| 00:00.24 | beandog | mgeary, you around |
| 00:00.31 | mgeary | hi |
| 00:00.47 | beandog | whats your take on using triggers on myisam tables to force integrity |
| 00:00.58 | beandog | Im wondering if its a good idea or not. |
| 00:01.14 | mgeary | what kind of integrity |
| 00:01.15 | mgeary | ? |
| 00:01.21 | beandog | or if Ill forget theyre there and pull my hair out one day wondering why things are acting weird. |
| 00:01.25 | mgeary | you mean like detecting if a foreign key has been deleted? |
| 00:01.28 | beandog | mgeary, basically a poor-mans fkey enforcement |
| 00:01.42 | mgeary | well, right, but how specifically? |
| 00:01.43 | beandog | on delete, cascade |
| 00:01.48 | mgeary | well... |
| 00:01.51 | mgeary | i've considered it |
| 00:02.09 | mgeary | here's why i've not done it: |
| 00:02.32 | mgeary | 1) it's very easy to do a join and look for orphaned records |
| 00:03.11 | mgeary | 2) in my ActiveRecord class, that *all* my DB stuff uses, i can simply override the delete() function, get the linked record objects, and call delete() on them (and they may have similar overrides, etc) |
| 00:04.24 | mgeary | so i'd recommend spending your time on abstracting CRUD instead of enforcing fkeys via triggers |
| 00:04.31 | mgeary | but that's just my take |
| 00:05.03 | beandog | yah |
| 00:05.42 | beandog | Ive been kinda coming to the conclusion its not gonna do much good. |
| 00:05.48 | beandog | thx man |
| 00:05.58 | mgeary | sure |
| 00:06.21 | beandog | I'd probably be much better off *fixing* the schema correctly |
| 00:06.23 | beandog | band-aids-- |
| 00:06.49 | mgeary | yeah, though they're often a pragmatist's only option |
| 00:09.16 | beandog | even as a general approach, though, on a good myisam schema, the idea makes me a bit wary |
| 00:09.41 | beandog | anyway |
| 00:11.28 | mgeary | yeah |
| 00:11.42 | mgeary | though i think triggers are way cool. I've had almost no occasion to use them thus far |
| 00:23.25 | itimber | I'm out guys.... catch ya'll later |
| 00:28.10 | beandog | yah |
| 00:28.16 | beandog | so far were just using them to force integrity |
| 00:28.20 | beandog | but in very few places |
| 00:28.28 | beandog | I'm not even sure why, actually. |
| 00:29.59 | beandog | in almost every case, though, I forget its there ... then have to chase this "mystery update" down |
| 00:30.01 | beandog | :T |
| 00:30.09 | beandog | honestly, I just dont expect to see em |
| 00:30.19 | beandog | at least, not in such a simple capacity |
| 00:32.21 | carmony | php is hating me right now |
| 00:37.18 | carmony | lol |
| 00:37.30 | carmony | how many hours do you usually put in a week mindjuju? |
| 00:39.24 | mindjuju | depends on if there is a big project and if i've been yabbering too much |
| 00:39.53 | mindjuju | but i also get an immense amount of flexibility too |
| 00:39.58 | mindjuju | can work from home, etc |
| 00:44.14 | carmony | how many hour do you think you put in on average? :P |
| 00:44.18 | carmony | hours* |
| 00:45.21 | carmony | lol |
| 00:46.53 | mindjuju | ... so, as N approaches infinity... |
| 00:47.24 | DexterTheDragon | than x will get closer to y but never cross it |
| 00:47.48 | mindjuju | ah yes, that's true |
| 00:48.42 | mindjuju | it's funny, i actually had to bust out with asymptotes the other day in the middle of a management meeting |
| 00:49.44 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju has strange management meetings |
| 00:49.57 | mindjuju | that is, in an effort to describe exponential climb, and the diminishing returns over the increase of effort put in |
| 00:50.40 | DexterTheDragon | I'm going to start calling myself an asymptote engineer |
| 00:50.50 | mindjuju | from our conversation or from some other malady |
| 00:51.06 | mindjuju | DextertheDragon, Asymptote engineer and Cake genius |
| 00:51.10 | mindjuju | i'd put that on a business card |
| 00:52.34 | DexterTheDragon | haha |
| 00:54.42 | carmony | DexterTheDragon: Well, you see, my sex life is like an Asymptote, while I think its getting better, it really never gets there.... |
| 00:54.58 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 00:55.02 | mindjuju | wow |
| 00:55.34 | carmony | lol, sorry, I couldn't help myself! |
| 00:56.14 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon takes no prisoners |
| 00:57.42 | mindjuju | that macnewbold though, he's a push over, you can taunt him all you want |
| 00:58.41 | carmony | lol, I bet :P |
| 01:00.30 | carmony | how many people work at code greene? |
| 01:01.05 | DexterTheDragon | 11 |
| 01:01.54 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon, i think to get even with carmony, we should duct tape him to a chair and force him to watch Star Wars : Holiday Special at least twice |
| 01:02.03 | mindjuju | with only 1 pause break per loop |
| 01:02.37 | carmony | uh oh.... |
| 01:02.51 | mindjuju | have you seen it carmony? |
| 01:03.57 | carmony | nope |
| 01:04.09 | mindjuju | it's very disturbing |
| 01:04.36 | mindjuju | like imagine watching jar jar binx for 2 hours |
| 01:04.52 | mindjuju | worse, jar jar binx and his dumb uncle |
| 01:04.56 | mindjuju | for 2 hours |
| 01:04.58 | carmony | lol |
| 01:05.02 | mindjuju | it's mind bending |
| 01:05.06 | mindjuju | you'll pop a fuse for sure |
| 01:06.03 | mindjuju | i could bring it in tomorrow so you could download and enjoy |
| 01:07.04 | carmony | lol, I thinnk I might pass |
| 01:22.13 | mgeary | later all |
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| 02:32.39 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 02:33.00 | mindjuju | darn, mgeary gone, was going to ask a mac question |
| 02:39.11 | bradym | hey mindjuju, you swtching? |
| 02:56.53 | mindjuju | heya bradym, nope not for me, a friend of the family has a situation where a child has lost the use of most of her muscles |
| 02:57.10 | mindjuju | and they were trying to find a laptop and equipment to enable her to be functional at school |
| 02:57.19 | mindjuju | so i was going to ask mgeary about macs and accessibility |
| 03:01.58 | bradym | i'm pretty impressed with the accesibility features i've seen on my macbook pro - haven't used them extensively, but playing around with it, seems like there's more there than in XP - haven't used vista enough to compare those two |
| 03:03.12 | mindjuju | just knowing how progressive thinking mac is, i'm not surprised |
| 03:03.29 | mindjuju | i was hoping that they would be advanced, gives me a direction in which to aim |
| 03:05.35 | bradym | yeah, the only accesibility concern is the built in mouse, it's very easy to hook up an external bluetooth or usb mouse though |
| 03:05.45 | bradym | (only concern i can think of that is) |
| 03:06.16 | bradym | though depending on her situation the mouse may not be an option... there are keyboard shortcuts for pretty much everything you could possibly want to do, and it's pretty easy to add new ones too |
| 03:06.52 | mindjuju | well, her disability is that she has lost use of most muscles in her body though she does have some use of her hand and fingers |
| 03:06.59 | mindjuju | it will be here that she will be able to interface |
| 03:07.12 | mindjuju | so we're looking at special mouse to assist |
| 03:07.23 | mindjuju | though i'll need to be sure that the mouse can interface with the mac, |
| 03:07.44 | mindjuju | and i'm reading that a lot of people like macs for children with disabilities on the learning / ease of use factor |
| 03:09.14 | bradym | yeah, i'm sure that's the case.. if you're a switcher (like me) it takes a bit of getting used to, but learning to use a computer a mac would definitely be easier |
| 03:09.47 | bradym | gotta run, good luck in your search |
| 03:09.53 | mindjuju | thx for the help! |
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| 15:06.14 | carmony | good morning |
| 15:41.48 | Utah_Dave | morning |
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| 15:46.31 | justingiboney | anyone have any recommendations for bulk email software (like phplist)? |
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| 16:03.02 | Niiklas | Anyone with good knowledge of php that want to take on a easy assignment with compensation? PM ME |
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| 16:36.00 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 17:33.55 | carmony | k, incoming newb question..... linux shell, ls, how can I have it list the total files listed? |
| 17:34.29 | beandog | huh? |
| 17:34.31 | beandog | oh |
| 17:34.32 | beandog | like the count? |
| 17:34.37 | josephscott | wc |
| 17:35.09 | carmony | yeah, I want to know how many files are in a folder? |
| 17:35.39 | josephscott | ls -lga|wc |
| 17:35.48 | beandog | g? |
| 17:35.57 | josephscott | habit :-) |
| 17:35.58 | fungus | ls -1 | wc -l |
| 17:36.03 | beandog | ah |
| 17:36.38 | carmony | and what is the command to see how large of disk space a folder is taking? |
| 17:36.52 | fungus | du -sh . |
| 17:36.56 | SunSparc | du |
| 17:37.13 | SunSparc | If you are on FreeBSD you can do du -chd 1 . |
| 17:37.26 | fungus | du, du hast, du hast meche |
| 17:37.28 | josephscott | sad story, in the 90s I wrote a script to do what du does, before I knew about du |
| 17:37.41 | SunSparc | fungus: lol |
| 17:37.41 | beandog | how is that sad? |
| 17:37.44 | carmony | lol, well I'm glad I have my fellow uphpuers :P |
| 17:37.49 | beandog | did your goldfish die, too? |
| 17:38.03 | fungus | josephscott: I've done that so many times myself. |
| 17:38.07 | mindjuju | fungus, i know that song |
| 17:38.11 | jsmith-teaching | Or, 'du -cks * | sort -n', that is |
| 17:38.14 | josephscott | beandog: because I learned about du a week later :-) |
| 17:38.28 | fungus | with uniq, xargs, find, etc |
| 17:39.21 | beandog | du -sh | cowsay |
| 17:39.26 | carmony | ps, josephscott, I'm in love with WP 2.7, so nice job you guys :) |
| 17:40.13 | josephscott | carmony: thanks. happy to see 2.7 finally get out the door :-) |
| 17:41.01 | fungus | lol |
| 17:41.29 | josephscott | or say if your on a mac |
| 17:41.33 | fungus | yay, new toy |
| 17:41.47 | fungus | say on a mac is audio |
| 17:41.56 | fungus | cowsay makes an ascii cartoon |
| 17:42.25 | beandog | ls | cowsay -f dragon-and-cow |
| 17:42.42 | fungus | http://pastebin.ca/1287870 |
| 17:43.16 | fungus | rofl, dude, this is the most awesome new command line toy I have found. |
| 17:43.54 | josephscott | ahhh |
| 17:44.29 | beandog | hee hee |
| 17:44.45 | beandog | fortune | cowsay |
| 17:45.42 | fungus | aw man. offensive fortunes aren't installed by default |
| 17:45.57 | fungus | fortune -o | cowsay |
| 17:46.45 | jsmith-teaching | ~cowsay |
| 17:46.46 | jbot | An easy way to add speaking and thinking cows to anything.. URL: http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml |
| 17:47.49 | fungus | fortune -o | cowsay -f sodomized |
| 17:48.06 | carmony | .......... |
| 17:49.24 | fungus | Productivity for the day is completely lost. |
| 17:52.19 | josephscott | fungus: http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/05/a-virtual-richard-stallman-for-cowsay-hack/ |
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| 17:54.13 | itimber | sup guys |
| 17:54.45 | SunSparc | yo |
| 17:55.13 | carmony_ | hey itimber |
| 17:58.24 | fungus | lol, yay. now RMS complains about non-free packages. |
| 17:58.36 | fungus | in person, no less. |
| 18:00.01 | fungus | hrm, the human-icon-theme is non-free? WTF? |
| 18:00.12 | fungus | figlet too? |
| 18:25.44 | beandog | josephscott, do me a big favor, and fix wordpress's download link for me :) |
| 18:26.12 | josephscott | beandog: what's wrong? |
| 18:26.22 | beandog | wordpress-2.7.tar.gz > latest.tgz |
| 18:26.24 | fungus | http://wordpress.org/latest.tar.gz |
| 18:26.45 | josephscott | my personal fav: http://svn.automattic.com/wordpress/ |
| 18:28.39 | beandog | please :) |
| 18:29.04 | josephscott | not sure I follow, latest.tar.gz indicates it's 2.7 |
| 18:29.18 | josephscott | if there's a problem we'll fix it, I just need to know exactly what it is :-) |
| 18:29.29 | beandog | Having an unversioned tarball is pretty non-standard. :T |
| 18:29.43 | beandog | the filename is always latest.tgz regardless of the release |
| 18:30.39 | fungus | maybe it's already a symlink to a versioned tarball |
| 18:31.50 | beandog | even if it is, it makes archiving on my box a pain. There can only be one latest.tgz, and if I was looking for it on my harddrive, I'd probably slocate wordpress first (not latest) |
| 18:32.03 | beandog | plus, you don't know what version it is unless you unpack it and look through the code / docs |
| 18:33.03 | beandog | we (gentoo) used to have to host it ourselves on our mirrors, and we (me) complained to upstream about it, and they added this: http://wordpress.org/download/release-archive/ (thanks, btw :), but still having it versioned on the main download would be nice |
| 18:34.04 | josephscott | ahh |
| 18:34.14 | beandog | obviously its a matter of naming scheme philosophy, but I still think its more practical. :) |
| 18:34.27 | josephscott | yeah, that was to make it easy for scripts to easily update to the latest version |
| 18:35.11 | josephscott | the versioned files are pretty easy to find: http://wordpress.org/wordpress-2.7.tar.gz |
| 18:35.44 | josephscott | and the button links to 2.7.zip |
| 18:36.03 | josephscott | so when you save it you get a versioned file name |
| 18:36.14 | beandog | wget gives me latest.tar.gz |
| 18:36.29 | beandog | I just copy the symlink from the download page |
| 18:36.35 | beandog | er, href |
| 18:38.47 | SunSparc | http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html |
| 18:40.58 | josephscott | beandog: ask wget to pay attention to the Content-Disposition header |
| 18:41.08 | josephscott | attachment; filename=wordpress-2.7.zip |
| 18:41.42 | beandog | yah, I could, I just don't see why the link and the download file can't be uniform |
| 18:42.21 | beandog | it seems to me, frankly, that you guys are making things complex |
| 18:43.01 | beandog | :T |
| 18:45.22 | josephscott | like I said, I think that was done for folks who have update scripts, then can always point to one place and know that they are getting the "latest" version |
| 18:46.05 | beandog | well theres nothing wrong with having a symlink on the web server |
| 18:46.25 | josephscott | what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 18:46.29 | beandog | and that would still serve both purposes |
| 18:46.46 | beandog | Just have, latest download be: project-version.tar.gz |
| 18:47.01 | beandog | wordpress-2.7.tar.gz. Just a simple link. |
| 18:47.23 | beandog | symlink wordpress-2.7.tar.gz to latest.tgz so scripts / legacy can still access it |
| 18:47.23 | josephscott | which is available at http://wordpress.org/wordpress-2.7.tar.gz |
| 18:47.33 | beandog | right, Im saying the approach is backwards |
| 18:48.16 | josephscott | I'm not sure I follow, you wanted a file that looks a certain way and you have two ways to get at it. |
| 18:48.22 | beandog | Heh, okay |
| 18:48.38 | josephscott | that's why I asked what you were trying to do :-) |
| 18:48.45 | beandog | http://wordpress.org/download/ |
| 18:48.55 | beandog | If you look at the href, it points to latest.zip and latest.tar.gz |
| 18:49.09 | josephscott | yep |
| 18:49.25 | beandog | if I click on the link with my browser, it will rename the download to wordpress-2.7.{zip,tar.gz} |
| 18:49.30 | josephscott | yep |
| 18:49.44 | beandog | This is what I'm saying: Change the href to wordpress-2.7.{tar.gz,zip} |
| 18:49.55 | josephscott | why? |
| 18:50.04 | beandog | Well, simply, because that's how everyone does it. |
| 18:50.10 | josephscott | what does that do, that the current setup doesn't? |
| 18:51.01 | beandog | it gets rid of the latest.tgz link |
| 18:51.22 | beandog | I dont have anything against having that available (for legacy), but it shouldnt be (imo) the main download link |
| 18:51.37 | beandog | If you want both, a simple symlink would suffice. |
| 18:51.47 | josephscott | but the only reason you've given is personal preference :-) |
| 18:51.54 | beandog | yes |
| 18:51.54 | beandog | but |
| 18:52.09 | beandog | That's also how 99.9% of every download link is that I've encountered in Gentoo. |
| 18:52.21 | beandog | Its just a de facto standard naming scheme |
| 18:52.27 | beandog | packagename-version.archive |
| 18:53.29 | josephscott | which is available |
| 18:53.47 | beandog | yes, but I think you guys are making things too complex, using the disposition header vs just a symlink |
| 18:54.06 | beandog | If you just had a symlink, then latest.tar.gz would be an available file served up by the server |
| 18:54.12 | beandog | but the standard link would be the download one |
| 18:55.03 | beandog | or it could be vice versa -- wordpress-2.7.foo could be a symlink to latest.foo... either way .. as long as you're not changing the link on the fly |
| 18:55.49 | beandog | So, basically :) what Im saying is ditch the content disposition thing. Have the URL and the download be wordpress-2.7.foo. But also have latest.foo be online as well. |
| 18:55.57 | josephscott | so is the bottom line your unhappy that wget isn't saving it as the versioned name? |
| 18:56.05 | beandog | pretty much. |
| 18:56.08 | beandog | :) |
| 18:56.30 | beandog | which, obviously, sounds lame, but when you deal with ebuilds and non-standard stuff that upstream does, it adds up. |
| 18:57.13 | beandog | IOW, upstream trying to be "clever" usually backfires on us. |
| 18:57.55 | josephscott | it could be that wget is simply not following HTTP RFCs |
| 18:59.08 | josephscott | "Wget 1.11 and later have added support for this, but because there are remaining |
| 18:59.08 | josephscott | issues with this support, it must be explicitly enabled, via |
| 18:59.08 | josephscott | --content-disposition, or "content-disposition=on" in ~/.wgetrc." |
| 18:59.15 | beandog | wget has a --content-disposition option |
| 19:00.15 | josephscott | wget, welcome to 1997 |
| 19:00.48 | beandog | josephscott, anyway, it's much more a personal nag than anything else... I certainly dont want it to seem like Im beriding wordpress for violating internet rules or anything. |
| 19:01.04 | beandog | but I was still hoping it could be fixed, and I was just explaining *my* personal reasoning for thinking its hould be thus. |
| 19:01.04 | josephscott | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2183.txt |
| 19:01.38 | josephscott | beandog: agreed, I personally would probably not have set it up that way, but the end results all seem to work |
| 19:25.03 | mindjuju | hmmm... this seems to fit my question about the existence of silly end users being a sign of poor usability testing or insufficient QA |
| 19:25.05 | mindjuju | http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/microsoft-faces-new-xbox-360-reliability-accusations/1274293 |
| 19:25.44 | mindjuju | why would one reorient their xbox 360 during game play? |
| 19:27.44 | unum | that's why I just kick everything straight to production. no point testing. you need to have the idiots that will actually be using it use it :) |
| 19:28.08 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:53.33 | _psychic_ | "Johnson filed his suit after his console scratched three store-bought game discs, and is seeking $50,000 in punitive damages." |
| 19:53.36 | _psychic_ | Seems fair. |
| 19:53.48 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:54.00 | mindjuju | after they fix it, i'm afraid it'll come back up |
| 19:54.02 | SunSparc | Yes, I am sure those disks were worth that much. |
| 19:54.16 | mindjuju | "see, it scratches the discs still when i shake the xbox violently..." |
| 19:54.22 | _psychic_ | I bet he was pissed when his gold-plated, diamond encrusted autographed copy of FIFA got nicked. |
| 19:54.25 | SunSparc | I am sure he was emotionally scarred for life. |
| 19:54.38 | _psychic_ | Well - seeing a problem and not fixing it is one thing |
| 19:54.41 | SunSparc | I would be. |
| 19:54.54 | _psychic_ | Suing for 100 times what you were actually damaged is another. |
| 19:55.21 | mindjuju | well, except that why would one reorient their xbox DURING game play |
| 19:55.37 | mindjuju | it doesn't have the problem if you reorient while off |
| 19:55.45 | unum | punitive means that the money is to punish MS not compensate |
| 19:55.49 | unum | him |
| 19:57.56 | beandog | mindjuju, well, think about it getting unvoluntarily moved |
| 19:58.01 | beandog | your dog hits it, whatever |
| 19:58.41 | mindjuju | k, so your precariously positioned xbox, balanced on beer bottles, tips over from said dog walking by |
| 19:59.10 | beandog | or, probably more realistic, kids wrestling in the room and they hit it while its on |
| 19:59.15 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm going to say there were greater faults at play |
| 19:59.16 | beandog | I can see it happening |
| 19:59.19 | beandog | it is for kids, after all |
| 19:59.25 | beandog | kids != responsible adults |
| 19:59.27 | mindjuju | k, but still greater faults at play |
| 19:59.27 | beandog | :) |
| 19:59.47 | mindjuju | yeah, if you had a disc in it, and you were moving the xbox and it dropped 6 ft |
| 19:59.55 | mindjuju | should you assume that xbox is going to plan for that |
| 20:00.06 | mindjuju | and stop the disc from being scratched? |
| 20:00.43 | SunSparc | Money for nothing and chics for free. |
| 20:00.52 | beandog | I dunno man |
| 20:00.58 | unum | they burried the information on it pretty deep in the manual didn't they |
| 20:01.06 | beandog | it looks like the other console makers already had prevented that issue |
| 20:01.08 | unum | or was it a sticker on the machine |
| 20:01.13 | beandog | in the manual |
| 20:01.15 | mindjuju | truth told unum, i don't own one, so i don't know |
| 20:01.36 | beandog | what happened, though, that makes it a big deal, is MS knew it would be a problem, but ignored it. |
| 20:01.43 | unum | laptop makers prevent against it. I think most people would think that you could do a certain amount of moving |
| 20:01.54 | beandog | their own internal testing proved it, but they released it anyway |
| 20:02.13 | beandog | so its just par-for-the-course incompetence on MS's part |
| 20:02.17 | unum | and that's what matters. if the jurors would have moved their xbox that much while it was running or not |
| 20:02.52 | mindjuju | hmmm... valid points |
| 20:06.18 | unum | I'm suprised it's not a class action suit |
| 20:06.22 | unum | it might get there yet |
| 20:10.31 | SunSparc | If any class action lawsuit needs to happen against Microsoft, it need to be because of Internet Exploder. |
| 20:10.50 | beandog | heh |
| 20:10.58 | beandog | class action suits never go anywhere |
| 20:11.11 | SunSparc | Yeah, suing is dumb anyway. |
| 20:11.18 | beandog | the company settles, the lawyers make out, the clients get maybe $1.25 if they remember to send in a special form which takes 8 to 16 weeks to process. |
| 20:11.57 | SunSparc | I get those forms every now and again. I just toss them. |
| 20:13.28 | beandog | and then all the clients get sold to a mass marketing firm |
| 20:14.42 | *** part/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
| 20:15.30 | SunSparc | I believe it. |
| 20:15.54 | beandog | weve offended mindjuju |
| 20:16.49 | carmony_ | uh oh :P |
| 20:17.37 | SunSparc | ~sad |
| 20:17.38 | jbot | ACTION looks at sunsparc 'I wonder why sunsparc looks so sad' |
| 20:17.52 | SunSparc | ~miss mindjuju |
| 20:17.53 | jbot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of mindjuju. |
| 20:18.03 | beandog | heh |
| 20:18.05 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:18.07 | beandog | ~mourn mindjuju |
| 20:18.08 | jbot | ACTION lights some candles for mindjuju |
| 20:18.15 | SunSparc | There we go. |
| 20:18.48 | beandog | mmmm |
| 20:18.56 | beandog | I love wordpress's setup thingie |
| 20:18.58 | beandog | ++ |
| 20:20.15 | beandog | ah crap. |
| 20:20.44 | SunSparc | ? |
| 20:21.33 | beandog | I broke my jellybean |
| 20:21.43 | SunSparc | whahuh? |
| 20:23.55 | beandog | upgrade isnt working for some reason, meh |
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| 20:37.20 | SunSparc | ~wb mindjuju |
| 20:37.28 | SunSparc | We really missed you! |
| 20:37.52 | mindjuju | thx sunsparc |
| 20:38.03 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:38.12 | mindjuju | just patched my box for that dang all IEs since IE 4 ... patch |
| 20:38.35 | SunSparc | I agree, dang all IE's |
| 20:38.37 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:38.57 | SunSparc | Send them all to heck in a handbasket. |
| 20:46.34 | beandog | man I honestly dont know how people on Windows do it. |
| 20:46.44 | beandog | I have to reboot my machine every 2 days because of some stupid patch. |
| 20:48.07 | SunSparc | Yeah. Probably just an excuse to cleanup memory and other resources that get bogged down. |
| 20:48.34 | SunSparc | If I did not have games on bootcamp I would hardly ever reboot my Mac. |
| 20:48.49 | SunSparc | Just no need. |
| 20:49.14 | beandog | I bought a PS3 so I wouldnt have to boot into windows for games anymore |
| 20:49.21 | beandog | it was totally worth it. :) |
| 20:49.29 | beandog | although I miss Armada II |
| 20:50.21 | SunSparc | heh |
| 20:50.28 | SunSparc | Tempting... |
| 20:50.47 | SunSparc | Does Valve do console games? |
| 20:51.09 | beandog | uh |
| 20:51.17 | beandog | dunno |
| 20:51.20 | beandog | ~valve |
| 20:51.21 | jbot | [valve] at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/valve.html |
| 20:52.03 | SunSparc | jbot, valve is also http://www.valvesoftware.com/ |
| 20:52.04 | jbot | okay, SunSparc |
| 20:54.39 | beandog | SunSparc, oh, yah |
| 20:54.54 | beandog | I know halflife2 and left 4 dead are |
| 20:55.02 | SunSparc | Sweet |
| 20:55.12 | SunSparc | Oh, and I thought I heard Portal was on it also. |
| 20:55.28 | beandog | dunno |
| 20:55.42 | beandog | whats that |
| 20:56.48 | SunSparc | What is Portal? beandog, you need to know -> http://orange.half-life2.com/portal.html |
| 20:58.09 | beandog | holy crap that looks hard |
| 21:01.11 | beandog | that demo video is burned in my brain though :D |
| 21:03.25 | SunSparc | Portal is one of the best games I have ever played. |
| 21:03.49 | mindjuju | any virtualbox users in the house? |
| 21:06.49 | mindjuju | ~apb dexterthedragon or fungus |
| 21:06.50 | jbot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to find dexterthedragon or fungus |
| 21:07.20 | fungus | I wouldn't call myself a VirtualBox user, but I played with it for an hour or so. |
| 21:07.50 | mindjuju | oh |
| 21:08.14 | mindjuju | was trying to see if it was possible to increase the hdd size, but from i've read in the docs, it doesn't appear to be possible |
| 21:09.03 | carmony_ | man, I love caching! |
| 21:09.34 | SunSparc | man, I love cash! |
| 21:09.53 | carmony_ | lol, me too :) |
| 21:10.11 | carmony_ | Servers are back idling again :) |
| 21:10.38 | SunSparc | Congrats |
| 21:12.13 | carmony_ | they spike every now and then |
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| 22:37.49 | carmony_ | omg |
| 22:38.10 | carmony_ | I hate godaddy;s servers |
| 22:38.22 | beandog | how come |
| 22:39.02 | carmony_ | they have crazy limits on SMTP |
| 22:39.10 | beandog | oh, yah. |
| 22:39.20 | carmony_ | so I have another server |
| 22:39.31 | carmony_ | so I thought I would re-route SMTP though it |
| 22:39.46 | carmony_ | GoDaddy is blocking those ports, so my server can't get around their limits |
| 22:39.52 | carmony_ | it just rediculous |
| 22:40.36 | mindjuju | ridiculous too! |
| 22:41.09 | mindjuju | how many emails can you send out in an hour? the one i have a client on, gets 100 an hour, wihtout you calling to have it temporarily moved up |
| 22:42.02 | mgeary | well, anyone who uses GoDaddy for hosting.... |
| 22:42.05 | DexterTheDragon | ~dedicated hosting++ |
| 22:42.19 | DexterTheDragon | actually |
| 22:42.23 | DexterTheDragon | ~rackspace++ |
| 22:42.41 | mindjuju | rackspace is awesome if you can afford it |
| 22:43.18 | SunSparc | bluesunhosting++ |
| 22:43.33 | beandog | its cheap, it works |
| 22:46.17 | thebigdog | carmony_, dude i can make you a killer smtp server...just ask itimber |
| 22:46.30 | itimber | killer |
| 22:46.34 | itimber | he's done 2 for me |
| 22:46.49 | carmony_ | well, the GoDaddy server is a Dedicated Server |
| 22:46.53 | carmony_ | "dedicated" |
| 22:47.08 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:47.23 | thebigdog | i have a friend that used godaddy servers and we had to get him off |
| 22:47.29 | thebigdog | they dont upgrade well either |
| 22:49.48 | thebigdog | i love logwatch when it warns me about my cdrom is full at 100% used |
| 22:50.13 | SunSparc | Whoa! Better clear some space on that thar disk. |
| 22:50.46 | beandog | lol |
| 22:54.26 | orsonj | so, did anyone mention the link of 30 ways to die from electrocution |
| 22:55.05 | mindjuju | nope, but sounds good |
| 22:55.27 | orsonj | http://www.flickr.com/photos/bre/sets/72157611077138836/ |
| 22:55.59 | orsonj | not safe for people with heart conditions. might die of laughter. |
| 22:56.08 | orsonj | or confusion, I'm not sure which. |
| 23:00.39 | carmony | lol, thats hillarious |
| 23:02.57 | orsonj | I like the one with the kite. So, to review, don't climb up a power pole and grab both wires? |
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| 23:18.41 | mindjuju | i wonder if this news will forever taint Apple for mgeary?? - http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/17/walmart-iphone-on-sale-the-28th-for-a-lot-more-than-99/ |
| 23:18.50 | mgeary | boy, talk about conflicted |
| 23:19.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:19.20 | mgeary | wow. a $2 discount for buying it at Wal*Mart |
| 23:19.41 | mindjuju | is that the discount? for real? |
| 23:19.57 | SunSparc | I am surprised Apple is actually letting WalMart sell their phones. |
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| 23:20.00 | mgeary | RTA |
| 23:23.45 | orsonj | If I recall correctly, they were selling the Wii for 25 cents cheaper on black friday. |
| 23:24.19 | mindjuju | that's hilarious |
| 23:27.12 | orsonj | "Save money, Live better" |
| 23:27.29 | beandog | Ive noticed walmart's prices are on average only about 3% cheaper |
| 23:28.34 | orsonj | kind of like those gas cards that let you get 5 cents off gas with a purchase of $30 or more. |
| 23:29.07 | orsonj | Woo hoo!!! I save 35 cents on gas because I spend $45 in groceries!!! |
| 23:29.57 | orsonj | I'd better go get some more eggnog |
| 23:30.04 | beandog | I go to walmart for bran muffins, and thats it |
| 23:30.12 | beandog | heh, eggnog = evil |
| 23:30.35 | orsonj | what is it, 400 calories per glass? |
| 23:30.47 | orsonj | 800 if it is a tall glass |
| 23:31.07 | mindjuju | we live 3 blocks from Toys R Us |
| 23:31.20 | mindjuju | tons of toys out to play and try |
| 23:31.40 | beandog | mindjuju, yah |
| 23:31.44 | beandog | what was that one toy store |
| 23:31.49 | beandog | had a kangaroo for a mascot |
| 23:32.02 | beandog | I love the warehouse style of toys r us and stuff ... as a kid it makes it look incredibly huge |
| 23:32.04 | mgeary | Kay-Bee? |
| 23:32.12 | mindjuju | yeah, i think it is |
| 23:32.13 | beandog | mgeary, no, it was huge like Toys r us |
| 23:32.46 | beandog | Lionel |
| 23:32.48 | beandog | :D |
| 23:32.55 | mgeary | ah yeah |
| 23:32.56 | beandog | maybe? |
| 23:34.09 | beandog | did you guys see they have 25th anniversary GI Joe figures out |
| 23:34.17 | beandog | Theyre just like the ones I used to play with |
| 23:34.20 | beandog | I gotta pick me up some |
| 23:34.25 | beandog | I remember playing with Road Block |
| 23:34.26 | beandog | :D |
| 23:34.40 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadblock_(G.I._Joe) |
| 23:37.01 | beandog | ooh, amazon has them |
| 23:38.12 | beandog | wow, great stuff |
| 23:38.17 | beandog | Im gonna go home and watch some of the cartoons |
| 23:38.17 | beandog | :D |
| 23:43.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:43.19 | mindjuju | GI Joe was awesome |
| 23:43.35 | mindjuju | cause you know, it had them life lessons at the end, and knowing is half the battle |
| 23:43.44 | beandog | heh |
| 23:43.47 | thebigdog | anyone here sell stuff on ebay on a reg basis? |
| 23:43.52 | beandog | I love how the entire thing was gunfire and no one ever got hit. |
| 23:44.10 | mindjuju | i've sold a couple of things on eBay |
| 23:44.21 | beandog | it's like two entire armies of the worst sharpshooters in the world |
| 23:44.33 | thebigdog | does the ebay price to sell based on the price that you are selling your item? |
| 23:45.15 | mindjuju | well, they have a couple of fees, though last i heard, there was a few changes |
| 23:45.21 | mindjuju | but here it is when I worked there |
| 23:45.25 | mindjuju | you have a listing fee |
| 23:45.34 | mindjuju | you have a listing markup fee (like bolding, etc) |
| 23:45.34 | thebigdog | yeah the listing fee |
| 23:45.44 | mindjuju | you have hte featured fee (if you choose it) |
| 23:45.45 | thebigdog | how is that determined? |
| 23:46.02 | mindjuju | listing was a flat fee for all areas, EXCEPT for automotive |
| 23:46.12 | mindjuju | that may have changed |
| 23:46.17 | mindjuju | well heck, let's just check |
| 23:46.40 | thebigdog | well i put something up and it is like $3 |
| 23:46.46 | thebigdog | i did not add anything to it extra |
| 23:47.08 | thebigdog | so i was wondering if that is based on the price that i put it up on the action to start |
| 23:47.36 | mindjuju | can be, depends of if you did an auction, fixed price, dutch |
| 23:47.42 | mindjuju | etc |
| 23:47.43 | thebigdog | auction |
| 23:47.47 | mindjuju | where be your item? |
| 23:47.47 | thebigdog | auction only |
| 23:48.14 | thebigdog | let me grab the link |
| 23:48.47 | mindjuju | thebigdog - here are the fees - http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/questions/what-fees.html |
| 23:49.58 | thebigdog | ok so it is based on price |
| 23:50.02 | thebigdog | ty mindjuju for the link |
| 23:50.10 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:51.48 | thebigdog | wow sometimes i dont see how people make money off ebay |
| 23:51.53 | thebigdog | those fees are pretty high |
| 23:52.06 | mindjuju | yeah, things have changed |
| 23:52.21 | mindjuju | many sellers of protested very loudly and left |
| 23:52.34 | mindjuju | there are new places, like ubid, and some have gone eComm |
| 23:53.03 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 23:53.20 | thebigdog | have you used ubid or ecomm? |
| 23:53.39 | thebigdog | im not into the online bidding stuff but thought i would try it out with some things |