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| 00:05.36 | carmony_ | uuuuuuuugggggggg |
| 00:05.42 | carmony_ | computers hate me |
| 00:10.09 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:10.35 | jsmith-away | carmony: No, they really hate *all* of us... you're just more sensitive to it |
| 00:24.57 | mindjuju | psh |
| 00:25.04 | mindjuju | haven't heard it, but it don't sound good |
| 00:25.17 | mindjuju | me thinks thebigdog better Run Like Hell :: Pink Floyd |
| 00:30.53 | Utah_Dave | later, everyone |
| 00:31.00 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 00:31.01 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 00:32.03 | mindjuju | what a dog |
| 00:34.10 | jsmith | mindjuju: Just for that, I'll listen to some more Scorpion for you :-) |
| 00:35.45 | thebigdog | is beandog around? |
| 00:36.18 | jsmith | Doesn't appear to be |
| 00:38.05 | mindjuju | jsmith, didn't peg ya for a scorps listener |
| 00:38.07 | mindjuju | but that cool |
| 00:38.19 | jsmith | mindjuju: I'm all over early 80's rock :-) |
| 00:38.26 | mindjuju | nice |
| 00:38.31 | jsmith | mindjuju: (But that begs the question... what *did* you peg me for?) |
| 00:39.00 | mindjuju | REM, OMD, maybe some INXS |
| 00:39.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:44.12 | jsmith | mindjuju: Well... I won't speak publicly for OMD or INXS, but I loathe REM |
| 00:44.29 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:44.57 | mindjuju | they come out with a good one, ever now and then, like Everyone Hurts or It's the End of the world |
| 00:45.29 | jsmith | If you say so... |
| 00:46.02 | jsmith | In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'd rather lick my shoe than listen to REM |
| 00:46.16 | mindjuju | rofl |
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| 02:01.40 | KirkOuimet | I'm trying to code a login redirect - anyone free to talk about workflow? |
| 02:01.49 | KirkOuimet | step 1: user accesses login restricted content and is provided a link to login |
| 02:01.57 | KirkOuimet | step 2: user successfully logs in |
| 02:02.05 | KirkOuimet | step 3: user is redirected back to step 1's content |
| 02:02.27 | KirkOuimet | how can I remember the original content that they wanted and pass that through step 2 in the easiest way using php? |
| 02:04.49 | mindjuju | KirkOuimet - not sure if you know this, but you've asked a REALLY big question |
| 02:05.04 | mindjuju | i've got a couple minutes before I leave, but i'll help as best as I can |
| 02:05.25 | mindjuju | so, before I can point you in the right direction, i need to know a little more about what you're doing |
| 02:05.32 | mindjuju | so, here goes question 1 |
| 02:06.00 | mindjuju | 1 - Are you just trying to protect 1 page, or are you trying to lock down a whole side of the website |
| 02:06.26 | mindjuju | as in, you have a publicly viewable portion of the site, and then a "members only" part |
| 02:09.28 | KirkOuimet | umm |
| 02:09.42 | KirkOuimet | in particular I have an update profile page |
| 02:09.47 | KirkOuimet | which the user should not see unless they are logged in |
| 02:10.23 | KirkOuimet | I was thinking of passing the url of the restricted content as a GET variable and then using that in the login process |
| 02:10.37 | KirkOuimet | like after they have successfully logged in redirect the page to whatever is in the GET variable... |
| 02:10.54 | mindjuju | what happens if a person just bookmarks the profile update page |
| 02:10.59 | mindjuju | and returns to it from the bookmark |
| 02:11.09 | mindjuju | at that point, they won't be logged in and on the page |
| 02:11.32 | mindjuju | so there is something called sessions in PHP |
| 02:11.44 | KirkOuimet | yeah |
| 02:11.48 | mindjuju | and what you can do, its an array of variables |
| 02:12.04 | mindjuju | and you can create a session variable saying if the person is logged in, and other info about the person |
| 02:12.15 | KirkOuimet | I actually have a user object stored in a session, as well as cookies that can be saved as well |
| 02:12.20 | mindjuju | and then on your protected pages, check if session exists, and if no, send them to the login page |
| 02:12.24 | KirkOuimet | Ahhh |
| 02:12.28 | KirkOuimet | I see what you are saaying |
| 02:12.36 | KirkOuimet | like do the check immediately and redirect to the login page |
| 02:12.37 | mindjuju | now, next question |
| 02:12.47 | mindjuju | yup, on your question, that's exactly it |
| 02:12.57 | mindjuju | what exactly are you trying to protect and how critical is it |
| 02:13.09 | mindjuju | i mean, is it like financial info, or just small meat and potatoes ? |
| 02:13.12 | KirkOuimet | not super critical, although I'd like to be as secure as possible |
| 02:13.15 | KirkOuimet | let's say it is financial data |
| 02:13.25 | mindjuju | k, that's important to know |
| 02:13.42 | mindjuju | now, i'm not a big advocate of frameworks, though others here are, like dexterthedragon |
| 02:13.47 | mindjuju | i'm going to recommend something |
| 02:13.55 | mindjuju | i'm going to recommend cakephp framework |
| 02:13.59 | mindjuju | the reason is this |
| 02:14.04 | KirkOuimet | ahhh |
| 02:14.13 | mindjuju | if it is critical that information be kept secure, then you'll REALLY want to know what your doing |
| 02:14.19 | mindjuju | or use a framework to boost you up |
| 02:14.35 | mindjuju | now, before i get lynched, don't be lazy and let the framework do everything |
| 02:14.36 | KirkOuimet | yeah I see what you are saying |
| 02:14.45 | mindjuju | that's REALLY bad, it's a stop gap, a quick fix |
| 02:15.02 | mindjuju | try to learn everything about session, and more importantly how they are hacked |
| 02:15.16 | mindjuju | try to get to a point where you understand better |
| 02:15.30 | mindjuju | but, it sounds like you something in place quick, so that's why i suggest cake php |
| 02:15.37 | mindjuju | and you know, cake, from what i've read isn't bad |
| 02:15.43 | KirkOuimet | has the uphp group ever done a session on PHP security |
| 02:15.45 | mindjuju | i just like to roll my own |
| 02:15.46 | KirkOuimet | i'd be way interested in that |
| 02:16.12 | mindjuju | we did several years ago, we should do another |
| 02:16.22 | KirkOuimet | yeah that'd be awesome |
| 02:16.31 | mindjuju | we were going to, but at the last minute speaker bailed out |
| 02:16.50 | mindjuju | so, i'm leaving here in a few minutes, do you have any other questions i can help you with? |
| 02:17.02 | KirkOuimet | no you've been super helpful, thanks so muhc! |
| 02:17.17 | mindjuju | there is one last thing then |
| 02:17.40 | mindjuju | depending on your web server type, there is a quick, cheap and easy solution, but it has NO long term solution |
| 02:17.45 | mindjuju | it's literally a quickie fix |
| 02:17.58 | KirkOuimet | tell me more |
| 02:18.00 | mindjuju | it's called http authentification and it uses .htaccess files on an Apache server |
| 02:18.09 | mindjuju | and what it does is this |
| 02:18.24 | mindjuju | you build a folder and in that folder, you put in an .htaccess file |
| 02:18.39 | mindjuju | in the file, you put in a username and base64 encoded password |
| 02:18.55 | mindjuju | and then when a person tries to navigate there, they have to use the username and password you specified |
| 02:19.20 | KirkOuimet | ahh like with a popup right? |
| 02:19.22 | KirkOuimet | ive seen that |
| 02:19.23 | mindjuju | your best long term is cakephp, but if you just need to clamp down a couple of fiels with a password, http auth is good |
| 02:19.43 | mindjuju | yup, but its a password that apache sends to the client, so it won't use an JS or anything else |
| 02:19.52 | mindjuju | th emoment they navigate there, your web server handles the auth |
| 02:20.17 | mindjuju | k, got to split, but if you invoke some of the names in the list here, somebody will respond |
| 02:20.26 | mindjuju | or come back in daylight hours, we're all here and willing to help |
| 02:20.36 | KirkOuimet | awesome thanks!!! enjoy the night |
| 02:20.49 | mindjuju | yw |
| 02:45.55 | DexterTheDragon | framework what? |
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| 03:45.31 | beandog | merry christmas! |
| 03:45.42 | beandog | \o/ |
| 03:46.20 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: did you celebrate christmas today too? |
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| 04:09.05 | Utah_Dave | I'm going over my HOA's new proposed CC&R's. There's some crazy stuff in there. |
| 04:09.14 | Utah_Dave | I hate HOA's |
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| 06:53.04 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 07:03.59 | herlo | mindjuju: re: mixer and money |
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| 16:19.37 | carmony | everyone read this? http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html |
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| 16:20.07 | carmony | its a pretty funny, yet really sad post |
| 16:21.58 | mindjuju | **whew** there are a lot of AISD, for a sec, i thought it was one in Houston |
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| 16:24.52 | mindjuju | i have a friend that works for Helios |
| 16:25.34 | mindjuju | oh wait, different helios |
| 16:27.39 | SunSparc | carmony: WOW!!! |
| 16:27.47 | SunSparc | That chic is bonked. |
| 16:28.06 | mindjuju | SunSparc, well , yes and no |
| 16:28.27 | mindjuju | it's amazing how behind the times teachers are |
| 16:28.28 | SunSparc | ? |
| 16:28.42 | carmony | she just has a severe case of ignorance |
| 16:28.43 | mindjuju | think about how many schools launched out with the laptop program, and then scaled them back |
| 16:28.48 | SunSparc | Sounds like she is the one holding kids back. Glad she is not my kids teacher. |
| 16:29.03 | mindjuju | well, it's not that she's purposefully holding them back |
| 16:29.07 | mindjuju | she just doesn't know |
| 16:29.10 | mindjuju | like carmony says |
| 16:29.35 | mindjuju | which means that organizations like UTOS really need to get into tschools and help them out |
| 16:29.55 | herlo | mindjuju: okay, okay! |
| 16:30.02 | mindjuju | help teachers see that there are alternatives |
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| 16:30.43 | mindjuju | instead of pyaing $100 for the ed version of photoshop, how about pay... free! (gimp) |
| 16:30.46 | SunSparc | ~lart ignorance |
| 16:30.46 | jbot | takes ignorance to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 16:31.15 | itimber | gimp != photoshop |
| 16:31.20 | SunSparc | mindjuju: "No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful." |
| 16:31.41 | mindjuju | itimber, most people don't know how to use photoshop to the level wps does |
| 16:31.46 | _psychic_ | I agree with that in a sense. |
| 16:31.50 | itimber | true |
| 16:32.01 | mindjuju | for most people, crop, and rotate is enough |
| 16:32.14 | mindjuju | really, are they making composite images and stuff? |
| 16:32.49 | itimber | nope.... you're right |
| 16:32.56 | mindjuju | are they sending stuff where the color HAS TO BE spot on? |
| 16:33.04 | mindjuju | well, i' mean, you've got a point, there is a difference |
| 16:33.18 | mindjuju | but i'm just saying that difference only reveals itself in limited circumstances |
| 16:33.39 | mindjuju | like i got my honey on google docs with spreadsheets, etc |
| 16:33.48 | mindjuju | all she uses it for is putting nums in a column and add |
| 16:34.02 | mindjuju | shes not using heavy functions (which google spread does support) |
| 16:34.08 | mindjuju | though is limited to 256 rows |
| 16:36.56 | mindjuju | k, i'll leave you guys alone, I'm taking a nice leisurely sorta-work day, ie, work from home |
| 16:37.24 | mindjuju | only have 3 17" monitors here, so not quite as effictive as the office, but meh |
| 16:39.21 | jsmith | ~lart mindjuju |
| 16:39.21 | jbot | slaps mindjuju around with a large trout |
| 16:39.46 | mindjuju | ty jsmith |
| 16:47.02 | mindjuju | hey, before I forget, there is a BYU Surplus sale tomorrow |
| 16:47.18 | mindjuju | my notice said they had tons of printers, but had LCDs, and other stuff |
| 16:47.38 | mindjuju | and i think i read they take cash, check and plastic |
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| 16:49.14 | itimber | anyone know Dan's IRC nicik? |
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| 16:50.44 | carmony | Ummm... nope :P |
| 16:53.11 | itimber | k :) |
| 16:53.36 | itimber | oops... misspelled nick |
| 17:01.10 | mindjuju | fungus - did you see this - apple netbook - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eaton/technomix/speculation-increases-arm-powered-apple-netbook-way |
| 17:02.13 | fungus | very interesting |
| 17:08.39 | mindjuju | carmony - weren't you lookiing for vector icons the other day? |
| 17:08.41 | mindjuju | free ones |
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| 17:22.33 | carmony | mindjuju ues |
| 17:22.34 | carmony | yes |
| 17:22.36 | carmony | or cheap |
| 17:22.45 | carmony | I use stockxpert for graphics |
| 17:23.06 | mindjuju | carmony - here ya go bro - i didn't check the license on all, but many were free, and they are hawt - http://www.noupe.com/icons/50-most-beautiful-icon-sets-created-in-2008.html |
| 17:32.54 | tierra | http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/business_finance/phoenixprojectmanager.html |
| 17:41.06 | carmony | how much is Pheonix? |
| 17:41.37 | tierra | $599 normally, but we have a Mac OS X release special going on right now |
| 17:42.46 | SunSparc | Wow, there are some really talented icon artists out there. |
| 17:43.12 | carmony | I know |
| 17:43.20 | carmony | I really, really wish I was good at icons |
| 17:45.04 | SunSparc | Other good stock photo place is http://www.sxc.hu/ |
| 17:55.13 | carmony | its fun to play in photoshop |
| 17:56.01 | carmony | http://screencast.com/t/T2Rir0mHF27 |
| 17:58.13 | SunSparc | Cool |
| 17:58.42 | carmony | Been trying to improve my use of vectors :P |
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| 18:31.13 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 18:31.13 | jbot | does a little 'dpkg -P tierra' action |
| 18:33.11 | SunSparc | ~chuckfact |
| 18:33.11 | jbot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 18:33.42 | SunSparc | jbot, who is your favorite #uphpu member? |
| 18:33.43 | jbot | SunSparc: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:33.59 | SunSparc | Come on, I am sure you have a favorite, jbot. |
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| 22:05.48 | thebigdog | whoa whoa...got my svn master/slave completed today |
| 22:06.34 | thebigdog | i need to write up a blog on that bad boy |
| 22:07.02 | thebigdog | technically it is a peer to peer |
| 22:07.04 | herlo | thebigdog: yes you do! |
| 22:07.24 | thebigdog | cause the slave pulls not the other way |
| 22:07.46 | thebigdog | herlo, yes actually we are working on auth with pgsql |
| 22:08.00 | tierra | man, exciting day today at work... our site is getting hit hard by apple.com referrals... more than 500 downloads of Phoenix today already, 4.3GB xfer |
| 22:08.13 | thebigdog | right now we are just duplicating the files |
| 22:08.27 | thebigdog | tierra, gratz |
| 22:08.53 | herlo | thebigdog: w00t, exactly what I was interested in... |
| 22:09.05 | herlo | well, not pgsql per se, but. :) |
| 22:09.19 | thebigdog | well we will be working it into a dp |
| 22:09.21 | thebigdog | db or ldap |
| 22:09.29 | thebigdog | i think that we are leaning towards ldap |
| 22:10.43 | tierra | the bounce rate on the referrals is way lower than I expected (which is great news, as it means people are actually interested, or maybe it just means Mac users generally actually look into sites they visit, but either way, it's good) |
| 22:12.29 | herlo | thebigdog: right, that's kind of what I want, ldap seems the most logical... |
| 22:12.35 | mgeary | tierra: nice to hear, congrats |
| 22:12.59 | tierra | I can't wait to see the analytics stats for today's visits |
| 22:13.12 | thebigdog | herlo, yeah that is what we wanted to do too...cause i tie some more apps into the auth |
| 22:13.22 | herlo | :) |
| 22:13.41 | tierra | thanks thebigdog and mgeary |
| 22:14.50 | thebigdog | np |
| 22:15.05 | carmony_ | master/slave svn? |
| 22:15.09 | thebigdog | yep |
| 22:15.23 | thebigdog | technically it is proxy writes to master from slave |
| 22:15.32 | carmony_ | why would you need a master/slave for svn? |
| 22:17.40 | thebigdog | cause we have some remote sites that need it and sometimes have lock downs on their networks |
| 22:22.20 | thebigdog | so i have to do it for them |
| 22:22.28 | thebigdog | but i wrote a sweet script that pulls from the master |
| 22:22.39 | thebigdog | i think even beandog would be pleased with it |
| 22:22.40 | itimber | tierra: Congrats man, that's killer news! |
| 22:22.55 | thebigdog | tierra, does it run on linux? |
| 22:24.40 | tierra | linux, heh |
| 22:24.46 | tierra | it could with minimal effort |
| 22:24.47 | thebigdog | yeah i thought about getting one but i am holding out till next year |
| 22:24.56 | tierra | itimber: thanks |
| 22:26.50 | tierra | the only thing stopping us from releasing on linux is yet another copy protection implementation would need to be done, and the build system would need to be adapted for autotools, but even that small of an effort isn't worth it for the minimal user base... support costs would be much higher too |
| 22:27.22 | tierra | but our code already builds with GCC, so we're pretty much there mostly |
| 22:29.40 | tierra | if I ever really get interested to try on my own time, I could take the code home, get it going with autotools, and get a full version build running w/out copy protection, but it's useless for distribution like that, it would just be to prove that it can run on linux too |
| 22:30.44 | thebigdog | yeah probably |
| 22:31.54 | tierra | I've run a much older pre-release version of Phoenix in wine before we added copy protection to the Windows build (copy protection breaks wine though) |
| 22:32.09 | tierra | I think I might still have a screenshot somewhere |
| 22:32.58 | tierra | found it: http://ibaku.net/dump/phoenix-linux.png |
| 22:33.03 | tierra | heh |
| 22:37.54 | thebigdog | did you write it in wxwidgets? |
| 22:38.02 | tierra | yep |
| 22:38.44 | thebigdog | how long did it take to develop? |
| 22:39.15 | tierra | took 2 years before initial release, and it's been 3 years since then to get where we're at now along with our Mac release |
| 22:39.26 | tierra | 5 years total |
| 22:40.16 | tierra | only 3 developers working on it the entire 5 years |
| 22:42.09 | thebigdog | sounds cool...sounds like a long time in dev |
| 22:42.47 | tierra | yeah, it's been a very painful startup |
| 22:43.35 | thebigdog | is that your only product? |
| 22:43.43 | tierra | yeah |
| 22:45.02 | tierra | aiming from the beginning to replace software that costs about $3,000 per user is a pretty ambitious goal |
| 22:45.35 | tierra | it's not your average project management software, heh |
| 22:49.09 | DexterTheDragon | http://buffalobeast.com/133/bigthree.jpg |
| 23:06.28 | _psychic_ | so tru :( |
| 23:27.35 | itimber | I'm out guys.... catch ya on the flip side |
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