| 00:00.26 | synic | oh wait. I think my time is off |
| 00:00.27 | synic | I suck |
| 00:00.55 | orsonj | heh |
| 00:10.57 | itimber | I'm out..... later guys |
| 00:55.24 | dataw0lf | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc |
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| 02:15.59 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, that's hilarious |
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| 03:40.00 | trevyn | I wanted to give out Free SVN repos if any of you needed it |
| 03:40.07 | trevyn | info at esourcehome.com |
| 03:40.19 | trevyn | Some of you may not have a hosting plan that can offer SVN services. |
| 03:45.20 | trevyn | I guess Google Project Hosting and SF may work too |
| 03:45.25 | trevyn | anyways cya |
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| 05:58.19 | beandog | herlo: youve *got* to try planet venus, it will save you gray hairs. |
| 05:58.27 | beandog | venus > planet |
| 05:59.01 | beandog | herlo: http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/ |
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| 15:13.18 | jsmith | mindjuju: Don't do that... you remember what happened yesterday |
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| 15:54.26 | itimber | morning guys |
| 15:54.34 | jsmith | Morning! |
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| 16:13.50 | itimber | fo sho |
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| 17:13.09 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Did you find a good music store yet? |
| 17:14.20 | mindjuju | yup, went to guitar center |
| 17:14.25 | mindjuju | bought a mini mackie mixer |
| 17:40.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Cool. I did a google maps search and found quite a few music stores. |
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| 17:54.05 | mindjuju | in the end, i went with fungus 's idea about the guitar center, and when i got there, i saw the one that i was looking for, but then saw this mackie sitting right next ot it |
| 17:54.18 | mindjuju | and thought about the hole in my pocket from the money burning out |
| 17:54.24 | mindjuju | and truth is, that's why i don't go to stores |
| 17:54.40 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:54.41 | mindjuju | because i see behringer mixer, meh, it'll work |
| 17:54.47 | mindjuju | or hawtness mackie |
| 17:54.54 | mindjuju | i'd be cool and hip like poeticintensity |
| 17:54.59 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you can check their website too |
| 17:55.13 | mindjuju | true that |
| 17:55.15 | thebigdog | same with musicians friend |
| 17:55.27 | thebigdog | i got my son some killer drums for christmas |
| 17:55.42 | mindjuju | i just needed to pick up the equip yesterday because i'm troubleshooting for the meeting tomorrow |
| 17:57.55 | mindjuju | i'm really excited for the meet, i've got some new toys that i worked on yesterday and will be working on today and tomorrow |
| 17:59.01 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog, no golf this morning? |
| 17:59.17 | thebigdog | i dont golf |
| 17:59.25 | thebigdog | nor will i ever |
| 17:59.34 | SunSparc | never say never |
| 18:00.04 | mindjuju | was kidding, thebigdog |
| 18:00.11 | mindjuju | was more saying that now you're living the rich life |
| 18:00.14 | mindjuju | on the gravy train |
| 18:00.19 | mindjuju | driving the m3 |
| 18:00.23 | thebigdog | haha |
| 18:00.26 | thebigdog | not really |
| 18:00.31 | mindjuju | drinking mai tais |
| 18:00.35 | thebigdog | but i did make a crap load of $$$ last month |
| 18:00.35 | mindjuju | (sp)? |
| 18:03.02 | SunSparc | thebigdog: You made a million dollars last month? |
| 18:03.32 | SunSparc | Good job. |
| 18:03.35 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:03.42 | SunSparc | Speaking of lots of money -> http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=227 |
| 18:07.22 | mindjuju | heh, i'm glad you identify on the outside that you're biased, but in what way are you biased? |
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| 18:08.43 | SunSparc | I am biased in that the whole post is from my opinion. Which all blogs are, so it is a bit redundant. |
| 18:10.01 | mindjuju | hmm... i'm going to have to look up the defs of bias |
| 18:10.09 | PoeticIntensity | so you got a Mackie, eh'? |
| 18:10.27 | PoeticIntensity | the next question is - will it work? |
| 18:10.49 | mindjuju | cause i'd think unless you are a journalist or in an industry related or used by the auto industry, it's just a conservative opinion and not a true bias |
| 18:10.54 | SunSparc | Yeah, I guess bias insinuates an unfair advantage. |
| 18:11.20 | mindjuju | yeah, like you're a banker and for whatever reason, and would be against it for that reason, or what ever |
| 18:11.23 | mindjuju | poeticintensity |
| 18:11.32 | mindjuju | i think so |
| 18:11.37 | mindjuju | and its cool |
| 18:11.42 | mindjuju | couple knobs and stuff |
| 18:11.44 | mindjuju | lights |
| 18:11.50 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:11.58 | mindjuju | hang on and i'll get you the model num |
| 18:12.34 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 18:12.45 | mindjuju | here it is - http://www.mackie.com/products/402vlz3/ |
| 18:13.15 | mindjuju | cool, huh? |
| 18:13.56 | mindjuju | and, i pulled in every resource i had so i think i'll have a nice setup |
| 18:14.12 | mindjuju | i need to fire it up today and see if things will work out like i think, but if they do.... |
| 18:14.48 | mindjuju | when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, your going to see some serious $h!+ |
| 18:15.00 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 18:15.04 | PoeticIntensity | looks good, bro. |
| 18:15.13 | mindjuju | i'm way excited |
| 18:15.44 | mindjuju | are you coming to the meet? |
| 18:16.15 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It has a flux capacitor? |
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| 18:17.56 | mindjuju | i love Velda, she's funny (on Sunsparc 's blog) |
| 18:18.09 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Do you know her? |
| 18:18.11 | mindjuju | though, there are some fine points, now that I read the whole thing |
| 18:18.21 | mindjuju | yeah, Velda who used to attend uphpu meets |
| 18:18.25 | mindjuju | works in an ISP |
| 18:18.26 | mindjuju | right? |
| 18:18.36 | mindjuju | err, web host provider, i mean |
| 18:18.47 | SunSparc | Yeah, old friend of mine. |
| 18:18.50 | SunSparc | She is awesome. |
| 18:18.58 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:19.07 | SunSparc | I forgot she had come in here once or twice. |
| 18:19.33 | mindjuju | so, though, anyways, there is actually gov intervention in the economy -- and on some level maybe not so bad, i'm not sure, I personally haven't decided |
| 18:19.40 | mindjuju | other than the bailout |
| 18:19.57 | mindjuju | the anti-trust laws, specifically, is what i'm thinking of |
| 18:20.21 | mindjuju | if we were to REALLY give the market free reign , Microsoft would have wiped everybody out a long time ago |
| 18:20.33 | mindjuju | there would be no walmart, cause kmart would have taken them out |
| 18:20.40 | SunSparc | Yeah, I am sure there are exceptions and finer points. But in general, I think the government should stay out of the economy. |
| 18:20.52 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I agree... The "free market" in and of itself, unregulated, will create chaos in just a few years. |
| 18:20.54 | mindjuju | or possibly rather there would have been no room for wal mart |
| 18:21.31 | mindjuju | not to mention, that corporations, unbridled will led to a "survival of the fitest" |
| 18:21.48 | PoeticIntensity | To me, it seems there are very few places where regulation is not only a good thing, but flat-out necessary if the free market is to function... |
| 18:21.55 | PoeticIntensity | but other than that, Gov't should stay out. |
| 18:21.58 | _psychic_ | there's a difference between keeping equality of opportunity and equality of result |
| 18:22.07 | _psychic_ | government should enforce the former |
| 18:22.14 | mindjuju | now, i'm no marxist by any sense, but in Das Capital, Marx does talk about economy and talks about the senario of unbridled capitalism |
| 18:22.27 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 18:22.45 | PoeticIntensity | well said, _psychic_ |
| 18:23.01 | mindjuju | and he points out that as companies merge, big fish eatting little fish, the middle class shreds into pieces leaving a huge gap betwen the poor and rich |
| 18:23.08 | mindjuju | and thus, workers of the world unite |
| 18:23.24 | mindjuju | but my understanidng of everything is that Marx (Engle) didn't anticipate gov intervention |
| 18:23.36 | mindjuju | to prevent unbridled capitalism (antitrust) |
| 18:23.46 | mindjuju | and thus we sit at the edge of the capitalistic black hole |
| 18:24.04 | _psychic_ | I don't think anyone is going to argue against antitrust and mega mergers |
| 18:24.20 | mindjuju | so anyways, that's all i was saying |
| 18:24.27 | mindjuju | a little bit of intervention is ok |
| 18:24.43 | mindjuju | at least to me |
| 18:24.59 | _psychic_ | intervention to enforce fairness |
| 18:25.00 | SunSparc | Good point. I will have to agree with that. |
| 18:25.56 | mindjuju | the auto industry bailout is a serious problem with serious risks on both sides |
| 18:26.12 | PoeticIntensity | I was listening to a little talk radio this morning.... |
| 18:26.15 | PoeticIntensity | (on that subject) |
| 18:26.18 | thebigdog | hehe i like their term - bridge loan |
| 18:26.27 | PoeticIntensity | and what someone said perked my ears a bit... |
| 18:26.28 | SunSparc | I think the recent bank bailout will be a big problem also, and this auto bailout is just an extension. |
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| 18:26.57 | mindjuju | i HATE the thought of us losing our manufacturing capability and I HATE the thought of years of inefficiency in part of management and in part of workers / unions |
| 18:27.03 | PoeticIntensity | they said it's not good to let a failure not fail, but on the other side, it's not good to have an american industry disappear forever. |
| 18:27.26 | PoeticIntensity | my question is: How in the world can they claim to know that it will disappear FOREVER? |
| 18:27.40 | mindjuju | funny poeticintensity, we said the same thing :) |
| 18:27.43 | PoeticIntensity | yes... it'll suck in the short term, but goodness people... Humans adapt! |
| 18:28.10 | mindjuju | i don't get a chance to listen to talk radio cause i mostly listen to techno all the time |
| 18:28.14 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: that is understandable, but at the same time, perhaps it is time for that industry to start fading into a new industry. Cars as we have known them have been great, but I see them as a stepping stone to better forms of transportation. |
| 18:28.33 | PoeticIntensity | totally, bro |
| 18:28.36 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: exactly, change is constant |
| 18:28.36 | thebigdog | i thought it even funnier that the CEOs said they would pay themselves $1/yr if they received the bailout money |
| 18:28.56 | mindjuju | yeah, but a lot of CEOs do that, but that doesn't mean they just make a $1 |
| 18:29.03 | mindjuju | they get bonuses, they get stock, etc |
| 18:29.04 | PoeticIntensity | it's like "oh no!!! change is coming, and it's gonna hurt! Let's spend billions for a bandaid!" |
| 18:29.04 | SunSparc | Yeah, like I am going to take the word of a CEO |
| 18:29.29 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 18:29.40 | PoeticIntensity | let change happen. Let consequences happen. |
| 18:29.48 | mindjuju | can't remember who it is, maybe CEO of citibank, but they have the same plan, wage = $1 + crazy stock options that is the real $$ |
| 18:29.51 | PoeticIntensity | If it gets rid of the stupid unions, it'd be worth it to me. |
| 18:30.00 | mgeary | mindjuju: Steve Jobs |
| 18:30.08 | mgeary | his salary is a buck a year |
| 18:30.18 | mindjuju | is that who it was, i remember it was somebody v prominent, thx mgeary! |
| 18:30.48 | mindjuju | so mgeary, i'm curious, how do you feel about auto industry bailout |
| 18:31.03 | mindjuju | i sometimes listen to NPR, but just to see what the other side is thinking |
| 18:31.54 | mindjuju | and i don't mean that to say that you'd automatically agree with NPR, but ... in fact, just scratch that NPR statement, doesn't really apply to the question |
| 18:32.42 | mgeary | mindjuju: one sec. otp |
| 18:33.17 | thebigdog | mindjuju, the fact of the matter is that it is contingent on them getting the bailout...they should have already done that |
| 18:33.42 | mgeary | mindjuju: so, i'm curious whom you "normally" listen to |
| 18:34.25 | mindjuju | Sasha and digweed, baby anne, honest to goodness truth, I all the time listen to techno |
| 18:34.40 | mindjuju | but i read from the AP Newswire |
| 18:34.47 | mindjuju | UPI, NYT, |
| 18:35.03 | SunSparc | Onion... |
| 18:35.04 | mindjuju | RAND ( i love these guys) |
| 18:35.40 | SunSparc | ~onn |
| 18:35.59 | SunSparc | jbot, onn is the Onion News Network |
| 18:35.59 | jbot | okay, SunSparc |
| 18:38.13 | mindjuju | jsmith Reuters is good for a more european perception, i think and i do which BBC News |
| 18:38.21 | mindjuju | love BBC |
| 18:38.54 | mindjuju | you can find out a lot about things going on from the there that you won't find published in american news, and then drill in from there |
| 18:38.57 | jsmith | Actually, I don't find that at all |
| 18:39.03 | mindjuju | really? |
| 18:39.08 | jsmith | I find that Reuters has a much more American slant than the Beeb |
| 18:40.32 | mindjuju | so jsmith, what you think about the bailout ? |
| 18:48.14 | jsmith | Oh boy... |
| 18:49.19 | jsmith | Let me get off the phone, and then I'll answer |
| 18:55.06 | mgeary | mindjuju: frankly, i doubt i'm qualified to have a very valid opinion on the auto bailout. Depending on the *form* it took, i think i might be persuaded to support it. For example, if any assistance was contingent upon producing *real* results in getting our auto industry migrated to electric vehicles, well, i think that migration would be worth much more than $25b |
| 18:55.46 | mgeary | but off the cuff, i wouldn't support a no-questions-asked low/no interest $25b loan to the US auto industry |
| 18:56.01 | _psychic_ | The market is already demanding that they produce real results, so why this extra chance? |
| 18:56.20 | mgeary | _psychic_: have you seen the price of gas lately? That market demand is shrinking rapidly |
| 18:56.29 | mgeary | we are not a long-memoried people |
| 18:56.41 | _psychic_ | Yeah - people started looking for a better way |
| 18:56.47 | dataw0lf | I say let them die, new American cars suck anyway (besides Dodge Vipers) |
| 18:56.48 | _psychic_ | Rather than propping up something that wasn't working |
| 18:56.53 | _psychic_ | hear hear |
| 18:57.01 | _psychic_ | To me, that's the point. |
| 18:57.04 | _psychic_ | They suck, so they should die. |
| 18:57.44 | dataw0lf | the reverbrations of the American auto companies dying would probably be profound, and truly send us, or at least a large part of the country, into a severe 30s-esque depression |
| 18:57.53 | dataw0lf | But you can't really fix something that's so broke |
| 18:57.54 | mgeary | i've never bought an American-make car, nor has anyone in my family. However, i'd love to see the US Gov't make a serious investment into new transportation technology. |
| 18:58.17 | _psychic_ | just let private people make those investments |
| 18:58.18 | mgeary | if that investment took the form of assisting companies that already have much of the necessary infrastructure to convert |
| 18:58.21 | mgeary | well then |
| 18:58.24 | _psychic_ | the government will just screw it up |
| 18:58.34 | _psychic_ | because there's no accountability |
| 18:58.51 | mgeary | yeah, like they've screwed up our national highway system. boy now, there's a sucky system |
| 18:59.39 | _psychic_ | the highway system isn't exactly a good example of investing in technology |
| 18:59.40 | thebigdog | what is truely amusing is that they burn about $2b in operating costs per month...so really we are just putting a bandaid on something that needs cut out or removed |
| 19:00.23 | mgeary | have i mentioned lately how much i dislike GoDaddy's new site? |
| 19:00.25 | thebigdog | i agree with dataw0lf lets see what happens...i dont think a bailout will fix anything...the auto companies need to fix this themselves |
| 19:02.26 | thebigdog | yet i dont see any changes within the companies to warrant a future with or without the bailout |
| 19:06.39 | mindjuju | what whatever they decide, i hope they do so quick, a lot of companies are starting to get in line for $$$ |
| 19:07.27 | mindjuju | freakin amex turning itself into a holding bank so it'd be eligible for $$ is for the birds and a couple of days ago i read something about auto suppliers getting ready to get in line |
| 19:07.55 | mgeary | what really ticks ME off is how banks who weren't in trouble applied for, and got, bank bailout money, and they're using it not to re-grease the cashflow of the economy, but to buy other troubled banks on the cheap |
| 19:08.15 | mgeary | that's what ticks me |
| 19:08.16 | mindjuju | mgeary - now that I think about it, i do listen to Dave Rasmey on the way home from work with a great degree of regularity |
| 19:08.16 | mgeary | of |
| 19:08.17 | mgeary | off |
| 19:08.25 | mindjuju | mgeary - totally agree on that |
| 19:08.54 | mindjuju | and the "bonus money" for executives being in a different budget than operating expenses, so that they get $$ from fed and get to give out bonuses |
| 19:09.01 | mindjuju | i'm not getting a bonus this year :( |
| 19:09.25 | mgeary | however, i will say that we just bought an investment property, and had no problems at all getting a loan. Went very quickly. So maybe things *are* starting to loosen up |
| 19:09.54 | dataw0lf | well. one of the problems was people getting loans in the first place ;-) |
| 19:10.05 | mindjuju | glad to hear the treeline group is growing |
| 19:10.14 | mgeary | not TLG, me & my wife |
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| 19:10.26 | mindjuju | ah |
| 19:10.31 | mindjuju | we'll good for you guys! |
| 19:10.35 | mgeary | dataw0lf: well, no the problem was people not being able to pay on their loans |
| 19:10.58 | tierra | I love how the issue of bank bailouts comes up and everyone is all of the sudden a financial expert or economist, and then the issue of auto industry bailouts comes up and all of the sudden everyone is an expert in the auto industry now... heh |
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| 19:11.15 | mgeary | tierra: hey, i claimed non-qualification above ^^ |
| 19:11.23 | tierra | except mgeary |
| 19:11.25 | mindjuju | yes thats true, mgeary did |
| 19:11.37 | dataw0lf | and whenever I talk to tierra I totally become a master of sexual deviance |
| 19:11.43 | mgeary | hahahahahahah |
| 19:11.47 | tierra | ^5 |
| 19:11.50 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 19:12.07 | mindjuju | lol |
| 19:12.49 | fungus | I drive a car, so that makes me an expert in the auto industry. |
| 19:13.16 | mgeary | fungus: what you do can hardly be considered "driving" |
| 19:13.18 | fungus | and 8 out of 10 funguses agree that the bailout is bad |
| 19:13.20 | mgeary | ;P |
| 19:13.22 | dataw0lf | but anyways I'm a retard when it comes to economics, that's why I voted for someone smarter than me. |
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| 19:14.11 | jsmith | Sounds like y'all have just about explained all the angles... |
| 19:14.35 | mgeary | and SuperDell just didn't have the support |
| 19:15.16 | mgeary | ah, but does every count vote? |
| 19:15.51 | jsmith | mgeary: Obviously the provisional ballots don't, unless they're really needed |
| 19:16.06 | jsmith | mgeary: Same for absentee ballots to a certain extent |
| 19:16.34 | mgeary | i was more thinking this kind of count: http://acookworkorange.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sesame_street_count_dracula.jpg |
| 19:16.35 | jsmith | mgeary: And then there's the misreads, jammed optical scanners, the electronic votes, the hanging chads, and so forth |
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| 19:26.32 | thebigdog | im moving to virginia |
| 19:27.18 | thebigdog | or perhaps north dakota |
| 19:27.18 | mgeary | West Virginia! Woot |
| 19:27.19 | thebigdog | never |
| 19:27.31 | thebigdog | wv is a third world state |
| 19:27.57 | unum | the only state without a barnes and noble |
| 19:28.25 | unum | that was eight years ago they may have one now |
| 19:29.46 | mgeary | oh oh |
| 19:30.52 | fungus | yikes |
| 19:31.34 | thebigdog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzuxgivmQ8 - bruce leroy can take on anyone |
| 19:31.40 | fungus | oh no, the music is coming from inside my head. Make it stop. |
| 19:34.16 | mgeary | "I belooooong. West Virginia, Mountain Momma...." |
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| 19:34.47 | mgeary | you know, i'll bet i could live like a king in West Virgina |
| 19:38.24 | mgeary | wow. West Virginia is even whiter than Utah |
| 19:38.43 | fungus | is that possible? |
| 19:39.02 | mgeary | furthermore, "West Virginia is the third lowest in per capita income, ahead of only Arkansas and Mississippi" |
| 19:39.28 | jsmith | State Motto: "47th isn't *that* bad" |
| 19:41.05 | mgeary | wow, Charleston, their biggest city, has 53k inhabitants. By comparison, i believe Provo has around 80k |
| 19:41.40 | jsmith | mgeary: And that's still bigger than any city in Wyoming |
| 19:41.46 | mgeary | hahaah: "West Virginia has received low marks for reading and math skills at the eighth-grade level and ranked 51st in college education rates" |
| 19:45.37 | unum | the "rocket boys" were the last people from west virginia to get college degrees |
| 19:48.29 | unum | "they say baby Jesus and the devil are brothers" |
| 19:50.14 | dataw0lf | I didn't really have any grasp of what a Mormon was until I moved to Utah, we have easier and better people to make fun of |
| 19:56.03 | dataw0lf | seriously, I'm pretty sure I thought Mormons were some fundamentalist Catholic sect. They're just nowhere to be found in the midwest, really (except for the omnipresent infomercials on Sunday) |
| 19:56.53 | SunSparc | They blend in, like alien invaders... |
| 19:58.23 | dataw0lf | yea, unless I went through their trash and found all the empty jello packages, I'd be hardpressed to identify a Mormon outside of Utah. |
| 19:58.37 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 19:58.42 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 19:58.45 | SunSparc | And boxes of ice cream |
| 19:59.01 | SunSparc | Ever try to buy ice cream on Saturday in Utah? |
| 19:59.16 | dataw0lf | can't say that I have. |
| 19:59.23 | SunSparc | Shop early |
| 20:00.09 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 20:00.51 | unum | being 25 and married with 3 kids wasn't a give away? |
| 20:03.53 | SunSparc | Yeah, well, once you get to know them, there are all sorts of signs that give them away. Not usually the horns though, they keep those well hidden. |
| 20:05.28 | unum | I have to file mine once a week |
| 20:06.09 | SunSparc | Really grates don't it? Gives me a head ache. Like nails on the chalkboard. |
| 20:06.15 | olds | http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/images/slc/camera/latest/olympuscove.latest.jpg |
| 20:06.19 | olds | gotta love that smog |
| 20:09.46 | SunSparc | Yummy |
| 20:09.52 | olds | http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/slc/camera/single/UofU.php |
| 20:10.05 | SunSparc | One more reason to get rid of the current line of automobiles. |
| 20:10.42 | SunSparc | Those are actually nice vistas after it rains. |
| 20:10.43 | mgeary | hey, any Mac users here tried out "Versions" as a SVN interface tool? |
| 20:10.55 | SunSparc | Looked at it, but have not tried it. |
| 20:11.05 | SunSparc | I am not big on standalone SVN tools. |
| 20:11.15 | olds | I like RapidSVN |
| 20:11.23 | mgeary | i just want something that intercepts my Finder deletes and does a svn delete |
| 20:11.24 | SunSparc | Their site is very pretty though. |
| 20:11.25 | olds | but on OSX the memory usage is insane for some reason |
| 20:11.29 | mgeary | same with renames/moves |
| 20:11.31 | olds | works much better on the linux |
| 20:11.35 | DexterTheDragon | ~cli++ |
| 20:11.42 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: yeah, for the most part |
| 20:11.47 | olds | I like rapidsvn + changes for diffs |
| 20:12.01 | SunSparc | mgeary: Just use TimeMachine |
| 20:12.03 | mgeary | i like bbdiff for diffs |
| 20:12.11 | mgeary | SunSparc: uh, for what? |
| 20:12.11 | SunSparc | Unless you are trying to sync with a group |
| 20:12.19 | olds | huh |
| 20:12.19 | mgeary | you mean instead of SVN? |
| 20:12.27 | mgeary | we do use TM |
| 20:12.28 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 20:12.30 | olds | I'm doing diffs between two revisions |
| 20:12.37 | mgeary | but we also use SVN |
| 20:12.40 | olds | figuring wtf other people are doing |
| 20:13.05 | SunSparc | I am just wondering why you are trying to watch your filesystem changes. But then again, I am used to my IDE picking up all that stuff. |
| 20:13.37 | olds | huh |
| 20:13.43 | SunSparc | Btw, Coda recently added SVN support. |
| 20:14.00 | olds | I keep going back and forth between Komodo and TextMate |
| 20:14.01 | mgeary | my IDE = Finder + BBedit/TextMate |
| 20:14.08 | olds | can't quite make up my mind |
| 20:14.19 | mgeary | if TextMate had a decent diff engine, i'd give up BBedit |
| 20:14.51 | SunSparc | Eclipse for me, and Coda sometimes, depending on the project. Coda actually coming right along. |
| 20:14.59 | SunSparc | As an advanced editor. |
| 20:15.10 | SunSparc | Not really an IDE yet. |
| 20:15.18 | olds | wow Eclipse? |
| 20:15.29 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 20:15.37 | olds | I pretty much refuse to use Eclipse for anything but Java |
| 20:15.43 | olds | It just feels wrong |
| 20:16.13 | SunSparc | With the PHP plugins it actually does really well. |
| 20:16.37 | olds | I tried it about 3 times and it was just too sluggish |
| 20:43.45 | SunSparc | olds: Yeah, it can be slower, I guess, depending on the system. I am on a MacBook Pro and it does quite well. |
| 20:45.14 | _psychic_ | IDEs seem to be slower almost always |
| 20:45.16 | _psychic_ | too much bloat |
| 20:45.36 | mgeary | agreed |
| 20:45.43 | mgeary | text editors++ |
| 20:45.46 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:46.09 | _psychic_ | SunSparc: knock knock |
| 20:46.15 | mgeary | MOO! |
| 20:46.45 | SunSparc | ~moo |
| 20:46.45 | jbot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 20:46.55 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Who's there |
| 20:47.14 | _psychic_ | ... |
| 20:47.21 | _psychic_ | ... |
| 20:47.23 | _psychic_ | ... |
| 20:47.26 | _psychic_ | Java |
| 20:47.31 | SunSparc | Java who? |
| 20:47.50 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 20:53.54 | olds | SunSparc: I'm also on a macbook pro |
| 20:54.03 | olds | and it's kinda slow imo |
| 20:55.00 | SunSparc | perhaps i have a high pain tolerance threshold |
| 20:56.12 | SunSparc | Aaaaaah, much better... |
| 21:54.20 | mindjuju | ugh, 7 min til the stock market closes and we're down 427 to a new low of 7997.28 |
| 21:55.21 | SunSparc | Your company stock is at 7997.28? Wow, you must be doing well. |
| 21:59.16 | mgeary | ~seen beandog |
| 21:59.18 | jbot | beandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 16h 17s ago, saying: 'herlo: http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/'. |
| 22:02.07 | mindjuju | i prolly started getting subscription in 87 or 88 |
| 22:02.15 | mindjuju | though stopped a LONG time ago |
| 22:04.28 | SunSparc | The end of an era. |
| 22:06.12 | mindjuju | heh, nice |
| 22:06.45 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:07.12 | _psychic_ | hah |
| 22:07.28 | SunSparc | True socialism at work. The citizens pay to keep the companies alive, not through patronage, but through taxation. Genius. |
| 22:27.33 | SunSparc | _psychic_: That really was a well executed goal by Will Johnson |
| 22:27.57 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
| 22:29.38 | mindjuju | yo |
| 22:29.51 | mindjuju | what you want, foo |
| 22:30.01 | _psychic_ | SunSparc: super gutsy, and super amazing |
| 22:30.49 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Yeah, looks like it went around a defender and over the keeper. Nice. |
| 22:46.23 | thebigdog | company bonuses through taxation not representation |
| 22:46.46 | thebigdog | nm mindjuju you dont listen to my music |
| 22:47.43 | mindjuju | k |
| 22:55.20 | mindjuju | ~nyuk thebigdog and his music tastes |
| 22:55.20 | jbot | ACTION grabs thebigdog and his music tastes nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
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| 23:02.41 | thebigdog | ~boot mgeary |
| 23:02.42 | jbot | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across mgeary to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts mgeary out to where he belongs! |
| 23:03.03 | thebigdog | ~bad mgeary_ |
| 23:03.04 | jbot | Bad mgeary_, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 23:04.34 | SunSparc | ~chuckfact |
| 23:04.35 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 23:06.57 | SunSparc | ~chuckfact |
| 23:06.58 | jbot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 23:09.18 | mindjuju | that's my favorite one |
| 23:10.09 | SunSparc | jbot, If you have five dollars and Chuck Norris has five dollars, Chuck Norris has more money than you. |
| 23:11.06 | SunSparc | lol, Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird. |
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| 23:18.45 | mgeary_ | is there some reason why when i do an ffmpeg command in terminal, i get output, and when i run it from apache (php), i get nothing? |
| 23:18.58 | mgeary_ | i'm doing ffmpeg -i <file> |
| 23:19.25 | mgeary_ | it technical returns an error, but it also returns some useful info. I believe that somehow an error is being noted, and the output isn't being passed back to php |
| 23:19.31 | mgeary_ | s/technical/technically/ |
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| 23:41.40 | mgeary_ | ^^ don't do a no-questions-asked bailout, but channel those funds into forward-looking technologies that will really revolutionize the transportation industry |
| 23:42.15 | SunSparc | What funds. Channel funds? Like they have the funds. |
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| 23:42.26 | _psychic_ | My funds. |
| 23:42.31 | SunSparc | exactly |
| 23:42.49 | SunSparc | Let's see, how can we leach more money off our constituents... |
| 23:43.14 | mgeary | "there ya go" |
| 23:43.23 | mgeary | take those puppies apart |
| 23:43.37 | _psychic_ | I'm cool if we just stop the war |
| 23:43.56 | mgeary | see, there's another $7b per month |
| 23:44.11 | mgeary | and, you know, what ever happened to having Iraqi oil finance the war? |
| 23:45.17 | SunSparc | US Government = Massive wound hemorrhaging money away from US Citizens |
| 23:45.35 | SunSparc | Reminds me of leech therapy. |
| 23:46.23 | dataw0lf | ha. |
| 23:46.28 | dataw0lf | "leech therapy" |
| 23:46.29 | dataw0lf | nice. |
| 23:46.36 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:47.20 | dataw0lf | mgeary: yea, no kidding. Let's at least get a couple million barrels out of this deal. |
