IRC log for #uphpu on 20081218

00:00.31mgearyyou know, hrefs are a lot better than using javascript for navigation. I really love that i can command-click an href and it pops a tab. I really hate that i can't do this with js-based navigation widgets
00:01.10unumcommand click what kind of wimpy computer are you using
00:01.51carmonyhttp://www.ariel.com.au/jokes/The_Evolution_of_a_Programmer.html
00:02.16mgearyunum: but the point remains...
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00:03.52itimberI'm out guys.... later
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00:25.34mindjujusorry, had quick discussion about asterisk with boss, thebigdog, by ecomm, i just meant the sellers have started to create their own eComm sites (with shopping carts) to sell their stuff
00:25.56mindjujueBay when I was there and eBay now are way different
00:26.22mindjujulike i heard that buy.com fixed-price auctions make up like 5% of the listings
00:26.25mindjujumaybe it was more
00:26.38mindjujuanyways, sellers had like 3 different revolts /exodus
00:31.05Utah_Daveso mindjuju, are you going to be setting up an asterisk box at your office?
00:43.16mindjujuutah_dave, we're thinking about it
00:43.46mindjujutrying to determine how significant of a change and what would be required
00:43.47Utah_Davefun
00:44.08mindjujuthe room that we have the UPHPU meets in, it has spots for about 12 phones
00:44.28mindjujuwas thinking of trying it out in that room, connecting them in the NOC to an isolated switch and just seeing how things worked
00:44.42mindjujuwhat is teh ratio of phones / computer hardware?
00:45.03mindjujuie, p4, 2ghz & 2g of RAM will cover how many phones?
00:45.04Utah_Daveyou're constrained by number of simultaneous calls
00:45.27Utah_Daveyou could do quite a few with that machine. It's kind of a black art.
00:45.50Utah_DaveIf you ask that question on the mailing list or IRC you get a bunch of hemming and hawing
00:45.58mindjujuheh
00:46.01Utah_DaveYou could easily do 12 phones
00:46.10mindjujufair enough
00:46.19Utah_Davewouldn't even tax the machine much
00:46.20mindjujuprolly depnds on phone, services offered, etc
00:46.35mindjujuwhere does one pick up phones ala cheap, just for testing
00:46.39Utah_Davedoing conferences and recording the audio to disk create a bigger strain
00:46.44mindjujuor should i just do a sipp client on the computers to test?
00:47.10mindjujuyeah, conferences & bridges would be required, we have a system now that is 4 bridge and a 12 bridge
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00:47.54mindjujui'm REALLY tempted to try it
00:48.26mindjujuyou know, we could soft phone everybody and just hand out headsets
00:49.14mindjujuk, i gots to split for the slcadobe meet here in about 45 min, but let's talk further on this utah_dave
00:54.06Utah_DaveOK, sounds good mindjuju
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04:05.00beandoganyone awakes
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04:06.39Utah_Davecarmony, you around?
04:08.01herlobeandog: hi
04:08.06beandoghey herlo
04:08.10beandoghow goes the job search
04:08.20herlobeandog: I have one onw
04:08.21herlonow
04:08.32beandogherlo: oh, where at?
04:08.40herlobut I'm still settling in, and I have a couple more interviews just in case I hate this one
04:08.58beandoglol
04:09.00beandognice.
04:09.09herlothe company is StoryRock.com, they do electronic yearbooks, scrapbooking and military review journals
04:09.38herlothey're pretty cool, but It's kind of like a girlfriend you konw, at first you have to get used to their quirks :)
04:09.57beandoghuh thats cool
04:10.01beandogwebsite looks nice
04:10.40herloyeah, I'll be working on the fulfillment website and deployment setup
04:11.00beandogcool, cool
04:13.11beandogwht are you up to tonight
04:13.18herlo:) I'm excited bout it, but it'd going to be a bunch of work
04:13.27herlobeandog: learning ruby on rails
04:13.33beandogherlo: oh?  whats your take
04:14.54herloso far, I'm confused, but that's because I've been working with django for over a year now
04:15.10beandogisnt that pythong
04:15.11beandogpython
04:15.17herloyes
04:15.26herlobut they are both ORM based frameworks
04:15.27beandoghmm
04:15.31beandogwhats that
04:15.37beandogobject relational model?
04:17.05herloyes
04:17.18herloit's an api to talk to the database for you
04:17.56beandogah okay
04:18.20herlomakes things much much simpler, no sql queries to create, all generated for you :)
04:19.50beandogyah
04:19.54beandogI enjoy writing SQL
04:19.55beandog:)
04:20.03beandogwell, minus the simple stuff.
04:21.01herlohehe, yeah, well not all of us do :)
04:21.20beandogyah
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15:06.35Utah_DaveHuh, I didn't know you could set up  your own WoW server.
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15:42.37carmonyGood morning :)
15:43.18mastergunnshey carmony
15:44.13carmonyhows it goin mastergunns?
15:50.38mastergunnsgood, good, cold outside, warm inside. glare of multiple monitors... who could ask for more :)
15:52.17carmonyheh
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15:55.22*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> REMINDER : No Meet today | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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16:08.58Lone_WandererYarr indeed, jbot.  Yarr indeed.
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16:09.20beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/18/funny-pictures-tester-these-still-good/
16:10.21Lone_Wandererhello beandog
16:10.28beandoghey Lone_Wanderer
16:10.30beandoghow goes it
16:10.42Utah_DaveI played Portal for the first time last night.
16:10.45Utah_DavePretty fun.
16:10.46Lone_WandererIf I can escape Virginia without murdering anyone, I'll be doing well.
16:10.50Lone_WandererOhh, did you love it?
16:10.54carmonyokay, I'm having a bash script problem. I have a command that I want to run, so I run it from my shell, works just fine, but when I run it through my script, I get errors
16:11.03Lone_Wandererwhat errors?
16:11.14beandoggood ol virginie
16:11.25Lone_Wandererenvironment, permissions, variables are what I'd check in that order
16:11.33carmonyfind /path/to/file/sess_0* -mtime +1 -exec rm {} \; is what I'm running
16:11.50carmonyI get this error
16:11.53mindjujuLone_Wanderer!  sup bro!
16:11.59Lone_Wandererheya mindjuju!
16:12.05carmonyfind: missing argument to `-exec'
16:12.34Lone_Wandererand yet if you execute the same command, copied and pasted into your command prompt, it works fine?
16:12.46carmonyyeah
16:12.48carmonyhold on
16:12.59carmonywell, the problem is that its pasted a handful more times
16:13.09jsmith-teachingPut a backslash in front of the *
16:13.22carmonyk
16:13.23jsmith-teachingfind /path/to/file/sess_0\* -mtime +1 -exec rm {} \;
16:13.54Lone_WandererI look forward with enthusiasm to my visit to Utah this Saturday, and even moreso to my return on a more permanent basis in February.
16:14.15beandogLone_Wanderer, sweet man
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16:14.17beandogChristmas break?
16:14.25Lone_Wandereryeah
16:14.33beandogyou bringing me a present? :)
16:14.45Lone_Wanderermaybe
16:14.51Lone_Wandererif I ever get paid
16:14.52beandogsweet
16:15.01beandogLone_Wanderer, how long is your vacation
16:17.08Lone_Wanderertwo weeks
16:17.26beandognice
16:33.01carmonywhats a good paste bin?
16:33.19herlopastebin.ca
16:33.22Lone_Wandererdpaste
16:33.23herloor fpaste.org
16:33.30herlopaste2
16:36.12carmonyhttp://paste2.org/p/117707
16:36.27carmonyI'm a shell newb :P need some help with something that is probably very obvious
16:38.12herlocarmony: try a for loop
16:38.55herlofor i in /path/to/api/browse_sessions/sess*; do
16:39.12herlofind $i -name -exec ... \;
16:39.13herlodone
16:39.41herlooh, and don't put the {} in single quotes
16:39.56herloit's an argument to exec and that will make it a literal
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17:07.37Utah_DaveI love vim!
17:07.48Utah_Davesurround.vim is a great plugin
17:08.51carmony:P
17:09.22Lone_Wanderervim is the way, the truth, and the light
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17:17.36Utah_DaveI was just given a several page long text document I had to format into xhtml .  Vim made it very easy.
17:18.10Utah_DaveLone_Wanderer: yeah, I did love Portal. It's a really interesting game.
17:25.09synic~vim+=10
17:25.37syniccarmony: c'mon, you can't say this doesn't look pimpin: http://exaile.org/vim.png
17:28.01carmonylol, sorry, I prefer my IDEs :P
17:28.29carmonyI can see how cool that is :)
17:35.44syniconly php programmers and weirdos use IDEs!  oh, and Java programmers
17:36.55Utah_Davesynic: which plugin are you using in that png?
17:37.20synicwhich one do you mean?
17:37.29Utah_Davefor the project management
17:37.40Utah_Daveuh, what's the word I'm looking for...
17:39.29Utah_Daveyou know, so you can view your project in the left column.
17:39.43Utah_Davenevermind
17:41.36synicUtah_Dave: project.vim
17:41.52Utah_Daveah. I thought it was something like that
17:41.54Utah_Davethanks
17:42.02syniclike everything else vim, it has a slight learning curve, but it's probably my favorite plugin
17:42.59mastergunnsHA - it wasn't me. freaking data code returning double records. idiot. there, I feel much better :)
17:47.47Utah_DaveWell, I'm off to our office Christmas party!
17:48.07mastergunnsUTah_Dave: have fun
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17:56.36carmonyLOL found a bug in our reports for dating dna
17:56.44carmonyWe were having 4 times the number of signups
17:56.55carmonythan our report was showing
17:56.59carmonyfor this last week
18:10.14Lone_Wandererwoah woah, synic, slow down there.  I'm a PHP programmer and I despise IDEs.
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18:11.58synicI think that puts you squarely in the weirdo category
18:12.02synic:)
18:12.49carmonylol, I'm much more productive with my IDE :)
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18:24.45Lone_WandererThat's because you're a philistine.
18:24.58Lone_WandererNo True Programmer uses IDEs.
18:25.11synichear hear!
18:28.17carmonylol, why doesn't a true programmer use an IDE?
18:28.35eggyknapMeh, vim's an IDE :)
18:28.47Lone_WandererThey just don't.
18:29.06Lone_WandererI suggest before we argue this further that you look up the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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19:03.21carmony_lol, is everyone getting snowed on pretty bad?
19:04.30Lone_WandererNot here in Virginia :'( it's snowing good in Utah though?
19:06.38mindjujucarmony_ - i'm luckily working form home today
19:06.58carmony_lol, in Ogden we don't have any snow yet today
19:07.45carmony_its sunny, great weather
19:15.09jsmith-teachingNo snow in Baltimore today :-(
19:16.28orsonjIt's cold in Logan
19:17.39jsmith-teachingorsonj: Lot's of snow on the Wellsville's?
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19:19.38orsonjhere is a camera pointed in the other direction:  http://www.neng.usu.edu/webcam/latest/latest_bldcam2.jpg
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19:33.04jsmith-teachingorsonj: OK, now I'm totally jealous
19:33.24mindjujujealous?
19:33.29mindjujuof us here in utah?
19:34.39jsmith-teachingmindjuju: Yeah... I'm in Baltimore this week :-/
19:35.28mindjujubaltimore isn't bad
19:38.03carmony_I have a client in Baltimore :
19:38.05carmony_:)
19:39.38carmony_Apple Core? :P
19:40.15carmony_LOL
19:44.04Utah_Davejsmith-teaching: I was in Baltimore a couple of weeks ago. I was not impressed
19:44.54mindjujunot impressed?
19:45.17herloUtah_Dave: downtown baltimore?
19:49.39Utah_Daveyeah, right downtown
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19:55.38itimbersup guys
19:56.21orsonjwinter:  http://www.neng.usu.edu/webcam/latest/latest_bldcam2.jpg
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22:38.48itimberpretty quiet around here
22:38.55thebigdogyes it is
22:39.14itimberwhat are you up to thebigdog
22:39.24thebigdogworking on a couple things
22:39.58thebigdogwriting an issue manager, working on a new contract for some sys admin work, and getting a new git installation completed
22:40.17thebigdogoh and debugging an web service
22:40.29thebigdogall the while rocking some music
22:40.54thebigdogand reading some stuff on parallel batch processing
22:41.15itimberright on
22:41.47itimbernothing half as glamorous over here..... writing PHP, listening to techno
22:42.14itimberit is PHP for my own Home-Grown Logistics system though
22:42.21itimberthat's semi-prestigious
23:09.40thebigdogoh nice
23:12.32thebigdogi just got the sys admin work though
23:12.34thebigdogthat is nice stuff
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