| 00:00.09 | beandog | what are you guys gonna be playing |
| 00:00.51 | SunSparc | CoD4, TF2 mostly, but there could be some Rock Band, Xbox stuff, perhaps even some StarCraft. |
| 00:00.59 | SunSparc | Oh, and Foosball, of course. |
| 00:03.36 | carmony | Thanks for invite, but I have plans Friday :( Every year all of our friends get together for a "Friend's Thanksgiving" |
| 00:04.13 | beandog | TF2? |
| 00:04.13 | SunSparc | carmony: np, enjoy your party. :) |
| 00:04.19 | SunSparc | beandog: Yes |
| 00:04.24 | beandog | Whats TF2 |
| 00:04.30 | beandog | except StarCraft, which I cant stand. |
| 00:04.38 | _psychic_ | http://orange.half-life2.com/tf2.html |
| 00:04.40 | carmony | SunSparc: when you get HS'd, think of me knowing it would be twice as often if I was there ;) |
| 00:05.16 | SunSparc | beandog: hehe, StarCraft rocks! Well, it used to.... |
| 00:05.32 | SunSparc | carmony: lol, naturally |
| 00:05.48 | beandog | I guess Im just not a typical gamer |
| 00:06.22 | SunSparc | beandog: We won't hold it against you. |
| 00:07.35 | SunSparc | That is a good role |
| 00:07.37 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:07.43 | SunSparc | Speaking of games, gotta run... |
| 00:07.44 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:11.29 | beandog | now I wanna play Lego Batman |
| 00:13.25 | tierra | the gayest official mac application icon I've ever seen is the one for Shark (the performance analyzer tool) |
| 00:13.46 | tierra | it has 1's and 0's in the background of a picture of a shark, heh |
| 00:14.10 | tierra | I don't think it follows Apple's icon design guidelines |
| 00:14.12 | tierra | heh |
| 00:15.25 | beandog | tina rawks. |
| 00:15.35 | fungus | oh yeah. |
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| 02:28.44 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
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| 15:04.16 | mindjuju | _carmony, you around? |
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| 15:27.37 | _carmony | mindjuju, yeah |
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| 16:03.19 | mindjuju | hey carmony |
| 16:03.51 | mindjuju | since you weren't logged in to your account, it didn't take efect, but now that you, it did |
| 16:04.24 | mindjuju | course though, you didn't get the ceremonial boot |
| 16:04.30 | mindjuju | so maybe i should stick to protocol |
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| 16:06.53 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 16:07.58 | carmony | lol mindjuju :P |
| 16:09.07 | mindjuju | i think we should, so here it goes |
| 16:09.27 | mindjuju | congrats to carmony for getting his +V |
| 16:09.29 | mindjuju | and now the boot |
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| 16:10.07 | carmony | :P |
| 16:10.24 | mindjuju | sorry, been neglectful on handing out the +V lately |
| 16:10.47 | mindjuju | dataw0lf does have +V, but guess that's a ghost account |
| 16:11.08 | mindjuju | so too tierra |
| 16:11.12 | mgeary | where the heck is thebigdog these days? |
| 16:11.16 | mgeary | ~seen thebigdog |
| 16:11.20 | jbot | thebigdog <n=thebigdo@70.103.91.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 13d 23h 54m 42s ago, saying: 'pretty good version too'. |
| 16:11.39 | mindjuju | maybe its toro systems? |
| 16:11.43 | mindjuju | hope its doing well |
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| 16:19.02 | tierra | mindjuju: na, I've just been lazy about identifying with nickserv |
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| 16:22.12 | itimber | morning guys |
| 16:22.42 | carmony | hey itimber |
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| 16:53.11 | redroy | Morning everyone! Are there good (free) alternatives to pandora that anyone would recommend out there? |
| 16:54.29 | beandog | mindjuju's break dance beats are beyond free |
| 16:58.57 | mgeary | redroy: pandora isn't free...? |
| 16:59.36 | SunSparc | Pandora is free. |
| 16:59.38 | redroy | I mean, recommendations that are free (like pandora) |
| 16:59.48 | SunSparc | iTunes Genious |
| 16:59.59 | SunSparc | Although, it only uses music you have. |
| 17:00.08 | SunSparc | iTunes radio, just radio. |
| 17:00.24 | SunSparc | No, I cannot really think of any other service like Pandora. |
| 17:00.38 | beandog | amarok has a recommendations engine I think. |
| 17:01.35 | redroy | yeah, itunes radio is ok... I like how pandora works, with the song rating etc. but it seems to be struggling lately... a lot of skipping etc. |
| 17:02.15 | redroy | Back in the day I used Yahoo music, which I preferred to pandora, but they are no more :( |
| 17:02.50 | mindjuju | pandora == borg tech to enslave human race |
| 17:03.32 | SunSparc | mindjuju: is a secret lover of Pandora |
| 17:04.06 | SunSparc | redroy: when using Pandora, if you find you are skipping to much, you need to add more stations. |
| 17:04.19 | SunSparc | You can also add more artists to a station. |
| 17:04.25 | SunSparc | You can also listen by genra |
| 17:04.27 | SunSparc | genre |
| 17:04.47 | SunSparc | redroy: how many stations do you have? |
| 17:05.15 | redroy | sorry, I mean the songs are "scratchy" almost like I'm listening to a scratched disk... stop - go -stop - go |
| 17:05.43 | SunSparc | redroy: eh? hmm, perhaps you have a bad connection |
| 17:05.48 | redroy | And it will randomly skip songs I didn't want to skip... |
| 17:06.06 | redroy | That's what I thought, but get same results at home. |
| 17:06.12 | SunSparc | If it is doing that, it means it could not stream the rest of the song. |
| 17:06.23 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 17:06.40 | tierra | I've seen the 'random skipping' you're talking about, but it's only happened to me maybe once or twice a month, and I listen to pandora 8 hours a day, 5 days a wekk |
| 17:06.44 | tierra | *week |
| 17:07.05 | SunSparc | Might want to shoot them an email. |
| 17:07.20 | tierra | and yeah, I'm pretty sure it's caused by your internet connection |
| 17:07.31 | SunSparc | I also, have not seen that much skipping. |
| 17:08.05 | redroy | Weird, I thought it was more common. I'll do some bandwidth testing and see if something is a-miss. |
| 17:08.16 | redroy | Thanks for the input. |
| 17:08.35 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:08.38 | SunSparc | ~pandora++ |
| 17:09.33 | SunSparc | As a side note, a good way to find more music is to she what your friends listen to. |
| 17:09.44 | SunSparc | Here is my page on Pandora, http://www.pandora.com/people/jonathan9 |
| 17:10.37 | tierra | I use a combination of Pandora and Last.fm when I really want to actively look up new artists |
| 17:11.01 | SunSparc | Another good way to find new stuff is emusic.com |
| 17:11.27 | SunSparc | You can buy new music for a fraction of the cost of iTunes. Although they do not carry all the same stuff. |
| 17:11.45 | mindjuju | too much work, all you REALLY need to do is be on ravetrax.com and in the rare event they are playing crap, then jump over to di.fm/breaks |
| 17:11.47 | redroy | Very cool 8) |
| 17:11.58 | mindjuju | and if they are playing crap, jump to di.fm/eurotrance |
| 17:12.02 | mindjuju | and so on from there |
| 17:12.31 | mgeary | ~teach mindjuju that techno-trance isn't really what most people consider 'music' |
| 17:12.32 | jbot | ACTION sits mindjuju down and forces mindjuju to learn to that techno-trance isn't really what most people consider 'music', even if it takes 15 years |
| 17:12.47 | mindjuju | psh |
| 17:12.56 | mindjuju | what is music? |
| 17:14.36 | SunSparc | Has everyone already tried out Simplify? |
| 17:14.37 | mindjuju | listening to techno whilst i eat salt & vin chips? |
| 17:14.48 | mgeary | SunSparc: i have |
| 17:14.49 | mindjuju | i do that all the time, though i usually have a sammich with that |
| 17:15.08 | SunSparc | mgeary: You like? |
| 17:15.23 | mgeary | i do, though it'll be even better when it supports video |
| 17:15.37 | SunSparc | Agreed! Video would be great. |
| 17:15.57 | redroy | I like Simplify as well |
| 17:16.08 | mindjuju | so, my wife got tired of me and my nearly 9yr old cell phone and its inability to pick up signal in all but the most strong of signal locations |
| 17:16.13 | SunSparc | It is nice to be able to share music across the globe. |
| 17:16.13 | mindjuju | so she bought me a new one |
| 17:16.28 | SunSparc | iPhone? |
| 17:16.34 | mindjuju | nope, we're on verizon |
| 17:16.40 | mindjuju | i got a krave |
| 17:16.49 | SunSparc | ~console mindjuju |
| 17:16.50 | jbot | ACTION gives mindjuju the consolation moose |
| 17:16.52 | mindjuju | its got some iphone-ness to it |
| 17:17.11 | mindjuju | but you know, my main prob is/was i'm not insane enough to get a data plan |
| 17:17.38 | mindjuju | and i'm terribly envious of those who do have one **cough** **cough** **josephscott** |
| 17:18.20 | josephscott | my data plan isn't tied to a phone |
| 17:18.26 | mindjuju | him and his "oh i'm at IHOP {with no wifi point}, i think i'll just log on using my evox" |
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| 17:20.04 | josephscott | it can be very handy |
| 17:25.40 | mgeary | btw, mindjuju, you know i'm just giving you crap about your tastes, yes? |
| 17:26.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:26.49 | mindjuju | i'm cool bro |
| 17:27.23 | mgeary | it'd be an awful world if everyone was just like me. There'd be huge lines at Taco Bell, Jelly Bellies would be in scarce supply, and the creator of Twizzlers would rule the world |
| 17:27.47 | mindjuju | i'm down with all of that except the T-bell |
| 17:27.55 | mindjuju | i dig on the T-bell, but not just that often |
| 17:29.20 | josephscott | one word: chipotle |
| 17:29.48 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5_OSsawz4 |
| 17:29.50 | mgeary | ick. chipotle |
| 17:30.44 | SunSparc | mgeary: What is your single favorite menu item at Taco Bell? |
| 17:30.58 | mgeary | bean burrito -onions + cheese |
| 17:32.15 | mgeary | after that maybe Nachos Supreme -tomatoes |
| 17:33.13 | SunSparc | My favorite is the 7 layer burrito, and next is the meximelt |
| 17:33.59 | fungus | mmm, 7 layer. |
| 17:37.14 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:37.36 | SunSparc | fungus: Have you tried Del Taco's Veggie Works? Very similar. |
| 17:39.31 | unum | I like their veggie works |
| 17:39.37 | unum | I also like taco times veggie burrito, but it's a lot more money(and a lot bigger) |
| 17:39.40 | fungus | yes, that one is really awesome too |
| 17:39.52 | fungus | But like unum said Taco Time is the best. |
| 17:39.53 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 17:40.05 | fungus | Too bad Taco Time is far away. |
| 17:40.05 | macnewbold | I like taco time - the crispy burritos are awesome |
| 17:40.22 | unum | del taco and taco bell fal into the "I have to order several things to be filled" catagory |
| 17:40.55 | unum | my Dad owned a company that delivered most of the food to Taco Time and Taco Makers in Utah and southern Idaho |
| 17:41.32 | unum | my family kept switching to Mountain Daylight Time half of the year |
| 17:41.40 | unum | but it was always Taco Time |
| 17:43.57 | unum | the one time I went to taco bell I order 6 things and was still hunrgy |
| 17:44.17 | unum | they open a bajio across the street from where I work. I go there about once a week |
| 17:45.40 | SunSparc | bajio = too much food, but tasty. |
| 17:46.23 | unum | I don't eat breakfast so bajio is the right amount of food for me |
| 17:46.30 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 18:00.11 | carmony | Man, I want to work for the goverment.... |
| 18:00.18 | carmony | get my birthday off for once :P |
| 18:00.44 | SunSparc | carmony: Is today your birthday? |
| 18:00.50 | carmony | roger :) |
| 18:00.52 | SunSparc | ~happy birthday carmony |
| 18:00.57 | jbot | ACTION sings the 'Happy Birthday' song horribly out of tune for carmony |
| 18:01.00 | mindjuju | happy bday! |
| 18:01.16 | carmony | thanks :) |
| 18:01.46 | SunSparc | _psychic_: you may like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFCBpTwEGI&NR=1 |
| 18:02.29 | _psychic_ | have it bookmarked already :) |
| 18:02.35 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:02.52 | SunSparc | Figures |
| 18:05.59 | carmony | what do I want for lunch? :P |
| 18:06.34 | mindjuju | k, so here goes with the annual, which providers rox for web hosting, php 5 & mysql |
| 18:06.47 | mindjuju | and preferably no caps on how many emails you can send in an hour |
| 18:07.05 | mindjuju | this bluehost - you can only send 50 emails in an hour default is goofy |
| 18:08.21 | carmony | SunSparc, that is classic |
| 18:09.16 | SunSparc | carmony: :) |
| 18:09.49 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You need a mailing list server? Or do you have a web script that is sending emails? |
| 18:11.00 | carmony | mindjuju, what is your budget? :P |
| 18:14.30 | mindjuju | web script sending email |
| 18:14.34 | mindjuju | like forgot password, etc |
| 18:14.40 | mindjuju | weekly newsletter for signups |
| 18:14.48 | mindjuju | which we have like 400 receipients |
| 18:14.58 | tierra | it's kinda fun looking through Google Analytics at screen resolutions... 4480x1200, 5120x1024... then on the other end of the spectrum, you've got a few reports of resolutions like 122x107 |
| 18:15.01 | mindjuju | budget, cheap but good |
| 18:15.02 | mgeary | mindjuju: what was your original question? |
| 18:15.08 | mgeary | i cleared my screen |
| 18:15.14 | mindjuju | looking for recommendations on web host provider |
| 18:15.34 | mindjuju | with php 5 and mysql |
| 18:15.38 | mgeary | ah, yeah, i'd say that's primarily budget-driven |
| 18:15.47 | beandog | mindjuju, you spelled postgres wrong |
| 18:15.49 | mgeary | you interested in shared? dedicated? |
| 18:15.51 | mindjuju | and preferably no email max quota |
| 18:16.07 | mindjuju | shared |
| 18:16.21 | mgeary | Dreamhost seems decent. Do you need ssh access? |
| 18:16.37 | mgeary | i've had a DH account for almost a year now |
| 18:16.58 | mgeary | hardly use it, but it's cheap and has handled what i use it for (primarily svn repo) |
| 18:17.12 | mgeary | 1-2 PHP5 + mysql sites |
| 18:17.26 | itimber | I like Bluehost |
| 18:17.49 | mindjuju | mgeary, that's looking pretty cool |
| 18:17.54 | mgeary | BH is alright |
| 18:17.59 | carmony | if you want a VPS w/ root I suggest LayeredTech's Grid VPS |
| 18:18.10 | mindjuju | itimber, i like bluehost, but calling them every couple of weeks to get my max email per hour threshold updated is for the birds |
| 18:18.21 | itimber | ah |
| 18:18.24 | itimber | yes |
| 18:18.37 | carmony | http://www.layeredtech.com/cloud-computing/virtual-machine-hosting/the-grid-layer-virtual-machine/ |
| 18:18.39 | itimber | I also hated that.... moved my email to a Linode |
| 18:18.48 | itimber | not what you're looking for |
| 18:23.55 | mgeary | mindjuju: if you do opt for DreamHost, i've got a promo code that can save you some $ and get myself a referral, but no big deal if you don't |
| 18:24.57 | itimber | hey guys.... what's the system variable for the referring site/page??? |
| 18:27.00 | mindjuju | mgeary, send it in, i'll prolly PO for it here today or tomorrow |
| 18:27.03 | mindjuju | keep ya posted |
| 18:28.08 | itimber | isn't there something like $_SERVER["REFERRER"] ?? |
| 18:28.13 | SunSparc | mgeary: for svn hosting, I suggest unfuddle.com |
| 18:28.19 | itimber | can't for the life of me remember |
| 18:28.39 | mgeary | itimber: yes |
| 18:28.45 | SunSparc | mindjuju: brasto and I do hosting |
| 18:28.48 | beandog | HTTP_REFERER |
| 18:29.03 | itimber | ah, that's right.... thanks beandog |
| 18:32.25 | tierra | mindjuju: I'd look into http://www.webfaction.com/ |
| 18:33.20 | tierra | I wouldn't dare touch DH for any business-related hosting |
| 18:34.09 | dataw0lf | Yea. DreamHost is pretty much garbage (decided by consensus of most of the internet) |
| 18:34.14 | mgeary | depends on the business. I wouldn't host a serious web app there. Something that generated revenue, etc |
| 18:34.34 | mgeary | but if you just need something out there, and don't want to stick it on your own server, it's decent |
| 18:34.50 | tierra | na, I just wouldn't touch them for any business site, period |
| 18:35.17 | dataw0lf | DreamHost gets hacked more than a promiscuous woman in an 80s slasher flick |
| 18:35.27 | tierra | ^5 |
| 18:35.30 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:35.30 | itimber | LOL |
| 18:35.30 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 18:35.31 | mgeary | nice |
| 18:46.25 | tierra | we need a campaign to bring the last 1% of users on 800x600 up to speed on 1024x768 |
| 18:46.48 | itimber | fo sho |
| 18:49.20 | dataw0lf | has anyone played with the Photo Lab iPhone app |
| 18:52.51 | carmony | http://www.justincarmony.com/24_monitor_at_800_by_600.JPG <-- thats for you tierra and itimber |
| 18:53.26 | carmony | my 24" monitor at 800 x 600.... :P |
| 18:53.44 | tierra | heh |
| 19:01.10 | SunSparc | 4 monitors? Cool |
| 19:02.26 | SunSparc | The most I have ever had was 3. It was nice. |
| 19:02.27 | mgeary | dataw0lf: what's it do? |
| 19:02.45 | dataw0lf | mgeary: just has a bunch of neat filters |
| 19:02.55 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:03.08 | dataw0lf | http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v377/245/96/504446050/n504446050_1460353_8209.jpg |
| 19:03.09 | mgeary | the camera in the iphone is so weak, i haven't really bothered doing any photo stuff |
| 19:03.47 | SunSparc | Like photoshop on the go. |
| 19:07.02 | tierra | 21", and 2x19" |
| 19:07.29 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 19:08.21 | tierra | I don't get any work done at home anymore though... I got used to having screen real estate, and now I can't work on anything at home on one monitor |
| 19:08.57 | SunSparc | I know the feeling. |
| 19:11.26 | dataw0lf | I've never had this screen real estate yearning before |
| 19:11.46 | dataw0lf | I have a 27 inch widescreen on the Mac Pro, but funnily enough I usually set my 13" MacBook next to it and work from it. |
| 19:15.42 | tierra | he |
| 19:15.52 | tierra | that was a lazy heh |
| 19:22.10 | mindjuju | not *quite* as productive at home, but meh |
| 19:39.22 | mindjuju | very sad article about 60 min episode aobut where computer waste goes and how it is processed - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/06/60minutes/main4579229.shtml |
| 19:42.02 | SunSparc | http://utahrecycles.org/ |
| 19:50.21 | mindjuju | an article for mgeary that sure to make his day - http://consumerist.com/5082234/shopper-takes-walmart-to-court-over-2-and-wins-100 |
| 20:10.27 | mgeary | mindjuju: that is an interesting article |
| 20:11.10 | mgeary | hey beandog, can ffmpeg grab a frame from an mpeg video? |
| 20:11.17 | beandog | yah |
| 20:11.35 | mgeary | got the syntax handy? |
| 20:11.39 | beandog | no |
| 20:12.04 | mgeary | ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 1 -s WxH -f image2 foo-%03d.jpeg |
| 20:12.15 | mgeary | but that's one frame per second |
| 20:12.24 | mgeary | hmm |
| 20:12.32 | mgeary | looks like you can use -ss to specify a start time |
| 20:14.43 | mgeary | hmm |
| 20:15.04 | mgeary | ffmpeg -i <input.mp4> -ss 20 -f image2 detail.jpg |
| 20:15.07 | mgeary | that seems to work |
| 20:15.11 | mgeary | ~ffmpeg++ |
| 20:15.18 | beandog | :) |
| 20:24.58 | *** part/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
| 20:26.05 | SunSparc | Someone just sent me this: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/344039130 |
| 20:27.30 | _psychic_ | If my boss did that, I'd quit. |
| 20:28.41 | SunSparc | Unless you had an Obama sticker on your car. |
| 20:29.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:29.49 | beandog | lmao |
| 20:29.50 | beandog | that is awesome. |
| 20:32.27 | dataw0lf | Wow. |
| 20:33.34 | _psychic_ | I can't find it on snopes, but it sounds kinda lame. |
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| 20:33.45 | SunSparc | Probably a joke |
| 20:34.01 | SunSparc | That is what I took it as. |
| 20:36.35 | dataw0lf | did you see the Olbermann special comment on it? |
| 20:37.15 | _psychic_ | nope |
| 20:37.15 | SunSparc | _psychic_: where are your prop 8 conversations? |
| 20:37.40 | beandog | please dont spill any seekrit gay confessions |
| 20:38.01 | SunSparc | ~spill beandog |
| 20:38.09 | beandog | oh noes! |
| 20:38.14 | SunSparc | lolz |
| 20:38.18 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY |
| 20:38.26 | _psychic_ | SunSparc: http://digg.com/users/jda57 |
| 20:39.54 | _psychic_ | ugh |
| 20:41.07 | _psychic_ | It's not a rights issue. |
| 20:42.16 | _psychic_ | To boil it down to some sort of civil rights issue has always been absurd to me. |
| 20:42.18 | dataw0lf | so if I took away your .... ability to marry, you wouldn't consider it a right. |
| 20:42.33 | _psychic_ | you can't take it away |
| 20:42.36 | _psychic_ | marry means man and woman |
| 20:42.38 | _psychic_ | and always has |
| 20:42.42 | _psychic_ | that's what it *means* |
| 20:43.08 | _psychic_ | I also can't be a black person. Even if I was born wanting to be black. |
| 20:43.10 | dataw0lf | it always has? |
| 20:43.18 | dataw0lf | where is your traditional definition of marriage defined? |
| 20:43.20 | dataw0lf | Historically. |
| 20:43.51 | _psychic_ | I don't think by going into history you're going to see man+woman come up second. |
| 20:43.58 | _psychic_ | Not even now can you do that. |
| 20:44.09 | DexterTheDragon | God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve |
| 20:44.18 | _psychic_ | It's not a religious argument. |
| 20:44.22 | DexterTheDragon | thats the basis of my definithion :) |
| 20:44.25 | dataw0lf | whew |
| 20:44.29 | dataw0lf | not Adam and Steve |
| 20:44.33 | fungus | In the case of California, it's not about the legal rights due to the Domestic Partnership laws. |
| 20:44.35 | dataw0lf | you ever say that in my presence and I'll knock you out. |
| 20:44.51 | fungus | It's about the Segregation taking place. |
| 20:44.53 | dataw0lf | I promise. |
| 20:45.00 | mindjuju | k dataw0lf, no threats of violence please |
| 20:45.11 | _psychic_ | It's segration to not allow me to be a black person. |
| 20:45.25 | _psychic_ | Or an eskimo. |
| 20:45.30 | mindjuju | people are expressing opinion on how they feel about things, that goes for the lot of you |
| 20:45.50 | mindjuju | ya'll can talk about it, but no threats of violence and no kickin' people for what they believe |
| 20:45.51 | _psychic_ | Different social setups deserve different names and different treatments |
| 20:45.52 | fungus | segregation = separation based on discrimination |
| 20:46.08 | _psychic_ | you're exactly right |
| 20:46.22 | _psychic_ | I can't apply for government grants because I'm not an eskimo |
| 20:46.30 | _psychic_ | is that discrimination? |
| 20:46.32 | _psychic_ | sure |
| 20:46.43 | _psychic_ | Men and men is *different* than men and women |
| 20:46.54 | _psychic_ | ask straight or gay people |
| 20:47.00 | SunSparc | discrimination is not always a bad thing, in fact in many instances, it is a very good thing. Only recently has it gotten a bad rep. |
| 20:47.00 | dataw0lf | so you think government grants are on par with marriage |
| 20:47.12 | _psychic_ | That's beside the point |
| 20:47.14 | _psychic_ | the point is |
| 20:47.15 | dataw0lf | no it's not |
| 20:47.16 | _psychic_ | marriage is already somehting |
| 20:47.20 | dataw0lf | there's a weight to different rights |
| 20:47.25 | dataw0lf | There always has been. |
| 20:47.27 | _psychic_ | to jump in on it and declare something completely different as the same, is absurdity |
| 20:47.49 | dataw0lf | to think that a guy marrying another guy somehow dilutes YOUR marriage |
| 20:47.51 | SunSparc | Rights are based on beliefs. |
| 20:47.54 | dataw0lf | you should go see a marriage counselor. |
| 20:47.58 | fungus | Just because it was that way in the past, doesn't mean it's right |
| 20:48.12 | _psychic_ | it does dilute it |
| 20:48.13 | fungus | Women got the vote, didn't they! |
| 20:48.14 | _psychic_ | by definition |
| 20:48.21 | fungus | That is a huge change |
| 20:48.24 | _psychic_ | I also feel like blue should also include purple |
| 20:48.29 | _psychic_ | and some green |
| 20:48.36 | _psychic_ | because they're pretty similar |
| 20:48.42 | dataw0lf | Your marriage would suffer because gays can get married. |
| 20:48.45 | dataw0lf | You really believe that. |
| 20:48.46 | _psychic_ | who are you haters to discriminate against me? |
| 20:48.49 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: did I say it? |
| 20:49.06 | _psychic_ | the meaning gets diluted, it makes no legal or common sense |
| 20:49.31 | _psychic_ | honestly I'm all for gay rights, I just don't know why they picked the hardest road possible |
| 20:49.37 | fungus | If you views are religious in nature, then you should fight to remove "marriage" from the legal/societal system |
| 20:50.01 | dataw0lf | exactly. Everyone should have the right to marry as long as it's a legal definition. |
| 20:50.09 | _psychic_ | ok |
| 20:50.14 | _psychic_ | so can I marry myself then? |
| 20:50.14 | SunSparc | historically, marriage was always a religious issue. |
| 20:50.15 | dataw0lf | if you want to remove marriage from the legal books and place something else there, go ahead. |
| 20:50.23 | fungus | Um, Gays didn't introduce the proposition. |
| 20:50.39 | fungus | They just tried to prevent the huge step backwards |
| 20:50.52 | SunSparc | why is it a step backwards for them? |
| 20:50.59 | _psychic_ | IF everyone has the right to marry, then they also have the right to be grandparents. And sisters. And brothers. |
| 20:51.02 | _psychic_ | And black. |
| 20:51.04 | _psychic_ | And martians. |
| 20:51.10 | fungus | If you want to keep marriage a religious issue, you can't support legal discrimination |
| 20:51.10 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: if you had the right to marry taken away from you, would you consider that a step backwards. |
| 20:51.15 | _psychic_ | Because it's their "right". |
| 20:51.35 | dataw0lf | being black isn't a legal issue |
| 20:51.38 | dataw0lf | marriage is |
| 20:51.40 | dataw0lf | and as long as it is |
| 20:51.43 | _psychic_ | it isn't? |
| 20:51.50 | dataw0lf | every consenting adult should be allowed to participate |
| 20:51.53 | SunSparc | Legally, do whatever you want, my marriage it based in religion. Not politics. |
| 20:51.59 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: can I marry myself then? |
| 20:52.07 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: exactly, so why does it matter? |
| 20:52.10 | fungus | Marriage is no longer religious only. It is a societal/legal institution now. |
| 20:52.36 | dataw0lf | I think God will be able to tell the difference between the legal definition of marriage and your religion's definition. |
| 20:52.41 | SunSparc | Because my church leaders say it does. |
| 20:53.02 | dataw0lf | your church leaders think that America's legal system overrides God. |
| 20:53.07 | dataw0lf | That's compelling. |
| 20:53.13 | fungus | And in states without domestic partnership laws, it's even more important. |
| 20:53.16 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 20:53.24 | _psychic_ | fungus: they should fight for their rights |
| 20:53.33 | _psychic_ | not jump in on an already established definition |
| 20:53.41 | fungus | Exactly. the right to be equal with all others |
| 20:54.01 | fungus | The right to be treated equally |
| 20:54.05 | _psychic_ | in their own institution, that is named for their different situation |
| 20:54.34 | fungus | sounds like a repeat of "Separate, but Equal" to me. |
| 20:54.39 | _psychic_ | bah |
| 20:54.45 | _psychic_ | this has nothing to do with rights |
| 20:54.47 | _psychic_ | marriage is not a right |
| 20:54.50 | _psychic_ | it's an opportunity |
| 20:54.57 | fungus | It's not about marriage, as a right. |
| 20:55.07 | fungus | it's about the right to be treated equally |
| 20:55.41 | _psychic_ | right... |
| 20:55.43 | fungus | And in other states, there are a great deal of rights that come with a marriage certificate that is granted by the government |
| 20:55.49 | synic | SunSparc: do you work for cakephp? |
| 20:55.59 | _psychic_ | fungus: that's because they meet the definition |
| 20:56.06 | _psychic_ | it's a right of opportunity |
| 20:56.07 | fungus | death benefits, tax status, insurance, etc |
| 20:56.08 | SunSparc | why should man + man or woman + woman be equal to man + woman? |
| 20:56.17 | SunSparc | synic: no, but _psychic_ does |
| 20:56.29 | synic | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/344039130 <-- heh |
| 20:56.54 | SunSparc | synic: Oh, yeah, just habit to use their bin :) |
| 20:56.56 | _psychic_ | If men can get married, then I can be a single black man married to myself. |
| 20:56.59 | _psychic_ | It's my "right" |
| 20:57.06 | _psychic_ | that way I get treated just like black people |
| 20:57.14 | _psychic_ | I can apply for aid and school like a black person |
| 20:57.23 | _psychic_ | and because I'm married to myself |
| 20:57.26 | _psychic_ | I get all the nice benefits |
| 20:57.40 | _psychic_ | it's absurd. |
| 20:57.48 | _psychic_ | Red is red, blue is blue, and marriage is marriage. |
| 20:58.00 | fungus | of course it's absurd, because you blow it out of proportion. |
| 20:58.18 | dataw0lf | You may as well get used to it. The definition will be changed, and homosexuals will be allowed to marry. |
| 20:58.20 | _psychic_ | fungus: No, it's because I reduce it absurdity. |
| 20:58.48 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: at which point I will apply to marry anything and everything because any argument for gay marriage would allow me to do so. |
| 20:58.50 | dataw0lf | I'm not even going to argue it, but I will continue to sock people who bring up this ridiculous, homophobic Adam and Steve crap. |
| 20:59.08 | _psychic_ | We're gonna win is a cop out argument. |
| 20:59.13 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, second warning |
| 20:59.16 | dataw0lf | I'm not going to win anything |
| 20:59.20 | dataw0lf | I'm not homosexual |
| 20:59.30 | _psychic_ | I don't even care if it wins eventually, it's absurd. |
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| 23:17.37 | beandog | ~rlart |
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| 23:18.43 | unum | so if I have a web form where I expect my users to be able to type 4+5 and submit it as post ajax data how would I do that |
| 23:21.20 | dataw0lf | ... with an XHR request tied to whatever event(s) you want to trigger the request |
| 23:24.46 | unum | the + sign gets eaten |
| 23:24.59 | mgeary_ | escape() |
| 23:25.00 | dataw0lf | you have to encode it and decode it. |
| 23:25.01 | unum | sorry I should have been clearer about the problem |
| 23:25.09 | unum | I am using escape... |
| 23:25.25 | mgeary_ | in javascript? hmm... |
| 23:25.42 | dataw0lf | Strange. It shouldn't be eaten. |
| 23:25.51 | mgeary_ | esp. where it's a post |
| 23:25.55 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 23:26.29 | mgeary_ | unum: is it doing this in multiple browsers? |
| 23:28.23 | unum | mgeary_: interesting it's not |
| 23:28.25 | unum | thanks |
| 23:28.32 | mgeary_ | aha |
| 23:29.12 | unum | weird, they are both firefox 3 |
| 23:29.14 | carmony | anyone know of an open source executive dashboard like program? |
| 23:29.23 | unum | on fedora linux |
| 23:29.44 | beandog | you crazy open source foobs are just anti-capitalist cheapskates |
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| 23:32.12 | beandog | carmony, executive dashboard, you mean like os x has or somthing? |
| 23:32.25 | carmony | reports and stuff |
| 23:32.29 | beandog | oh |
| 23:32.34 | tierra | portfolio management? |
| 23:35.22 | carmony | Kinda |
| 23:36.12 | carmony | business intelligence |
| 23:37.24 | mgeary_ | you're being pretty vague here |
| 23:37.50 | beandog | cant you be more .. yanno |
| 23:38.09 | beandog | :) |
| 23:38.37 | tierra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_intelligence_tools |
| 23:38.48 | tierra | also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_project_management_software |
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| 23:40.54 | tierra | I've been in fights with the guy who appointed himself god over that last page on wikipedia... apparently, despite the fact that Phoenix Project Manager has been around for 5 years now, and has been published in articles, we're less "notable" than several of the pieces of software listed on that page |
| 23:51.02 | carmony | lol |
| 23:51.24 | carmony | mostly web based reports |
| 23:51.37 | carmony | I want to be able to "create" reports based off mysql queries |
| 23:51.48 | mgeary_ | so, like Crystal Reports? |
| 23:51.56 | carmony | yes, but web based |
| 23:52.03 | tierra | well, now you're in a whole different category of software... heh, make up your mind |
| 23:52.33 | itimber | I'm out..... later guys |
