| 00:12.58 | herlo | unum: I was the guy in the back who pointed out it might be hard to see the urls :) |
| 00:15.10 | unum | herlo: when you asked if that was me I figured that that was probably you |
| 00:15.30 | unum | I didn't have the language barrier this time that I had last time |
| 00:15.30 | herlo | hehe, yeah |
| 00:15.32 | unum | which was nice |
| 00:17.48 | mgeary | herlo: what news on the job search? |
| 00:18.17 | herlo | mgeary: to what are you referring? |
| 00:18.35 | mgeary | uh, aren't you looking for work? |
| 00:20.22 | beandog | heh |
| 00:21.05 | beandog | its a marshmallow world, la la la la la |
| 00:21.23 | beandog | we gotta have a geek lunch again sometime |
| 00:26.00 | herlo | mgeary: I am, but the question was kind of vague. It sounded like you were asking a question in reference to something I said |
| 00:26.04 | mgeary | oh |
| 00:26.08 | herlo | :) |
| 00:26.21 | herlo | mgeary: had two interviews today, have another tomorrow |
| 00:26.28 | herlo | hopefully somethign will pan out soon |
| 00:26.31 | mgeary | that's encouraging |
| 00:27.15 | herlo | :) plus I picked up *some* contract work..so that's good too |
| 00:30.36 | beandog | can I put out a contract for mindjuju? |
| 00:34.36 | mgeary | "for" mindjuju or "on" mindjuju ? |
| 00:35.17 | beandog | I guess I meant on |
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| 04:09.46 | beandog | so freaking quiet tonight |
| 04:10.08 | mindjuju | ~poo beandog |
| 04:10.08 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at beandog |
| 04:10.29 | beandog | heya mindjuju, hows it |
| 04:11.52 | mindjuju | went to the byu surplus store |
| 04:12.00 | mindjuju | twas awesome, but i learned a few things |
| 04:12.31 | mindjuju | first, have tons of $$ cause they had some cool stuff, though no PDU -- which is what i desperately wanted |
| 04:12.44 | mindjuju | second, get there before 2p, even though it starts at 4 |
| 04:12.50 | mindjuju | third, where shoulder pads |
| 04:14.21 | beandog | heh |
| 04:14.22 | beandog | dude |
| 04:14.24 | beandog | just go 30 minutes after they open |
| 04:14.31 | beandog | they will still have ginormous amounts of everything |
| 04:14.35 | beandog | and you dont have to wear a cup. |
| 04:14.45 | mindjuju | yeah, but you miss the highly deseriable stuff |
| 04:14.50 | beandog | yah, thats true |
| 04:14.55 | mindjuju | i almost bought the mac was thinking of buying my wife |
| 04:14.56 | beandog | like a film projector from 1968 |
| 04:15.00 | mindjuju | but just didn't have enough fudns |
| 04:15.02 | mindjuju | psh |
| 04:15.05 | beandog | :) |
| 04:15.05 | mindjuju | g5 macs |
| 04:15.07 | beandog | nah, I know |
| 04:15.11 | beandog | they have good stuff. |
| 04:15.12 | beandog | like those small desktops |
| 04:15.14 | beandog | for like $10 each |
| 04:15.18 | beandog | real projects |
| 04:15.21 | beandog | all kindsa crap |
| 04:15.27 | beandog | Im still using my monitor I got there like 4 years ago |
| 04:15.31 | beandog | 22" or something |
| 04:15.32 | beandog | its huge. |
| 04:15.37 | mindjuju | dude, literally they had g5 macs (2) |
| 04:15.37 | beandog | $40 :) |
| 04:15.40 | mindjuju | several g4 |
| 04:15.53 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to study up on g5s before i go back |
| 04:16.02 | mindjuju | want to understand better what i'd be buying |
| 04:16.13 | beandog | I dont even know what a g5 is, tbh |
| 04:16.14 | beandog | :| |
| 04:16.26 | mindjuju | supposedly latest proc |
| 04:16.30 | mindjuju | AFAIK |
| 04:16.44 | mindjuju | so what yo uup to? |
| 04:16.53 | beandog | just some gentoo stuff, putting new packages in the tree |
| 04:17.05 | beandog | Im going a little stir crazy, its so quiet around here |
| 04:17.39 | beandog | dont have anything to do tonight, so this is it ... writing ebuilds. :) |
| 04:21.39 | beandog | mindjuju: you still working? |
| 04:21.51 | mindjuju | nah, trying to decide a linux question |
| 04:21.56 | mindjuju | sitting around my new purchases |
| 04:21.59 | mindjuju | so beandog |
| 04:22.04 | mindjuju | here is ya a question |
| 04:22.06 | beandog | your new purchases? heh |
| 04:22.06 | beandog | okay |
| 04:22.24 | mindjuju | if you had a computer, that you were going to use for a family network file server |
| 04:22.34 | beandog | yah |
| 04:22.36 | mindjuju | would you go ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop |
| 04:22.44 | DexterTheDragon | server |
| 04:22.44 | beandog | uh |
| 04:22.53 | beandog | I dunno, Ive never used either one. |
| 04:22.54 | mindjuju | hey dexterthedragon! |
| 04:23.08 | DexterTheDragon | sup |
| 04:23.08 | mindjuju | k, i know server has a small footprint, but this is jsut for home |
| 04:23.09 | beandog | well thats not true, my netbook has ubuntu ... but Ive fired it up like twice |
| 04:23.27 | mindjuju | and it's just a file server |
| 04:23.32 | mindjuju | so not really memory intensive |
| 04:23.42 | beandog | mindjuju: I have no idea man. I say go with server, though. |
| 04:23.44 | mindjuju | plus, i'm going to have to share out drives and stuff |
| 04:23.51 | beandog | thats easy |
| 04:23.53 | beandog | You just need samba + webmin and yer done. |
| 04:24.03 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 04:24.08 | beandog | well, and a nic. |
| 04:24.19 | DexterTheDragon | I'm all for the small foorprint, CLI only stuff |
| 04:24.29 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 04:24.30 | beandog | hear hear |
| 04:24.31 | beandog | headless all the way |
| 04:24.46 | beandog | mindjuju: whats worrying you? |
| 04:24.57 | mindjuju | ease of use |
| 04:25.03 | mindjuju | but then again, it's just a fiel server |
| 04:25.04 | beandog | how so |
| 04:25.05 | DexterTheDragon | he's still a little frightned by the terminal |
| 04:25.07 | beandog | setup? |
| 04:25.11 | beandog | ohh. |
| 04:25.13 | beandog | yah. |
| 04:25.14 | beandog | I can dig that. |
| 04:25.14 | mindjuju | and i'm only going to set it up once |
| 04:25.29 | mindjuju | so, i guess i could do server |
| 04:25.30 | beandog | mindjuju: do what works for you |
| 04:25.37 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 04:25.44 | beandog | you can *always* dive into someting more advanced |
| 04:26.02 | beandog | if you dont wanna worry about it, just use the desktop. Youll be up and running in no time. |
| 04:26.25 | mindjuju | k, so if i'm going to do shares and stuff, i need samba |
| 04:26.27 | beandog | If you make it too hard on yourself you'll never want to try it again |
| 04:26.32 | beandog | yah |
| 04:26.45 | mindjuju | k, so last question you guys |
| 04:26.57 | DexterTheDragon | kde |
| 04:27.00 | DexterTheDragon | oh sorry |
| 04:27.07 | mindjuju | i've got several hard drives, i'm hoping to pack this comp with hdds out the wazoo |
| 04:27.26 | mindjuju | and i want this hdd to hold these kinds of DVDs, and that hard drive to hold those DVDs |
| 04:27.49 | mindjuju | so basically, 1 hdd to boot off of, the other 3 for file storage |
| 04:28.01 | mindjuju | i've never figured out where to go to add additional drives |
| 04:28.42 | beandog | oh |
| 04:28.45 | beandog | well |
| 04:28.53 | beandog | theyre just automatically detected |
| 04:29.07 | beandog | but you can't use them til you format and partition them |
| 04:30.30 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: I assume there's some kinda gui ... ? |
| 04:30.39 | beandog | :T |
| 04:31.05 | DexterTheDragon | usually a gui will pick that up for ya |
| 04:31.17 | DexterTheDragon | although I usually handle that stuff from the terminal |
| 04:31.36 | beandog | yah |
| 04:33.09 | mindjuju | k, i'm starting OS install, thx for info / opinions you guys! |
| 04:33.20 | beandog | yahp |
| 04:33.35 | beandog | mindjuju: what kinda hw you get |
| 04:34.01 | mindjuju | 2 p4 HPs and i compack evo w8000 |
| 04:34.10 | beandog | huh |
| 04:34.15 | beandog | p4 would be perfect for a small server |
| 04:34.16 | mindjuju | older stuff, but good for sandboxing |
| 04:34.21 | beandog | totally |
| 04:45.53 | herlo | so I think I need a bit of help here mindjuju |
| 04:46.00 | herlo | I think you have done this before, with wordpress |
| 04:46.39 | mindjuju | have done wordpress, yup |
| 04:52.44 | herlo | mindjuju: k, so what I want to do is load my blog into a page, should be pretty simple right? |
| 04:52.58 | herlo | any suggested urls for something like that? |
| 04:53.35 | mindjuju | not sure i'm understanding, are you saying yo uwant to learn how to post, or are you saying you want to learn how to migrate? |
| 04:56.07 | herlo | no |
| 04:56.09 | herlo | neither |
| 04:56.15 | herlo | mindjuju: okay, so here's the scenario |
| 04:56.23 | herlo | I've created a new template theme |
| 04:56.38 | herlo | it needs to have a page as it's home page |
| 04:56.53 | herlo | so I've changed that from the default which shows the blog |
| 04:57.13 | herlo | but what I want to do now, is provide an additional page that shows the contents of the blog inside |
| 04:57.16 | herlo | tha'ts it |
| 04:57.18 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 04:57.25 | mindjuju | so you want to know the anme of the hook |
| 04:57.58 | herlo | yes |
| 04:58.01 | herlo | :) |
| 05:01.04 | mindjuju | i don't remember the name of the hook off hand, but here is the codex - http://codex.wordpress.org/Blog_Design_and_Layout |
| 05:01.11 | mindjuju | was looking for it, but didn't seem to find it |
| 05:01.40 | herlo | yeah, me too |
| 05:01.51 | herlo | that's why I was hoping you might know off hand |
| 05:01.59 | mindjuju | k, i got it |
| 05:02.02 | mindjuju | it's here - http://codex.wordpress.org/Template_Tags |
| 05:02.06 | mindjuju | those are all the hoooks |
| 05:02.18 | herlo | hmm, I looked there, but I could have missed it |
| 05:02.37 | mindjuju | so under Post tags |
| 05:02.44 | mindjuju | if you want the id, it's the_ID |
| 05:02.56 | mindjuju | the_content for the content |
| 05:02.58 | herlo | no, that's not what I am saying |
| 05:03.00 | herlo | let me try this again |
| 05:03.24 | herlo | you can create a 'Page' which you can point to load your posts, I don't know how it works per se |
| 05:04.33 | mindjuju | k, so you want the post titles only on a page? |
| 05:04.52 | mindjuju | i've actually got to leave here shortly, but want to get you pointed in the right direction |
| 05:05.35 | herlo | no, I want the *posts* on a page |
| 05:05.38 | herlo | but not the front page |
| 05:06.31 | herlo | mindjuju: http://herlo.org/misc/settings.png |
| 05:06.50 | herlo | see the item that says 'Posts page': ?? |
| 05:06.56 | herlo | it has a list of pages... |
| 05:07.09 | herlo | and I can select one, but how do I get that page to hold posts?? |
| 05:07.24 | herlo | that is all |
| 05:07.37 | herlo | and it's okay if you gotta go, I'll keep digging |
| 05:09.05 | mindjuju | oh, gotcha |
| 05:09.17 | mindjuju | so, did you write your own template or did you find one? |
| 05:09.34 | herlo | yes, I wrote my own template |
| 05:09.43 | herlo | but I shouldn't have to touch that |
| 05:10.37 | herlo | what I should be able to do, from what I can tell, is create a page, using some sort of special tag in the page itself (no php coding necessary except this one tag I stick in the page) |
| 05:10.51 | mindjuju | did you design a page for the posts, like does your template have several pages designed in it? |
| 05:10.52 | herlo | and then point it to be the blog page... |
| 05:11.11 | herlo | yes, my template is kubrick heavily modified |
| 05:11.18 | herlo | s/template/theme/ |
| 05:11.56 | mindjuju | we might have to wait for josephscott to get an answer, but when I did it, i had several template pages based on a theme |
| 05:12.04 | herlo | mindjuju: here it is: |
| 05:12.05 | herlo | Nevermind I see it. it's right under the set static dropdown. You create a blank page and then set it to the "post page" in the 'reading' settings. |
| 05:12.15 | mindjuju | ah cool |
| 05:12.16 | herlo | last comment on this page: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/149570 |
| 05:12.23 | herlo | that's what I was trying to do |
| 05:12.24 | herlo | :) |
| 05:12.25 | mindjuju | cya tomorrow |
| 05:13.16 | herlo | mindjuju: ciao |
| 05:13.19 | herlo | thx for trying :) |
| 05:13.40 | carmony_ | sup |
| 05:13.58 | herlo | carmony_: how's life? |
| 05:15.14 | carmony_ | pretty good, watching the jazz game and decorating the christmas tree |
| 05:16.17 | herlo | carmony_: jazz winning? |
| 05:16.37 | carmony_ | 51-65 Jazz |
| 05:17.25 | carmony_ | our bench is playing really, really well |
| 05:18.47 | carmony_ | you got a new job? |
| 05:18.47 | herlo | carmony_: nope, not yet |
| 05:18.53 | herlo | carmony_: but, I've got some contract work, plenty for now. Albeit I need to get faster at php :) |
| 05:20.01 | carmony_ | LOL, I remember when I started back with PHP after being in .NET for a year |
| 05:22.28 | herlo | I've done tons with php, just a bit rusty is all |
| 05:22.34 | herlo | mostly, it's the wordpress calls that I have to remember |
| 05:22.45 | herlo | but yeah, it's kind of fun |
| 05:22.57 | carmony_ | lol, WordPress is really great, but sometimes I fell like it is just a really, really well written hack :P |
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| 05:24.26 | carmony_ | just the naming conventions, the lack of classes, etc. can be frustrating for me |
| 05:26.21 | herlo | carmony_: if you talk with josephscott, it *is* a really big hack :) |
| 05:28.29 | carmony_ | hehe, I remember talking with him at the last meeting, and its funny the perspective they have a WordPress just due to its HUGE size. |
| 05:29.18 | herlo | yep |
| 05:30.55 | carmony_ | It was classic when I asked him why the DB structure was the way it was, and Joseph said they dislike making changes, especially with millions and billions of rows :P |
| 05:33.52 | herlo | sounds fair |
| 05:34.12 | beandog | carmony: are you another wordpress hater? |
| 05:34.49 | carmony_ | hrm, love-hate relationship |
| 05:35.41 | beandog | same here. |
| 05:36.40 | carmony_ | heh, I mean, I know why everything is the way they are |
| 05:36.47 | herlo | beandog: what about me? I'm out of work? |
| 05:36.50 | carmony_ | I mean, how long did WordPress support PHP 3? |
| 05:36.53 | carmony_ | lol |
| 05:36.57 | beandog | herlo: you are? |
| 05:36.59 | herlo | :-D |
| 05:37.01 | herlo | beandog: yes! |
| 05:37.11 | beandog | herlo: sorry man. :( what happened |
| 05:37.12 | herlo | beandog: what hole have you been living under? :) |
| 05:37.17 | herlo | beandog: got laid off |
| 05:37.17 | beandog | I havent been on much |
| 05:37.21 | herlo | work dried up |
| 05:37.24 | beandog | :T |
| 05:37.25 | beandog | sorry |
| 05:37.32 | beandog | sure, Ill pay for lunch |
| 05:37.33 | beandog | :) |
| 05:37.33 | herlo | nw, I'm a contractor right now |
| 05:37.38 | herlo | beandog: lol, k's thx |
| 05:38.29 | carmony_ | where you live beandog ? |
| 05:38.36 | beandog | salt lake |
| 05:39.34 | carmony_ | its thebigdog that is in Ogden, right? |
| 05:39.54 | DexterTheDragon | I think thebigdog is in layton |
| 05:40.01 | beandog | carmony_: wht about you |
| 05:40.08 | DexterTheDragon | I'z in ogden |
| 05:40.20 | carmony_ | yeah, I'm in Ogden too |
| 05:43.39 | carmony_ | Jazz update, 68-82 Jazz |
| 05:52.46 | herlo | carmony_: nice |
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| 15:57.04 | carmony | good morning |
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| 16:00.36 | carmony | omg, k, anyone see anything wrong with this form tag? |
| 16:00.44 | carmony | <form method="POST" style="margin-bottom: 0;" action="/?a=member_preview"> |
| 16:01.16 | carmony | omfg..... never mind ;) |
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| 16:07.26 | SunSparc | carmony: ? |
| 16:07.39 | SunSparc | Having HTML problems early on a Friday? :) |
| 16:07.56 | carmony | lol, well my form wasn't submitting |
| 16:08.12 | carmony | I would look at the inspector in firebug, and my form tag's action attribute wouldn't show |
| 16:08.16 | carmony | I was going crazy |
| 16:08.24 | carmony | then I realize... "Oh... I'm editing the wrong file." |
| 16:08.35 | carmony | I was editing file A, but testing file B |
| 16:08.43 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 16:09.50 | herlo | carmony: I've done that *soooo* many times :) |
| 16:10.55 | carmony | I've been having other issues like that |
| 16:11.09 | carmony | like trying to debug a page that isn't pulling information it should..... |
| 16:11.24 | carmony | after 20 mins, I realize I forgot to do the $query->Execut(); :P |
| 16:11.28 | carmony | execute* |
| 16:11.49 | herlo | :) |
| 16:15.01 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/5108356/teacher-confiscates-linux-discs-chides-charitable-computer-group-no-software-is-free |
| 16:15.03 | beandog | hee hee |
| 16:15.06 | beandog | fail. |
| 16:15.24 | SunSparc | We saw that yesterday beandog. |
| 16:15.31 | beandog | doh. another fail. |
| 16:15.33 | SunSparc | Pretty scary. |
| 16:15.49 | SunSparc | His response was perfect. |
| 16:16.11 | carmony | yup, 2 words: total ignorance |
| 16:16.36 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 16:17.33 | beandog | I just think its funny |
| 16:17.45 | beandog | everyones entitled to honest mistakes, though. :) |
| 16:17.53 | beandog | I used to think mindjuju was a woman! |
| 16:18.00 | carmony | LOL |
| 16:18.02 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 16:20.04 | _psychic_ | (just kidding mindjuju) |
| 16:20.33 | carmony | lol |
| 16:21.29 | beandog | lols |
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| 16:28.37 | carmony | So who here knows what BOFH means? |
| 16:28.38 | DexterTheDragon | ~friday |
| 16:28.39 | jbot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 16:29.08 | beandog | ~wtf bofh |
| 16:29.20 | beandog | everyone, now. :) |
| 16:29.29 | carmony | its kinda a internet slang for Sys Admin :P |
| 16:29.45 | carmony | Well, yesterday I was on a conf call, and he used it like it was a real title |
| 16:29.54 | fungus | Specifically a real jerk of a sys admin |
| 16:30.05 | beandog | like fun ... er, nevermind |
| 16:30.09 | carmony | I guess at his work the IT people call their boss the BOFH, and the Accountant thought it was a real title or certification |
| 16:30.11 | beandog | :) |
| 16:30.19 | beandog | carmony, LOL |
| 16:31.12 | carmony | He was like "Well, let your BOFH know about this and that..." ".... wait, who?" "BOFH." "*snicker* Oh, um you do know what that means, right?" "Its a system administrator certification, right?" |
| 16:34.07 | fungus | lol, Awesome |
| 16:34.12 | fungus | I want that certification |
| 16:35.00 | beandog | I think it comes with MSVC |
| 16:35.02 | beandog | or whatever its called. |
| 16:35.37 | carmony | It ranks up there with the time I called Qwest tech support to report some routing issues, and the generic tech support script reader guy wasn't understanding what I was saying, and wanted me to restart my router a billion times and make sure my computer was on. |
| 16:36.31 | mgeary | yeah, it'd be nice if there was some secret code you could use that says, "look, i'm not an idiot, and i work with/troubleshoot/whatever computers all day every day" |
| 16:36.45 | carmony | I told him I had several Cisco certifications (a lie) to try to get through to a higher level, and I kid you not, he told me "Look sir, I don't know what Costco has to do with this, or what certification they gave you, but I need you to restart your router." |
| 16:37.22 | jsmith | Awesome |
| 16:37.45 | mgeary | you know, the next YouTube will be when someone makes a way to automatically record ALL phone conversations and snippets like that can easily be made public |
| 16:38.04 | carmony | seriously |
| 16:39.14 | fungus | A real BOFH will shut off your network connection because your cutting into his ping times on his video game |
| 16:39.32 | carmony | But, the mother of all mothers was when I was working tech support before I became a developer. An old lady calls, I answer "Hello, UBS Tech Support, how can I help you?" "My brain isn't working." "Execuse me, I didn't quite hear you very well..." "My brain isn't working." |
| 16:39.50 | fungus | http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
| 16:40.06 | carmony | "What do you mean your brain isn't working?" "I came on in this morning, tried to turn it on, and it just won't." |
| 16:40.14 | fungus | Cool, new one today. |
| 16:40.41 | carmony | Come to find out, the previous tech support guys had to explain how her store was set up by calling her server the "brain" |
| 16:40.51 | mgeary | hah |
| 16:41.32 | SunSparc | My brain isn't working yet today either. lol |
| 16:45.05 | mgeary | i think it's obnoxious that on OS X a _ sorts *before* . |
| 16:45.26 | mgeary | though in Terminal it sorts properly |
| 16:48.07 | orsonj | http://hdguru.com/hdtv-seating-distance-chart/6/ |
| 16:48.45 | mgeary | yeah, that's what i'm planning as well |
| 16:53.29 | redroy | Does anyone have any tutorials or good direction to start looking into protecting user uploaded videos...? |
| 16:53.54 | fungus | protecting as far as DRM? |
| 16:54.23 | mgeary | DRM is expensive, afaik |
| 16:54.33 | redroy | Sorry, what's DRM? |
| 16:54.42 | mgeary | Digital Rights Management |
| 16:54.51 | mgeary | that stuff that makes copying a media file hard(er) |
| 16:55.08 | DexterTheDragon | but not impossible |
| 16:55.13 | mgeary | right |
| 16:55.23 | mgeary | it's just a matter of how determined an attacker you wish to discourage |
| 16:55.57 | redroy | Oh, no... more like... an administrator uploads a video and it is only intended for specific users. I'm hoping to have a good way to make sure people can't browse straight to it and download etc. |
| 16:56.06 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:56.15 | mgeary | well, there are several approaches you can take for that |
| 16:56.40 | mgeary | one is a relay mechanism, where you store the actual bits of the file outside the webroot, and using your authentication mechanism, you relay the file over as needed |
| 16:56.48 | mgeary | however, there are issues with that approach |
| 16:57.12 | redroy | I've used that approach before with files, I was worried that it would slow things down with vid...? |
| 16:57.15 | mgeary | another approach is to use unguessable/non-serial paths to the files |
| 16:57.37 | mgeary | e.g. have a "key" for each media file that is, for example a php uniqid() value |
| 16:57.49 | mgeary | another approach is to use a streaming server to serve the files, like Red5 |
| 16:58.11 | mgeary | there are other approaches, i'm sure, but those are some that we've dealt with |
| 16:58.31 | mgeary | and yes, the relay mechanism has performance issues |
| 17:01.21 | redroy | unique key sounds interesting... |
| 17:01.33 | redroy | I'll do some digging, thanks! |
| 17:01.40 | mgeary | that's currently what we use, while we're getting the kinks worked out on a streaming solution |
| 17:03.56 | mindjuju | k, i'm here |
| 17:03.59 | mindjuju | what's going on |
| 17:04.02 | mgeary | WHEW!! |
| 17:04.12 | itimber | morning mindjuju |
| 17:04.14 | itimber | morning guys |
| 17:04.19 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 17:04.50 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 17:04.51 | jbot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to spray mace at herlo |
| 17:07.29 | carmony | morning mindjuju |
| 17:08.05 | carmony | you should read the backlog, see what beandog and _psychic_ said ;) |
| 17:08.52 | mindjuju | yeah, they are a bunch of nerds |
| 17:14.53 | carmony | I swear... 100% height is the bane of CSS |
| 17:15.12 | redroy | carmony lol |
| 17:16.16 | mindjuju | hard to keep a dry eye - http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/11063562 |
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| 17:21.07 | carmony | I'm glad I don't live in New Orleans right now. There is nothing worse then trying to driving in snow in a place where it doesn't snow |
| 17:21.09 | beandog | mindjuju, :) |
| 17:24.43 | mgeary | hey |
| 17:25.07 | fungus | Like Texas where an inch of snow closes schools, and every driver becomes petrified with fright. |
| 17:25.16 | mgeary | can anyone recommend a widget that basically allows for drag-and-drop uploading of a file to a pre-configured FTP location? Something that you could set up and then just send to someone who didn't have a brain? |
| 17:25.32 | fungus | mgeary: Transmit has something like that |
| 17:25.43 | mgeary | a droplet that goes to a hardwired server with hardwired credentials |
| 17:25.44 | mindjuju | fungus, it doesn't take an inch of snow to close down schools |
| 17:25.54 | SunSparc | ~Transmit++ |
| 17:25.55 | mindjuju | ice on the road will also shut down |
| 17:26.01 | mindjuju | we don't have salt trucks |
| 17:26.09 | mgeary | fungus: for Windows as well? |
| 17:26.20 | fungus | oh, well that changes things. |
| 17:26.26 | fungus | good luck. ;) |
| 17:26.30 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:26.38 | mindjuju | is it snowing in texas? |
| 17:26.39 | mindjuju | no way |
| 17:26.48 | jsmith | mindjuju: And yesterday... |
| 17:26.58 | mindjuju | well, dalas gets some every now and again |
| 17:26.59 | jsmith | mindjuju: Snow from New Orleans to Atlanta |
| 17:27.00 | mindjuju | but rarely houston |
| 17:27.07 | carmony | thats scary |
| 17:27.12 | carmony | I hate the first snow in Utah |
| 17:27.12 | jsmith | mindjuju: My sister-in-law in Houston got quite a bit of snow |
| 17:27.14 | mindjuju | like we had flakes that nearly started to pile up |
| 17:27.19 | mindjuju | you're kidding! |
| 17:27.21 | mindjuju | crazy! |
| 17:27.35 | carmony | its like every SVU owning soccer mom throws physics out the window and plows into people |
| 17:27.46 | carmony | SUV* |
| 17:27.54 | jsmith | carmony: Unfortunately, that's not just Utah :-( |
| 17:28.07 | beandog | hee hee, winter in Georgia is hilarious |
| 17:28.16 | beandog | it *never* snows, so when it does, the entire state freaks out and shuts down |
| 17:28.52 | mindjuju | wow, snow in beaumont |
| 17:28.54 | mindjuju | that's nuts |
| 17:29.12 | carmony | My friend got hit by a lady doing 50 in a 40 who spun out of control. Fortunately no one was hurt (execpt his little Civic), and whe she got out she said something like "I don't know how it happened, I have 4 wheel drive" |
| 17:29.31 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:29.41 | SunSparc | Ignorance strikes again. |
| 17:29.45 | mindjuju | 2" in houston? |
| 17:30.00 | SunSparc | We need to adopt the German system of licensing people to drive. |
| 17:30.28 | SunSparc | Of course, a large percentage would fail miserably. |
| 17:30.35 | SunSparc | Probably a good thing. |
| 17:30.50 | mgeary | German drivers licenses don't expire |
| 17:30.58 | mgeary | i've got one |
| 17:31.06 | mindjuju | yeah, it's suppose to be 50 degrees today |
| 17:31.08 | mindjuju | bye bye snow |
| 17:31.10 | mindjuju | :( |
| 17:31.16 | carmony | in Germany, don't you lose your licesne for ever if you get a DUI |
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| 17:56.40 | SunSparc | carmony: I am not sure. I only ever got a military license over there. mgeary would know though since he has one. |
| 17:57.08 | carmony | I just know that DUI laws are so much stricter over there than here |
| 17:58.45 | SunSparc | They should be. |
| 17:59.17 | SunSparc | I think someone who gets a DUI should go to jail for a year and if they kill someone they should get the needle. |
| 17:59.42 | carmony | lol, thats probably a good thing ;) mgeary |
| 18:00.23 | unum | I'm suprised utah doesn't have stricter dui laws |
| 18:00.37 | unum | we have the stupid membership rules but we can't get stricter dui laws |
| 18:07.28 | carmony | I've never understood the membership rules |
| 18:21.37 | beandog | membership rules? |
| 18:23.20 | DexterTheDragon | In utah you have to apply for a membership to go into a bar and drink |
| 18:25.09 | Utah_Dave | I heard that everyone's trying to get rid of those stupid membership rules, thought. Even our Mormon Governor. And the LDS Church said they don't reallycare |
| 18:25.23 | Utah_Dave | s/thought/though |
| 18:26.11 | carmony | all they do is make it a pain for people who want to drink. It doesn't accomplish anything useful |
| 18:26.34 | carmony | I don't drink, but my friends who do say Utah is just backwards with it's drinking laws |
| 18:28.08 | Utah_Dave | Hey, I want to scp my entire /var/www/html/ folder to another server on my network. |
| 18:28.12 | mgeary | rsync |
| 18:28.24 | Utah_Dave | exactly how would I form that command? |
| 18:28.34 | SunSparc | ~rsync++ |
| 18:28.39 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: here's what i do: |
| 18:29.04 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, are you serious?? |
| 18:29.05 | mgeary | it's usually better to do this on the destination machine, since it's easier to have read access than write access: |
| 18:29.22 | beandog | thats the dumbest thing evar. |
| 18:29.42 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: OK, I'll do that |
| 18:30.02 | mgeary | rsync -rave ssh user@ip.of.source.machine:/var/www/html /var/www/ |
| 18:30.08 | mgeary | (sudo as needed) |
| 18:30.19 | beandog | -r and -a are redundant |
| 18:30.25 | mgeary | true |
| 18:30.26 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: thanks! |
| 18:30.28 | beandog | -a will do recursive |
| 18:30.31 | mgeary | but i like "raving" :) |
| 18:30.39 | mgeary | rave is easier to remember |
| 18:30.47 | SunSparc | I do rsync -azve |
| 18:31.11 | SunSparc | I guess it could be zave |
| 18:31.43 | Utah_Dave | well, it's doing something right now. |
| 18:32.42 | beandog | it's self-aware! run for the hills! |
| 18:34.40 | mgeary | hmm, SunSparc i thought -a compressed, but i see now that it does not |
| 18:34.55 | mgeary | so yeah, zave is a great set |
| 18:36.12 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:36.34 | Utah_Dave | zave |
| 18:37.01 | Utah_Dave | it jacked up my permissions on /var/www/html !! |
| 18:37.02 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 18:38.16 | DexterTheDragon | I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Zave |
| 18:38.17 | SunSparc | zave jacked you up? |
| 18:38.30 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 18:39.29 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: well, if you'd run sudo it would have kept the users as defined on the source |
| 18:39.56 | carmony | NOOOOOOOOOOO..... Arg, Zend Studio froze :( |
| 18:42.36 | Utah_Dave | man, thanks, mgeary. |
| 18:42.41 | Utah_Dave | that's working great. |
| 18:42.44 | mgeary | awesome |
| 18:42.59 | mgeary | rsync is our main deployment tool, it's absolutely fantastic |
| 18:43.28 | Utah_Dave | yeah, we use it for backups between servers |
| 18:45.02 | Utah_Dave | now I gotta figure out how to set up certificates so I can run these commands from scripts |
| 18:45.08 | Utah_Dave | unattended |
| 18:45.38 | mgeary | that's easy enough |
| 18:48.21 | fungus | rsync -z is generally not recommended for use on a fast LAN. It is actually slower |
| 18:48.52 | mgeary | slower, but passes fewer bits, i suppose |
| 18:48.54 | Utah_Dave | fungus: I'm on a gigabit lan |
| 18:49.09 | fungus | yeah, don't use -z then |
| 18:49.24 | fungus | -z is great when traversing a slow WAN link though |
| 18:49.24 | Utah_Dave | so use -ave ? |
| 18:49.44 | fungus | -e is also unnecessary |
| 18:49.50 | fungus | only -av is |
| 18:50.11 | Utah_Dave | huh. |
| 18:50.39 | fungus | -e is used to specify a location of a remote shell, but "ssh" is already the default |
| 18:50.53 | mgeary | that's good to know |
| 18:51.43 | fungus | And when automating, especially via cron -v gets really annoying |
| 18:53.21 | SunSparc | Yeah, v is only for watching the output. |
| 18:53.27 | fungus | rsync is one of my most beloved tools |
| 18:53.52 | fungus | aww, thank you rsync |
| 18:54.11 | fungus | I like my cron scripts to keep quiet unless there is a problem. |
| 18:57.33 | Utah_Dave | fungus: so if I just use -av, it will copy over everything, right? Now, if I delete something on the source side, it's not going to delete it on the target side, right? |
| 18:57.45 | fungus | right |
| 18:57.53 | fungus | you need to use --delete to do that |
| 18:58.04 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: --dry-run is also really helpful |
| 18:58.08 | Utah_Dave | ok, good. That's what I want. |
| 18:58.15 | fungus | shortcut for --dry-run is -n |
| 18:58.18 | Utah_Dave | oh, good idea |
| 18:59.09 | Utah_Dave | is there a way to have it delete everything on the source side once it's been successfully copied to the target side? Or do I just need to manage that in my script? |
| 18:59.31 | fungus | just manage it in your script |
| 18:59.38 | fungus | rsync doesn't touch the source side |
| 19:01.18 | Utah_Dave | cool. Thanks, fungus & mgeary & SunSparc! That's a big help. |
| 19:01.26 | mgeary | glad to hear |
| 19:01.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:10.02 | Utah_Dave | can someone recommend a good tutorial online about setting up certificates on my servers? So I can run these rsync scripts unattended? I've googled several, but thought maybe someone here knows of a good one |
| 19:10.18 | mgeary | well |
| 19:10.27 | mgeary | do you mean certificates? or do you mean public/private key pairs? |
| 19:10.35 | mgeary | you want passwordless logins via ssh right? |
| 19:10.46 | Utah_Dave | yeah, passwordless logins via ssh |
| 19:11.10 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:11.22 | mgeary | it's pretty simple, we can just walk you through it right now, if you'd like |
| 19:11.34 | Utah_Dave | sure, that'd be great. |
| 19:11.59 | mgeary | log in to the "source" machine from which you want to initiate the connection |
| 19:12.24 | Utah_Dave | done |
| 19:12.46 | mgeary | okay, now if you haven't already, you need to generate a public and private key for this identity |
| 19:12.55 | mgeary | do you know if you already have that? |
| 19:13.00 | Utah_Dave | haven't done it |
| 19:13.06 | mgeary | okay, do this: |
| 19:13.24 | mgeary | ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 19:13.42 | mgeary | it will prompt you for the location. The default is good |
| 19:13.46 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 19:13.59 | Utah_Dave | it's asking for a passphrase now |
| 19:14.18 | mgeary | for no-prompt log in, leave that blank |
| 19:14.25 | Utah_Dave | ok, leaving it blank |
| 19:14.31 | mgeary | (appropriate security precautions/warnings apply) |
| 19:14.55 | mgeary | you now back to a normal prompt? |
| 19:14.57 | Utah_Dave | yeah, this network doesn't touch the internet and we have hardcore physical security |
| 19:15.03 | Utah_Dave | yeah, back to a normal prompt |
| 19:15.25 | mgeary | okay, you now have 2 files in ~/.ssh |
| 19:15.38 | mgeary | one is a private key which you shouldn't ever share, and the other is a public key |
| 19:16.04 | Utah_Dave | ok, they are there |
| 19:16.33 | mgeary | what you now want to do is copy your public key to the ~.ssh/authorized_keys file on your destination machine |
| 19:16.45 | mgeary | if this is the first time you're doing this, you can just copy the file straight across |
| 19:16.51 | mgeary | otherwise, you'll want to append it after a newline |
| 19:17.16 | mgeary | so, you can try this: |
| 19:17.29 | Utah_Dave | ok, one question. If I change the hostname on this server, will that screw up the key pair? |
| 19:17.33 | mgeary | no |
| 19:17.36 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 19:17.53 | mgeary | scp ~.ssh/id_rsa.pub target_user@ip.of.dest.machine:/path/to/home/folder/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:18.24 | mgeary | i mena |
| 19:18.26 | mgeary | i mean: |
| 19:18.30 | mgeary | scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub target_user@ip.of.dest.machine:/path/to/home/folder/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:19.24 | mgeary | that working? |
| 19:19.47 | fungus | better... |
| 19:19.52 | fungus | ssh-copy-id desthost |
| 19:19.58 | olds | _psychic_: What are some of the advantages of using cakephp over codeigniter? |
| 19:20.00 | mgeary | yeah, but that may not be on his machine |
| 19:20.10 | _psychic_ | olds: more mature and feature-complete |
| 19:20.20 | _psychic_ | you also write less code |
| 19:20.21 | fungus | it's available almost everywhere |
| 19:20.26 | olds | we've been using codeigniter for some projects around here |
| 19:20.31 | _psychic_ | like it? |
| 19:20.41 | mgeary | fungus: available, but not installed by default (at least not on OS X) |
| 19:20.59 | olds | yea |
| 19:21.07 | olds | I've never really given cakephp a fair shake though |
| 19:21.08 | Utah_Dave | codeigniter rocks the house. It's more flexible to what you want it to do |
| 19:21.27 | olds | Utah_Dave: That was kind of our conclusion based on about an hour of research |
| 19:21.35 | olds | but I'm not sure I'm right |
| 19:21.40 | Utah_Dave | fungus and mgeary ssh-copy-id gave me an ERROR. No identities found |
| 19:22.11 | Utah_Dave | olds: I use codeigniter extensively. CakePHP is pretty cool, too. I know DexterTheDragon and macnewbold use it a lot |
| 19:22.11 | olds | _psychic_: In what ways is cakephp more feature complete? |
| 19:23.12 | fungus | you use it after you have created your key |
| 19:23.28 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: did you try the scp route? |
| 19:23.34 | fungus | it auto copies the public key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the dest machine |
| 19:23.43 | olds | ssh keys++ |
| 19:23.45 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: yeah, scp worked great |
| 19:23.47 | mgeary | ...it probably also ensures proper permissions |
| 19:23.50 | _psychic_ | olds: more good libs imho - I haven't looked in a while though |
| 19:23.54 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: so does it work now? |
| 19:24.07 | mgeary | just try ssh user@host from your source machine |
| 19:24.08 | _psychic_ | olds: good stuff for handling XML, httpsocket connections, REST, etc. |
| 19:24.10 | olds | does cake_php still do scaffolding? |
| 19:24.14 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 19:24.22 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: if it doesn't work, then we'll want to check perms |
| 19:24.22 | _psychic_ | it also does code generation based on scaffolding |
| 19:24.25 | _psychic_ | so you set everything up |
| 19:24.31 | _psychic_ | and it "bakes" it out for you |
| 19:24.51 | _psychic_ | so you can start with real code instead of just software scaffolding |
| 19:25.15 | olds | interesting |
| 19:26.10 | _psychic_ | takes some of the monotony out of building CRUD forms, that's for sure |
| 19:26.15 | olds | yea |
| 19:26.21 | _psychic_ | cake also has Auth and ACL which I don't see in CI |
| 19:26.36 | Utah_Dave | olds: yeah, in CodeIgniter you have to write your own models |
| 19:26.43 | _psychic_ | some people don't like cake because it's pretty strict about MVC |
| 19:26.59 | _psychic_ | in cake you don't even need model files in some cases :) |
| 19:27.01 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: there are some community developed Auth and ACL plugins that work pretty well |
| 19:27.07 | _psychic_ | tru |
| 19:27.13 | _psychic_ | the new stuff in 1.2 is better, imho |
| 19:27.30 | Utah_Dave | ok, mgeary and fungus. It's working! |
| 19:27.43 | olds | is there a particular cakephp book you would recommend? |
| 19:27.43 | mgeary | ^5 Utah_Dave |
| 19:28.02 | Utah_Dave | using scp worked for copying it over, and ssh-copy-id worked when I told it where the id_rsa.pub file was |
| 19:28.40 | olds | this is what I always end up using for the ssh keys |
| 19:28.41 | olds | cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh 1234@usw-s017.rsync.net 'dd of=.ssh/authorized_keys oflag=append conv=notrunc' |
| 19:28.45 | _psychic_ | olds: the online manual is probably best right now |
| 19:28.51 | _psychic_ | olds: there are some books, but they kinda suck |
| 19:28.59 | olds | obviously changing the ssh to whatever your login/host is |
| 19:29.03 | mgeary | olds: that's nice |
| 19:29.06 | mgeary | i just do it manually |
| 19:29.21 | olds | it's from this |
| 19:29.22 | olds | http://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/ssh_keys.txt |
| 19:29.28 | olds | concise guide |
| 19:29.56 | olds | ok bbq time |
| 19:30.17 | mgeary | SunSparc, _psychic_ by the way, how was Chef's table last night? |
| 19:30.34 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 19:30.53 | _psychic_ | olds: in any case, if you have q's I can help |
| 19:31.04 | Utah_Dave | nice. now my script is running without needing the password or username |
| 19:32.48 | mgeary | grats, Utah_Dave |
| 19:34.24 | mgeary | _psychic_: didn't MediaRain have a company dinner at Chef's Table yesterday? |
| 19:42.54 | SunSparc | mgeary: It was very tasty. |
| 19:43.17 | SunSparc | mgeary: It was one of our clients and only people that worked with that client went. |
| 19:43.24 | mgeary | awwwww |
| 19:43.27 | mgeary | ~pity _psychic_ |
| 19:43.27 | jbot | I pity da fool _psychic_! |
| 19:43.44 | mgeary | SunSparc: what'd ya have? I'm shooting for the salmon |
| 19:43.46 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:43.56 | mgeary | those Gratin Potatoes are amazing |
| 19:43.59 | SunSparc | The salmon looked good, but I had the rib eye |
| 19:44.05 | fungus | olds: what's wrong with cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh dest 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' |
| 19:44.06 | mgeary | yeah, that's my next choice |
| 19:44.12 | SunSparc | Tasty! |
| 19:44.15 | fungus | much simpler than dd |
| 19:44.26 | SunSparc | Love the sauted shrooms |
| 19:45.46 | mgeary | meh. mushrooms (no offense, fungus) ;) |
| 19:45.52 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 19:46.51 | fungus | all this talk of food is making me hungry. |
| 19:47.45 | mgeary | i'm tempted to not even eat, given the fantastic meal that awaits me tonight |
| 19:48.09 | mgeary | SunSparc: did you try the bacon-wrapped scallops? |
| 19:48.37 | SunSparc | mgeary: No, those were not an option for us that I saw. |
| 19:48.49 | mgeary | they're an appetizer. Really awesome |
| 19:48.56 | SunSparc | mgeary: You should eat something so your stomach does not shrink. ;) |
| 19:49.11 | SunSparc | mgeary: They had coconut shrimp and artichoke |
| 19:49.20 | mgeary | yeah, those are also great |
| 19:49.24 | mgeary | and the crab cakes |
| 19:49.35 | SunSparc | It was a really tasty dinner. |
| 20:11.44 | olds | fungus: rsync.net doesn't have 'cat' installed on their servers |
| 20:11.45 | olds | :) |
| 20:12.02 | olds | at least I don't think they do |
| 20:13.50 | olds | _psychic_: http://book.cakephp.org/view/4/Beginning-With-CakePHP that link doesn't work for me :( |
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| 20:16.00 | olds | awesome |
| 20:16.09 | olds | now cakephp.org doesn't load |
| 20:16.21 | olds | CAKE PHP TOTALLY SUCKS |
| 20:16.34 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:16.42 | mgeary | it's all a lie, anyhow |
| 20:17.36 | olds | now it's back up |
| 20:24.38 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:24.49 | thebigdog | i love paying off bills |
| 20:25.43 | SunSparc | the cake is so moist and tasty |
| 20:31.54 | macnewbold | thebigdog: I have some bills you can pay off if you want... sounds like you love it more than I do, and I'm willing to sacrifice and share from my abundance |
| 20:32.13 | carmony | rofl |
| 20:32.17 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 20:32.28 | thebigdog | a sad day for me though |
| 20:32.39 | thebigdog | i used the money for my new mbp to pay off all my bills |
| 20:32.51 | thebigdog | feels good, but at the same time I am sad |
| 20:32.54 | carmony | so no new mbp? :( |
| 20:33.03 | thebigdog | nope |
| 20:33.07 | thebigdog | next year perhaps |
| 20:33.11 | carmony | Well, at least you're fiscially responsible |
| 20:33.56 | thebigdog | it feels good...and i only have $700 left on my car which is awesome |
| 20:34.14 | carmony | thats always really good |
| 20:34.30 | thebigdog | yeah it does feel good to get that off my back |
| 20:34.42 | Utah_Dave | ~woot thebigdog |
| 20:34.55 | thebigdog | just that i am said i dont have my new mbp |
| 20:34.56 | Utah_Dave | not having any bills is the way to go |
| 20:35.14 | thebigdog | it was probably the right thing to do regardless |
| 20:35.33 | thebigdog | so i just have my house, van and that is really it |
| 20:35.40 | carmony | very niec |
| 20:35.40 | thebigdog | and my netflix |
| 20:35.42 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:35.44 | carmony | lol |
| 20:35.48 | thebigdog | have to have that |
| 20:35.51 | carmony | I <3 my netflix |
| 20:36.41 | thebigdog | it was kinda funny today...i took all the money out to run and pay the bills with cash...i had a huge roll in my pocket |
| 20:37.29 | mgeary | ~pimp thebigdog |
| 20:37.38 | thebigdog | i felt like one |
| 20:37.44 | thebigdog | or a drug dealer |
| 20:37.48 | thebigdog | i am sure they thought that |
| 20:38.55 | mgeary | i'm just wondering what kind of bills you can pay off in cash... All i can think of is loan sharks... ;) |
| 20:39.01 | thebigdog | hah |
| 20:39.10 | thebigdog | i paid my visa off and rc willey |
| 20:39.35 | mgeary | how do you pay off your visa with cash? |
| 20:39.48 | thebigdog | go to the bank that the card is with |
| 20:40.02 | thebigdog | i hear you on that one |
| 20:40.15 | thebigdog | and dealing with that type of cash sucks |
| 20:40.23 | thebigdog | but i closed the accounts too |
| 20:40.26 | thebigdog | which was the good thing |
| 20:42.58 | mgeary | totally |
| 20:43.04 | mgeary | i hate non-secured credit |
| 20:44.18 | carmony | Man.... I shouldn't have brought up the BOFH..... now I'm reading them :P |
| 21:00.10 | olds | starbucks should provide IV drips |
| 21:00.26 | olds | especially of their pumpkin spice latte |
| 21:01.25 | mgeary | bah |
| 21:01.40 | mgeary | i really hate it when web apps take statefulness too far |
| 21:02.01 | mgeary | e.g. only allow you to "be" at one place in the app at once. Store your destination in a session variable |
| 21:02.03 | mgeary | drives me crazy |
| 21:02.24 | carmony | amen! |
| 21:02.42 | olds | that's insane |
| 21:02.52 | carmony | Some devs treate $_SESSION like $GLOBALS |
| 21:05.12 | Utah_Dave | huh, I'm reading through the rsync man page. it looks like --remove-sent-files deletes files on the sender machine after being sent |
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| 21:13.54 | beandog | anyone know a good interface to edit mysql views |
| 21:13.59 | beandog | in the shell its a royal pain. |
| 21:15.16 | thebigdog | beandog, msyqlbrowser |
| 21:15.16 | itimber | everyone knocks it, but I really like phpMyAdmin |
| 21:15.36 | thebigdog | i use db visualizer and eclipse too |
| 21:15.39 | beandog | pma doesnt even let you edit views |
| 21:16.26 | mgeary | yeah, pma is sketchy on views |
| 21:16.48 | itimber | oh... guess I don't follow what you're wanting... I'll retract my recommend |
| 21:17.11 | beandog | itimber, thanks tho, I love pma :D |
| 21:17.26 | itimber | np :D |
| 21:25.43 | beandog | thebigdog, huh, not bad ... but the editor doesnt do line-wrapping |
| 21:26.54 | thebigdog | which editor? |
| 21:27.32 | beandog | I dunno, whatever it is. I just right clicked, picked edit view |
| 21:27.56 | DexterTheDragon | what program? |
| 21:28.05 | beandog | mysql query browser |
| 21:28.59 | DexterTheDragon | nope doesn't line wrap |
| 21:29.18 | beandog | poo |
| 21:29.36 | DexterTheDragon | you can still hit enter |
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| 21:40.14 | fungus | perhaps he hit enter too hard? |
| 21:40.36 | mgeary | hahah |
| 21:43.14 | DexterTheDragon | knocked it unconscious |
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| 21:49.25 | mgeary | so, anyone here actively using WebKit Nightly instead of Safari? Any comment on significant differences? |
| 21:56.45 | thebigdog | i use webkit on my phone |
| 21:58.01 | mindjuju | it's amazing how they all look like monks |
| 21:58.23 | mindjuju | you like it and you know it |
| 21:58.27 | mindjuju | how many you got? |
| 21:58.32 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:58.59 | mindjuju | sounds like you can take it to soccer events |
| 22:00.04 | thebigdog | dude i am getting all my kiddies one |
| 22:00.09 | thebigdog | for like $20 |
| 22:00.17 | mindjuju | dude! they rock! |
| 22:01.08 | mgeary | no self-respecting man would ever wear that |
| 22:01.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:01.22 | thebigdog | beandog does |
| 22:01.30 | thebigdog | and he even has the snuggie hat |
| 22:01.41 | mindjuju | beandog has one in each color |
| 22:02.37 | thebigdog | and that |
| 22:02.46 | thebigdog | blue and green and burgundy |
| 22:03.23 | itimber | w/ the hat, you go from looking like a monk to looking like a wizard |
| 22:03.49 | thebigdog | and back again in one glance |
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| 22:05.24 | mindjuju | wait, where is the hat |
| 22:09.49 | beandog | I wonder if you can hide naked in one of those |
| 22:10.11 | mindjuju | you hide nakked in yours? |
| 22:10.13 | mindjuju | weird! |
| 22:10.37 | mgeary | wait, mindjuju hides naked in beandog's snuggie? |
| 22:10.42 | beandog | lol |
| 22:10.54 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 22:10.57 | beandog | now Im *really* not gonna get one. |
| 22:11.15 | carmony | ......... |
| 22:14.24 | mindjuju | whew |
| 22:14.30 | mindjuju | http://failblog.org/2008/12/11/game-fail/ |
| 22:14.32 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you know the funniest thing about the snuggie website is that video |
| 22:14.51 | mindjuju | utah_dave et al, ya'll have to see that failblog |
| 22:14.52 | Utah_Dave | in the video towards the end it shows them at some sporting event... in their snuggies |
| 22:14.55 | mindjuju | you'll die |
| 22:15.03 | mindjuju | especially thebigdog and beandog |
| 22:16.10 | Utah_Dave | that's hilarious |
| 22:16.18 | beandog | what the freaking crap |
| 22:16.23 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 22:16.30 | Utah_Dave | "Then try to bust your opponent's balls. It's easier than checkers!!" |
| 22:16.36 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:16.49 | Utah_Dave | "But exacting like pool!" |
| 22:19.56 | thebigdog | oh honey i just busted your balls |
| 22:20.11 | beandog | lol |
| 22:20.13 | Utah_Dave | then she turns to the camera and winks |
| 22:20.13 | beandog | oh my crap |
| 22:20.23 | beandog | oh my |
| 22:20.27 | beandog | tht wink at the end is a bit much |
| 22:21.05 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:21.16 | beandog | oh gosh |
| 22:22.50 | beandog | I missed the whole snuggle thing, I was having an awful tussle with XML |
| 22:23.34 | mindjuju | oh, there isn't much to that conversation other than we thought it was funny that you had several |
| 22:23.35 | beandog | lmao, oh man |
| 22:23.49 | beandog | these guys in the commercial look like ... dark murderers or something youd see in Oblivion |
| 22:24.03 | beandog | except they get coffee and play checkers |
| 22:24.32 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:24.34 | beandog | ") |
| 22:24.35 | beandog | ;alskdfjasdf |
| 22:24.59 | beandog | I wonder how much it is |
| 22:25.15 | beandog | $28 |
| 22:25.30 | herlo | mindjuju: I want that game |
| 22:25.53 | carmony | which game? |
| 22:25.55 | mindjuju | i wonder if they sell it at eBay |
| 22:26.54 | beandog | ooh |
| 22:27.04 | mindjuju | carmony - http://failblog.org/2008/12/11/game-fail/ |
| 22:27.35 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQyib5ZQZY |
| 22:27.39 | beandog | a holiday classic |
| 22:27.39 | beandog | :D |
| 22:27.42 | herlo | mindjuju: great name too |
| 22:27.50 | herlo | Ball Buster! |
| 22:28.52 | beandog | jbot, mindjuju also wears his snuggie in the buff |
| 22:29.20 | mindjuju | jbot only likes me |
| 22:29.24 | beandog | noooes |
| 22:30.03 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 22:30.04 | jbot | i guess mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan |
| 22:30.31 | beandog | alright, I really gotta work |
| 22:30.34 | mindjuju | see, it resisted your fluff |
| 22:31.13 | fungus | ibot, mindjuju also is wears his snuggie in the buff |
| 22:31.22 | fungus | jbot, mindjuju also is wears his snuggie in the buff |
| 22:31.23 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, fungus |
| 22:31.31 | fungus | jbot, mindjuju is also wears his snuggie in the buff |
| 22:31.32 | jbot | okay, fungus |
| 22:31.36 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 22:31.36 | jbot | mindjuju is probably sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff |
| 22:31.44 | mindjuju | blast! |
| 22:31.48 | beandog | woots |
| 22:31.49 | beandog | thanks fungus |
| 22:31.55 | olds | http://siren.zzq.org/~jason/xzibit.jpg |
| 22:32.21 | olds | work safe |
| 22:42.22 | mastergunns | sorry to ask what is probably a dumb and obvious question, but in the room list, I see some names with starts next to them, and some with blue dots and blue shock wave kinda lines... I only see the blue dot stuff in this room. |
| 22:44.26 | unum | mastergunns: that's kind of a client specific thing so it's hard to know exactly what they are |
| 22:44.34 | unum | what do you meant by starts? |
| 22:44.36 | mastergunns | ah, I see |
| 22:44.47 | mastergunns | sorry, stars, fat fingered it |
| 22:44.53 | unum | my gues would be that the operators have starts |
| 22:45.06 | unum | the blue dot stuff is voice |
| 22:45.14 | unum | which is a feature we're not really using.... |
| 22:45.20 | mastergunns | ah, cool |
| 22:45.26 | unum | s/starts/stars |
| 22:45.31 | unum | man I keep doing the same thing |
| 22:45.42 | mastergunns | glad its not just me then :) |
| 22:45.43 | unum | a lot of my variable names have start in them |
| 22:54.06 | carmony | thebigdog, you like your android phone? |
| 22:54.21 | thebigdog | carmony, i do enjoy it alot |
| 22:54.43 | DexterTheDragon | thebigdog: have you seen the "2nd" android phone? |
| 22:55.03 | thebigdog | the 1st one |
| 22:55.05 | thebigdog | the g1 |
| 22:55.33 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-3G-mobile-phone/ |
| 22:55.33 | thebigdog | mastergunns, those items next to peps is for their level in the channel |
| 22:56.01 | thebigdog | DexterTheDragon, that is nice...i have the tmobile one |
| 22:56.21 | thebigdog | man android will take over the market if they slap android on all these phones |
| 22:56.31 | DexterTheDragon | this one is made by a company in austrelia but its unlocked and the will ship internationally |
| 22:56.33 | thebigdog | screen is small onthat one |
| 22:57.00 | thebigdog | i do like the key board though |
| 22:57.49 | thebigdog | mastergunns, those icons are to denote level settings in irc |
| 22:58.15 | thebigdog | most channels on freenode do not use the channel ops |
| 22:58.34 | thebigdog | we did it to allow users to kinda get a sense of our user group |
| 22:59.15 | thebigdog | most of the channel ops have been with the group since the start |
| 22:59.33 | thebigdog | users with voice have been long standing members that really like to help out others |
| 22:59.44 | mgeary | well |
| 22:59.52 | mgeary | "really like" may be a bit generous |
| 23:00.08 | DexterTheDragon | as well as "help out" |
| 23:00.12 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:00.33 | mgeary | yeah, beware of thebigdog's "help" |
| 23:00.58 | thebigdog | yeah im horrible |
| 23:03.24 | carmony | ffs O |
| 23:03.32 | carmony | I'm going to bash in this previous developers head :P |
| 23:03.58 | mgeary | ~temper carmony |
| 23:07.03 | carmony | lol :P |
| 23:07.28 | mindjuju | thebigdog - you make it sound like itimber isn't potty trained |
| 23:08.12 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:08.24 | DexterTheDragon | hmmmmmm ......... not programming potty trained.... |
| 23:08.29 | thebigdog | mastergunns, you in the military? |
| 23:15.45 | mastergunns | thebigdog: was, USMC |
| 23:16.07 | thebigdog | oh nice...my pops was in the usmc for 24 years |
| 23:16.23 | thebigdog | i think he retired master gunnery too |
| 23:16.33 | thebigdog | or the next one up |
| 23:16.59 | mastergunns | very cool... that is the last one actually. but 24 years is a good career |
| 23:17.10 | thebigdog | yeah e8 |
| 23:17.37 | thebigdog | nto a master gunny |
| 23:18.22 | mastergunns | master sergeant, thats a butt kicker. those guys are bad asses |
| 23:18.23 | thebigdog | master sgt i guess |
| 23:26.48 | thebigdog | yeah mastergunns he was a master sgt |
| 23:28.18 | mastergunns | awesome. how long has he been out? |
| 23:34.16 | mgeary | heh, sounds like prison. "Hey man, how long you been out?" |
| 23:36.22 | carmony | hey mastergunns |
| 23:37.53 | thebigdog | mastergunns, about 5 yrs now |
| 23:42.50 | mastergunns | hey carmony |
| 23:43.19 | mastergunns | thebigdog: 5 years, cool |
| 23:43.44 | mastergunns | mgeary: in some cases its just like that :) |
| 23:44.06 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:49.11 | mindjuju | as long as you explain that while Yes, the new requests can be done, that it will incur $X additional cost (in programming time) and push back the deadline Y days |
| 23:49.17 | mindjuju | scope creep isn't that bad |
| 23:49.42 | mindjuju | provided you've effectively defined the project in the beginning |
| 23:51.47 | beandog | nope, youre wrong. its bad. |
| 23:51.48 | mindjuju | i should zip down there one day and play some halo 3 |
| 23:52.13 | mindjuju | how so |
| 23:53.12 | beandog | I dunno. |
| 23:54.00 | mindjuju | ~nosepick beandog |
| 23:54.00 | jbot | ACTION plucks beandog out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 23:54.09 | mgeary | well, you see, the key is to have very, very small scopes |
| 23:54.12 | mgeary | and just have lots of them |
| 23:54.42 | mgeary | kind of along the Agile philosophy-- many small releases instead of seldom monolithic releases |
| 23:56.01 | mindjuju | sounds like an interesting idea mgeary |
| 23:56.21 | mindjuju | scope creep would be easier to handle in that since, no? |
| 23:56.31 | mindjuju | relatively speaking, not quite as dramatic |
| 23:56.36 | mgeary | i always pitch to our clients, "yes, we can do as big a <thing> as you need, but we recommend a phased approach, where in each phase we ask the question, 'what's the simplest thing we can release that is worth releasing'" ? |
| 23:56.52 | beandog | the nose of humanity? |
| 23:57.33 | mgeary | sometimes the simplest thing that is worth releasing is still quite complex and large, but often it's not |
