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| 16:25.18 | carmony | Good morning |
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| 17:03.04 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 17:03.05 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:03.06 | jbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in optikal's direction, hitting optikal and sending optikal flying into the closet |
| 17:06.29 | carmony | how do you guys know all those commands? |
| 17:06.55 | mgeary | ~nerdschool carmony |
| 17:06.56 | jbot | ACTION chains carmony to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 17:07.14 | carmony | lol |
| 17:15.50 | itimber | carmony: so do you have an iPhone Dev License? |
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| 17:20.36 | carmony | itimber, yes |
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| 17:20.40 | carmony | lol |
| 17:20.53 | carmony | itimber, the company I'm contracting for does |
| 17:21.55 | itimber | ah |
| 17:22.49 | itimber | I may have to buy one, just due to the fact that there's a limited supply |
| 17:23.04 | carmony | brb, need to reboot router |
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| 17:43.47 | _carmony | good old comcast.... |
| 18:15.45 | mgeary | you know, Phil Collins used to be cool.... |
| 18:15.57 | mgeary | back in the Genesis days |
| 18:42.04 | _psychic_ | he can't dance. |
| 18:43.28 | itimber | BRB.... Lunch |
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| 19:31.28 | _carmony | quite day |
| 19:32.27 | mgeary | typical monday |
| 19:32.33 | mgeary | heads-down, getting stuff donw |
| 19:32.39 | mgeary | s/donw/done/ |
| 19:37.34 | mgeary | unless you're a slacker like that itimber guy, eating lunch all day long |
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| 19:39.22 | mgeary | ...or justingiboney |
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| 19:40.10 | justingiboney | ? |
| 19:40.25 | mgeary | uh, oh. um, nothing |
| 19:40.31 | DexterTheDragon | justingiboney: your website don't work |
| 19:40.37 | justingiboney | what doesn't work? |
| 19:40.43 | DexterTheDragon | the test |
| 19:41.10 | justingiboney | what doesn't work about it? |
| 19:41.36 | DexterTheDragon | I logged in with the test user and went to take it and the first question looks like this: |
| 19:41.39 | DexterTheDragon | If you do not care about having a personal account use |
| 19:41.42 | DexterTheDragon | User Name: test |
| 19:41.44 | DexterTheDragon | gah |
| 19:41.49 | DexterTheDragon | \r\n\r\n1.1.2\r\n2.1.2\r\n3.1.2\r\n4.1.2\r\n\r\n<code>for ($i=1;$i<5;$i++){\r\necho $i;\r\nfor ($i=1;$i<3;$i++){\r\necho '.' . $i;\r\n}\r\necho '<br />';\r\n}\r\n</code> |
| 19:41.52 | DexterTheDragon | that |
| 19:42.11 | justingiboney | i see that the line endindgs didn't come across well... i'll fix that |
| 19:42.24 | justingiboney | thanks |
| 19:42.32 | DexterTheDragon | then when I went back to the homepage and clicked take the test again i got an sql error |
| 19:43.06 | justingiboney | i'll look into the back button, thanks |
| 19:43.20 | DexterTheDragon | right syntax to use near 'WHERE QuestionID = '' AND TestID = '123'' at line 1 <-thats the sql error I got |
| 19:57.05 | DexterTheDragon | you have to watch our ads and fbi warnings |
| 19:57.30 | justingiboney | do you have to read the copyright information in a book? |
| 19:58.09 | mgeary | very soon, perhaps |
| 20:00.37 | justingiboney | ok, so i am pulling from a db that has line breaks in a string... how do I make the line breaks appear on the screen? |
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| 20:03.39 | mgeary | is this html? |
| 20:03.43 | mgeary | can you be more specific? |
| 20:03.59 | mgeary | are you looking for nl2br() ? |
| 20:04.08 | justingiboney | in the db it has "\n" but it is showing the "\n" in the html |
| 20:04.12 | mgeary | so yes |
| 20:04.16 | mgeary | you're looking for nl2br() |
| 20:04.25 | justingiboney | i just tried that |
| 20:04.30 | justingiboney | on the output |
| 20:04.40 | justingiboney | does it need to be used on the input? |
| 20:05.03 | mgeary | no |
| 20:05.14 | mgeary | however |
| 20:05.23 | mgeary | if the DB has literally "\n" then that won't work |
| 20:05.32 | mgeary | i thought you were using shorthand for a linebreak |
| 20:05.32 | justingiboney | ya... that's what it has |
| 20:05.45 | mgeary | ah. is there a reason you're escaping them like that? |
| 20:06.11 | mgeary | you'll probably need to do a str_replace or preg_replace if your db has literal "\n"s |
| 20:10.45 | justingiboney | str replace("\n", "\n", $question) isn't working |
| 20:11.27 | optikal | He /win 24 |
| 20:11.59 | mgeary | you'd have to escape the first one |
| 20:12.11 | mgeary | str_replace("\\n","\n",$question) |
| 20:12.14 | mgeary | try that |
| 20:12.27 | mgeary | even though it's not preg_ it still supports escaped chars |
| 20:13.36 | justingiboney | k, that worked, but i had to wrap it in nl2br |
| 20:14.14 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:14.23 | mgeary | or you could use "<br>" as your 2nd param |
| 20:14.31 | justingiboney | thats true, lol |
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| 20:18.14 | mgeary | though again, you may want to reconsider storing "\n" in the db |
| 20:24.33 | justingiboney | i got to run, but the exam will be fixed soon, thanks for all your help |
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| 22:20.40 | Trevyn1 | Good afternoon |
| 22:21.01 | Trevyn1 | I have some questions about web application testing |
| 22:21.09 | Trevyn1 | anyone had any exp with that? |
| 22:21.20 | _psychic_ | what kind of testing? |
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| 22:22.04 | Trevyn1 | Cros browser CSS testing, cross browser JS |
| 22:22.12 | Trevyn1 | Functionality testing |
| 22:22.29 | _psychic_ | yeah I hope everyone here has that experience :) |
| 22:22.31 | Trevyn1 | Load balancing testing. |
| 22:22.48 | _psychic_ | load balancing testing is voodoo |
| 22:22.54 | _psychic_ | but if you must, ab is a pretty good tool |
| 22:22.56 | Trevyn1 | _psychic_: More importantly with Documenting/Automating Test Cases |
| 22:22.59 | _psychic_ | you can purchase more intense tools |
| 22:23.08 | _psychic_ | I *love* unit testing |
| 22:23.27 | Trevyn1 | What is unit testing? |
| 22:23.41 | Trevyn1 | Testing of individual software components. |
| 22:23.47 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 22:24.06 | _psychic_ | you run em to make sure everything's still working after you change something |
| 22:24.12 | Trevyn1 | _psychic_: thanks for your responses. |
| 22:24.33 | Trevyn1 | _psychic_: is web application testing something that is contracted out? |
| 22:24.38 | Trevyn1 | normally? |
| 22:24.48 | _psychic_ | nothing is "normal" |
| 22:24.59 | _psychic_ | some people have inhouse people that do it |
| 22:25.14 | _psychic_ | I don't think developers are good testers though |
| 22:25.15 | Trevyn1 | What is a average pay rate for an in house person for testing? |
| 22:25.25 | Trevyn1 | how does it compair to developer rates? |
| 22:25.54 | _psychic_ | Everyone should get paid less than developers.... ;) |
| 22:25.56 | _psychic_ | no idea |
| 22:26.09 | Trevyn1 | k |
| 22:26.25 | Trevyn1 | Selenium? and testlink are the two peices I am looking at |
| 22:26.30 | Trevyn1 | Selenium for the automation |
| 22:27.07 | Trevyn1 | testlink for a simple test case database |
| 22:27.17 | Trevyn1 | do you recomend any software? |
| 22:27.28 | Trevyn1 | or general practices with Build roll outs ect? |
| 22:30.19 | _psychic_ | I use simpletest because cakephp has a really nice integration setup with it |
| 22:30.24 | _psychic_ | no complaints there |
| 22:30.40 | _psychic_ | we just frown on commits to the trunk that cause tests to fail |
| 22:30.49 | _psychic_ | or commits to trunk that aren't covered by test case(s) |
| 22:30.59 | _psychic_ | it kinda depends on the project though, and how much time you have to do the tests |
| 22:33.32 | Trevyn1 | were using cake for most of these projects Im thinking about |
| 22:33.46 | Trevyn1 | and we were thinking 1 developer for 4 programers |
| 22:35.56 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 22:36.06 | _psychic_ | 1 tester you mean? |
| 22:36.19 | _psychic_ | if you're using cake, you might check this out: http://book.cakephp.org/view/160/Testing |
| 22:38.59 | Trevyn1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development this is where I am leaning |
| 22:39.10 | Trevyn1 | creating test cases prior to developemnt |
| 22:39.25 | Trevyn1 | and using the test case database as the scope |
| 22:39.32 | Trevyn1 | using bugzilla for the bugs |
| 22:39.32 | _psychic_ | TDD is awesome |
| 22:39.40 | _psychic_ | i use tdd when writing web services |
| 22:39.53 | _psychic_ | cake's setup also lets you define fixtures |
| 22:48.51 | Trevyn1 | good read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_Contract |
| 22:49.09 | Trevyn1 | This stuff is blowing my mind |
| 22:49.18 | Trevyn1 | Were do people learn this stuff? School? :) |
| 23:22.54 | _psychic_ | Experience. |
| 23:23.12 | mgeary | can someone remind me of xmission's irc? i know it's on irc.xmission.com, but i can't recall the room name |
| 23:23.37 | _psychic_ | xmlounge |
| 23:23.41 | mgeary | bingo |
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| 23:42.29 | carmony | ..... thats creepy |
| 23:42.56 | beandog | heh |
| 23:43.38 | beandog | mindjuju, did you get your Teen Titans DVD |
| 23:58.51 | SunSparc | mindjuju, carmony: Interested in a LAN party? |
| 23:59.15 | carmony | SunSparc: when and where? |
| 23:59.31 | SunSparc | This Friday, Rain HQ (AF) all night long. |
| 23:59.49 | SunSparc | BYOM(achine) |