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16:14.40Utah_Davemorning
16:15.04herlohi Utah_Dave
16:16.08Utah_Davehey, herlo
16:16.12Utah_DaveHow've you been?
16:17.53carmonygrrr.... Godaddy's website just keeps getting worse
16:18.40carmonyI just bought a domain nam
16:18.41carmonye
16:18.48carmonyand its not showing up in my control panel
16:22.27herloUtah_Dave: good, you
16:22.50herlohaven't seen you much lately, but that's probably because I've not been in this channel too much...
16:23.05herlocarmony: tosdomains.net
16:23.13herlo:-D
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16:31.28redroyMorning, thought I would mention the Dredg concert rocked this weekend!
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16:41.30thebigdogmorning all
16:43.14mindjujusup yo
16:52.59mindjujui'm starting out with The Who - Won't be fooled again
16:53.54jsmithmindjuju: Depends on your definition of "Classic Rock".  Would you, for example, classify .38 Special as classic rock, progressive rock, melodic rock, or what?
16:54.03SunSparcWow, been a while since I have heard that one mgeary
16:54.15mindjujuprogressive, methinks jsmith
16:55.04jsmithmindjuju: Then you think like I do :-p
16:55.08mgearymidnight oil++
16:55.11mindjuju:)
16:55.15jsmithmindjuju: You've seen this, right? http://www.pandora.com/mgp.shtml
16:55.49mindjujuyeah, pandora == borg tech to enslave all of mankind
16:55.52SunSparc~Pandora++
16:56.03SunSparchehe
16:56.15SunSparcmindjuju just does not want to admit how much he loves Pandora
16:56.31mindjujupsh
16:56.54mindjujuits dead on accuracy in putting together something you'd want to hear makes me think that it's a ploy
16:57.17mindjujui'm sure the machines in Matrix played nice music for the human batteries
16:58.28jsmithmindjuju: Of course they did!  Except in elevators...
17:02.13SunSparcSpeaking of the Matrix
17:02.14SunSparchttp://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349
17:03.59mindjujuthat's funny
17:09.43SunSparchttp://www.collegehumor.com/video:1884973
17:13.18carmonyhttp://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20081124 OMG LOL
17:15.10SunSparc:)
17:44.41mindjujuprolly technically doesn't count as classic rock, but a good tune none the less
17:46.39herloit's a classic!
17:47.13mindjuju:)
17:53.18SunSparcThere is some classic rock for you.
17:56.07mindjujuhmmm, that reminds me...
17:57.03SunSparc:)
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18:14.19thebigdogUtah_Dave, you there?
18:34.00Utah_Davethebigdog: yep!
18:34.27thebigdoghey i was going to mention some stuff that i did that might help you out with db stuff
18:34.54thebigdognot sure if i wanted to send an email about it
18:35.11thebigdogfor us we went another way then a tool
18:35.26Utah_Davecool. what did you guys do?
18:35.33thebigdogwe actually wrote a sql parser that parses out sql files that then create objects
18:35.46thebigdogwe compare those objects with our code db objects
18:35.53thebigdogany issues and we through an error
18:36.11thebigdogit is a very limited parser but works pretty well
18:36.37thebigdogwe took the idea from a couple o/r mapping tools that we have used in the past
18:37.03thebigdogthis helps us in 2 fold
18:37.14thebigdogone to find differences between database and code
18:37.30thebigdogsecond we enforce our naming conventions in this tool
18:37.57thebigdogfunny thing is that i caught our dba not following both these today and had to give him a smack down
18:45.00Utah_Dave:)
18:45.03Utah_Davenice, thebigdog
18:45.48Utah_DaveI have an unrelated question.
18:45.56thebigdoghehe
18:46.06Utah_DaveI know you can tar the whole root to back up a linux system
18:46.29Utah_DaveHow well would linux handle moving that to another machine?
18:47.01Utah_Davewill it detect the new hardware and install drivers, et? Or get a kernel panic?
18:47.40jsmithUtah_Dave: Ugh... that's like using a glock to cut a 2x4.  It works, but it's not the best way to do it.
18:48.28Utah_Davejsmith: should I just reinstall the OS on the new machine?
18:48.35thebigdogi would
18:48.42Utah_DaveOK.
18:48.48thebigdogunless there are some configs that you really need
18:48.53thebigdogbut it depends on the os too
18:49.14Utah_DaveI have to move to some newer hardware, but I'm not looking forward to reconfiguring everything again.
18:49.17Utah_DaveFedora
18:50.27thebigdogyou could save your config files and then move them over
18:50.33thebigdogyou need ot be very careful
18:50.54jsmithYes, caution is key
18:50.55thebigdogbasically i create a list of configurations that i need
18:51.06thebigdogpull up the 2 files on my system and edit them
18:51.34thebigdogthere are some apps that allow you to manage configurations you might want to look into
18:51.45thebigdogi have not used them however it might be worth you time
18:51.51Utah_Daveok, that sounds good. I'll look into that.
18:52.06thebigdogi cant remember the name of the app for that
18:52.13thebigdogherlo might know
18:52.16Utah_DaveI'll google it.
18:52.18Utah_DaveOr herlo it
18:53.19Utah_Davethanks, thebigdog and jsmith
18:54.20thebigdogUtah_Dave, i read about cfengine
18:54.26thebigdoghttp://www.cfengine.org/
18:54.33thebigdogi have not used it but it looked pretty cool
18:55.07thebigdogi need to check it out and see how it works
18:55.22mgearysounds like a ColdFusion tool ;)
18:56.34thebigdoghttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9328
18:56.46thebigdogthat is the article i read
19:02.09herlopuppet is better
19:02.47herlothebigdog: Utah_Dave: Andrew Shafer lives here and is a big contributor to Puppet
19:03.26thebigdogherlo, have you used cfengine?
19:03.26herlohttp://reductivelabs.com/
19:03.33herlothebigdog: a little
19:03.42herlothebigdog: I've not used either to any great extent
19:03.43jsmiththebigdog: I've used both, and I still like puppet better
19:03.50thebigdogim just wondering the diffs between them
19:03.54herlothe difference is, puppet is more configurable and flexible
19:04.12jsmithmore declarative
19:04.53thebigdogcool
19:04.58thebigdogi will have to check it out and see
19:05.19herlofedora uses it for their large infrastructure
19:05.19thebigdogdo you 2 know if puppet works with hosting companies?
19:05.37thebigdogfor example configurations with apache or the database
19:06.20mindjuju1~moon thebigdog
19:06.21jbotACTION drops his pants and shows thebigdog a full moon. thebigdog drops over dead at the sight.
19:06.29mindjuju1hey man, thought ya needed that, yo
19:09.12Utah_Daveherlo: very nice
19:09.19Utah_DaveI'm looking at both right now
19:09.50herloUtah_Dave: http://2008.utosc.com/speaker/95/
19:10.00herlohe also presented at UTOSC 2008 :)
19:12.18jsmithherlo: Did you get video of that presentation
19:12.54herlojsmith: we didn't but we did get audio
19:12.57herloI'll get that out soon
19:13.05jsmithherlo: Thanks!
19:13.25herlonew girlfriend is taking more time than he thought :)
19:13.42herlonew being 6 months or so :)
19:14.02mindjuju1you gots to make time for the ladies
19:14.09herlolol, yep
19:55.40SunSparcSooo, I have been seeing quite a bit of heat on the topic of Obama being "anti-guns" for individuals.  Should I believe the hype?
20:05.12mgearyi don't think there's much primary source information there
20:05.43SunSparcYeah, not that I have found.  Mostly hearsay.
20:05.59SunSparcMost of what I have seen is like this: http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/holder_gun_control/2008/11/21/153808.html
20:09.54oldsfrom newsmax?
20:09.57oldswow
20:12.26mgearyclearly an unbiased source
20:17.29SunSparcheh
20:18.22SunSparcI was watching the news last night about how the gun show had twice as many people show up than they usually have.
20:23.42mgearyah, so clearly Obama is good for gun sellers
20:23.55SunSparcTotally :)
20:24.05SunSparcHe is bringing hope already!
20:24.18SunSparcHope and change!
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20:26.15beandog~donut
20:26.16jbotsomebody said donut was slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry.
20:26.23beandoglols
20:26.26beandogthats awesome.
20:30.05mindjuju1SunSparc - this link is from the ABA though I have not read the whole thing, only skimmed
20:30.10mindjuju1http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/07-08/07-290_PetitionerAmCuFmrDOJOfficials.pdf
20:30.24mindjuju1of particular note is pg 29 and 46 of the PDF document
20:30.37mindjuju1document numbering, 18 and 1a (as i recall
20:34.19mindjuju1and while that first link, i feel, describes his political position on gun control, this second link demonstrates, in my opinion, that he is willing to work within the constraints of the law despite his personal opinion - http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE3DA153FF937A25755C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
20:35.02mindjuju1specifically : though he was personally against death penalty he did state teh following:  ''I am not a proponent of the death penalty, but I will enforce the law as this  Congress gives it to us,'' Mr. Holder said.
20:38.54mindjuju1heh
20:43.15DexterTheDragonweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:45.36beandogheh
20:45.46beandogthere are some cool soap box derby videos on youtube
20:46.07DexterTheDragonrofl
20:47.00SunSparcmindjuju1: Thanks
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21:30.00beandogoh momma
21:30.04beandogan mplayer bug of mine got fixed today
21:32.12beandog\o/
21:32.18mgearynoooooooooooooooooooo
21:32.23mgearyemail tech support
21:47.51thebigdogSunSparc, on the topic of obama and guns i can say that gun sales have increased tons same with ammo
21:48.12SunSparcthebigdog: Yeah, that is what I have been hearing also.
21:48.42thebigdogi have heard too that women buying guns has increased quite a bit too
21:49.03SunSparcNice
21:49.04SunSparc:)
21:49.29thebigdogi have a buddy that recently did his concealed permit and he told me that the instructor has seen a vast increase in the people attending
21:50.15SunSparcI need to get mine before they are disallowed.
21:51.04SunSparcAlthough, I am wondering if all this is just hype.  Seems like the majority of Americans would not allow 2nd amendment rights to be curtailed.
21:51.16SunSparcStill, it has happened in some cities already.
21:52.08beandogGuns don't kill people.  I do.
21:52.15beandog~UHF++
21:52.15SunSparclol
21:52.32SunSparcDid you finish watching that the other night beandog?
21:52.54beandogyah I did
21:52.58beandogwhat a classic flick
21:53.11SunSparcTotally
21:57.29thebigdogSunSparc, i think he has done stuff in his state
21:57.47SunSparcGun restriction stuff?
21:57.51thebigdogyeah
21:57.55SunSparcHmmm
21:58.01thebigdogi think it might
21:58.18thebigdogbut again it could take a few cause there are pressing issues
21:58.31thebigdogbut i think it might happen
22:00.56beandoga militia?
22:01.01beandogis that like a club?
22:01.07beandogwill I meet hawt girls?
22:01.27SunSparcIf you bring a gun, yep.  Girls dig guns.
22:02.06beandogsweet
22:02.39SunSparcJust don't bring any badgers.
22:02.45beandogbadgers?
22:02.53beandogwe dont need no steenkin badgers!
22:02.57SunSparcLOL
22:03.38jsmithbeandog: Good one...
22:03.59beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt-QVtpx9dE
22:05.07beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFGxH4wrs4
22:06.28mindjujuman, what i wouldn't give for some salsa and cihps
22:06.41mindjujuand some fresh cut limes and salt shaker
22:06.47DexterTheDragonwould you give a kidney?
22:07.05mindjujuyeah, maybe
22:07.21mindjujui mean, salsa and chips is no Candy Mountain
22:07.24mindjujubut it's up there
22:09.14mindjujuhey, talking about kdineys and candy mountain - beandog - did you see the new Charlie the Unicorn?  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
22:09.22beandogtheres another new one?
22:09.28beandogIm not sure I want to ruin the legacy even more after the 2nd one
22:09.39mindjujuit's MUCH better than num 2
22:12.45SunSparcEspecially if you know the Spanish translation
22:15.57beandogno spheeky the spanish
22:21.03SunSparcbeandog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avGrec4dM_I
22:27.49beandogoh gosh.
22:27.57SunSparcheh
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22:40.58mgearygood riddance. the old boor
22:41.04bigdog_utty mgeary
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22:46.02beandogheh
22:51.10beandogoutlook is seriously the worst email client Ive ever used.
22:51.22beandogeven pine is far more user friendly.
22:51.23SunSparc~outlook
22:51.24jbotmethinks outlook is a bad idea from M$, or better than evolution, but not as good as a well configured mutt
22:51.51SunSparcjbot, outlook is also aka Lookout
22:51.52jbotSunSparc: okay
22:52.35mindjujuhey beandog, what's the special effect or filter called when you have a sound clip that you want to normalize all the volume, ie, the volume is low and high throughout the whole thing, and you just want to amek all the parts to one equal volume level?
22:52.42mindjujui can't seem to find it in audition
22:52.46mindjujuthough i know i've seen it
22:52.56thebigdognormalize
22:52.56beandogaudition?
22:52.57jsmithjbot: Outlook is also known as Outhouse
22:52.58jbotokay, jsmith
22:53.04beandogoh, yah, normalize
22:53.31thebigdoga great tool
22:56.30beandogbah, I forgot my voicemail password.
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23:01.11SunSparcbeandog: Try 1234
23:06.52beandogSunSparc, now I got your messages
23:07.00beandogyour mom called.
23:07.31SunSparcWhoa!  Cool.  Then you can be the one to call her back.  ;)
23:09.15mindjujuanybody know a good stock music site (with free music for personal or non commercial use?
23:10.34SunSparcNapster
23:10.46mindjuju:)
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23:59.08mindjujubeandog, you around?

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