IRC log for #uphpu on 20081113

00:00.09carmonythere are some nasty little attacks in there, but the general message is saying that "The republican party doesn't have a solid, consistant message"
00:00.12beandogmy gosh Im an idiot.
00:00.22PoeticIntensityfound your error, did ya?
00:00.33PoeticIntensity"NOWRAP", perhaps? ;-)
00:00.58beandogThe CSS was at the top of the page.  I just had the wrong file open in the editor.
00:01.48carmonybeandog, do you use FireBug?
00:01.55beandogsparingly
00:02.45carmonyyou should try it more often :)
00:03.06beandoginformation overload
00:03.16beandogtoo hard to find what Im looking for
00:04.57beandogwhat a day.
00:06.13fungusyay, TNG sounds fun.
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00:08.48mindjujudataw0lf - You are too funny for words -->(4:59:45 PM) dataw0lf: yea, that's what I thought too, I wish people would read the article before getting defensive.
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00:15.20dataw0lfmindjuju: Either decide to argue with me or go to work.  Don't come and call me funny then say you don't have time to discuss why.
00:15.47mindjujujust getting tired of your tactics man, just geting tired is all
00:16.05mindjujubarking at people who don't believe as you do
00:16.20mindjujuslinging an article every day or two and not saying anything more than "curious"
00:17.22dataw0lfI bark at people when they're stupid.  You're getting tired of people saying Bush sux?  I think we didn't hear it enough (especially in Congress).  If you want to argue about traditional conservative values, like smaller government -- I'm all ears.  I think a lot of _that_ makes sense.  
00:18.32mindjujudude...
00:18.49mindjujui've seen you say some really things in the past couple of weeks, but I just let 'em role
00:18.51mindjujuerr, roll
00:18.57mindjujuyou don't see me get in your face
00:19.06mindjujui just let you believe what you want
00:19.48mindjujuyou need to step it down a notch though
00:20.00mindjujuquit saying your going to punch somebody who doesn't believe like you
00:20.08mindjujuor put up a fight somebody doesn't agree with you
00:20.47mindjujuarguments are ok, but i think this is going over the top
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00:21.23dataw0lfI said that if somebody said that anti-gay hate crap around me, I'd sock them.  That's not a threat, that's just a fact.  And I wasn't antagonistic at all with that URL.
00:21.50mindjujuk, well then, keep them facts (threats of violence) to yourself please
00:21.57dataw0lfI thought that, since the majority of the people in here are religious and fairly right-winged, they may be interested in an article by Frank Schaeffer who thinks much like them
00:22.07mindjujui really don't want to have to kick you out for threats of violence
00:22.10dataw0lfand his opinion on what the Republican party as more-or-less turned into.
00:22.39mindjujuyou just need to calm down and take it down a notch is all i'm saying
00:22.45dataw0lfI am calm.
00:22.51mindjujucool
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00:33.46beandogmindjuju needs a break
00:34.04beandog~cookie
00:50.15fungus~monday
00:50.16jbotmonday is, like, when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix
00:50.21fungus~tuesday
00:50.22jbotTuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday).
00:50.27fungus~wednesday
00:50.28jbotWednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week.
00:50.35fungus~thursday
00:50.36jbot"This must be Thursday.  I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent)
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01:24.35beandoghmm
01:24.40beandogI wonder how long my fly has been down
01:25.04mindjujudoing a little advertising are we?
01:25.25beandoglol
01:25.55mindjuju:)
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02:56.12carmonyffs I *hate* comcast.......
02:58.32carmonymy ssh connections keep timing out
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04:08.14beandogdid you try keepalive
04:20.51beandogcarmony
04:46.37orsonj"Do you ever have a normal day?"   "Yea. Once. It was a Thursday" <-- My favorite "thursday" quote
04:46.51orsonj(I Robot)
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08:52.18Kirk_OuimetAnyone up rightnow
09:32.25Kirk_Ouimet>anyone up right now? i need a PHP class that I can use to make elements like protoype does
09:32.41Kirk_Ouimetsomething possibly better than this: possibly s
09:32.47Kirk_Ouimethttp://davidwalsh.name/create-html-elements-php-htmlelement-class
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13:42.54jgiboneyhey kirk
13:43.05jgiboneyjust read your email
13:44.02jgiboneyguess you went to bed
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15:19.40itimbermorning guys
15:19.48jgiboneymorning
15:20.16mindjujubut just that eye
15:25.33mindjuju~apb dexterthedragon
15:25.34jbotACTION summons Beth to rough up dexterthedragon
15:32.16mindjuju~apb poeticintensity
15:32.17jbotACTION hires baby Lyssa to spray mace at poeticintensity
15:32.40mindjujudude, were you in orem today?
15:32.49mindjujulike off orem center street near the freeway?
15:32.59PoeticIntensitytoday?
15:33.01mindjujuyup
15:33.07PoeticIntensityI just pulled into work, and I don't even hit the freeway.
15:33.14PoeticIntensitynope.
15:33.48mindjujuoh, saw a black mustang that looked like yours and driver had hair similar to how i've seen you usually have it
15:33.54mindjujuthe non-mohawk style
15:34.03mindjujuare you mohawking it these days?
15:34.10PoeticIntensitythere's a couple of darker mustangs around these parts now.
15:34.13PoeticIntensitynope...
15:34.18mindjujubummer
15:34.24PoeticIntensitynormal... yeah.
15:36.27mindjujuanybody know off hand what dexterthedragon 's last name is
15:36.33mindjujui think its carter, but can't remember
15:37.27PoeticIntensityI think it's carter, too, but am not sure.
15:37.49mindjujuk, that's enough for me, if we both think its carter
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16:01.16mindjujufor those of you struggling to wake up this morning, i present the "a little too real - pic of the day" - http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mega_man_costume.jpg
16:02.35fungusyikes
16:02.48mindjuju:)
16:06.23SunSparcMake him stop!
16:06.36mindjujuheh
16:06.40mindjujutoo real, huh?
16:11.03SunSparc:)
16:23.09SunSparcWoot!  Coda now supports SVN.
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16:24.03SunSparc~monkey mgeary
16:24.04jbotACTION flings poo at mgeary
16:24.54SunSparcGood morning mgeary
16:25.08mgearymornin'
16:25.29SunSparcHad any good döners recently?
16:25.34mgearyi wish
16:25.41SunSparcMe too.
16:26.12SunSparcMy wife bought me a tasty giro the other night, but all I ever think about now are how much better a döner would be.
16:26.21mgearybah
16:26.24mgearygyros--
16:26.28SunSparclol
16:26.38SunSparcBetter than nothing
16:33.21DexterTheDragonmindjuju: I don't have a last name
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16:36.18mindjujusup beandog
16:36.24mindjujusup dexterthedragon
16:36.25beandogI forgot my glasses
16:36.26beandog:C
16:36.32mindjujui went with carter
16:36.37mindjujugetting ready to launch
16:37.03mindjujuabout your presentatiohn about Git, i'm putting down that you are presenting about using Git in a production environment
16:37.19mindjujuis that what you're talking about or is it a primer on git or what did you want to talk about?
16:37.40mindjujuoh, and carmony is sending in his slides early, any chance fi you are using slides, we can get them early?
16:38.18mindjuju4 beandog - http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mega_man_costume.jpg
16:39.11DexterTheDragonI think it'll be of a primer on git
16:39.14beandogoh gosh.
16:39.15mindjujuoops, that was the "too real" pic, meant to send you this one beandog - http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.html
16:39.24mindjujuk, i'll change that
16:40.18beandogheh
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17:04.03itimberI love the icon for a PC on a Mac's Server list.... when you try to connect to another computer, and it's a PC..... it has a beige monitor w/ a BSOD
17:06.43mgearyhahahah
17:06.46mgearyi never noticed that
17:06.57mgearybut you're right. You can barely see the 2 lines of white text
17:07.11mgearythat's awesome
17:10.35beandogman
17:10.45beandogIts cool when you find a band where you just love *every* single song they put out.
17:11.11mindjujuthomas dolby ?
17:11.23mindjujuInfoSoc?
17:11.40mgearyTiffany
17:11.44mindjujugenesis?
17:11.47beandog:b
17:12.18mgearyCher
17:12.40beandoghttp://www.last.fm/music/James
17:13.06mindjujuevery song i've heard from Simon and Garfunkel i've liked, but i don't know if i've heard them all, and i'm not always in the mood to hear thier music
17:13.31mindjujukenny rogers
17:13.38mindjujuneil diamond
17:13.41mindjujuenigma
17:13.47mindjuju10,000 maniacs
17:14.31mindjujuqueensryche
17:14.34mindjujupolice
17:17.14fungusCher!
17:17.49mindjujuwhat was the name of that song she does on the carrier inthe video?
17:18.54*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting next Thursday 11/20 on Streamlined Web Dev using a VCS and Trac with dexterthedragon and carmony
17:19.32*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting next Thursday 11/20 on Streamlined Web Dev using a VCS and Trac with dexterthedragon and carmony | Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org
17:20.59fungusmindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G4O5AMSevc
17:21.37mindjujuyup that's the one
17:22.00mindjujugood song
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17:22.21fungusone of many
17:23.33mindjujuwas going to say, i like cher from 80s and 90s, but don't think i've heard anything recently
17:23.34mgeary~lart forms that make you *type* in an email address instead of pasting it
17:23.34jbotslaps forms that make you *type* in an email address instead of pasting it upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
17:23.45mgearyi'm ten times more likely to make a mistake typing than pasting
17:24.00mindjujua non pasting email field on a web page?
17:24.05mindjujuweird
17:24.09mgearyGoDaddy
17:24.10mgearybah
17:25.20beandogwhats everyones take on javascript form validation
17:25.29mgearyvery helpful
17:25.42fungusHelpful, but *must* be backed up by server validation
17:25.50mindjujuconcur with fungus
17:25.51mgearyagreed
17:26.12beandogI normally only do server side.
17:26.28mindjujumacnewbold has a point though
17:26.34beandogIm just wondering if its worth it doing a mix.
17:26.50mindjujuhe thinks that if you don't do it, its a disservice to the client to not give them immediate feedback
17:26.55mgearywhat's macnewbold's point?
17:26.56mindjujuif i remember his words correctly
17:27.39mindjujuthough i should clarify, he said that a while ago, and i hope i understood him correctly
17:27.44beandogmeh
17:28.19mgearyquickform gives you free JS validation
17:28.25mgearyand essentially free serverside validation as well
17:28.30mindjujuif i remember correctly, he does both, but said that about JS and orm validation
17:28.39mgearythough i do wish i could hook it in more directly with my ORM
17:34.34mgearyoh, _psychic_, i know you'll be excited about this--
17:34.42mgearythey've resumed active development on Smarty v3
17:34.48mgeary;)
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17:46.52_psychic_mgeary: I think they're going to call it cakephp 0.9
17:47.28herlomindjuju: distrusted source code control??
17:47.42herlohttp://uphpu.org/2008/11/13/uphpu-meeting-1120-7pm-streamlined-web-development-using-a-vcs-and-trac/
17:48.23_psychic_hehe
17:48.35_psychic_s/trusted/tributed/
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17:48.51herloyep
17:50.25DexterTheDragonhmmm that changes my presentation some
17:50.29carmonylol
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17:52.29herloDexterTheDragon: hey, btw.  You are *not* on the UTOSP
17:52.33herlohttp://planet.utos.org
17:53.14herloDexterTheDragon: do you have a hackergotchi somewhere?
17:53.26DexterTheDragonthats cause I haven't really been writing techish content yet
17:53.35herloyes, it seems you have to me
17:53.35DexterTheDragonno on the hackergotchi
17:53.48herloany pics of you online that I can steal?
17:54.03DexterTheDragonI'll try to get you something
17:54.24herlono worries
17:54.27herlojust curious
17:58.52DexterTheDragonthanks for adding me tho
17:58.52herloit should be updated in about 10 minutes
17:58.52carmonydarn it all, my .htaccess file on my blog got wacked :P
17:58.52DexterTheDragonguess you shouldn't have been using distrusted source code control
17:59.13carmonyLOL ;) it was actually due to setting up my blog on svn :P
17:59.42DexterTheDragonlike I said distrusted :D
18:00.05mindjujudag! i even did spell check
18:00.15herlomindjuju: distrusted is a word :)
18:00.15DexterTheDragondistrusted is spelled right
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18:17.26carmonymindjuju, I think you meant to put VCS (Version COntrol System) instead of VNC, the remote desktop utility ;)
18:18.00mindjujudag, that's what i get for trying to multitask
18:18.02mindjujui sux
18:19.59mindjujudag dag dag!
18:20.08mindjujui got it right in the subject line!
18:20.11mindjujuwhat was i thinking?
18:20.54mindjujuand the goog calendar
18:21.50mindjujuwhich reminds me
18:23.23mindjuju**Advertisment** For those of you looking to see what the other user groups are doing here in Utah, go to the Utah Tech Events Calender.  It jam packed with events from other groups.  It's accessible at http://uphpu.org/community-link/
18:27.16carmonyLOL, mindjuju, it also should be "Following Kevin will be OUR main speaker" not "Following Kevin will be ARE main speaker"
18:28.26mindjujuwant to send a correction to the mailing list?  i'm afraid i'll flub it up
18:28.32_psychic_olds: yt?
18:33.53mindjujuanybody here use filezilla server?
18:34.42mindjujuj #filezilla
18:39.14PoeticIntensityhttp://www.garageband.com/song?|pe1|S8LTM0LdsaSjZVi-a2g
18:39.19PoeticIntensitylet me know what ya'll think of that song.
18:42.36mindjujuha!  i gotcha!
18:46.18herlomindjuju: used filezilla years ago
18:46.28mindjujui found it, no worries
18:46.44herlookay
18:46.45mindjujui issued an account out and forgot to writedown the password for recovery purposes
18:46.57herlolol
18:47.00mindjujuand long story short, i needed that specific password
18:47.07mindjujuyeah, it's been one of those days
18:47.20carmony~cookie mindjuju
18:47.39mindjujuheh
18:47.52carmonyhrm, I haven't figured out jbot really...
18:49.27mgeary~melvinoops carmony
18:49.28jbotACTION reaches into carmony's pants to grab the waistband of carmony's Fruit of the Looms, but quickly withdraws it's hand, "ugh, hey everyone carmony is going commando today!"
18:50.51carmonyLOL!
18:51.05PoeticIntensityI love people's first reaction to that one.
18:52.39Kirk_Ouimetjustin you here?
18:52.53mgeary~boggle Kirk_Ouimet
18:52.54jbotACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at Kirk_Ouimet
18:52.55Kirk_Ouimeti didn't get my answer last night about the PHP class used to generate XHTML - did you have any thoughts?
18:53.06Kirk_Ouimetwoah i just got boggled
18:54.16olds_psychic_: try now, same ip, port 5001
19:14.10_psychic_olds: k connected but it's prompting me for a firmware update
19:14.27_psychic_olds: oh nm we're good
19:16.31jgiboneykirk, i didnt understand why you wanted to do that in the first place, maybe you could expound on it
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19:25.56beandogI just hurt my  neck from stretching
19:26.20beandogwtc
19:28.06mindjujubeandog == "stiff-necked"
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20:38.44carmonyMmm... Costa Vida's Sweet Pork Burrito.... sooooo yummy.
20:39.46SunSparcAgreed
20:57.24mgearymeh
21:58.00itimberBRB
22:10.38mindjujuthe 1T drives have come down in price, wps, get ready to start looking!
22:10.39mindjujuhttp://slickdeals.net/permadeal/15389
22:10.40DexterTheDragon~revive mindjuju
22:10.41jbotACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive mindjuju
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23:12.40SunSparciPhone?
23:12.51thebigdogg1
23:12.54SunSparcAh
23:12.59SunSparcWhat do you think of it?
23:13.12thebigdogi love it
23:13.23SunSparcWhat do you love about it?
23:13.41thebigdogthe interface is great
23:14.23thebigdogand i am learning to write apps for it
23:14.31Utah_Davethebigdog: you got your G1? awesome, I love mine, too
23:14.38thebigdogUtah_Dave, yep
23:14.56SunSparcthebigdog, Utah_Dave: What made you choose it over the iPhone?
23:15.07Utah_Davewatch your battery life. You have to turn off 3G, GPS, Wifi and bluetooth in order to have it last all day
23:15.20thebigdogyeah i noticed that
23:15.25DexterTheDragonyikes
23:15.26Utah_DaveSunSparc: several reasons.
23:15.26thebigdogi hope they get some updates for that
23:15.30SunSparcI have all those on and my lasts for two days.
23:15.48Utah_DaveI've been with t-mobile for over 10 years and didn't want to switch to AT&T
23:15.50thebigdogi have 3g off cause i am always around wifi
23:16.01Utah_Davethebigdog: also, there's no 3G in utah
23:16.07thebigdogyeah
23:16.32thebigdogthe keyboard is the only thing i am not hip about
23:16.34Utah_DaveI use gmail, google calendar, etc exstensively and it's integrated in an awesome way with android
23:16.53thebigdogoh yeah
23:17.27Utah_DaveIf I add a contact in my Gmail contacts, it gets synced to my phone and vice versa
23:17.27Utah_Daveso, if I buy a new android phone in the future, I won't have to import all my contacts again.
23:17.34thebigdogyeah and i have that hooked to my thunderbird too
23:17.48Utah_Davecool
23:17.51Utah_DaveI also like that the whole platform is quite a bit more open than the iphone
23:17.59Utah_Davethis allows for some very interesting apps.
23:18.05thebigdogyes and we should see tons of apps coming in
23:18.32Utah_Davethere are new ones every day. It's kind of addicting checking for new apps every day
23:18.43Utah_Davethebigdog: have you tried CompareEverywhere?
23:19.32DexterTheDragonand it can run apps in the background
23:19.35thebigdogno but i have read about it
23:19.44thebigdogDexterTheDragon, to an extent
23:20.04thebigdogandroid vm will turn it off and on when it needs it for resource management
23:20.10thebigdogbut it saves state which is really nice
23:20.43Utah_Daveapps can have processes running in the background waiting for events
23:21.20Utah_DaveThere's a parental app for finding out where your kids are. You sms the phone with a password and it returns an SMS with the GPS coordinates of the phone
23:21.56Utah_DaveCompareEverywhere is awesome. You scan a bar code of a product and it tells you what stores have it for cheaper and stores online where you can find it cheaper
23:22.32Utah_DaveI was in Best Buy yesterday and the had a wireless N router for 149.99. I scanned it and it said that Walmart had it for 89.99 and some online store had it for 74 bucks or something like that
23:25.45mgeary~boggle thebigdog
23:25.46jbotACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at thebigdog
23:25.51mgearywhere ya been, dude?
23:25.53Utah_Davethere's also a great ssh client
23:26.16thebigdogmgeary, working making money
23:26.19mgearypsh
23:29.05*** join/#uphpu redroy (n=kenner@69.169.153.60.provo.static.broadweave.net)
23:29.42thebigdogUtah_Dave, have you run into any issues
23:29.53thebigdogi did notice the documentation lacks in some areas
23:31.19mgearythebigdog: what's the dev platform?
23:31.32thebigdogandoid is java based that runs on linux
23:31.52mgearyah
23:34.05Utah_Davethebigdog: I haven't found a good case for it yet.
23:34.23Utah_DaveApparently you can install debian on top of the Android OS now.
23:39.10thebigdogUtah_Dave, that is pretty cool
23:42.56Utah_DaveI haven't had any real issues.
23:43.07Utah_DaveIt has great sound while making phone calls.
23:43.15Utah_DaveI don't like the audio player that much.
23:45.29thebigdogi need to try it
23:45.34thebigdogthe youtube integration is nice

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