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| 14:50.32 | carmony | Good mornig |
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| 15:44.33 | mindjuju | carmony - i'm back for a quick moment then off again for a 9a meet |
| 15:44.35 | mindjuju | what up? |
| 15:44.43 | mindjuju | ~lart utah_dave |
| 15:44.43 | jbot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses utah_dave down |
| 15:44.50 | mindjuju | sup bro, saw you were looking for me |
| 15:44.55 | Utah_Dave | ~whaleslap mindjuju |
| 15:44.56 | jbot | ACTION beats mindjuju upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:45.01 | carmony | did you ever get that video done... |
| 15:45.03 | carmony | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.14 | carmony | I have a few people I know who would love to see it :) |
| 15:45.23 | mindjuju | yup, got it done, but decided to hide it from ya |
| 15:46.04 | mindjuju | the moment they are don,e promise to IM ya |
| 15:46.06 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:46.09 | carmony | lol, k :) |
| 15:52.06 | carmony | Everyone having a good holiday season? :) |
| 15:52.58 | orsonj | so far, so good. |
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| 15:56.53 | Utah_Dave | ~pastebin |
| 15:56.54 | jbot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 16:33.54 | DexterTheDragon | ~monday |
| 16:33.55 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 16:34.56 | carmony | amen! |
| 16:34.57 | carmony | :P |
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| 16:58.41 | DexterTheDragon | when it reaches six days can it really be called a weekend? |
| 16:59.29 | _psychic_ | It all depends on your perspective, I guess. |
| 16:59.38 | _psychic_ | In some ways, isn't the beginning of the week, also the end? |
| 17:01.13 | unum | I think it was in here I was talking about the new girl I'm dating |
| 17:01.27 | unum | she invited me over on saturday and we played bubble bobble |
| 17:01.39 | unum | after she made me chinese food :) |
| 17:01.43 | mindjuju | yeah, the geeky one that was teaching ya stuff about xmen ? |
| 17:01.54 | unum | mindjuju: ya that's the one |
| 17:01.54 | mindjuju | she likes chinese food? |
| 17:02.09 | mindjuju | that's freakin' awesome! |
| 17:02.10 | unum | she lived in singapore for a year |
| 17:02.19 | DexterTheDragon | sounds like she _makes_ chinese food |
| 17:02.32 | unum | the food was yummy |
| 17:02.36 | mindjuju | i've had to con tiff into going to PF Chang , but she likes it now |
| 17:02.55 | mindjuju | in about a year or two, i might be able to get her to eat sushi |
| 17:02.59 | _psychic_ | the ending for bubble bobble was so anti-climactic. |
| 17:03.25 | mindjuju | she makes chinese food? |
| 17:03.35 | mindjuju | like what? |
| 17:04.32 | eggyknap | DexterTheDragon: lol :) |
| 17:06.40 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 17:06.49 | mindjuju | in a naughty, creative way |
| 17:11.44 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: you like sushi? |
| 17:15.26 | mindjuju | yeah, it's good |
| 17:15.54 | mindjuju | i like the japanese way of eating it on a conveyor belt, but happy sumo was yum |
| 17:15.59 | mindjuju | with herlo making the calls |
| 17:16.01 | unum | she made egg rolls, ham fried, and egg drop soup |
| 17:16.07 | mindjuju | otherwise, wouldn't have known what to get |
| 17:16.17 | mindjuju | unum, that's awesome! |
| 17:16.32 | unum | I think she can make pho as well |
| 17:16.44 | mindjuju | pho i don't know |
| 17:16.49 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: there's a killer sushi place in AF I found |
| 17:16.49 | mgeary | is it just me or has the sports content on digg been obnoxiously abundant lately? |
| 17:16.55 | _psychic_ | we went there on Saturday night |
| 17:17.12 | mindjuju | what's it called? |
| 17:17.18 | herlo | mindjuju: hehe, tx |
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| 17:17.48 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: Sushi House |
| 17:17.55 | _psychic_ | looks like a dump from the outside |
| 17:17.57 | mindjuju | herlo, how's the new job? |
| 17:18.00 | _psychic_ | but the food is amazing |
| 17:18.01 | herlo | _psychic_: where be that? |
| 17:18.10 | herlo | mindjuju: it's alright so far |
| 17:18.11 | _psychic_ | right off the 5th East exit |
| 17:18.19 | mindjuju | wife owes me one, maybe we'll go here this week |
| 17:18.23 | _psychic_ | very first right if you're coming from the south |
| 17:18.35 | herlo | _psychic_: american fork? |
| 17:18.37 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:18.42 | _psychic_ | $14 all you can eat lunch |
| 17:18.45 | _psychic_ | $19 dinner |
| 17:18.53 | _psychic_ | today |
| 17:18.56 | unum | pho is south east asia I think mostly vietnam |
| 17:18.59 | unum | it's a soup |
| 17:18.59 | herlo | living in SLC |
| 17:19.33 | herlo | unum: there's a restaurant in Bellevue, Washington called 'What the pho?' |
| 17:20.02 | unum | there are a lot of pho restraunts up there. that's where I first had it. |
| 17:20.28 | herlo | :) |
| 17:20.40 | unum | my coworker loves pei wei we go there once a week |
| 17:20.46 | unum | we just planned to go there today |
| 17:21.49 | mindjuju | unum, see if she knows Jiaozi, that's my fav |
| 17:22.07 | mindjuju | it's hard to make though |
| 17:22.43 | mindjuju | seems like it took forever to make too |
| 17:23.01 | unum | I love those |
| 17:23.35 | unum | one time a girl in my ward who served in tiawan invited a bunch of people over and we made those |
| 17:24.00 | mindjuju | yup, way good |
| 17:24.01 | unum | I got full on them it was so nice |
| 17:24.18 | unum | because at a restraunt they often cost you like a dollar a pice |
| 17:24.20 | unum | piece |
| 17:25.00 | mindjuju | which is crazy considering how many you'd get for $1 in China |
| 17:25.18 | mindjuju | i treated 4 of my friends to a dinner of Jiaozi and it was like $3 |
| 17:25.25 | mindjuju | and we were stuffed for like the whole day |
| 17:25.34 | unum | I had a friend who went to china for a month and ate mcdonalds the whole time |
| 17:25.39 | unum | sometimes I want to kill him |
| 17:26.12 | mindjuju | yeah, i know a lot of expats that do that |
| 17:26.17 | mindjuju | it's like, what's the point? |
| 17:39.04 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 17:44.08 | mgeary | big flakes been coming down for an hour now |
| 17:44.18 | mgeary | mindjuju: what'd your wife end up doing on her drive to Oakland? |
| 17:48.14 | carmony | Mmmm.... chineese food |
| 17:49.17 | mindjuju | mgeary, they decided to stay in Reno and play it safe, then do the pass the next day (Saturday) |
| 17:49.34 | mindjuju | which turned out to still be bad then, so they played in Reno and got home last night |
| 17:49.57 | mindjuju | go figure, takes 18 hours for them to get to Reno and like 36 hours to get home |
| 17:50.03 | mindjuju | she owes me big |
| 17:50.17 | mindjuju | plus, Corban was sick for 18 ~ 24 of those hours |
| 17:50.22 | mindjuju | so that's double whammy there |
| 17:50.29 | mindjuju | triple point score, even |
| 17:54.12 | carmony | lol, sounds like a big mess :P |
| 17:55.04 | herlo | mindjuju: I drove to and from SoCal Friday night to this morning (arrived home at 4am), snow was unforgiving |
| 17:55.44 | herlo | but I followed an awesome semi driver (on the way there) who created a nice clean roadway for me :) |
| 17:56.03 | herlo | on the way home, it was only bad from about Nephi to SLC, but a lot of people off the road |
| 17:56.27 | herlo | so I am sure it was rough up there due to the snow in Taho |
| 17:56.30 | herlo | Tahoe |
| 18:03.03 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:03.11 | mindjuju | i'm glad they played it safe |
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| 18:32.23 | unum | it's not snowing here |
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| 18:48.32 | Utah_Dave | yes! finally got an irc client on my G1! |
| 18:49.06 | orsonj | cool |
| 18:49.06 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 18:49.08 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 18:49.46 | Utah_Dave | it's pretty basic though. but it works |
| 18:51.30 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart |
| 18:51.31 | jbot | executes killall -KILL mrkrow |
| 18:52.29 | SunSparc | Anyone have any opinions on "FPDF vs R&OS PDF"? |
| 18:55.29 | orsonj | I haven't used either |
| 18:55.56 | carmony | ~rlart |
| 18:55.57 | jbot | offers orsonj some herring |
| 18:55.58 | mgeary | nor i |
| 18:56.01 | _psychic_ | Zend has a nice lib too SunSparc |
| 18:56.05 | mgeary | what exactly do you want to do, SunSparc ? |
| 18:57.29 | _psychic_ | mgeary: he wants to make PDFs |
| 18:57.40 | mgeary | ~lart _psychic_ |
| 18:57.40 | jbot | blames _psychic_ for all the evil in the world |
| 18:57.54 | carmony | I personally need all my PDF solutions to be able to make Jell-o... if it can't do that, it can't meet my standards of greatness. |
| 18:58.58 | orsonj | I think he actually wants to have a web based printer. pdf is just an itermediary to the print driver. The paper prints instructions for folding origami jell-o molds. |
| 19:00.53 | SunSparc | Hehe, _psychic_ is correct, mgeary, I do want to make PDF's. |
| 19:00.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:01.03 | orsonj | drat! |
| 19:01.08 | _psychic_ | ~lart mgeary |
| 19:01.08 | jbot | hauls mgeary up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 19:01.17 | mgeary | SunSparc: what kind of PDFs? |
| 19:01.41 | SunSparc | I have been using FPDF. It is pretty quick an easy to develop with. I am just finding that I need a bit more control over the resulting PDF's and wondering if perhaps R&OS PDF is more advance. |
| 19:01.52 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Have you used the Zend lib? |
| 19:02.11 | _psychic_ | yup |
| 19:02.25 | SunSparc | mgeary: What kind of PDF's? I don't understand the question. |
| 19:02.38 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Is it pretty good? |
| 19:02.45 | _psychic_ | carmony: it's asyncronous |
| 19:02.52 | _psychic_ | and you pick up hints from others in the channel |
| 19:02.59 | _psychic_ | and larts |
| 19:03.27 | carmony | ~rlart |
| 19:03.28 | jbot | flings poo at DexterTheDragon |
| 19:03.28 | SunSparc | carmony: See: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080603120251.htm |
| 19:03.29 | mgeary | SunSparc: are you dynamically generating CD labels? receipts? books? highly-designed pieces? |
| 19:03.37 | SunSparc | carmony: and ... http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/getting_real_the_alone_time_zone.php |
| 19:03.40 | mgeary | charts? tables? |
| 19:04.14 | SunSparc | mgeary: Newsletters |
| 19:04.16 | mgeary | the nature of the PDF/content plays a role in how best to create it, imo |
| 19:04.29 | mgeary | SunSparc: so you need to flow text around graphics and such? |
| 19:04.43 | SunSparc | mgeary: Mostly text. |
| 19:04.58 | mgeary | have you looked at HTMLdoc? |
| 19:05.14 | mgeary | it allows you to use an HTML paradigm which is very useful for things like flowing text around images |
| 19:05.16 | SunSparc | mgeary: No, does it produce PDFs? |
| 19:05.18 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:05.36 | mgeary | the biggest headache is that it supports a fairly old standard of HTML. 2.x, i believe |
| 19:05.40 | mgeary | so you can't use CSS |
| 19:05.49 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 19:05.51 | _psychic_ | may be tough to get pixel-perfect results, too. |
| 19:06.03 | mgeary | now, if you want to generate these on a Mac server, you can do all kinds of CSS-styled PDF creation |
| 19:06.15 | mgeary | _psychic_: we've had great results for years with htmldoc |
| 19:06.38 | mgeary | however, i've never used fdf or rd&os |
| 19:06.48 | mgeary | r&os, rather |
| 19:07.31 | mgeary | but a large portion of the pain of creating a PDF on the fly is often knowing where/how to position discrete elements. Using an HTML model can eliminate much of that pain |
| 19:07.32 | SunSparc | Thanks _psychic_ and mgeary for the PDF lib tips. |
| 19:10.26 | orsonj | something like prince might be worth checking into. ( http://www.princexml.com/ ) |
| 19:10.49 | mgeary | yeah, i looked into that a while ago |
| 19:10.55 | mgeary | though i seem to recall it's not cheap |
| 19:11.12 | mgeary | yeah 3800 for a server license |
| 19:13.08 | SunSparc | Yikes! That is more than the PDFlib stuff. |
| 19:13.36 | orsonj | the samples on their site look amazing though |
| 19:13.51 | orsonj | but yeah, that is way expensive |
| 19:13.56 | SunSparc | They better be. |
| 19:22.00 | orsonj | LaTex might be an angle worth checking |
| 19:45.12 | jsmith | SunSparc: You might want to check out ReportLab as well... www.reportlab.org |
| 19:45.59 | jsmith | SunSparc: and, of course, my personal favorite for generating good looking documentation in PDF files, DocBook |
| 19:46.29 | SunSparc | Are these PHP libs? |
| 19:46.40 | jsmith | Neither is |
| 19:46.46 | jsmith | reportlab is Python |
| 19:47.25 | jsmith | and DocBook is just an XML structure... you typically use something like an XSLT to transform that to HTML or FO, and then something like Apache FOP to turn the FO into PDF. |
| 19:48.05 | SunSparc | Hmm, well when I switch to Python, I will keep that in mind. ;) |
| 19:56.33 | mindjuju | anybody have an RSS / itunes validator ? |
| 20:01.01 | SunSparc | mindjuju: A what? You want to validate an RSS feed that is iTunes specific? |
| 20:01.33 | mindjuju | yes |
| 20:02.07 | mindjuju | i found the one apple recommends though |
| 20:02.07 | mindjuju | so i'm good |
| 20:02.17 | SunSparc | Even better. |
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| 20:16.07 | mindjuju | i just want to go down on record as saying that iTunes ... bites |
| 20:16.19 | mindjuju | and that they're jacked up way of doing RSS stinks |
| 20:17.05 | mindjuju | and further, that having their own way of handling RSS is just as goofy as some of the loops we have to jump through for MS |
| 20:17.18 | mindjuju | ~poo apple and their craptacularness |
| 20:17.19 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at apple and their craptacularness |
| 20:18.29 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Is the way Apple is doing it a terrible way to do it? Or are you just upset that it is different than what you were expecting? |
| 20:18.58 | mindjuju | well, let's just say that there is already a standard called RSS 2.0 |
| 20:19.10 | mindjuju | and freakin' apple extends it by doiun gthis |
| 20:19.23 | mindjuju | <itunes:subtitle>A show about everything</itunes:subtitle> |
| 20:19.23 | mindjuju | <itunes:author>John Doe</itunes:author> |
| 20:19.30 | mindjuju | when there are already provisions for title |
| 20:19.47 | mindjuju | and so you get caught in a cross fire of trying to have it validate for itunes and other programs |
| 20:19.54 | mindjuju | with all the itunes proprietary crap |
| 20:20.22 | SunSparc | Hmm, yeah, that is lame. They should stick to the standards unless they are doing something better that can lead to better standards. |
| 20:20.38 | mindjuju | yeah, that's MS 's excuse too |
| 20:20.39 | SunSparc | Browser wars should have taught them that. |
| 20:21.15 | mindjuju | will just add our own stuff because we want people to pick IE, because it does all this wonderful extra stuff like |
| 20:21.20 | mindjuju | oh, idon't know, ActiveX |
| 20:22.01 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:22.20 | mindjuju | i'm sorry, i'm just a disgruntled RSS engine developer at the moment |
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| 20:22.52 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Tell Apple where to go -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/ |
| 20:23.14 | mindjuju | yeah, no way, the'll make a funny video of me with that one dude from get a mac |
| 20:23.42 | SunSparc | heh |
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| 20:45.39 | orsonj | "Hi I'm mindjuju." "And I'm a mac." "I'm having problems with this RSS feed" "Oh, you should just do it the mac way!" |
| 20:47.50 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:57.10 | mindjuju | yeah, pretty much |
| 21:31.41 | orsonj | http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lwTaEhOSzTPS0tXKkBbhEA?authkey=6YFZHV1QuhY&feat=directlink |
| 21:36.46 | SunSparc | hehe, nice!! |
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| 21:38.02 | orsonj | not paperclip proof, but fun anyway |
| 21:41.39 | tierra | re RSS: it's called a namespace, and it is perfectly valid RSS |
| 21:41.58 | tierra | fwiw |
| 21:46.31 | mindjuju | tierra, was very disgruntled when i typed it, and it is true, they can extend and put what ever they want in it |
| 21:46.48 | mindjuju | but really, do they need an itunes:title when one already exists? the aptly named title ? |
| 21:47.27 | mindjuju | since i dont' use itunes, maybe itunes:title doesn't serve quite the same purpose, but there just appear to be several things they added needlessly |
| 21:47.35 | mindjuju | just my opine |
| 22:04.32 | thebigdog | mindjuju, it depends on what they are using the title for...if they are adding custom info then they would want the namespace for it |
| 22:05.35 | mindjuju | i just wish they'd use what was standard instead of extending |
| 22:05.50 | mindjuju | think about it this way, since we're all defending apple, why do we slam IE for putting in marquee ? |
| 22:05.55 | mindjuju | beside it is annoying |
| 22:06.05 | mindjuju | or for them putting in a 1px buffer around forms? |
| 22:06.22 | mindjuju | its unnecessary and it complicates |
| 22:06.27 | mindjuju | just me though |
| 22:11.45 | thebigdog | well that is interpretation of the code and not namespace |
| 22:11.49 | thebigdog | there is a huge difference there |
| 22:14.28 | mindjuju | i'm actually arguing on the established convention |
| 22:14.45 | mindjuju | no big deal, i'm past it |
| 22:14.53 | macnewbold | ~driveby carmony |
| 22:15.16 | macnewbold | mindjuju: have any good ideas for a ~driveby for jbot? We need one I think. |
| 22:15.43 | macnewbold | ooh look, macnewbold came and said more than 2 things in a row! and none of them were random jbot commands. |
| 22:16.45 | orsonj | but one was an attempted jbot command and the others were comments on jbot |
| 22:19.07 | orsonj | I do show a few lines of discusson back on the third though. |
| 22:20.18 | macnewbold | ~lart orsonj |
| 22:20.18 | jbot | whacks orsonj with a giant beaver's tail |
| 22:20.20 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:20.22 | macnewbold | that is fun |
| 22:20.26 | macnewbold | but alas, you're right |
| 22:20.32 | macnewbold | it was an attempted bot request |
| 22:20.39 | macnewbold | but at least I'm having a conversation |
| 22:20.45 | orsonj | yep |
| 22:20.45 | macnewbold | it's a step in the right direction, no? |
| 22:21.01 | macnewbold | you guys getting a lot of snow up north? (You're still in logan, right?) |
| 22:21.04 | unum | lessig has two new videos in his blog |
| 22:21.09 | unum | they are long........... |
| 22:21.12 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 22:21.12 | jbot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking thebigdog's head off |
| 22:21.17 | orsonj | driveby comments via jbot is a step towards civilized communication |
| 22:21.21 | unum | but the one on his new book is really good |
| 22:21.35 | orsonj | macnewbold: http://www.neng.usu.edu/webcam/latest/latest_bldcam2.jpg |
| 22:22.03 | macnewbold | nice |
| 22:22.04 | orsonj | http://www.neng.usu.edu/webcam/latest/latest_bldcam5.jpg (last link pointing east, this link pointing south) |
| 22:22.10 | macnewbold | that's a great view of logan canyon from that cam |
| 22:22.16 | orsonj | (from engineering building on USU) |
| 22:22.44 | orsonj | yep, except when it gets too foggy |
| 22:23.15 | orsonj | http://solarcam.rp4open.usu.edu/netcam.jpg (I haven't figured out exactly where this cam is though) |
