| 00:00.22 | itimber | Wrapping up for the day |
| 00:00.27 | itimber | catch ya'll later |
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| 04:05.31 | jgiboney | I am having a sql problem, when I group this query ( http://expresslanevideo.com/wip/sqlproblem.txt ), I get 216 in the count, but if its not grouped, i get 26 rows, why? |
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| 07:40.21 | mgeary | hey, anyone around? |
| 07:40.35 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 07:40.36 | jbot | beats optikal into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
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| 11:31.25 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 11:31.25 | jbot | pries macnewbold's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to macnewbold |
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| 16:13.32 | thebigdog | top o' the morning all |
| 16:14.34 | jsmith | morning thebigdog |
| 16:15.24 | mgeary | mornin' |
| 16:16.00 | mindjuju | mgeary, you were up late |
| 16:16.06 | mindjuju | do you still need help with something? |
| 16:16.07 | mgeary | not really |
| 16:16.11 | mgeary | naw, i got it |
| 16:16.22 | mgeary | was looking for a way to strip out a specific DB from a huge mysqldump file |
| 16:16.32 | mgeary | my GUI editors were choking on the filesize |
| 16:16.38 | mgeary | but vi did the trick |
| 16:16.38 | mindjuju | ah |
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| 17:43.09 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:43.10 | jbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at josephscott |
| 17:50.44 | mgeary | i know, how idiotic is that? |
| 17:50.54 | mgeary | 2 of the top 25 iphone apps are farting apps |
| 17:50.57 | mgeary | i mean, c'mon people |
| 17:52.03 | josephscott | mindjuju: I'm scheduled for Feb. right? |
| 17:52.13 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:52.28 | josephscott | cool, wanted to make sure I remembered that right :-) |
| 17:52.57 | mindjuju | have you decided what to present on? I remember you were considering jquery and a couple other things |
| 17:53.41 | josephscott | no, I was thinking of soliciting the email list, I'm fine either way, but I know some folks might get tired of hearing about WordPress from me all the time :-) |
| 17:54.18 | mindjuju | talking about wordpress, some sneak peeks or insider info on wp2.8 might be cool |
| 17:54.40 | mindjuju | i saw a page somewhere on allowing users to help prioritize 2.8 goals |
| 17:54.54 | josephscott | a poll was put up recently |
| 18:01.37 | herlo | mindjuju: josephscott: I wrote and published my first wordpress plugin last night :) |
| 18:01.46 | herlo | http://sexysexypenguins.com/wordpress-tools/ |
| 18:02.07 | mgeary | dang, herlo, i wanted that domain |
| 18:02.13 | herlo | mgeary: haha |
| 18:02.24 | herlo | mgeary: I've had that domain for going on 2 years now |
| 18:02.27 | josephscott | herlo: nice |
| 18:02.50 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 18:02.51 | herlo | josephscott: thx, I need to publish it in the wp codex now, but I wanted to get the word out about it first ... |
| 18:03.01 | herlo | I'll have another plugin to publish probably tonight/tomorrow |
| 18:04.43 | herlo | it was for this site: http://chasesagum.com/ihatemyx, I didn't do the design! |
| 18:04.51 | herlo | I have one bug to fix to make it worth looking at though |
| 18:06.10 | josephscott | I hate my x? No axes to grind there :-) |
| 18:07.56 | herlo | http://chasesagum.com/ihatemyx/ |
| 18:07.59 | herlo | look again |
| 18:08.13 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:08.19 | PoeticIntensity | great pic there, herlo |
| 18:08.37 | herlo | yeah, thus the reason I *had* to fix it |
| 18:10.02 | josephscott | at least it was just a finger |
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| 18:12.11 | itimber | morning guys |
| 18:12.17 | PoeticIntensity | barely. |
| 18:21.36 | mgeary | ~stagger itimber |
| 18:23.42 | itimber | har har |
| 18:25.01 | itimber | ~jealous mgeary |
| 18:25.11 | mgeary | ~totally mgeary |
| 18:25.25 | itimber | ~c'mon jbot |
| 18:25.35 | mindjuju | dance, jbot |
| 18:25.43 | mindjuju | ~jbot dance |
| 18:25.44 | jbot | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 18:26.11 | mindjuju | what is that? the macarena ? |
| 18:27.40 | itimber | I would make a joke at jbot's expense.... but it appears he has more rhythm than I do |
| 18:28.02 | itimber | and better dance moves |
| 18:47.25 | wps | well that was some fun scroll back to come back to |
| 18:54.28 | herlo | wps: yer welcome! |
| 19:05.09 | mindjuju | didn't we determine the Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 was a bad deal? |
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| 19:20.12 | carmony | anyone here play Left 4 Dead? |
| 19:21.04 | unum | I know one of the programmers |
| 19:21.08 | unum | but I haven't played it yet |
| 19:21.28 | carmony | that game is too fun |
| 19:21.32 | carmony | who do you know at Valve? |
| 19:21.34 | unum | when he brought it down for me to play it I ended up having a family emergency |
| 19:21.50 | unum | his name is eric tams he just started about six months ago |
| 19:21.56 | unum | so he didn't do much on that game |
| 19:22.01 | itimber | ~family_emergency-- |
| 19:24.05 | carmony | Cool :) I talked with Gabe Newell a few times, but that was like 7 years ago |
| 19:25.59 | mindjuju | i heard good things about left 4 dead |
| 19:26.06 | mindjuju | but can't really start a new game |
| 19:26.13 | mindjuju | TF2 takes up way too much time as it is |
| 19:27.35 | herlo | something entertaining for everyone: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/mar/09/blogs |
| 19:28.40 | mindjuju | <gag>huffpo as num 1?</gag> |
| 19:28.45 | mindjuju | psh |
| 19:29.18 | herlo | lol |
| 19:29.22 | herlo | keep reading |
| 19:31.47 | unum | I think the democratic party is a little bit too "big tent" for me sometimes. I mean come on Hilary Rosen and Lawrence Lessig. That's just wrong |
| 19:35.15 | herlo | 47. Angry black bitch <-- my favorite named blog |
| 19:36.13 | unum | I don't see how you can leave /. off a list like that |
| 19:36.55 | herlo | unum: /. is past it's prime according to many |
| 19:36.55 | mindjuju | yeah, not a big fan of the list |
| 19:37.03 | mindjuju | digg not on there |
| 19:37.10 | herlo | blog |
| 19:37.15 | herlo | digg is *not* a blog |
| 19:37.19 | mindjuju | maybe 50 best left leaning blog |
| 19:37.29 | mindjuju | yeah, what is a blog these days? |
| 19:37.32 | herlo | it's an opinion for sure :) |
| 19:37.38 | mindjuju | surely not a web log |
| 19:37.43 | herlo | hehe |
| 19:37.48 | mindjuju | for some blgo = diary |
| 19:37.57 | mindjuju | for others, it means another thing |
| 19:38.05 | mindjuju | boing boing is on there |
| 19:38.29 | mindjuju | any ways, i'm disgruntled now that i saw the list, went ahead and navigated to huffpo and read 3 articles |
| 19:38.45 | mindjuju | <grr>huffpo</grr> |
| 19:38.53 | mindjuju | talk about poeple who tell it like it ain't |
| 19:38.56 | herlo | sorry :( |
| 19:39.03 | mindjuju | not your fault herlo |
| 19:39.10 | mindjuju | mine, i clicked the huffpo link |
| 19:39.12 | mindjuju | i know better |
| 19:39.34 | herlo | yeah, but I did entice you :) |
| 19:40.52 | mindjuju | yeah, here i was doing really well on this one project, then hit this article - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/28/franken-should-be-seated_n_153796.html |
| 19:41.14 | mindjuju | i mean, if they were going to rush and try to seat somebody, why not the incumbent who was winning 2 weeks ago? |
| 19:41.29 | mindjuju | oh, but now that fraken is winning, it's like... let's seat him, quick! |
| 19:41.33 | mindjuju | psh |
| 19:41.42 | mindjuju | if ya gonna recount, then recount and lets wait and see |
| 19:41.52 | unum | though he probably is going to win. the disputed ballots are in his favor |
| 19:42.17 | mindjuju | yeah, from what i've read nobody in minnesota likes either candidate and either loser is expected to take to court |
| 19:42.34 | mindjuju | 42% of the populous likes you isn't a clear mandate |
| 19:42.58 | herlo | mandate - where all the men in the room hold hands and look at each other shyly |
| 19:43.15 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:43.21 | mindjuju | took me a moment to get it |
| 19:43.23 | herlo | oh, it was funnier than that! |
| 19:44.13 | unum | mindjuju: I like how it works here. our candidates get 70% of the vote and I can't find one person that likes them |
| 19:44.32 | mindjuju | you mean hatch? |
| 19:44.43 | unum | ya he'd be the one that most fits that description |
| 19:44.46 | mindjuju | he's got issues, but man i hate to loose a senior senator |
| 19:44.51 | herlo | I liked Huntsman, Jr |
| 19:44.55 | herlo | s/ed/e/ |
| 19:44.59 | unum | I know people that like huntsman, and matheson |
| 19:45.07 | unum | though I don't know anyone that likes bishop |
| 19:45.13 | herlo | mindjuju: Hatch as *got* to go! |
| 19:45.22 | herlo | he's part of the problem with the Republicans |
| 19:45.34 | unum | hatch represent the republican delegates very well |
| 19:45.38 | unum | but not anyone else |
| 19:46.24 | herlo | most people in utah vote for him because they are sheeop |
| 19:46.28 | herlo | s/eop/ep |
| 19:46.34 | herlo | s/eop/ep/ |
| 19:46.37 | herlo | lol |
| 19:47.10 | unum | I thought maybe you meant to say sheeple |
| 19:47.26 | unum | in layton people vote for him because he brings in most of the money to their economy |
| 19:47.34 | unum | at least he convinces them of that |
| 19:52.18 | mindjuju | unum, hatch representing the republicans well isn't so unusual. I don't expect obama to go around and espouse republican rhetoric, because... |
| 19:52.22 | mindjuju | he's democrat |
| 19:52.28 | mindjuju | he's going to do demo things |
| 19:52.43 | mindjuju | he might throw a bone to the repubs, but you know... |
| 19:52.47 | mindjuju | he's demo! |
| 19:52.53 | mindjuju | same but in reverse for hatch |
| 19:54.54 | herlo | unum: yeah, that tood |
| 19:55.00 | herlo | s/od/o/ |
| 19:55.01 | herlo | man! |
| 19:57.16 | unum | mindjuju: it's just funny to me that most people I know who consider themselves republican don't even like him |
| 19:57.21 | unum | just the delegates |
| 19:57.31 | unum | except my brother, who voted against him |
| 19:59.51 | mindjuju | yeah, i've heard a lot of disgruntled complaints about hatch, but i think for the most part, and i'm certainly in this case, when properly weighted, a grievance about an issue or issues doesn't weigh enough for the alternative, a new senator |
| 20:00.37 | unum | well the alternative is to go to the mass meeting or vote for a democrat |
| 20:00.48 | unum | and I don't think most people consider those viable options |
| 20:04.45 | carmony | ;) |
| 20:05.21 | jsmith | unum: Ever think that by pushing your politics on people, that you're pushing them away? Politics isn't a shouting match, and the loudest proponent isn't necessarily right. |
| 20:05.22 | carmony | Here is my political position: O |
| 20:06.07 | unum | jsmith: I adjust my approach according to the situation |
| 20:06.20 | carmony | 1) While I vote and try to make a difference, I've settled on the fact that I'm going to get ripped off by the goverment for the most part for the rest of my life :P |
| 20:06.59 | carmony | 2) I'm not going to rely on the goverment for my retirement, my healthcare, etc. I'm planning to pay out of pocket. |
| 20:07.05 | carmony | this way, I'm never disappointed! :D |
| 20:07.36 | unum | I work with candidates so I have some leverage when it comes to wicked goverment backed private monopolies wanting to cut down my trees I'll have some leverage |
| 20:07.45 | jsmith | carmony: Just be glad you don't get all the government you pay for! |
| 20:07.46 | jsmith | carmony: That would be even worse than what we've got :-p |
| 20:09.03 | unum | I wonder if i could afford to pay health care out of pocket |
| 20:09.28 | unum | I can only get insuarance through a company policy |
| 20:10.25 | unum | so all of you self employed people out there: I hate you. |
| 20:10.39 | carmony | Yeah, I'm still paying $1k a month for my wife. |
| 20:10.39 | mgeary | unum: have you checked out HIP? |
| 20:11.12 | mgeary | i had a personal ins. policy for years for me & my kids, and my wife had her own policy through HIP |
| 20:11.28 | mgeary | the cost was surprisingly comparable to what my company's premiums are |
| 20:11.47 | mgeary | unum: have you actually tried applying for a private policy? |
| 20:12.38 | unum | mgeary: no, but I have a hard time believing anyone wolud want to insure someone with lupis |
| 20:12.38 | mgeary | well, hence HIP |
| 20:12.39 | mgeary | HIP is the Health Insurance Pool, backed by the state |
| 20:12.54 | mgeary | you are only eligible if you've been declined for a normal policy |
| 20:13.11 | mgeary | my wife has had multiple open-heart operations |
| 20:13.30 | mgeary | surely no less expensive than treating lupis |
| 20:13.32 | unum | sweet |
| 20:13.49 | mgeary | what you need to do is apply for a normal policy, and see what comes back |
| 20:13.54 | mgeary | they will either: |
| 20:13.55 | unum | so far my symptons are minor. I take a generic medicine. |
| 20:13.58 | mgeary | 1) decline you outright |
| 20:14.06 | mgeary | 2) offer you a policy at a rated-up amount |
| 20:14.14 | unum | mgeary: thanks that's nice to know about |
| 20:14.27 | mgeary | i've got battle scars |
| 20:15.07 | carmony | do you know if HIP covers maternity? |
| 20:16.32 | mgeary | it does |
| 20:16.43 | mgeary | which makes an important distinction from a normal private policy |
| 20:16.58 | mgeary | however, there are some VERY important details that apply when you actually do have a baby |
| 20:17.19 | mgeary | you need to be sure you add your baby to the HIP policy right after birth |
| 20:17.40 | mgeary | he/she can only be on there for ~30 days unless declined by a "normal" policy |
| 20:17.55 | mgeary | however, HIP will cover hospital costs for those 30 days, which is very, very important |
| 20:18.05 | carmony | The only problem is to get my wife to qualify for HIP, she has to have her current policy laps. |
| 20:18.13 | mgeary | no |
| 20:18.22 | mgeary | that won't qualify her |
| 20:18.37 | mgeary | does your wife have health issues? |
| 20:18.41 | carmony | yes |
| 20:18.51 | mgeary | but she's currently on a group plan? |
| 20:18.51 | carmony | we tried to get her a private insurance and it declined us |
| 20:18.54 | mgeary | well then |
| 20:18.57 | mgeary | she can apply for HIP |
| 20:19.05 | mgeary | all you have to do is show them that she was declined |
| 20:20.54 | unum | mgeary: if the private policy offers you a rated-up amount can you still apply for hip? |
| 20:21.00 | mgeary | no |
| 20:21.12 | mgeary | however, even a rated-up private policy may be worth taking |
| 20:21.22 | unum | ya. |
| 20:21.25 | mgeary | the most they can rate you up is, i believe, 75% |
| 20:21.33 | mgeary | which does indeed sound like highway robbery |
| 20:21.39 | mgeary | but the alternative is worse |
| 20:22.05 | mgeary | and it should come to less than $1k/month, not sure what the deal is with carmony's wife |
| 20:22.33 | unum | less than $1k/month per person? |
| 20:22.35 | mgeary | my wife was, i believe, about $400/month with HIP, my policy for me and my 3 kids was also about $400/month |
| 20:22.52 | mgeary | of course, they do raise your rates about 10% every year |
| 20:22.56 | mgeary | just 'cause they can |
| 20:23.22 | unum | the owner of my company considers a 10% hike a good year |
| 20:23.28 | carmony | I had to go on a convergance plan with altius |
| 20:23.46 | carmony | for my wife |
| 20:24.00 | carmony | cause I left my old company, which then terminated their policy |
| 20:24.05 | mgeary | don't know what a convergence plan is |
| 20:24.07 | carmony | so I Couldn't do cobra |
| 20:24.36 | carmony | a Convergence plan is a plan that a health insurance company is required to offer if you're current plan is going to expire |
| 20:24.48 | carmony | the problem, there are no laws on the cost of that plan |
| 20:25.00 | mgeary | so why not look into a private plan? |
| 20:25.14 | mgeary | from IHC or BCBS? |
| 20:25.26 | mgeary | 'cause their costs *are* regulated |
| 20:26.06 | carmony | Well, she got denied for a private plan for select med |
| 20:26.16 | mgeary | so she's eligible for HIP |
| 20:27.05 | carmony | Some lady I talked to said as long as she has her convergance plan, she can't qualify |
| 20:27.19 | carmony | she was an insurance agent |
| 20:27.27 | carmony | I probably should call HIP and get a straight answer |
| 20:27.33 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:27.41 | mgeary | they're pretty decent to work with |
| 20:27.49 | carmony | I hate Altius |
| 20:27.56 | carmony | they lost one of my faxes SEVEN times |
| 20:28.00 | carmony | SEVEN! |
| 20:28.20 | carmony | Took me two years to get some money back from them |
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| 20:39.57 | carmony | lol, was looking at a guys website for his previous work, and here was is very first project: http://screencast.com/t/X3jKKdlg4 |
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| 21:21.55 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 21:21.55 | jbot | keeps mailing macnewbold free America Online CDs until he drowns |
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| 21:37.11 | jsmith | unum: In case you didn't find it... http://www.pgsql.cz/index.php/PostgreSQL_SQL_Tricks#Getting_list_of_comma_separated_items |
| 21:42.07 | unum | jsmith: thanks |
| 21:46.08 | jsmith | unum: Well, I may not agree with your politics, but I'm more than happy to help you with PostgreSQL :-p |
| 21:46.49 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:46.53 | unum | of course my postgres is being used to help people who's poltics I don't agree with :) |
| 21:48.29 | wps | ~politic |
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| 21:50.20 | jsmith | unum: That's OK... my Asterisk skills are being used to help telemarketers... so I'd say we're even :-p |
| 21:51.43 | mindjuju | which reminds me jsmith, have you heard of / what do you think of http://www.fonality.com ? |
| 21:52.14 | jsmith | mindjuju: Oh, I've heard of them |
| 21:52.23 | mindjuju | heard good or bad? |
| 21:52.50 | jsmith | mindjuju: Well... let's just say I'm biased and leave it at that... wouldn't wanna taint your opinion |
| 21:53.23 | wps | they have a product called HUD 3.0? |
| 21:53.43 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:54.42 | wps | "Nelson! We've got a serious issue with our telecommunications! Get some HUD in here and fix it!" |
| 21:56.55 | wps | (and yes, I am familiar with the acronym⦠I just wouldn't name my product that) |
| 21:57.30 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:57.49 | wps | quotes from their website: |
| 21:57.58 | wps | "HUD is spectacular!" |
| 21:58.01 | jsmith | Yes they do |
| 21:58.09 | wps | "We love HUD - it has become essential for our sales organization." |
| 21:58.23 | wps | a header: "Get to Know HUD" |
| 21:58.26 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:58.46 | wps | another: "The Benefits of HUD" |
| 22:00.55 | mgeary | ~seen fungus |
| 22:00.58 | jbot | fungus <n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 13d 53m 38s ago, saying: 'I wouldn't call myself a VirtualBox user, but I played with it for an hour or so.'. |
| 22:01.42 | mgeary | hrm |
| 22:01.53 | mgeary | goDaddy isn't updating my dns, curse them |
| 22:02.18 | mindjuju | mgeary, i actually go tan email from godaddy saying major server maintenece during the holiday season |
| 22:02.25 | wps | I'd recommend everydns for DNS, they rock |
| 22:02.28 | mindjuju | that ftp would be delayed |
| 22:03.09 | mgeary | ERROR: You have one or more lame nameservers. These are nameservers that do NOT answer authoritatively for your domain. This is bad; for example, these nameservers may never get updated. The following nameservers are lame: |
| 22:03.09 | mgeary | 216.69.185.32 |
| 22:03.10 | mgeary | 208.109.255.32 |
| 22:03.17 | mgeary | that's what DNSreports is telling me |
| 22:04.20 | wps | thanks, mindjuju, I just wasted fifteen minutes clicking around that fonality wesbsite |
| 22:04.38 | wps | even went deep enough to comments on the CEO's blog |
| 22:04.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:05.21 | mindjuju | commenting on badly named products (HUD) > shoveling snow |
| 22:05.39 | wps | hmmâ¦Â that's a hard one |
| 22:05.54 | wps | I actually really enjoy shoveling snow |
| 22:06.33 | wps | my back hates it, but the little boy inside me loves it |
| 22:09.20 | mindjuju | well, i hope all the snow we got is all the snow we get for this year |
| 22:09.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:11.15 | DexterTheDragon | need more |
| 22:11.30 | mindjuju | nah, let's just let april showers catch us up on the water |
| 22:11.42 | mindjuju | no more snow / ice / hail / sleet necessary |
| 22:12.23 | jsmith | mindjuju: Send the rest my direction, would you please? |
| 22:13.04 | mindjuju | i'll just have my son pray for snow in Virginia. he was praying twice diaily for snow... that ws like 2 days before we got dumped on |
| 22:13.04 | unum | we use snow pack as a kind of natural resivoir |
| 22:13.27 | mindjuju | i've asked him nicely to please stop |
| 22:13.31 | mindjuju | as dad doesn't like the snow |
| 22:13.32 | unum | so if there is not enough snow in the mountains we have a drout |
| 22:13.43 | unum | it also messes us up if it melts to fast in the spring |
| 22:26.17 | mindjuju | today's 80's moment brought you by Aquafresh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXIBjo8gWEE&eurl=http://blogmaverick.com/ |
| 23:17.52 | mgeary | dang hiccups |
| 23:17.57 | mgeary | had 'em all freaking day |
| 23:18.26 | mindjuju | mgeary, taxes are going up for everybody! |
| 23:18.43 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:18.45 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:18.59 | mgeary | we liberals aren't scared of taxes |
| 23:19.30 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:19.55 | mindjuju | mgeary, i'm truly glad that at the end of the day, we can laugh about politics too |
| 23:20.30 | mgeary | maybe that's the true indicator of a centrist |
| 23:21.24 | mindjuju | true, true |
| 23:45.06 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 23:45.25 | macnewbold | mindjuju: afk for a few minutes, but back soon if that's okay? |
| 23:45.55 | mindjuju | k |
| 23:56.49 | itimber | I'm out... going to a meeting with a new potential client..... wish me luck |