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00:07.55mgearywoah
00:08.16mgearyman, i haven't had Cap'n Crunch Berries for decades
00:08.21mgearydang you, beandog
00:08.28beandogheh
00:08.41beandogoh hey lookie here, on their website a bit o trivia
00:08.54beandogJay Ward created the Cap'n and his friends
00:09.01mgeary"Our cereal contains no nutritional value" ?
00:09.05beandogmgeary, that too
00:09.21beandog"Discarded cereal can be recycled as cardboard"
00:09.40mgearyand vice versa
00:09.46beandoglol
00:13.50beandogthat choco crunch looks absolutely disgusting
00:13.57beandogit seriously looks like pellets of poop
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00:16.30beandoghttp://change.gov/
00:16.32beandognow thats cool.
00:17.45mgearyheh. i'll bet McCain has something similar that's now just gathering dust somewhere
00:17.59mgearyi doubt the Obama people threw this together in 2 days
00:20.33dataw0lfhttp://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
00:21.46beandoglmao
00:21.48beandogthta is awesome
00:21.59dataw0lfmgeary: doubtful.  They're saying Obama had unprecedented levels of preparedness going in
00:22.17dataw0lf(as the campaign had with nearly everything)
00:23.39beandoghttp://www.27bslash6.com/plasmascreen.html
00:27.06mgearyheh. that's like that person who wanted to scan a mirror so his monitor would reflect
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16:03.56mindjujuwell, don't everybody talk at once
16:07.05mgeary~friday
16:07.06jbot! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
16:07.11mgeary~fridays
16:07.17mgeary~weekend
16:07.18jboti guess weekend is something always too far away to be happy and passes to fast by when it is finally there. So it sucks too.
16:07.38mindjujuugh, what a punch of goofheads
16:07.40mindjujuhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081107/sc_nm/us_brain_bullies
16:07.44mindjujui could have told them that
16:07.55mgeary~bully mindjuju
16:07.57mindjujuhaving been on the receiving end in elementary school
16:08.50mindjujuoh, how funny, the first sentence int he 2nd paragraph address my concerns
16:09.17mindjujuoh psh
16:09.40mindjujudoes one wedgie because they are unemotional or do the wedgie because it brings pleasure?
16:09.44mindjujupleasure of course!
16:10.27mgeary~wedgie mindjuju
16:10.28jbotACTION hangs mindjuju from the flag pole by his underwear
16:10.35mgearyhmm, you're right, mindjuju!
16:10.43mindjujuyup, knew it
16:11.10mgeary~give mindjuju a government research grant
16:11.11jbotACTION gives a government research grant to mindjuju
16:11.20mindjuju:)
16:11.24mindjujuthx! could use one
16:11.49mindjujui would like to finish up my equally impressive psychological study i started in high school
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16:14.54carmonyokay, so who here works for a web design company?
16:15.05mgearycan you clarify the question?
16:15.12carmonyyes ;)
16:15.16mgeary"web design company" is a bit ambiguous
16:15.54carmonyI'm in need of a company to help re-design a website graphical feel. We have great coders, we just lack a little graphical touch.
16:16.39mindjujumacnewbold has a good graphic developer in a d00d named Luke
16:16.47mindjujudon't know if they lease him out though
16:16.59mindjujuwps is a GD that does contracts
16:17.10mindjujumgeary, how does TreeLine do stuff?
16:17.17mgearywe do design & development
16:17.19mindjujudo ya'll typically do stuff like this
16:17.28mindjujubut i mean, just the design part?
16:17.28mgearyyes, we've done design-only gigs before
16:17.29carmonyhere is the website we need to re-design: http://www.cevo.com/
16:17.36mindjujuah gotcha
16:18.30mindjujucarmony - don't think anybody else here does GD stuff
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16:18.47mindjujucertainly not fungus, at least
16:18.51carmonyhere is something I've mocked up, I just need help giving it a little more edge and kick to it: http://www.justincarmony.com/cevo/cevo-css.jpg
16:19.00mindjujujust kidding fungus
16:19.02mindjujusup
16:19.12fungussup, I thought I missed something.
16:19.30mindjujucarmony was looking for a graphic developer and I saw you come through
16:19.42mindjujuthought it would be funny if i made it look like we was talkin' about you
16:19.43funguslol, me?
16:19.45mindjuju:)
16:19.51macnewbold~yow
16:19.59fungusThat's hilarious.  me a graphic designer.  ROFL
16:20.29mindjujuyou should see my stuff, it looks like a brick, but with a bright pretty bow (pretty bow == CSS )
16:20.38mindjujusup macnewbold
16:22.16fungusCSS?  what's that?  ... Oh that styling thing that I steal from other people.  I get it.
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16:24.41mindjujui can write my own css, but the design ideas and color selections, that I have to steal
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16:43.20itimbermorning guys
16:44.54wpshowdy
16:45.11wpsso I saw a hand doctor yesterday
16:45.20wpsI have something called trigger finger and early carpal tunnel
16:45.40wpsthe results of a decade of working on a computer
16:45.46wps:(
16:47.05mgearyi have been soooo fortunate to not have faced that in my 14 years of professional computing
16:47.42wpsso I have to take two months off and mouse with my left hand
16:47.49wpsand get an ergonomic mouse
16:48.03_psychic_time to quit playing all those games, wps
16:48.18orsonjmight be a good meeting topic. "exercises to help prevent RSI related  injuries"
16:48.20wpsI actually don't play any games
16:48.42wpsI actually think that this was a big factor in my injuries: http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/
16:49.11wpsit's a beautiful mouse… I love the way it works and feels… but it's bad for hand support
16:49.44wpsit's a small mouse and therefor you hand doe not rest on it… your hand has to support itself up above it causing unescessary strain
16:49.56orsonj~vim++
16:50.52wpsthe 360 degree scroll ball on that mouse is awesome though
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16:51.20orsonjyeah, it's a mouse on a mouse
16:51.27carmonywps, a little bird told me you did design work
16:51.58orsonjjust need to get rid of the ball and replace it with an optical scanner. ball mice are so old school.
16:52.22wpsit is an optical mouse… the ball is on the top
16:52.26wpsI am, carmony
16:52.31orsonjno, on both sides
16:52.37carmonycare if I pm'd you a few questions?
16:53.12wpsno, go ahead
16:53.51DexterTheDragonwps you should get a wacom tablet
16:54.20wpstablets are great from drawing, but not for general mousing (in my opinion)
16:54.31itimberI'm with you wps
16:57.11DexterTheDragonour designer has RSI and use his tablet the majority of the time
16:57.26DexterTheDragondrives me crazy but seems to work for him
17:20.28orsonjhttp://www.learn-to-draw.com/
17:24.08wpsmsg carmony
17:24.12wpsha ha
17:52.16mgeary~seen thebigdog
17:52.19jbotthebigdog <n=thebigdo@70.103.91.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 10d 1h 35m 41s ago, saying: 'pretty good version too'.
17:52.25mgearylong time no see
18:06.34mindjujusynic - d00d ravetrax has gone rogue and is playing some jazzy / semi techno funk weirdness
18:09.00mgearybah. Vinegar is not a condiment
18:09.32mgeary~vinegar
18:09.38jsmithMmmmn... lunch
18:09.44mgearyjbot vinegar is not a condiment
18:09.45jbotokay, mgeary
18:09.49beandogmmmm .... lego batman
18:09.51mgeary~vinegar
18:09.52jbotmethinks vinegar is not a condiment
18:09.57mgearyyou'd be right
18:10.27mindjujuso they shouldn't make salt and vinegar chips?
18:10.39mgearywell, they're welcome to do whatever they want
18:11.04_psychic_vinegar is too a condiment - you put it on salads and sammiches.
18:11.06mgearyi wouldn't buy motor oil chips either
18:11.20mgeary_psychic_: that's just my point. Ugh
18:11.44_psychic_ha
18:11.58mindjujudat cool, cause i still don't see the point of contention
18:12.10mgearythe de-vinegarification of all free citizens!
18:13.15beandogketchup is evil
18:13.15mindjujuk, fry sauce, in all its myriad of formations is dreadfully wrong
18:13.15beandogit is red, after all
18:13.15mgearywell, you can't go by number of followers. Just because millions of people do it, doesn't mean they're not wrong
18:13.15mgearynice double negative there
18:13.16mgearytriple, really
18:14.00mindjujubut first, let's hammer out vinegar
18:14.09_psychic_viva la vinegar!
18:14.11mindjujuso are you saying we should use vinegar less?
18:14.49carmonyfry-sauce
18:14.50carmony:P
18:15.13DexterTheDragonI think more baking soda needs to be put in vinegar
18:15.25mindjujugood idea dexterthedragon
18:15.47mindjujui gots to say, before we get too far into this conversation
18:15.50carmonySo, are we going to have a meet-up or geek lunch this month?
18:15.54mgearymindjuju: not really. I mean, you're welcome to pour liver bile over your tuna if it makes you happy. That doesn't make liver bile a condiment, imo
18:16.07mindjujuoh
18:16.10mindjujui gotcha
18:16.11beandogwhere do you even buy liver bile
18:16.19mindjujuso here is my killer question for mgeary
18:16.22mgearymmm, home-squeezed liver bile
18:16.23mindjujuthe true brain stumper
18:16.31mindjujuwhat...
18:16.37carmony42
18:16.40mindjujuwhat about fish and chips?
18:16.51mindjujuyou HAVE to put vinegar on fish & chips
18:17.00mindjujuby law even
18:17.03mgearybah
18:17.17mgearyfresh-squeezed lemon juice. that's all it needs
18:17.19DexterTheDragonoooooo fish and chips
18:17.27carmonyyou HAVE to put cow stomach in Menudo, an ingredient doesn't translate to condement.
18:17.39mindjujuwell, i agree, lemon juice is nice to have on fish and chips
18:17.47mindjujubut if you want the ultimate, you have to do it with vinegar
18:17.58beandognasty food, all of it
18:18.20mindjujucarmony - menudo is so yum
18:18.20DexterTheDragonpoor beandog
18:18.32mindjujubeandog is a meat and potato kind of guy
18:18.46beandogexactly!
18:19.08mindjujunothing wrong with that, but you sure miss out on some good eats
18:19.23mindjujulike the sushi from happy sumo
18:19.42mindjujuhe knows what up there
18:20.59mgearybah
18:21.15mgearybah, i say
18:21.40mindjujuso mgeary, out of curiosity, in what settings should vinegar be used?
18:22.02mgearyit's an ingredient, in my book
18:22.15mgearypickles, ketchup, whatever, those are fine uses of vinegar
18:22.23mgearyanother example--
18:22.28mgearygarlic is not a condiment
18:22.38mgearyyou cook with it, but you don't garnish with it, imo
18:22.47carmonymindjuju: posoli is better than Menudo. I don't care for the "squish" factor of cow stomach
18:23.11mindjujuso when you sprinkle a little a little cilantro over a Spanish meal, that's bad?
18:23.22mgearywell, cilantro is evil, so yes
18:23.28mgeary;)
18:23.35mindjujucarmony - the squish is half the fun!
18:23.46mindjujucilantro is evil?
18:23.46mgearymindjuju: you're not helping your cause here
18:23.58mgearyicky stuff
18:23.59mindjujuwell, was just asking for clarification
18:24.47mgeary'bout time for a Wal*Mart dicussion
18:24.55mindjujucarmony - about your question on this month's meeting and geeklunch here is where we stand
18:25.19mindjujui don't have anything lined up for Nov, was going to see if macnewbold and his crew wanted to present
18:25.48mindjujupossibly on setting up LAMP, or PHP for beginners, possibly split topic so more mature PHPers would still feel welcome
18:26.09mindjujuabout Geek Lunch, I think we're goign to push back until early Dec and do what we did 2 yrs ago
18:26.43mindjujugeeks + friends, family, etc Lunch
18:26.51mindjujupossibly at Goodwood
18:27.00mindjujuprovided they have something that fungus could eat
18:27.10mindjujuelse, we'll ahve to find some place else
18:27.18mindjujubut last time we did that, it was a blast
18:27.43mindjujuand was our second highest attended event with like 33 people
18:28.03mindjuju1st highest was Rodzio grill with 35
18:28.20mindjujuexcept of course for the UTOS Geek DInner at Tucanos which had i think 50+ easily
18:32.57beandogyou guys are making me hungry
18:33.59mindjujubeandog - http://www.gearlog.com/2008/11/palit_revolution_700_deluxe_wo.php
18:34.50beandoggood grief.
18:36.53carmonyOne thing I would like to hear about is moving between Dev, Staging, and Production
18:37.31mgearycool. the iPhone can deal with phone numbers with letters
18:37.34mindjujutierra, got a moment
18:37.49mgearye.g. 1-800-EAT-YAMS
18:37.58mindjujumgeary, that's awesome
18:38.16mindjujucarmony - tierra presented on svn and mediawiki
18:38.28mindjujuit's been a couple years, but that's a great idea
18:38.53mindjujuif i recall, tierra is a big fan of svn, maybe we could have dexterthedragon present on git
18:39.00mindjujulike split meeting
18:39.55DexterTheDragonI could probably do either git or cakephp
18:42.42mindjujutierra, what is it you do with SVN
18:42.55tierradesktop application software
18:43.26tierraI didn't cover dev/staging/production SVN setups for web developement in my presentation I gave a while back
18:43.41mindjujudo you think you can?
18:43.43tierraI don't have much experience there
18:43.48mindjujugotcha
18:43.57carmonyI use SVN for several projects.. I just always wonder if there are better ways to do it than I have done it
18:44.33mindjujumaybe we could do a roundtable
18:44.44tierraI wish there was a good setup for it, but the closest I've found is that camps project written in perl, and it does simplify a lot, but it's still complicated
18:45.02carmonyI use svn/trac combo
18:46.23_psychic_cakephp++
18:46.30tierrahttp://www.devcamps.org/
18:46.35tierraI don't use it
18:47.04tierrabut that's the closest I've seen to a usable SVN web development dev/stage/production setup kinda system
18:47.06mindjujuhow would you guys like a presentation on cake?
18:47.51tierraalso, I should note that devcamps is SCM-agnostic, it'll work with SVN, git, or whatever
18:53.43carmonyI could throw together a presentation for SVN/Trac/WebDev and get input on improving the methods
18:54.26mindjujutrac is something i've wanted to see closer, but haven't had the time
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18:55.19tierraI used to hate it with a passion, but since wxWidgets has migrated to it, and I've been forced into really looking at it and learning it, I've actually come to like it
18:55.29tierraheh
18:56.14tierraI'm still not fond of some aspects of it, but as a tracker, it doesn't get much better
18:57.37tierraI didn't know anything about the workflow stuff in Trac at all until wx picked it up, and now I've seen how customizable it is, I realize how powerful it is
18:58.12tierrahttp://trac.wxwidgets.org/wiki/wxTracWorkflow <- wx workflow for example
18:59.49carmonytierra, this is a great example of project using Trac
19:01.01tierraI also hadn't realized how powerful the RSS feeds were too until now
19:03.16tierrawxWidgets already has a wiki <http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/> (I run it), but we've considered moving all of our internal development related wiki pages over to Trac, and just keeping user-based content on the MediaWiki wiki
19:07.02mindjuju@beandog - how many can you do?  http://gizmodo.com/5078829/the-50-skills-every-geek-should-have
19:18.14tierraI'm not going to say what I got on that... it'd sadly be more if I actually owned a 3G phone with wi-fi / iPhone, a nintendo DS, a DSLR camera, and/or TiVo
19:19.00mindjujuyeah, had to skip over those too
19:19.01tierrasome of those are redundant too, for example, what's the point of wi-fi through 3G if you can already tether your 3G phone over USB or bluetooth
19:21.24beandogokay, curl is cool.
19:26.56itimberanyone do an iPhone app before?
19:28.57beandogmindjuju, should I count the ones I have done or can do
19:30.40beandogI've done 16
19:31.46carmonyitimber, web app or client app?
19:31.59itimberclient
19:34.01carmonyit sucks
19:34.02carmony:P
19:34.06itimberya?
19:34.10carmonyits extremely complicated
19:34.36itimberare you saying that I should just hire you to take care of it for me?
19:34.37itimber:)
19:34.40itimberLOL
19:35.17carmonylol, no thanks ;)
19:35.21itimberI'd like one so that I could get the GPS cords and push that back to my site
19:35.32carmonyObj-C 2.0 was weird.
19:35.50carmonyThe pain to get all the certificates just to *test* your code on your phone is rediculous
19:36.34carmonyand sometimes apple will reject your app and take 2 weeks to get back to you to tell you why
19:37.37carmonyweb services are non-existant
19:37.44carmonyyou have to do them all yourself
19:46.48orsonjI setup an upside-down-ternet proxy once, but I agree with tierra that a lot of those expect you to have extra money
19:47.08beandoghttp://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/11/07/criterion-announces-burnout-paradise-legendary-cars/
19:47.10beandogburnout paradise is the best game I've ever bought
19:47.10beandogTheyve had 3 major updates since I bought it, all free
19:47.10beandogand theres more coming!
19:47.10beandogwoots
19:48.04beandog:D
19:48.13tierrasweet, I should get that going
19:48.42tierraI'm still only like 20% done with the single player, and still haven't played it at all on live
19:49.30tierraand I still get myself lost way too often in the city
19:50.04PoeticIntensityyo, josephscott, you around?
19:50.42josephscottPoeticIntensity: yep, what's up?
19:50.54PoeticIntensitywell... I'd PM you, but I think the question might be relevant...
19:51.19PoeticIntensityI've got a client who wants to completely automate the creation of blogs within a WP-MU installation...
19:51.29PoeticIntensityis he nuts?
19:51.49itimberWP-MU is garbage, IMHO
19:51.58itimber(but you didn't ask me)
19:52.00itimberLOL
19:52.10PoeticIntensityhe has a template he wants the blogs to start out as, and then he'll allow the owner of the blog to modify as he / she sees fit.
19:52.47PoeticIntensitybut, with minimal information (username / password / name / etc....), he wants to be able to automate the creation of the blogs.
19:53.00PoeticIntensity@ itimber - WP-MU is not an option.
19:53.04PoeticIntensityer.... changing from it.
19:53.04PoeticIntensity:)
19:54.01PoeticIntensityI've been researching this for a couple of hours, and have come to the conclusion that doing this within the timeframe he wants may not even be possible.
19:54.01mgearybut it is hard to argue with success
19:54.34PoeticIntensityyeah... WP is what most people go to first when considering a blog...... and therefore, people who want to capitalize on it go to WP-MU.
19:55.06beandogb2evolution is a pretty nice multi-user blog option
19:55.31PoeticIntensityagain - I'm afraid that changing the software isn't an option.
19:56.50josephscottnot sure what you mean by automatically create blogs in WPMU
19:57.09josephscottthe sign up process in WPMU is pretty minimal already
19:57.25PoeticIntensityyup... for sure.
19:57.34josephscottwhen you sign up a blog is created
19:58.27PoeticIntensitywhat this guy wants is for them to, on a page he's created, enter their username / password / blog title / and a few other tidbits of information, and have a new blog be generated.
19:59.06beandogPoeticIntensity, what does the current admin page do, isn't it pretty minimal already?  it wouldnt work?
19:59.08PoeticIntensityAFAIK, one needs to manipulate the filesystem in the blog creation process...? (I'm really not very familiar with the whole WP-MU system)...
19:59.24PoeticIntensitybeandog, it wouldn't work because that page isn't accessible already to the users who will be creating the accounts.
19:59.42beandogOh, gotcha, I thoguht there was one person making them.
19:59.47beandogIts more like a "give me a blog" page
19:59.53PoeticIntensityagain - I'm quite naive to the whole WP-MU thing.
19:59.55PoeticIntensityyes...
20:00.00PoeticIntensityit's a "click here for your new blog" thing.
20:00.42josephscottthat's what the sign up process does, it creates a blog
20:00.54PoeticIntensityI was researching when I remembered that josephscott probably had a couple of nuggets of info I would find useful...
20:01.09josephscottI work on a large WPMU install :-)
20:01.14PoeticIntensityheh... yup.
20:01.41PoeticIntensitywell... apparently, this guy has to go in and create folders in the filesystem in order for new blogs to be created...
20:02.00PoeticIntensityalong with other stuff that isn't very user-friendly...
20:02.15PoeticIntensityand I haven't used WP-MU at all, so I don't know any differently.
20:02.21carmony*plugs josephscott's ears* but the WP and WPMU code is really... weird. I dunno, the naming structures, methods, and implementation is very different from what I would have done.
20:02.47josephscottPoeticIntensity: nope, shouldn't need to touch the filesystem at all
20:02.55PoeticIntensityso.... I guess the question is: Would making a page where a non-technical person who didn't have access.....
20:02.58PoeticIntensityhmmm....
20:03.11josephscotthave you setup WPMU already?
20:03.12carmonyPoeticIntensity, it sounds like that guy is using *just* WordPress, not Word Press MU
20:03.28carmonyif you just use wordpress, then yes, you would have to create new directories, etc.
20:03.42PoeticIntensityI just downloaded WP-MU and have been playing around with it for a couple of hours, and when I create a new blog, then click on the link to direct me there from the home page, it goes to a 404 page...
20:03.46carmonyWPMU does it differently and all automatically
20:03.52PoeticIntensitythat leads me to believe that the filesystem hasn't been created....???
20:03.55josephscottcarmony: there are some odd things, and I would probably have done some things differently as well.
20:03.56carmony.htaccess
20:04.03PoeticIntensitycarmony, I'm 100% sure he's using WP-MU
20:04.30josephscottPoeticIntensity: you using sub-domains or sub-directories?
20:04.48PoeticIntensityhe requires that we use sub-directories.
20:04.49PoeticIntensitythe reasons for which are completely unknown to me.
20:05.27PoeticIntensityso - yes... I'm using sub-directories as well.
20:05.37josephscottok
20:06.12PoeticIntensity(I appreciate your helping me.  I'm sure you've got your plate full without my blathering)
20:12.00carmonyBah!!!! DexterTheDragon, you're using my theme on your blog!!! :P (well, not my theme, but I started using it first!! ;))
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20:42.56DexterTheDragonyeah I need to tweak it so it doesn't look like everyone elses
20:50.44mindjujuoh wow
20:50.48mindjujuthese guys, how they tempt the fates!  http://tinyurl.com/6xrxbh
20:50.53mindjujumust see
20:51.18carmonyOMG
20:51.21PoeticIntensityLOL
20:51.22PoeticIntensitywoah...
20:51.30carmonydarwinism at its best
20:51.31PoeticIntensityI'd say they're doing more than tempting..
20:51.48mindjuju:)
20:52.11mindjujuat first when i got it, i was like, what's the big deal
20:52.25mindjujubut then, it's like, wait, is that a surge bar wedged into sandles floating on water?
20:52.36mindjujucrazy
20:53.18jsmithabsolutely nuts
20:53.29carmonymindjuju, you've got mail;
20:54.25mindjujucarmony - checking
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21:05.54Jacob_KerrProb not really plugged in..
21:06.06Jacob_Kerr:)
21:06.11mindjujuwho knows
21:06.30Jacob_KerrIf it is then they are complete idiots.. Muahahaha....
21:06.51DexterTheDragonnah the beer bottles says it is
21:07.12mindjuju_psychic_ , beandog , mgeary - this is a condiment - http://www.baconnaise.com/
21:07.46DexterTheDragonand the best one ever
21:07.54mindjujunot for fungus though
21:07.58Jacob_KerrLOL I would like to see someone eat that with a spoon..
21:08.20DexterTheDragonand then die
21:08.49fungusNasty.  I can't believe someone paid to make and market that stuff.
21:09.00mindjujuoh cool, there is a baconSalt too
21:11.08mindjujucool, rachael ray is says baconsalt tastes good
21:11.13mindjujugot to get me some now
21:11.22Jacob_KerrLOL
21:12.10_psychic_olds: you see Danny Torres might get a trial with FC Dallas?
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21:21.45mgeary~ping beandog
21:21.46jbotpong beandog
21:22.01mgearyyou're a big user of ffmpeg, no?
21:22.03_psychic_~ding beandog
21:22.12_psychic_...
21:25.50macnewbold~zippy
21:44.52mindjujuhe went to go buy the baconnaise
21:51.33beandogbaconnaise?
21:51.37beandogmgeary, yah whatws up
21:51.55mindjujubeandog - http://www.baconnaise.com/
21:52.03mgearyheya. You know of a way to use ffmpeg to extract an arbitrary portion of an mp3 file?
21:52.34beandogyou mean like a specific portion?
21:52.54beandogffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -ss <start seconds> -t <end seconds> bar.mp3
21:53.05beandogmindjuju, nice
21:53.09beandogheart attack in a jar
21:53.30mindjujunot really, there is a "lite" version there too
21:54.30beandogthe world can always use more bacon
21:55.58mgearybeandog: that's looking perfect
21:56.00mgearythanks
21:57.47mgearybeandog: are you sure that's <end seconds> and not <duration seconds> ?
21:58.03beandoger yah, duration.
21:58.11mgearycool, thanks
21:59.30olds_psychic_: srsly?
21:59.41oldsI totally forgot about that guy
22:00.23oldshe wasn't that bad
22:00.33oldsbut he's nowhere near the caliber of defenders we have now
22:01.00_psychic_agreed
22:02.34beandoghttp://home.centurytel.net/thecitychicken/index.html
22:02.35beandogwtc
22:02.57mgearyhey herlo
22:03.16mgearyi've got a RHEL 5 machine that i need to get ffmpeg onto. My current yum config doesn't have it. Any suggestions?
22:03.43beandogmgeary, svn, it really doesnt have many deps
22:04.05mgearywell, it presumably has lamp/mp3 deps, no?
22:04.07beandogwell, assuming you have gcc and other -devel stuff installed.
22:04.09mgearys/lamp/lame
22:04.11beandogmgeary, libmp3lame
22:04.21beandogbut again, that'd be about it
22:04.25mgeary'cause i don't have that either :(
22:04.37mgearymy yum-skillz are weak
22:04.39beandoghrmm. poop.  Im sure theres rpms out there.
22:04.53beandogmgeary, or I can edit it for you
22:04.54beandog:)
22:07.55mgearycan someone remind me how to install a rpm?
22:08.08beandoginvoke herlo
22:08.36mgeary~invoke herlo
22:08.55synicrpm -i
22:10.06mgeary"warning: rpmfusion-free-release-5-0.1.noarch.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e74f0522"
22:15.07beandogits just nog signed
22:15.10beandognot
22:45.41beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jByDLjI3IIU&NR=1
22:55.15mindjujutoo funny beandog
23:01.27wpsmindjuju
23:01.34wpssince you're the fry's/deal guru
23:01.43wpsI thought I'd see if you'd seen any better deals
23:01.57wpsI think I finally have my wife's approval to buy some new hard drives
23:02.18wpsI'm looking at some 1.5 TB seagate barracuda's for $150 a piece
23:02.34wps7200 RPM, SATA 3.0 Gb/s
23:02.42mindjujui actually hven't checked fry's today, is that where you're seeing them
23:02.43DexterTheDragon32MB cache
23:02.57wpsyes, and 32 MB cache
23:03.09DexterTheDragon8.5MS seek
23:03.35wpshmm… it doesn't list seek speed
23:03.43wpslatency is 4 ms
23:04.55wpsman, the prices are awesome now
23:05.02wps3 TB for $300 bucks
23:05.43mindjujuwhere are you looking at?
23:05.53wpsnew egg
23:06.06wpsI have another report on the new MBP glossy screen after using it for a few days now
23:06.22wpsif you have the screen at full brightness, then it's rarely every an issue
23:06.42DexterTheDragonunfortionately then the battery is
23:06.46wpsbut if you have it at a lower brightness, then it can be unusable some times (if there is a light behind you)
23:07.17wpsright, DexterTheDragon, and generally when you are in situations where you would have a light behind you you will be in a place where you will not be plugged in
23:07.29wps(ie, outside, in a conference room, on the bus, etc)
23:07.49DexterTheDragonI use my eee pc on 20% brightness in direct sunlight
23:08.10wpsbut, that said, it is less with the LED than with LCD glossies I think
23:09.22mindjujuwps, did you see the customer reviews on that drive?
23:09.27mindjujuhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337
23:09.48wpseek
23:10.39mindjujuwps - here's what Tom's has to say - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Seagate-Barracuda-1-5-TB,2032-2.html
23:10.56DexterTheDragonthere's always a bunch of great reviews and then some horrible revies
23:11.07beandogDexterTheDragon, well, half the reviews are usuaully becaus someone couldnt figure out how to plug it in
23:11.23mgearybah, the drobolator doesn't yet account for 1.5TB drives
23:11.24mgearyhttp://www.drobo.com/Products/drobolator.html
23:11.45DexterTheDragonoooo snap
23:13.15DexterTheDragonman if the WD Caviar Black 1TB came down in price...
23:13.39mindjujuwps, looks like toms is saying the IO performance has issues
23:13.56mindjujulast paragraph on that page
23:14.54wpsso they might not be as fast as you would want for a server, but that doesn't mean it's faulty
23:15.15DexterTheDragonnope
23:15.17wpsright? they are just saying that it's not the fastest? (opposed to something being wrong with it)
23:15.41DexterTheDragonyeah its in second place
23:15.53mindjujuright, not the fastest or efficent with power (runs hotter) but not bad
23:16.05beandogseagates run too hot for me
23:16.19wpsI have always been a Maxtor man
23:16.25wpsremind me who bought them
23:16.36mindjujui think though, that price is VERY compelling
23:17.07mindjujuthough, i think i'm going to wait a smidge longer before i buy
23:17.14wpsI LOVE my G-Drive
23:17.32wpsI wish I had the new Mac Pro instead of my Power Mac, so that I had four bays instead of just two
23:17.33mindjujui hate to sound like a vulture, but there have been several reports that came out recently that are scaring the retailers to death
23:17.45mindjujuhence, everybody starting Christmas sales early
23:17.58mindjujuWalmart had tvs and laptops on sale this morning i think it was
23:18.06beandogmindjuju, me too, Im kinda holding out for 2TB or bigger
23:18.16mindjujui'm going to wait for black friday and see what happens
23:18.19beandogthe waittime between 1TB and 1.5TB was really short.
23:18.19wpsmy wife really wants a wii
23:18.36_psychic_they're a lot of fun
23:18.38mindjujubut unemployment went higher than expected, 6.7% if i recall correctly
23:18.45_psychic_my 6 year old beats me at bowling occasionally
23:18.45mindjujutons of jobs being slashed
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23:18.55wpsI'd rather be outside
23:18.56mindjujumeans bad Christmas season for retailers
23:19.33wpsmindjuju, I thought you got a rebel a while back… no?
23:19.50mindjujusadly no, some expenses came up
23:19.59mindjujuand you know how it goes
23:20.23mindjuju:)
23:20.29wpsI'd donate $5 to the mindjuju camera fund
23:20.33mindjujufiscal solvency is how i get to bed at night
23:20.48mindjujui'd much more prefer being as close to 0 debt as possible
23:20.53_psychic_I'd rather be in Disneyland.
23:21.08wpszero debt is my goal, mindjuju
23:21.11_psychic_I'd rather not be in Disneyland.
23:21.12wpsmy only debt is my house
23:21.22itimberI'm out.... later guys
23:21.24wpsand with my new job, I set up my pay check to go to two accounts this time
23:21.40mindjujuwps, that's freakin' awesome!  We just have my wife's car to finish paying and the house, but no CC debt at all
23:21.43mindjujueverything else wiped out
23:21.46wpsone is a savings account that has no PIN so I can only access it in person at a branch
23:22.15beandogthat reminds me, its time to spend my weekly $300 on cartoon DVDs
23:22.28wpsbeandog… you seriously crack me up
23:22.33mindjujubeandog, what you buying this time?
23:22.49mindjujubeetlejuice?  real ghostbusters?
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23:22.57_psychic_thundercats
23:22.59beandogreal ghostbusters comes out next tuesday
23:23.03beandogsomething like $180 for the complete series
23:23.10mindjujureally?
23:23.12beandogyah
23:23.13mindjujuloved that show
23:23.16beandogbatman (the new series) is on sale.  Hmm.
23:24.01beandogoh thats right, Looney Tunes was on sale.
23:24.04beandogI was gonna get one
23:24.04mindjujuwell, if you see Teen Titans in tokyo let me know how much it is
23:24.12beandogI just got it the other week for like $10
23:24.19mindjujuyou a kidding
23:24.22beandognopies
23:24.31mindjujuman, i was thinking i would get that for Christmas
23:24.34beandog$10.99 right now.
23:24.35mindjujui might just might that now!
23:25.41beandogmindjuju, there goes your camera budget
23:26.03mindjujudag!
23:31.12beandogwhen theres trouble, you know who to call
23:31.20beandog*insert tween chinese girls here*
23:31.57mindjujujapanese actually
23:32.02mindjujuAFAIK
23:32.50beandogwhatever.
23:32.52beandogmindjuju, http://tinyurl.com/6qe8gt
23:33.04beandogt3h real ghostbusters
23:33.35beandogyah youre probably right, what was I thinking, chinese
23:34.04beandog$180 is a bit steep.
23:34.20beandogbut that is a really nice set.
23:34.50mindjuju25 DVDs?
23:34.52mindjujuwow!
23:35.33beandogmindjuju, I'll buy one for Christmas, and let you come over and look at it.
23:35.41mindjuju:)
23:36.40beandognow all we need is Jem and the Holograms: the Complete Series, and my life is complete.
23:37.02PoeticIntensityat least for the next 10 seconds, anyway... ;-)
23:37.11beandogheh
23:37.14PoeticIntensityI'm out.  Have a great weekend, guys.
23:37.15beandogPoeticIntensity knows me so well....
23:37.28mindjujui don't know about Jem
23:37.41mindjujui mean, i know what jem is
23:37.45mindjujubut...
23:38.17mindjujui might keep it if i were given the series as white elephant gift, but i'd never pay more than $2 for and that's my limit on gag gifts
23:38.30mindjujunow if it was the complete collection of gumby though
23:38.34beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgzZ2Ta0EpA
23:38.40beandogjem is truly outrageous!
23:38.59beandogI never understood how she had pink hair
23:38.59mindjujuany how, the misfits were better
23:39.14beandogI just now realized it could have been a wig.
23:40.01beandogoh man.
23:40.04mindjujubeandog - the original - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjEt8uUPbig
23:40.07beandogits like a train wreck.  I just can't look away, its so bad.
23:40.36mindjujuand they are WAY hotter
23:40.49beandogthan smurfette?
23:40.55mindjujuthan gem
23:40.58mindjujuerr jem
23:41.08beandogLOL oh my gosh this is horrible
23:41.22mindjujuhere is prime stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFDBW7Xgagg&NR=1
23:42.33beandogI have to admit, if this was on DVD, Id probably buy it
23:42.41mindjujujosie?
23:42.54beandogmindjuju, its gone :(  the fat albert one
23:42.57beandogmindjuju, no, jem
23:43.20mindjujuoh sure, fat albert, i'd buy
23:43.24mindjujubut after this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZiIOcvcxqg
23:43.38beandogoh I hated that show
23:44.17beandogoh my gosh
23:44.20beandogmindjuju, youve got to see this part
23:44.32mindjujuyou need to look for this show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGkvaIbcbkI
23:44.33beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz4QRB25DSI&NR=1
23:44.35beandogstart at 4:10
23:44.48beandogmindjuju, galaxy high is out
23:45.23mindjujucool!
23:45.28mindjujuk, i'm watching your show
23:45.32beandogIve never seen it, any good?
23:45.46mindjujugalaxy high?
23:45.48mindjujuway good
23:45.51beandogyah?
23:45.56beandogIve never even heard of it
23:46.26beandoghuh, looks cool
23:46.57mgeary~teach Jem that "me" is not a subject
23:46.58jbotACTION sits Jem down and forces Jem to learn to that "me" is not a subject, even if it takes 15 years
23:47.11mgearyit's a direct or indirect object
23:47.19mindjujuguitar motorcycles?
23:47.20mindjujuawesome!
23:47.28beandogheh
23:47.31beandogmindjuju, the complete series for $13
23:47.40mindjujucomplete series of what?
23:47.43beandogI guess it didnt run very long
23:47.43mindjujugalaxy high?
23:47.45beandogGalaxy High
23:47.55beandogRun Time: 325 minutes
23:48.26mindjujugot a URL?
23:48.35beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016K76WS?tag=tvshowsondvdcom&link_code=as2&creativeASIN=B0016K76WS&creative=374929&camp=211189
23:48.46mindjujudude i found it
23:48.52mindjujuone of the best cartoons of the 80s
23:48.59mindjujuhere ya go!  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEH7jTdxP_8
23:49.06mindjujuyou HAVE to watch it all
23:49.13beandogrock n wrestling?
23:49.17beandogoh ........................... no
23:49.24mindjujuyou know you watched it
23:49.28mindjujui LOVED this cartoon
23:49.30beandogwhat the crap
23:49.35beandogIve never heard of it
23:49.43mindjujureally?
23:49.57beandoglol
23:49.59mindjujuit was the WWF wrestlers and some were good and others bad
23:50.01mindjujuway cool
23:50.01beandoglook at the city crowds for Hulk
23:50.23beandogThere was a Mister T show?????????????
23:50.28beandogoh my gosh
23:50.29mindjujurowdy roddy piper was bad guy
23:50.30beandogI totally remember this
23:50.45mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu9TbilwhOw&NR=1
23:51.03mindjujunever saw Mr T
23:51.03beandogoh *man*
23:51.03beandogI totally *loved* this show
23:51.40mindjujubeandog, you got to watch part of that link i sent ya
23:51.55beandogsec
23:51.55mindjujuthis cartoon is teh best!
23:52.05beandogman
23:52.09beandognothing compared to 80s cartoons.
23:52.12beandogcompares
23:52.18beandogit was the golden age
23:52.59beandogmindjuju, lol eye of the tiger
23:52.59beandograwk
23:53.20mindjuju80s cartoons had the best sound effects
23:55.27mindjujubeandog, before you go back to jem, you shoud watch one of the best cartoons of ALL TIME - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKeE3saeguY
23:55.41beandogoh man
23:55.51beandogsec, phone
23:56.35mindjujuman, they should release this series - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI0FbYe3lRE&NR=1
23:59.07beandogmindjuju, it is
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