| 00:00.09 | beandog | y |
| 00:03.48 | SunSparc | Night all!! |
| 00:08.53 | beandog | mindjuju, whats up |
| 00:35.30 | beandog | I wonder if lastfm has any christmas music |
| 00:36.09 | beandog | ooh, doris day! |
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| 04:16.32 | thebigdog | wow at night no one is around |
| 04:17.35 | mindjuju | ~moon thebigdog |
| 04:17.36 | jbot | ACTION drops his pants and shows thebigdog a full moon. thebigdog drops over dead at the sight. |
| 04:17.42 | herlo | what do you mean? |
| 04:17.46 | thebigdog | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 04:17.47 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 04:17.48 | herlo | we're still here |
| 04:17.53 | herlo | ~simpsons thebigdog |
| 04:17.53 | jbot | ACTION sends thebigdog chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 04:19.33 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 04:19.53 | thebigdog | just you two messing around really |
| 04:20.34 | anotherperson | I'm here too :) |
| 04:21.13 | mindjuju | well, i'd say mostly working |
| 04:21.18 | mindjuju | that is until you bothered me |
| 04:21.21 | mindjuju | now i'm distracted |
| 04:21.23 | mindjuju | thx a heap |
| 04:23.47 | herlo | mindjuju: it weren't me :) |
| 04:24.06 | mindjuju | yeah, twas totally thebigdog |
| 04:24.16 | mindjuju | ~nyuk thebigdog |
| 04:24.16 | jbot | ACTION grabs thebigdog nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
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| 04:31.13 | wps | thebigdog: several weeks ago when I was trying to get IRC to work at the new job, you suggested an IRC client. I want to try that one again now that I have discovered the official proxy |
| 04:31.24 | wps | do you remember which one you had recommended? |
| 04:31.37 | thebigdog | for mac? |
| 04:31.41 | wps | yeah |
| 04:31.56 | thebigdog | colloquy |
| 04:32.03 | wps | I wish |
| 04:32.07 | wps | I love Colloquy |
| 04:32.14 | wps | it doesn't support using a proxy though |
| 04:32.20 | wps | it was a different one you suggested |
| 04:35.43 | thebigdog | xchat |
| 04:35.55 | thebigdog | not sure if that runs on mac |
| 04:40.49 | herlo | I think it does |
| 04:41.03 | herlo | I wonder if irssi works on mac |
| 04:42.22 | herlo | wps: irssi appears to be on macports |
| 04:42.32 | herlo | best irc client evar! |
| 04:43.30 | thebigdog | to an extent |
| 04:43.46 | herlo | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/irssi |
| 04:44.01 | herlo | thebigdog: it rules all irc clients! |
| 04:44.16 | herlo | the herlo claims it so it must be true :) |
| 04:44.17 | thebigdog | ill let you keep thinking that |
| 04:44.31 | herlo | what's wrong with it ?? |
| 04:44.34 | herlo | seriously |
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| 04:47.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 04:49.28 | wps | I'm back |
| 04:49.35 | wps | sorry if you replied and I missed it |
| 04:50.41 | mindjuju | thebigdog didn't reply, just laughed at herlo |
| 04:50.47 | wps | ah |
| 04:52.59 | mindjuju | k, the dad who built this ironman suit for his son is freakin awesome |
| 04:53.00 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9_Z_mhUpw&eurl=http://gizmodo.com/index.php?refId=5097897 |
| 04:56.59 | wps | wow |
| 04:56.59 | herlo | wps: does that mean you didn't get my comments?? |
| 04:56.59 | wps | yes |
| 04:56.59 | herlo | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/irssi |
| 04:57.04 | herlo | wps: irssi appears to be on macports |
| 04:57.11 | herlo | best irc client evar! |
| 04:57.21 | herlo | and then thebigdog proceeded to mock me |
| 04:57.31 | herlo | not sure why, but he's still wrong about this |
| 05:00.28 | thebigdog | mindjuju, they did not tell you that the kid received some strange growths on his back from wearing the suit |
| 05:00.52 | thebigdog | thebigdog is never wrong |
| 05:06.43 | herlo | except when he is |
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| 05:08.02 | thebigdog | sure herlo |
| 05:10.38 | herlo | thebigdog: you are awesome and *almost* always right. But man, you gotta justify your reasoning here. :) |
| 05:12.06 | thebigdog | oh yea herlo of little faith...trust in thebigdog and all will come right |
| 05:12.34 | herlo | thebigdog: I've found nothing to prove that irssi isn't the best irc client in the world |
| 05:13.39 | herlo | just like vim is the best editor hands down |
| 05:16.30 | thebigdog | i agree with that statement |
| 05:16.49 | thebigdog | but not with irssi i have found nothing to state why it is so good |
| 05:16.50 | thebigdog | nothing |
| 05:17.05 | thebigdog | all i hear is guys saying it is good...sounds like emacs to me |
| 05:43.42 | herlo | well, you need to try it then |
| 05:43.57 | herlo | it's flexible, easy to add plugins and very scriptable to start with |
| 05:45.06 | thebigdog | im just messing with ya herlo |
| 05:45.17 | thebigdog | ~whaleslap herlo |
| 05:45.17 | jbot | ACTION beats herlo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:45.36 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i have some talamasca going |
| 05:45.53 | thebigdog | Ah, now this... â03Aquariusâ by 03Talamasca from 03Zodiac ... this is some soul-candy here. |
| 05:50.12 | herlo | thebigdog: I figured, but I have to defend my choices my friend :) |
| 05:50.20 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 05:50.27 | thebigdog | we need to hit some lunch sometime |
| 05:50.34 | thebigdog | but you seem to be always gone |
| 05:50.39 | thebigdog | and have a gfriend now |
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| 05:51.59 | thebigdog | oh crap mgeary is here |
| 05:52.14 | DexterTheDragon | there want all the fun |
| 05:52.24 | thebigdog | man half the peeps in here i dont even know |
| 05:52.54 | herlo | thebigdog: well, here's the thing, I'm in town this week and probably next |
| 05:52.59 | herlo | we could do it next for sure |
| 05:53.07 | herlo | kid is in town this week too so I am working at home |
| 05:53.12 | herlo | thus why I am up so late |
| 05:53.46 | thebigdog | oh nice |
| 05:53.59 | thebigdog | nice to see you have him for the holidays...any snowboarding for you guys? |
| 05:53.59 | herlo | it's good and badk |
| 05:54.10 | herlo | we ski, but yes we went on Sunday |
| 05:54.21 | herlo | snow wasn't great, but it was still fun |
| 05:54.29 | herlo | Shaun is becoming an expert quickly |
| 05:54.42 | herlo | and an ornery cuss when he can't do stuff he'd like to do |
| 05:54.49 | herlo | aka the halfpipe |
| 05:55.22 | herlo | thebigdog: how're things up your way? |
| 05:55.44 | thebigdog | work really |
| 05:55.47 | thebigdog | nothing more |
| 05:55.55 | thebigdog | kids are hitting school and kinda driving me crazy |
| 05:55.57 | herlo | sounds about right. Glad I have a job mostly |
| 05:56.09 | herlo | hitting school? |
| 05:56.25 | DexterTheDragon | ya know, with eggs |
| 05:56.32 | herlo | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 05:56.32 | jbot | blames DexterTheDragon for all the evil in the world |
| 05:56.40 | herlo | see! |
| 05:56.45 | herlo | jbot tells the future |
| 05:56.58 | DexterTheDragon | I'll take credit for some of it, but not all |
| 05:57.05 | thebigdog | yeah just going to school is all |
| 05:57.10 | herlo | well, according jbot... |
| 05:57.16 | thebigdog | yeah i am glad i have a job too |
| 05:57.33 | thebigdog | my job seems that it will be around for atleast 2 years |
| 05:57.38 | thebigdog | so that is good |
| 05:57.40 | herlo | that's good |
| 05:57.47 | thebigdog | if not then i will be heading east |
| 05:57.52 | herlo | where 2? |
| 05:58.05 | thebigdog | dc, wv or va |
| 05:58.15 | herlo | good areas for gov't contracts |
| 05:58.27 | thebigdog | yeah i have my security clearance so i can pick something up |
| 05:58.37 | thebigdog | i have been looking around tonight as i have been working |
| 05:58.52 | thebigdog | so i think i might start getting some of those contracts and see how they work out for me |
| 05:59.05 | herlo | hmm, I have been really considering going to socal nearer shaun |
| 05:59.32 | thebigdog | socal is so expensive though |
| 05:59.43 | thebigdog | but i guess now you can probably get something for a decent price |
| 05:59.56 | thebigdog | the eco is just so unstable |
| 06:00.16 | herlo | well, I don't think I can afford a house there anyway |
| 06:00.20 | thebigdog | wow i am surprised that mindjuju has not said anything to me |
| 06:00.44 | herlo | but I can live in a nicer community where I can commute (hopefully tele) into work |
| 06:02.39 | thebigdog | you still working at guru? |
| 06:02.44 | thebigdog | gurulabs? |
| 06:04.41 | herlo | yep |
| 06:05.06 | thebigdog | how is that working out for ya? |
| 06:05.09 | herlo | I like working there, but I think I am built for startups. I just need to find a good partner |
| 06:05.26 | herlo | I am tired of traveling all the time. however, it's stable |
| 06:05.41 | herlo | they are a good company and treat me well. |
| 06:05.51 | herlo | but Shaun is growing up and I am missing too much of it |
| 06:07.32 | herlo | and i think there's a possibility of starting anew with this gf, she's pretty understanding and patient with me |
| 06:09.45 | thebigdog | good to hear |
| 06:09.57 | thebigdog | would she be willing to move to socal with you? |
| 06:10.01 | herlo | yeah, maybe this time I'll get it right |
| 06:10.08 | herlo | she would be willing yes |
| 06:11.55 | thebigdog | that is always good |
| 06:12.39 | thebigdog | i would love to move if i could |
| 06:12.44 | thebigdog | i just love moving |
| 06:12.51 | herlo | I *abhor* moving |
| 06:12.55 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 06:13.04 | thebigdog | i grew up moving all my life |
| 06:13.12 | thebigdog | so it is a way of life for me |
| 06:13.15 | herlo | but if I don't have to do it again, i would move 10 times in a month just to get it done! |
| 06:13.23 | herlo | then *neveR* move again |
| 06:13.37 | herlo | yeah, military brat? |
| 06:13.51 | herlo | that's how Jennifer is, dad moved a lot for work |
| 06:18.36 | thebigdog | yeah it is in my blood |
| 06:41.43 | herlo | Juno Reactor is da bom |
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| 07:14.17 | herlo | s/rt/r/ |
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| 15:02.30 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 15:03.34 | mindjuju | yo |
| 15:05.21 | herlo | just making sure we're still on for Dec 6 at BGM |
| 15:05.27 | herlo | Fedora Release party :) |
| 15:05.30 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:05.46 | mindjuju | what time, 6p? |
| 15:05.49 | herlo | k, had a couple people suggest other options, but they didn't werk |
| 15:05.52 | herlo | yep, 6-8pm |
| 15:05.58 | herlo | that work? |
| 15:06.05 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:06.23 | herlo | k, I'm doing a F10 release announcement along with more details for the release party |
| 15:06.52 | mindjuju | do you need anything special in the room? |
| 15:06.59 | mindjuju | projector or anything? |
| 15:07.06 | herlo | we could if you want |
| 15:07.12 | herlo | it won't be huge my guess |
| 15:07.19 | herlo | bringing foods |
| 15:07.24 | herlo | that's what I'll be doing |
| 15:07.25 | mindjuju | k, i'll give you the uphpu setup |
| 15:07.32 | herlo | prrrrfct |
| 15:07.35 | mindjuju | wireless router w/o firewall |
| 15:07.48 | mindjuju | so all ports open, projector, power |
| 15:07.55 | herlo | yay! |
| 15:08.25 | mindjuju | nobody better be surfing the pr0n though |
| 15:08.30 | mindjuju | ! |
| 15:08.50 | mindjuju | :) jk |
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| 15:09.20 | mindjuju | ~moon utah_dave |
| 15:09.21 | jbot | ACTION drops his pants and shows utah_dave a full moon. utah_dave drops over dead at the sight. |
| 15:09.53 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 15:09.54 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 15:09.59 | mindjuju | sup bro |
| 15:10.11 | Utah_Dave | just getting in to work. |
| 15:10.15 | Utah_Dave | how are you? |
| 15:10.40 | Utah_Dave | Ugh. I have a morning meeting to go to. Back in a bit |
| 15:10.45 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 15:56.55 | mindjuju | i don't know what it is, but something creepy about this thing - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081124-giant-squid-magnapinna.html |
| 15:57.09 | mindjuju | ~apb synic |
| 15:57.09 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to spray mace at synic |
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| 16:04.18 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Yikes!! Can you say Alien invasion? Looks like the aliens from Independence Day. |
| 16:07.45 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I need you to mail me a Fedora 10 dvd |
| 16:07.58 | Utah_Dave | my internet connection is too slow! |
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| 16:14.50 | herlo | Utah_Dave: you can come over to my house and get one tonight if you like |
| 16:15.04 | herlo | or come to the release Party Dec 6 and I will have plenty :) |
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| 16:30.39 | mindjuju | mgeary, i think you're right, today is definitely a Police / Sting day |
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| 16:48.39 | synic | mindjuju: whatup? |
| 17:00.30 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2008/11/25/snoop-martha-make-mashed-potatoes/ |
| 17:00.36 | beandog | that is freaking hilarious |
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| 17:28.41 | carmony | sup |
| 17:31.09 | SunSparc | Yo |
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| 18:11.35 | Jacob_Kerr | Hey guys. Does anyone know what I can set in my php.ini or httpd.conf file on my aphache server that will allow .html pages to be rendered as .php?? |
| 18:12.19 | beandog | AddType something or other. |
| 18:12.29 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:12.38 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.48 | mgeary | but i feel sorry for your webserver |
| 18:13.56 | Jacob_Kerr | just my own little environment on my system.. |
| 18:14.04 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:14.37 | mgeary | though things like that should make you step back and re-evaluate your architecture. Make sure you're doing the Right Thingâ¢. |
| 18:15.19 | beandog | mgeary, whats wrong with using .html? |
| 18:15.24 | mindjuju | so my question is this, is there REALLY that much time gained by obfuscating the server side language? |
| 18:15.35 | mindjuju | every page, EVERY page will be parsed for PHP |
| 18:15.43 | mgeary | well, every .html page |
| 18:15.51 | mindjuju | where HTML pages are just flung at the browser |
| 18:16.05 | mindjuju | good clarification, thx mgeary! |
| 18:16.33 | beandog | its more fun to obfuscate to a different language. |
| 18:16.37 | beandog | call them all .cfm or .asp |
| 18:16.37 | beandog | :D |
| 18:16.37 | Jacob_Kerr | It's the LDS church and their developers over there.. I am just doing the GUI |
| 18:17.02 | mgeary | the church uses PHP? That's a recent change, if it's true |
| 18:17.07 | Jacob_Kerr | but I think it's a big pain in the but and it's rather annoying I wish they were not using .html for all the pages.. |
| 18:17.09 | beandog | yah |
| 18:17.21 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I am working on their Church Unit Banking system.. |
| 18:17.23 | mgeary | they've got very little history using FOSS, imo |
| 18:17.24 | mindjuju | well, wait a minute |
| 18:17.25 | beandog | mgeary, I thought they were using Sun/Solaris |
| 18:17.45 | mgeary | i thought they were a big M$ + Java shop |
| 18:17.46 | mindjuju | they are prolly masking the page with an .html |
| 18:17.53 | mindjuju | not processing each HTML page |
| 18:18.45 | Jacob_Kerr | well they are all .html pages with php includes on them and there's a lot of pages that have php in the html page. |
| 18:19.02 | mindjuju | oh |
| 18:19.10 | mindjuju | you're right then |
| 18:19.27 | mgeary | ...which again suggests a sub-optimal architecture... ;) |
| 18:19.31 | Jacob_Kerr | they are using alot of jquery I do not know if that maybe why they are doing it.. |
| 18:19.59 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL.. |
| 18:20.03 | mgeary | not when we're so overdue for a guns/Wal*Mart argument |
| 18:20.19 | Jacob_Kerr | yeah those are always fun.. |
| 18:20.25 | mindjuju | so though, like i asked, is there REALLY that much security gained by masking what server language is being used? |
| 18:20.45 | mgeary | well, it's certainly not a very significant layer |
| 18:20.48 | Jacob_Kerr | beats me... |
| 18:20.56 | mindjuju | i'm buying guns and I only buy foodstuff at Wal*mart - toys must come from toys r us, hammers from lowes or home depot |
| 18:20.59 | mgeary | but if that's all you want to do, use mod_rewrite |
| 18:21.07 | mgeary | rather than having all pages passed through your php parser |
| 18:21.18 | Jacob_Kerr | I could see increased security... |
| 18:21.29 | Jacob_Kerr | but I think it's all going to be on an intanet anyway. |
| 18:21.59 | beandog | man |
| 18:22.03 | beandog | the best jobs have free M&Ms |
| 18:22.09 | DexterTheDragon | masking the extension doesn't provide any security, I can still find what its running |
| 18:22.16 | Jacob_Kerr | but nvm that does not make sense. I do remember hearing someone say it's going to be on an intranet.. |
| 18:22.25 | Jacob_Kerr | True.. |
| 18:22.39 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon, see, that's my point |
| 18:22.42 | Jacob_Kerr | but if it's on the web and people are search for php pages to send quiries to??? |
| 18:22.51 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: only if your webserver is advertising it, but it's still not significant security |
| 18:22.58 | Jacob_Kerr | through google and other search engines.. |
| 18:22.59 | Jacob_Kerr | etc. |
| 18:22.59 | beandog | mindjuju, no, not really. |
| 18:23.00 | mindjuju | maybe dataw0lf can speak on this? |
| 18:23.18 | beandog | biggest external vuln is probably gonna be sql injection |
| 18:23.21 | beandog | regardless of language. |
| 18:23.29 | mindjuju | yup, agree beandog |
| 18:23.31 | beandog | of course theres still remotely exploitable server bugs |
| 18:23.39 | beandog | er, language bugs |
| 18:23.47 | Jacob_Kerr | people looking to do sql injection on .html pages? |
| 18:23.50 | mindjuju | but, you're missing the obvious beandog |
| 18:24.05 | Jacob_Kerr | prob less the people looking to inject a more dynamic page right. |
| 18:24.09 | beandog | servers leave fingerprints though |
| 18:24.14 | mindjuju | you're using a bot to test if a website is exploitable on a particular language, the question - why discriminate? |
| 18:24.15 | beandog | its not hard to find out what someone is running. |
| 18:24.18 | mindjuju | it's a freakin' bot |
| 18:24.22 | mgeary | beandog: only if you configure them that way |
| 18:24.23 | mindjuju | have it throw everything at every site |
| 18:24.30 | beandog | mindjuju, thats the thing. If you want to do a targeted attack, youre not gonna use a bot. |
| 18:24.57 | beandog | if you just wanna act 12 and pwn foomomma.com |
| 18:25.00 | beandog | then have fun. |
| 18:25.23 | mindjuju | direct attacks on webservers i don't know, web form probing i do |
| 18:26.06 | beandog | mindjuju, well youre probably right. you could use a bot for that to just send fuzzy info to see what breaks a form on an entire site |
| 18:26.14 | beandog | well, not probably, you are right. |
| 18:26.55 | mindjuju | well, just in this argument, i need to understand better though, IS in general |
| 18:27.35 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I am ure .html doesnot help secure a website from direct attacks but I believe a large ammount of hackers find dynamic sites through search engines to query by the mass having .html may help secure the site from those types of attacks?? |
| 18:27.57 | beandog | Jacob_Kerr, that's just putting off the inevitable though |
| 18:28.11 | beandog | Its only a matter of one variable adding in checking .html as well as .php |
| 18:28.54 | mindjuju | Jacob_Kerr - it's been a while since i skimmed the dark alleys of the internet to learn more about web form probing, but when i was there, they were using bots and worms to do thier scanning |
| 18:28.56 | mindjuju | not google |
| 18:28.57 | beandog | the best approach has always just been to write secure code. |
| 18:29.29 | mindjuju | ie, they themselves aren't sitting around poking, they were having programs do it, and compiling lists of exploitable pages |
| 18:30.05 | mindjuju | faster / easier and prolly run it as a daemon while they play WoW or whatever |
| 18:30.09 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:30.55 | beandog | or buy their guns at walmart |
| 18:31.11 | beandog | I had to go there yesterday. I feel so dirty. |
| 18:31.21 | DexterTheDragon | bots don't care about extension. they are either looking for a known version of a program that has an exploit. or just looking for forms. whether those are on .php, .html, .pl, .py or no extension doesn't really matter |
| 18:32.42 | mgeary | beandog: whatever, you "had" to go there |
| 18:32.58 | beandog | mgeary, I work out in the boonies, its honestly the closest thing. |
| 18:33.04 | beandog | It took me an hour just to get there and back. |
| 18:33.10 | mgeary | where do you work? |
| 18:33.16 | beandog | west of the airport |
| 18:33.30 | beandog | So its about 20 minutes to go anywhere. |
| 18:34.21 | mindjuju | @DexterTheDragon - yup |
| 18:34.44 | mindjuju | that's why i say, who is being ticked by using some off extension .123 or .html |
| 18:34.52 | mindjuju | sorry, not ticked, tricked |
| 18:35.24 | beandog | mindjuju, the casual observer |
| 18:37.04 | beandog | yah |
| 18:37.23 | mindjuju | so beandog, i need your opinion on something, (from last night) |
| 18:37.34 | beandog | batman > * |
| 18:37.36 | beandog | there ya go. |
| 18:37.37 | beandog | :) |
| 18:42.20 | mindjuju | should prolly clarify, that's danny elfman batman > * |
| 18:51.32 | beandog | mm, elfman. |
| 18:51.44 | mgeary | meh |
| 18:51.56 | mindjuju | psh, elfman is the best |
| 18:52.04 | mindjuju | right up there with Mozart and Beethoven |
| 18:52.11 | mindjuju | oh, and Bach, he's up there too |
| 18:52.11 | mgeary | Terry Gilliam > Danny Elfman |
| 18:52.13 | mgeary | well |
| 18:52.22 | mgeary | let me amend that, since that's Director & Composer |
| 18:52.32 | mgeary | Terry Gilliam > Tim Burton |
| 18:52.58 | mindjuju | Beethoven > Elfman > Bach > Mozart |
| 18:54.23 | mindjuju | psh |
| 18:54.27 | mindjuju | mgeary, it's more like this |
| 18:54.42 | mindjuju | s. leone > Burton > * |
| 18:55.38 | mindjuju | well, hitchcock is up there, somewhere around Burton |
| 18:55.41 | mindjuju | prolly after |
| 18:56.48 | beandog | hitchcock is the man |
| 18:56.58 | beandog | although, really, I think only a *small* part of his films are good / exceptional |
| 18:57.07 | beandog | he didn't consistenly hit them out of the park. |
| 18:57.12 | mindjuju | yeah, but is he better than burton |
| 18:57.27 | mindjuju | well, burton did do Corpse Bride, which was good, but not mind-blowing |
| 18:57.35 | beandog | man that one sucked |
| 18:57.38 | beandog | I was sorely disappointed. |
| 18:57.39 | mindjuju | see |
| 18:57.50 | beandog | but he did do Charlie and the Chocolate Factory |
| 18:57.55 | beandog | which redeems him for all past crap |
| 18:58.08 | mindjuju | and scisosorhand |
| 18:58.24 | mindjuju | and le creme de la creme, Nightmare before Christmas |
| 18:58.24 | beandog | Edward Scissorhands is just classic Burton. |
| 18:58.31 | beandog | Actually that was whats his name. |
| 18:58.34 | beandog | Burton didn't direct it. |
| 18:58.44 | beandog | Henry Sellick? something. |
| 18:58.58 | beandog | but it was his story / production |
| 18:59.01 | beandog | so technically, it was his. |
| 18:59.02 | beandog | :) |
| 18:59.14 | mindjuju | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099487/ |
| 18:59.16 | beandog | er, not technically, essentially |
| 18:59.16 | mindjuju | edward |
| 18:59.26 | mindjuju | or do you mean nightmare? |
| 18:59.30 | beandog | nightmare |
| 18:59.49 | beandog | Director: Henry Selick |
| 18:59.54 | mindjuju | curious, didn't know |
| 19:00.07 | beandog | same director also did James and the Giant Peach |
| 19:00.09 | beandog | which was really meh. |
| 19:00.31 | mindjuju | danny elfman SANG jack skellington? who knew? |
| 19:00.52 | mgeary | meh |
| 19:02.10 | mindjuju | it's ok mgeary, to like Nightmare |
| 19:02.18 | mindjuju | sure it's trendy, and you'd be part of the crowd |
| 19:02.24 | mindjuju | but, it's for good reason |
| 19:02.28 | mgeary | Spirited Away kicks Nightmare's butt |
| 19:02.31 | mindjuju | it REALLY is good! |
| 19:02.58 | mgeary | Miyazaki > Burton |
| 19:04.00 | mindjuju | mgeary - here is danny elfman singing |
| 19:04.00 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY2tJRh5VA8 |
| 19:04.03 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 19:04.18 | mindjuju | and that link is 100% no rick roll guarantee ! |
| 19:08.39 | beandog | all mindjuju links are rickrolls |
| 19:09.02 | beandog | your creds have been revoked |
| 19:09.03 | beandog | :) |
| 19:09.08 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:09.12 | mindjuju | did i get ya yesterday? |
| 19:09.19 | mindjuju | with the Charlie and unicorn 3? |
| 19:09.31 | beandog | well I didnt click on it til like 3 hours later, but yah |
| 19:09.36 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:09.38 | beandog | ~shun mindjuju |
| 19:09.39 | jbot | You are dead to me, mindjuju. |
| 19:09.42 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:10.15 | mindjuju | k, i've actually got to split for a bit, but here is something for your lunch time reading - http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-20-stupidest-gi-joe-vehicles-ever/ |
| 19:10.21 | mindjuju | so funny |
| 19:10.30 | mindjuju | 100% no rick roll guarantee! |
| 19:12.46 | beandog | lol #15 |
| 19:13.34 | beandog | and #12 |
| 19:14.07 | beandog | "Imagine showing up for war one day, and they tell you to get in this thing. The helmet this guy is wearing is going to serve about the same purpose as aluminum foil on a baked potato." |
| 19:14.09 | beandog | roflmao |
| 19:16.24 | beandog | man |
| 19:16.28 | beandog | I actually *want* some of these now |
| 19:41.00 | beandog | Does anyone know how to kill the form caching in Mozilla |
| 19:41.02 | beandog | drives me nuts. |
| 19:41.13 | beandog | For example, you're working on a page form. You edit a value. Refresh. Value doesn't change. |
| 19:42.30 | beandog | doing all the standard header crap doesn't make a difference. |
| 19:42.40 | beandog | I have to do ctl shift reload to reset it. |
| 19:43.26 | mgeary | Safari++ |
| 19:52.34 | beandog | mgeary, Id try that, but their download page is down. |
| 19:53.14 | beandog | looks like IE doesnt have the bug. |
| 19:54.42 | mgeary | what?? |
| 19:57.38 | beandog | I got one hit |
| 19:59.09 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: why would you edit a value then hit refresh? |
| 19:59.31 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, I have a form with preset values |
| 19:59.40 | beandog | <input type='text' name='amount' size='15' value='1770'> |
| 19:59.45 | beandog | hit backspace / edit it / whatever |
| 19:59.48 | beandog | then hit refresh |
| 19:59.50 | beandog | it keeps the edited value |
| 19:59.55 | mgeary | that's incredibly lame |
| 19:59.58 | beandog | it doesn't reset it to the original. |
| 20:00.08 | beandog | Its annoying when youre working with a lot of forms. |
| 20:00.12 | DexterTheDragon | right. but why would you change a form value then hit refresh |
| 20:00.19 | beandog | Because Im testing |
| 20:00.22 | DexterTheDragon | so this is just a testing reason |
| 20:00.23 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 20:00.26 | mgeary | psh. testing. |
| 20:00.54 | DexterTheDragon | I actually prefer mozilla's method when testing |
| 20:01.01 | mgeary | "don't" ? |
| 20:02.47 | beandog | mgeary, huh? |
| 20:03.01 | beandog | meh |
| 20:03.03 | beandog | I hate this bug. |
| 20:03.12 | beandog | no amount of invalidate cache code will fix it. |
| 20:03.24 | mgeary | i don't think it's a bug. I think they think that's a good idea |
| 20:03.27 | mgeary | which is incredibly lame |
| 20:04.33 | beandog | rawr. |
| 20:06.16 | beandog | theres gotta be a way to fix that. |
| 20:37.28 | SunSparc | mindjuju: That GI Joe page was funny. |
| 20:38.52 | beandog | Now this is interesting. |
| 20:38.57 | beandog | if I set the value to uniqid() |
| 20:38.59 | beandog | it still caches it. |
| 20:39.14 | beandog | meaning its just caching the form data completely, regardless of what the headers are. |
| 20:39.15 | beandog | or content |
| 20:39.33 | beandog | it will only generate a new ID if I do a hard refresh |
| 20:45.58 | mindjuju | ~moon macnewbold |
| 20:45.58 | jbot | ACTION drops his pants and shows macnewbold a full moon. macnewbold drops over dead at the sight. |
| 20:46.08 | mindjuju | thought you might need that, bro |
| 20:46.40 | beandog | finally, found a solution |
| 20:47.27 | beandog | http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh |
| 20:48.43 | mindjuju | course though, what if it isn't? |
| 20:49.16 | beandog | <form autocomplete=off> |
| 20:49.18 | beandog | thats the short version |
| 20:49.34 | beandog | the other one is some javascript hing |
| 20:52.21 | mindjuju | dag! i gots rickrolled by beandog |
| 20:52.28 | beandog | \o/ |
| 20:52.31 | beandog | :) |
| 20:52.55 | mindjuju | i knew it! but twas like that "red button" you're not suppose to press |
| 20:53.01 | beandog | http://tinyurl.com/5kow28 |
| 20:53.03 | beandog | theres the real one |
| 20:54.00 | beandog | http://tinyurl.com/6784q8 |
| 20:54.07 | beandog | mozilla dev site says the same thing, more or less |
| 20:54.18 | carmony | mindjuju, did you ever post the screencast of the meeting? :) |
| 20:54.20 | beandog | mindjuju, dont worry, we're even |
| 20:54.56 | mindjuju | carmony, working on sync of audio w/ vid, but i think i'm on home stretch |
| 20:55.05 | carmony | nice :) |
| 21:08.27 | SunSparc | carmony: We have not seen you on CoD4 recently. |
| 21:08.54 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Just so you know, our TF2 server is working |
| 21:09.57 | mindjuju | when are ya'll playing? |
| 21:10.53 | SunSparc | We played TF2 at our LAN party a couple weeks ago. Still hard to convince most to play it instead of CoD4 though. ;) |
| 21:11.05 | SunSparc | We usually play at 17:00 |
| 21:12.21 | mindjuju | lucky me, i'm going to be home early today so that Corban and I can put up Christmas lights, i'll be home at that time |
| 21:12.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:12.29 | mindjuju | what maps do you usually play? |
| 21:13.55 | SunSparc | On TF2? We tried out some new maps last time we played. Not sure what they were called. A couple of them we were guarding a rail car loaded with explosives past multiple checkpoints. |
| 21:28.58 | carmony | goldmine? |
| 21:29.37 | SunSparc | Could be. I honest do not remember the names. |
| 21:30.05 | SunSparc | Someone else setup the rotation. |
| 22:22.10 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 22:22.10 | jbot | throws eggyknap's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 22:23.21 | herlo | his doggy was better off |
| 22:23.32 | herlo | :) |
| 22:53.01 | synic | damn I hate that song |
| 23:19.15 | mgeary | psh |
| 23:19.17 | mgeary | vim is a fad |
| 23:26.23 | DexterTheDragon | notepad is where its at |
| 23:27.20 | SunSparc | notepad is for lamerz |
| 23:27.36 | SunSparc | vim is the bomb |
| 23:29.20 | DexterTheDragon | http://tinyurl.com/6botun |
| 23:29.50 | SunSparc | Wow! DexterTheDragon, don't show that to mindjuju |
| 23:29.59 | mgeary | meh. Hitachi |
| 23:30.06 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 23:31.22 | mgeary | WD Green++ |
| 23:31.46 | SunSparc | Maybe that is why it is on sale. |
| 23:31.53 | DexterTheDragon | the green 1tb are supposed to go on sale for black friday |
| 23:32.18 | mgeary | well, i already have 4, so i'm probably good |
| 23:32.36 | DexterTheDragon | I'll be good when I get 4 too |
| 23:50.46 | thebigdog | i dont use drives anymore...i just use usb sticks |
| 23:51.00 | thebigdog | you can daisy chain them to your hearts content |
| 23:59.09 | macnewbold | eww, now I wish I didn't do that |