IRC log for #uphpu on 20081211

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01:02.36thebigdogdude i had some guy ask me if i could do some image work
01:02.59thebigdoghe told me his pics of himself are too fat and he wanted himself thinned out
01:03.17thebigdoghe asked me how much...i told him that golds is having a special on that
01:09.00tierrahaha
01:09.06tierrathebigdog: ^5
01:09.09macnewbold~rlart
01:09.10jbotsmacks undertakingyou up side the head with a clue-by-4
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02:41.38herloProvo Linux User Group is streaming tonight http://stream.utos.org:8080
02:41.41herlojust a reminder for those who want to learn about SELinux
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04:17.55Trevyn1Where can I find a VB writer?
04:18.10Trevyn1UVBU? :p
04:19.27carmony_lol
04:19.38carmony_I know VB, does't mean I really care for it ;)
04:19.46carmony_just don't try #utah
04:19.48carmony_:P
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04:55.48carmony_mindjuju: you around?
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07:29.39macnewbold~zippy
14:56.59SunSparcGood Morning!
14:57.14mindjuju~apb carmony
14:57.15jbotACTION hires Leland to rough up carmony
14:57.17mindjujusup sunsparc
14:57.23SunSparc:)
14:57.37SunSparcWaiting for a large commit to finish.
14:57.56SunSparcLovin on my iPhone
14:58.19mindjujuwhen did you get it
14:58.38SunSparcOh, I have had an iPhone since they came out.
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14:58.52SunSparcBut it never ceases to amaze me.
14:59.05SunSparcIt is hard to call it a phone anymore.  It is so much more.
14:59.16mindjuju:)
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15:34.34carmonyI love my iPhone too
15:35.09SunSparc:)
15:35.41mindjujucarmony, i'm here if you want to talk
15:37.02carmonyoh, did you ever get around to doing those videos? ;)
15:37.20mindjujuthey are mostly done, but not quite finished
15:37.37mindjujui should swing over to your and just do it, since it is slides and onely 1 thing that needs to be pulled
15:37.46mindjujucould prolly queue it up today
15:38.02carmonyyeah, well I fixed my server's root problem, so no biggie now
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17:20.16mindjuju~apb fungus
17:20.17jbotACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to rough up fungus
17:20.42mindjuju~apb jsmith
17:20.43jbotACTION summons Dog the Bounty Hunter to stake out jsmith
17:21.53beandog~donut mindjuju
17:22.51mindjujusup beandog
17:23.05beandogmm, moving hosting stuff all around
17:23.05beandogyou?
17:23.32mindjujufunny you say that, we're considering the same
17:23.40mindjujuin fact, that's why was wanting fungus
17:24.00mindjujui'm almost positive he's the guy with part of a rack at xmission
17:24.03fungusFungus is now alive
17:24.05mindjujuor maybe it was macnewbold
17:24.09mindjujuheya fungus
17:24.11beandogI know macnewbold has one
17:24.16mindjujuyou have some equip at xmission, no?
17:24.23beandogI was gonna move mine to his, but I never really got around to it. :T
17:24.24fungusI have a full rack at XM
17:24.40funguswell, my company does.
17:24.53mindjujuso fungus, do you by chance know, how many Us are in a 1/3 cabinet ?
17:25.43fungusI don't know for sure, but I would guess about 16
17:27.16mindjuju16 would be awesome, would be enough for my servers and a small microwave so i could warm up some food while i work
17:27.47fungusI don't think you would be happy about the power overage bill.  :)
17:28.13fungusor worse, imaging a blown circuit breaker.  eek!
17:28.23mindjujuyeah, that would not be good
17:34.23beandogI wish this job came with more christmas cookies.
17:34.47beandogso many employee issues could be waylaid by sugar.
17:35.11mindjujuheh, you should ask dexterthedragon about that
17:35.41beandogDexterTheDragon, youre bringing me cookies? :D
17:36.03DexterTheDragonthe cookies are mine
17:36.06mindjujuif i remember correctly, he once worked for a company where the company bonus was Ice cream
17:36.15beandoglol
17:36.16mindjujuwas it klondie or fatboys?
17:36.33mindjujudexterthedragon, did i remember correctly?
17:36.36DexterTheDragonfatboys
17:37.00mindjujuor somehow it was an incentive, i remember that
17:42.12carmonymmmm.... fatboys
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17:43.23carmonyanyone here know Novell really well?
17:43.30mgearythe company?
17:44.01carmonytheir software
17:44.26carmonyI inherited a Novell based network :P (my father-in-law's business)
17:45.08mgeary~console carmony
17:45.08jbotACTION gives carmony the consolation moose
17:46.00beandogmoose or noose?
17:46.09carmonylol
17:46.25mgearybeandog: that's morbid
17:46.44beandogwell what good is a moose?
17:47.02mgearymmmmm. Moose
17:47.12beandogee.
17:48.31mindjujuis moose poop really that long that it can be straighted and shellacked and turned into a walking stick?
17:48.43mgearywell, they just use it in the handle, iirc
17:48.51mindjujujk
17:48.55mgearythey've got them in Jackson Hole
17:48.55beandogo.O
17:49.07mindjujumoose poop art
17:49.17mindjujuwhat a crazy world, somebody ought to sell tickets
17:49.51thebigdogthey have moose nugget earrings too
17:50.06mindjujuthat's awesome, moose nuggets
17:50.39thebigdoghttp://www.random-good-stuff.com/2006/03/22/real-moose-poop-doo-doo-nugget-earrings-jewelry/
17:50.53thebigdogget them for wife and she will love || hate you
17:51.08mindjujuthat's awesome
17:51.51mindjujuthat's smaller than i thought moose poop would be
17:52.07mindjujumaybe it's just that I'm comparing it to cow pies
17:52.07thebigdoghehe
17:52.08thebigdogyeah
17:52.22thebigdogjust thing rabbits
17:52.37thebigdogso the piles are huge but they nuggets are small
17:52.55mindjujucurious
17:52.59carmonytmi
17:53.52beandogmmm, nuggets
17:54.02beandognow Im hungry
17:54.11mindjujuso who here does VOIP besides jsmith and Utah_Dave
17:55.02unumwe use voip here
17:55.20mindjujuso can asterisk do conference calls?
17:55.25unumya
17:55.29mindjujuwhere do they get merged
17:55.39unumhow do you mean
17:55.42mindjujuis that something that asterisk does
17:55.45unumya
17:55.47mindjujuor do you still have to have a bridge
17:55.49mindjujuoh, gotcha
17:56.54unumI think I've onle used the meetme stuff on asterisk
17:56.59fungusI "do" asterisk, but I'm not much of an expert.
17:57.18mindjujuwell, I need to work out a bridge for like 20 clients
17:57.19beandogmmm, peanuty goodness
17:57.22fungusasterisk becomes the actual bridge
17:57.40mindjujuhmmm
17:57.55mindjujudo i need a powerhouse of a box to use asterisk?
17:58.10beandogyes
17:58.20fungusFor only 20 simultaneous calls, not really.
17:58.58fungusI have an embedded ARM box that can support up to 15 calls
17:58.59unumI was thinking we were using a really powerful box, but then I realized we have over 300 calls at a time
17:59.31fungusyeah, at 300 that becomes really important.
17:59.35mindjujuso then, after we have the server up, we need to buy minutes or something from arrivaltel, or some voip-ish company, no?
17:59.57unumnot if you only want to call other voip servers
18:00.06unumbut if you want to call out through the telcos yes
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18:00.21mindjujuyeah, i need to have 20 people call into the server
18:00.29mindjujuso i'll need a phone num for them to call
18:00.46mindjujujsmith recommened arrivaltel (i think that's the name)
18:00.59fungusThere are several VOIP providers that will work, and don't cost an arm and a leg.
18:01.13unumso ya you'll need a number(I can't remember the abbreviation) and a line
18:01.34unumthere are more voip users in #utaug
18:01.51unumthough jsmith is definetaly the most helpful
18:03.35beandogi can haz cheezburger?
18:12.04beandoghmm
18:12.10beandogapple juice + peanut m&ms = meh
18:25.54DexterTheDragonmmmmmm peanut m&m's
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18:32.11SunSparcapple juice + orange juice = yum
18:33.52SunSparcorange juice + coke = Spatze
18:35.35mgearyOrange Juice and Coke together make a sparrow?
18:35.53SunSparcmgeary: You don't know what Spatze is?
18:36.04SunSparcIt was a popular drink when I lived in Germany.
18:37.27mgearywell, Spatzen == Sparrow
18:37.40mgearynever encountered that as a drink in DE
18:37.44SunSparcSparrow or Sparrows?
18:38.09mgearySparrows
18:38.19mgearysingular is Spatz, i think
18:38.27SunSparcAh
18:38.50mgearyand in CH they say Spätzle, i believe, which is also a tasty noodle dish
18:39.05mgearythe swiss always add ¨and "le" to things :)
18:53.09SunSparcMmmm, Spätzle = geschmeckt gut
18:55.23mgearyyeah, though if you ever go to the Mid-west (Ohio), i don't recommend what the Amana call Spätzle. It's more like hashbrowns than rubbed flour noodles. Meh
18:55.37mgearyi was all excited
18:55.53mgearybleh
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19:00.04itimbersup guys
19:00.54fungusis it me, or does itimber hardly work.  Comes in at noon, and leaves around 4?
19:01.11itimberLOL
19:01.17itimberquite the opposite
19:01.22itimberI assure you
19:02.17itimberstopped working yesterday at 12:30 am this morn
19:02.22mindjujubanker hours
19:02.25itimberstarted again this morn at 8
19:02.48itimbertake a break from 5pm to 8pm
19:02.56itimber:)
19:03.17itimbernot my bank!!!
19:03.25_psychic_fungus: is the assuption that if you're in here you're working? I think it's closer to the opposite :/
19:03.45itimberLOL
19:03.47itimberfo sho
19:04.01itimberI'm eating lunch, that's why I realized I wasn't on IRC
19:04.23fungusYes, I was under the wrong impression.  
19:06.28itimber<blatant self promotion> When I have work to do, I work hard and fast </blatent self promotion>
19:06.34itimberHIRE ME
19:06.35itimber:)
19:06.41funguslol, nice!
19:06.58itimberlol
19:08.17itimberfungus: have you seen an influx of work w/ this economy?? I would think some guys would lay off a percentage of their staff, then call SOS when they need an extra hand
19:09.26fungusActually when companies lay off people, the temp workers are the first to go, so we are in a proactive contraction right now.
19:10.34fungusBut not shrinking as fast as the competition.  so that's nice.
19:11.23itimberthat's good
19:46.28itimber~economy--
19:49.42DexterTheDragonfungus: yes
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19:54.33fungusyes about what?
19:55.09DexterTheDragondon't use cvs
19:55.44fungusI haven't touched CVS in a very long time, is it really that bad?
19:56.10DexterTheDragonmaintaining a svn/git server is cake if you use ssh to authenticate
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19:57.34DexterTheDragonthere's just better options than cvs out there now
19:59.36fungusOk, I'll setup my own server.  You've convinced me.
20:00.52DexterTheDragonpretty much for svn or git you can just have the repo on the server then just access it through a ssh url
20:01.19fungusRight now I have 3 or 4 file:// based repos scattered over different servers.  It's getting painful now.
20:02.23DexterTheDragonjust stick them all on the same server and change file:// for svn+ssh://
20:02.56fungusI was worried about the whole ssh thing, until I read the part about the --tunnel-user option.
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20:19.02SunSparchttp://www.amazing1.com/plasma_fire_saber.htm
20:20.45carmony_lol, Fire Saber? :P
20:21.05SunSparcLooks pretty coo;
20:24.50carmony_it reminds me of something....
20:25.21SunSparcSomething far far away?
20:25.51carmony_I just... feel.... some kind of.... force... when I look at it.
20:26.24carmony_Change my sentence structures the fire saber does....
20:26.25carmony_:P
20:27.07SunSparcYeah, I know what you mean.  So weird.  ;)
20:27.46SunSparcSimilar to : http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/adc5/
20:27.58SunSparcOr even:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/69de/
20:31.45herloI know this is a strange request, but does anyone in here want a job doing flash development?  I have a contact...
20:31.57herloI don't have any details other than that, but if anyone is intersted
20:32.07herloI'll also send it out on the jobs list shortly
20:40.03mindjujuthetreelinegroup - mgeary and MediaRain - _psychic_ both do that stuff
20:40.24mindjuju^for herlo on flash dev ^
20:40.32_psychic_if it's a project
20:41.12herloI don't know if it's contract work or not, but I'll give you the guys name and email if you wish and you can sort out the details
20:41.57mindjujuherlo, are yous till going to the byu surplus sale?
20:42.08herlomindjuju: sure, is that tonight?
20:42.14mindjuju4p
20:42.43mindjuju4p -> 6p, then there is that tweetup thing
20:42.46herlomindjuju: okay, let me do a couple things, but yeh
20:42.55mindjujui'm not sure how long i'll stya, but i might go
20:43.09_psychic_herlo: for sure I'm down
20:43.26herlo_psychic_: pm me your contact info and I'll forward it to him and his to you
20:45.58beandogI cant believe reputable sites still use popups.
20:48.44SunSparcAre popups bad?
20:48.49SunSparcj/k
20:48.56SunSparc~lart popups
20:48.56jbotfarts in popups's general direction
20:49.42SunSparcIn screen css popups are the new cool thing.  Who needs a new window.
21:04.53beandogyah, just give me a new monitor
21:39.30mgearyW00T!!!!
21:39.40mgearymy trees have been SAVED
21:40.44mgeary~14 fruit trees and ~40 Gambel Oak trees will live to delight and feed us for years to come
21:41.40beandogyay!
21:41.41beandogdid you save the plum tree?
21:41.44mgearyyep
21:41.56mgearywe are going to lose one apple tree, but we have 9 others
21:42.02mgearyso i'm okay with that
21:42.29beandogright on
21:42.33beandogwhatd you do
21:43.10mgearymade it clear that i cared, made a ton of phone calls, and appealed to reason
21:43.14_psychic_was someone attacking your trees?
21:43.14beandogWolverine.
21:43.16beandogHe loves pears.
21:43.39_psychic_Sliced pears.
21:43.43mgeary_psychic_: Rocky Mtn Power has been going through our neighborhood taking out entire trees all over the place. We're up pretty high on the hill under some pretty high voltage lines
21:44.07_psychic_nice
21:44.08mgearyTheir contractor told us they were going to take out all the trees on the upper half of the slope of our back yard
21:44.21mgearyamounts to probably 1/3 acre of trees
21:44.44mgearywould have caused huge soil erosion concerns, not to mention landscaping, privacy and home value costs
21:45.41mgearyi escalated it to where their Forester came out, and he agreed that nearly all the trees in question posed no risk, and could be left alone
21:46.02mgearygot most of my neighbors involved as well and saved most of their trees as well
21:46.11beandogand Jean Gray saved the day
21:46.25mgearyJean Gray my foot
21:47.02mgearyit was Warlock
21:47.12beandog:)
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22:05.49beandogmgeary, thats cool man, sounds like it was a bit of work
22:06.22mgearyi'm telling you, i've spent a ton of time on this. Spoken to everyone you can imagine, and a few you couldn't
22:07.22unumhonestly, this is why I volunteer for political campaigns
22:07.41unumglad to hear you were able to get things settled reasonably
22:10.08mgearyme too. Especially since it looked to be a very (very!) difficult legal campaign
22:10.52mgearyit's definitely arguable whether their easement (to the extent that it could be documented) allows them to remove trees at will, but they definitely claim that right, and they appear to have supreme jurisdiction
22:10.55mgearywhich is insane
22:11.16mgearythere is no one you can appeal to (that isn't *them*) without suing them
22:13.37beandogyou could have just taken the shortcut
22:13.42beandogsit out next to your trees with a shotgun
22:13.48beandogand some lemonade
22:16.56unumthey have some fairly powerful friends....
22:17.03unumjust like qwest
22:18.14mgearyyep, they've all got common cause in defending/interpreting their easements like this
22:22.51mgearyand very deep pockets
22:27.26carmonymindjuju, you there?
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22:50.25beandogman, my brain is fried
22:50.59mgeary~fry beandog's brain
22:50.59jbotACTION grabs beandog's brain and fries him on his BFCooker9000
22:51.45beandogit's time for another cozy afternoon with youtube!
22:54.10thebigdoghttps://www.ironkey.com/personal i'm getting me one
22:56.07thebigdogdude it is waterproof
22:58.45beandogdo you go swimming with electronics frequently?
22:59.26itimberthat looks awesome thebigdog
22:59.38herlomindjuju: not going to be able to make it down that way today
22:59.41thebigdogbeandog, well yeah
22:59.45thebigdogim thebigdog see
22:59.56herlounum: did you teach a class at the SL Public Library yesterday?
23:00.00thebigdogand it will self destruct
23:05.59itimberdon't hit the wrong button on it then
23:06.00itimber:)
23:07.07thebigdogtype your password in wrong and it will self destruct after 10 failed attempts
23:07.35itimberthat's cool
23:12.46carmonyLOL, so I think my skype in number belonged to some DJ Company that went under. I keep getting calls from collection agencies.
23:13.14beandogheh
23:13.36beandogI get collection calls for the tenant who lived in my apartment before me
23:13.39unumherlo: yes I did
23:14.50unuma friend of mine knows the guy that got my old logan number
23:18.11fungusI got me one of these the other day.  http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/a6d9/
23:18.37fungusSo small, I could swallow the evidence.  :)
23:18.56beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/13/funny-pictures-what-im-helping/
23:38.26beandogfungus, hey thast pretty cool
23:38.47beandogId be afraid to lose it
23:39.03fungusYeah, me too.
23:39.52carmonyme three
23:47.01itimberI'm out.... later guys
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