24 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the consolation moose |
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| 20:31.43 | thebigdog | it is official...i hate sendmail |
| 20:38.31 | mgeary | ~boggle thebigdog |
| 20:38.31 | jbot | ACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at thebigdog |
| 20:39.03 | thebigdog | sendmail is awesome if you are like a 20yr+ sys admin and you know all the rfcs |
| 20:39.09 | thebigdog | then you can do some amazing stuff |
| 20:39.18 | thebigdog | i however am not that sys admin |
| 20:39.35 | mgeary | ~n00b thebigdog |
| 20:39.43 | thebigdog | oh yes |
| 20:47.07 | fungus | I have seen sendmail do some amazing things, but the magical "modem noise" required to do it, is quite painful |
| 21:09.21 | synic | who's on comcast? |
| 21:11.50 | tierra | synic: I can ssh into home (on Comcast) |
| 21:12.00 | synic | wanna give that ping another try? |
| 21:12.06 | tierra | sure |
| 21:12.12 | synic | I doubt it will work, but it'd sure be awesome if it did |
| 21:13.36 | tierra | still no A record |
| 21:13.42 | synic | bleh. |
| 21:13.44 | tierra | but this looks a little different: |
| 21:13.44 | tierra | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 21:13.45 | tierra | ;beta.sendoutcards.com. IN A |
| 21:13.45 | tierra | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 21:13.45 | tierra | sendoutcards.com. 209 IN SOA newmvec.viawest.net. hostmaster.viawest.net. 15 43200 7200 1209600 3600 |
| 21:14.19 | synic | brb |
| 21:14.42 | tierra | it's weird cuz if I tell dig to look it up on ns1.sendoutcards.com, it gets the right IP |
| 21:14.49 | tierra | i.e. dig beta.sendoutcards.com @ns1.sendoutcards.com |
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| 21:19.54 | tierra | this is very odd... I have a form with a select in it, and the selected option correctly selects in IE, Safari, and FF on Win, but not in FF on Mac... heh |
| 21:29.48 | carmony | I'm on comcast |
| 21:30.41 | tierra | ah, that was dumb, turns out it wasn't selecting because it was keeping the same value I had in it before I hit refresh (saving form info across page loads) |
| 21:45.46 | unum | I use enter to avoid that |
| 22:15.35 | thebigdog | having a crappy db really sucks |
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| 22:53.49 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 22:53.50 | jbot | throws mgeary's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 22:53.54 | mgeary | wth |
| 22:54.06 | mgeary | well, one less MSCE in the world, i suppose |
| 22:54.16 | herlo | it's MCSE |
| 22:54.19 | herlo | :) |
| 22:54.25 | mgeary | ah, well |
| 22:54.38 | herlo | http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.mspx |
| 22:54.48 | herlo | an MSCE is probably something useful |
| 22:54.53 | herlo | well, wait |
| 22:54.54 | mgeary | hahah |
| 22:54.54 | josephscott | 9 year olds in India are getting MSCE's now |
| 22:54.57 | herlo | nm |
| 22:55.06 | herlo | it's probably not |
| 22:55.12 | carmony | A+ is the best |
| 22:55.12 | josephscott | MCSE |
| 23:18.00 | dataw0lf | Where all da white women at?! |
| 23:20.34 | mgeary | #phpwomen, of course |
| 23:21.52 | dataw0lf | trying to set that quote as my ringtone |
| 23:22.42 | mgeary | hey, i can't recall offhand. Does a subclass need to re-declare protected/public variables declared in a superclass? |
| 23:22.49 | mgeary | it doesn't, does it? |
| 23:23.12 | dataw0lf | nope. |
| 23:23.28 | mgeary | can you/do you declare variables in an interface, or just functions? |
| 23:24.08 | dataw0lf | just methods. |
| 23:24.20 | mgeary | thot so |
| 23:24.58 | dataw0lf | i think you can declare constants |
| 23:25.05 | dataw0lf | but I'm unsure |
| 23:30.05 | thebigdog | declare constants in interfaces |
| 23:31.12 | thebigdog | if you class implements interface(s) |
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| 23:49.52 | unum | so I have a situation in javascript where I want an associative array |
| 23:49.59 | mgeary | use an object |
| 23:50.18 | unum | mgeary: how do I get a count of how many items I've added? |
| 23:50.54 | mgeary | well, if you don't have any object prototyping going on, you may be able to use object.length() |
| 23:52.35 | mgeary | nope |
| 23:53.38 | unum | really I just need to know if I've added one or more pairs |
| 23:55.45 | mgeary | not sure offhand. I've done things like that, but it's been a while, and i usually just do a "for i in x" through an object |