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| 01:39.21 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 01:44.37 | beandog | mindjuju: hola |
| 01:44.45 | beandog | just ... looking for something to do |
| 01:45.37 | mindjuju | i got some weeds that need pulling |
| 01:47.30 | beandog | too cold outside |
| 02:06.41 | unum | you could have gone to a sllug meeting |
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| 02:07.22 | carmony_ | hey |
| 02:07.27 | unum | hi |
| 02:11.52 | carmony_ | So, I have question. I have an SVN server and several web servers. I'd like to use the SVN server to manage all the content on the different web servers. However, I'd like to be able to issue commands from the SVN server to execute a "SVN Update" on the web servers. Any ideas to how to do it? |
| 02:12.10 | unum | hook |
| 02:12.30 | unum | but that runs it after an update |
| 02:13.05 | unum | but if you have a production branch that should be ok |
| 02:13.09 | carmony_ | I know how to do the hook. How can I issue an "svn update" to each of the individual web servers? |
| 02:14.09 | unum | depends on what you mean by svn serever |
| 02:14.13 | unum | server |
| 02:14.35 | unum | you could do ssh magic |
| 02:14.46 | unum | and a shell script |
| 02:15.15 | carmony_ | Yeah, its the ssh magic I need pointed in the correct direction |
| 02:15.29 | unum | ah |
| 02:19.42 | unum | hmm couldn't find the option to run a remote command and exit |
| 02:19.56 | unum | maybe ti's called by a different name |
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| 02:25.03 | mindjuju | tierra might know |
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| 02:29.37 | mindjuju | tierra |
| 02:29.37 | mindjuju | you around? |
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| 02:40.38 | tierra | kinda, but I have lots of guests over, so I'll be on and off tonight |
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| 03:46.34 | mindjuju | is that tinkers with or tinkles on ? |
| 03:47.31 | carmony_ | lol, tinkers with |
| 03:48.50 | carmony_ | I'm trying to have a server that hosts my svn repositories communicate with web servers to update content. |
| 03:50.27 | mindjuju | oh yeah, remember your question |
| 03:50.29 | carmony_ | when I was talking to the guy in charge of wordpress.com's infrastructure, they do it all through SVN |
| 03:51.00 | mindjuju | is that at the wordcamp a couple weeks ago? |
| 03:51.38 | mindjuju | why not ask josephscott to see fi he knows how it was done, or ask tierra in the morning, provided you don't find it through google or expirimentation ? |
| 03:54.24 | carmony_ | naw, I was at the LT Pact 08 this summer |
| 03:54.49 | carmony_ | talked to Matt and Berry |
| 03:55.14 | carmony_ | does josephscott work for wordpress, or just volunteer? |
| 03:55.38 | mindjuju | works for Automattics, parent company of wordpress |
| 03:55.45 | mindjuju | where Matt works |
| 03:56.41 | carmony_ | thats cool :) |
| 04:01.16 | carmony_ | so you're on kinda late |
| 04:02.26 | mindjuju | yeah, doing contract work to build a financial buffer |
| 04:02.44 | carmony_ | LOL, financial buffers are good |
| 04:02.45 | mindjuju | who knows what tomorrow brings |
| 04:04.07 | mindjuju | they've slashed away all the IT people they can, it's just (IT:Internet) and the other guy (IT:Internal) we're both needed and both can't cover the other man's tasks |
| 04:04.18 | mindjuju | too much too do / no skill set |
| 04:04.31 | mindjuju | like, i can't manage the phone systems, he can't code |
| 04:04.51 | mindjuju | but, everybody is still concerned, 2 waves of layoffs will do that |
| 04:22.13 | carmony_ | yeah.... |
| 04:22.31 | carmony_ | Kinda glade I'm the only guy at my job atm :) developer I should say |
| 04:23.32 | carmony_ | My boss told me "we'll cut every other expense before we cut your salary." |
| 04:23.34 | mindjuju | :) |
| 04:24.14 | carmony_ | party because its an internet business |
| 04:24.20 | carmony_ | so without me nothing new gets done :) |
| 04:24.58 | mindjuju | yeah, we're web centric too, but have one very exposed Achilles heel right now |
| 04:25.07 | mindjuju | our clients are financial advisors |
| 04:25.14 | carmony_ | ouch |
| 04:25.35 | carmony_ | we had investors back out the day of wall streets first big hit |
| 04:25.52 | mindjuju | yeah, hunting season for those guys, by both the wirehouses (like merrill lynch), and from thier clients |
| 04:26.54 | mindjuju | but you know know, we've taken every cent we've got and thrown it at saving and food storage |
| 04:27.09 | mindjuju | and everything is cinched back as far as it'll go |
| 04:27.16 | mindjuju | so..., will see |
| 04:28.26 | carmony_ | I know for a fact if I lost my job today my old job would hire me back in a second. I just don't want to work there ;) |
| 04:28.44 | mindjuju | heh |
| 04:29.10 | carmony_ | so whats it like running a PHP user group? |
| 04:29.27 | mindjuju | lots of work |
| 04:29.48 | mindjuju | calling speakers, setup for meets, setting up geek lunches |
| 04:29.53 | mindjuju | but fun too |
| 04:30.26 | mindjuju | just in case |
| 04:30.54 | carmony_ | lol, that has come in handy already for me :) |
| 04:31.18 | mindjuju | so like today when you were asking about svn, knew to mention tierra, security questions go to dataw0lf, debug / cake - dexterthedragon |
| 04:31.33 | mindjuju | sysadmin - fungus, thebigdog,herlo |
| 04:31.45 | mindjuju | asterisk - jsmith, utah_dave |
| 04:31.52 | mindjuju | CSS - wps |
| 04:32.19 | carmony_ | heh, its like having your own support group :) |
| 04:32.21 | mindjuju | pgsql - thebigdog, poeticintensity, eggyknap, josephscott |
| 04:32.27 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 04:33.11 | mindjuju | but let me not take all the credit, though |
| 04:33.16 | carmony_ | I met itimber today, he is a pretty good guy |
| 04:33.20 | mindjuju | everybody pitches in, in their own way |
| 04:33.26 | mindjuju | yeah, itimber is a hoot |
| 04:33.40 | mindjuju | i keep forgetting he runs his own business |
| 04:35.07 | carmony_ | yeah. Its nice because before uphpu, I basically had my coding partner Eric, who is fantastic but not always available, and #php for help. That is it |
| 04:35.16 | carmony_ | I've found I've kinda out grown #php |
| 04:35.52 | wps | mindjuju: how'd the Adobe meeting go? |
| 04:35.52 | carmony_ | cause most of my questions are more complex, and it seems the people there require I explain every detail why I want to do something before they considering telling me how to do so ;) |
| 04:36.09 | mindjuju | wps, it went well! excellent speaker |
| 04:36.23 | mindjuju | we only had 15 show, but several were first time they showed pu |
| 04:36.27 | mindjuju | so, that's cool |
| 04:36.37 | wps | cool |
| 04:36.45 | wps | as always, wish I could have been there |
| 04:36.48 | mindjuju | and we got some swag |
| 04:37.06 | mindjuju | how's the new job? |
| 04:37.32 | wps | still getting settled in, but it's going well |
| 04:38.13 | wps | a big change |
| 04:38.26 | mindjuju | hand coding everything, etc |
| 04:41.09 | carmony_ | mindjuju: here is a question, what can a php user group member do to help out around here ;) |
| 04:42.02 | mindjuju | well your openChronicle project is a good start |
| 04:42.08 | wps | write articles for the website |
| 04:42.10 | mindjuju | get people thinking about new ways of doing things |
| 04:42.14 | mindjuju | yup, writing articles |
| 04:42.57 | carmony_ | so if I write an article on my blog, I should just let you know to feel free to copy it over? :) |
| 04:43.26 | mindjuju | that's one way, another is to post it to uphpu.org |
| 04:43.37 | carmony_ | I can do that? |
| 04:43.44 | wps | if you log into the website, you can paste it yourself |
| 04:45.11 | mindjuju | so carmony_ if you hit this link, you'll see some of the things that ray has posted - http://uphpu.org/author/bigdog/ |
| 04:46.45 | wps | once you're logged in, this is the page to post: http://uphpu.org/contribute/ |
| 04:48.45 | wps | I iwsh this King Size Hershey's Milk Chocolate bar would quit starring at me |
| 04:48.59 | carmony_ | lol |
| 04:49.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 04:49.07 | carmony_ | thanks for the link :) |
| 04:49.19 | wps | I bought it for my neighbor, but I'm having a hard time not eating it myself |
| 04:49.39 | carmony_ | you're a nice neighbor? would you be my neighbor? |
| 04:50.06 | wps | what's a niside? |
| 04:50.48 | mindjuju | misspelling, meant to say that i have a bag of broc and cali and that's it |
| 04:50.54 | mindjuju | niside means inside |
| 04:50.57 | mindjuju | but misspelled |
| 04:52.51 | mindjuju | yeah, MSN mess is not your friend |
| 04:53.36 | mindjuju | is there an install for other OSs or did you do it in a virtual machine? |
| 04:53.47 | wps | the is a Mac client |
| 04:53.58 | wps | s/the/there/ |
| 04:55.23 | wps | I wish there was a web interface where you could log in and manage your contact list |
| 04:55.56 | carmony_ | meebo.com can't do it? |
| 04:56.49 | wps | hmmâ¦Â not sure |
| 04:56.58 | wps | this is the first I've heard of meebo |
| 04:57.11 | carmony_ | :o |
| 04:57.25 | carmony_ | its the only instant messaging system I use |
| 04:57.42 | carmony_ | yeah |
| 04:57.56 | carmony_ | but meebo should allow you to fix your contact list issue |
| 04:59.19 | carmony_ | meebo kept me sane through my information systems & technology class ;) |
| 05:05.03 | mindjuju | one of the best thigns to write about is some new technique you just learned about |
| 05:05.36 | mindjuju | helps others to know it too, and you'll find a guru read it and possibly help you extend it further, or make it more efficent |
| 05:14.41 | carmony_ | hrm, one of the cool things I've made with jQuery was a chatwall that works as a live chat |
| 05:14.55 | carmony_ | maybe I'll write an article on that :) |
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| 14:40.46 | jsmith | carmony: http://www.depesz.com/index.php/2008/10/23/is-there-any-good-versioning-package-for-database-schema-andor-data/ |
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| 15:00.07 | PoeticIntensity | I found an interesting AJAX bug the other day... |
| 15:00.42 | PoeticIntensity | which, of course, only presents itself in IE. (I guess that makes the bug an IE but, not an AJAX bug) |
| 15:00.55 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=view_entry&eid=4182 |
| 15:06.44 | josephscott | PoeticIntensity: this is one of the reasons you'll find many folks use POST request for all XHR's |
| 15:07.28 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 15:07.44 | PoeticIntensity | The random character seems to have worked quite efficiently, as well. |
| 15:08.13 | josephscott | there are a couple different techniques for cache busting like that |
| 15:08.21 | josephscott | one is to use the last modified date of the file |
| 15:08.29 | josephscott | another is to just use a counter |
| 15:08.37 | PoeticIntensity | sounds good. |
| 15:08.45 | josephscott | those are both common for things like JS and CSS files that get heavily cached |
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| 15:17.50 | mgeary | so, i finally (finally!) took the opportunity to begin in earnest my first real django project yesterday |
| 15:18.00 | mgeary | went like a dream |
| 15:18.37 | mgeary | python is just such a nice language to work in |
| 15:18.43 | carmony | good morning. :) |
| 15:18.44 | carmony | niec |
| 15:18.46 | carmony | nice |
| 15:18.56 | mgeary | and django does so much for you, without taking away your freedom & flexibility |
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| 15:19.30 | _psychic_ | I stopped when I learned I had to use a template language. |
| 15:19.33 | _psychic_ | I hate those. |
| 15:19.41 | mgeary | i love 'em |
| 15:20.06 | mgeary | helps reinforce the distinction between display logic and app logic |
| 15:20.38 | _psychic_ | it adds bulk, and is just one more thing to learn - it's pointless. |
| 15:21.07 | mgeary | ...iyho |
| 15:21.20 | _psychic_ | the last part |
| 15:21.25 | _psychic_ | but not the first two |
| 15:21.29 | _psychic_ | It's like a trip back to Smarty land. |
| 15:21.30 | mgeary | doesn't add any bulk |
| 15:21.33 | mgeary | Smarty rocks |
| 15:21.37 | _psychic_ | something's got to parse it |
| 15:21.56 | mgeary | that's never, ever going to be your bottleneck |
| 15:22.06 | mgeary | 'sides both smarty and django have a caching mechanism |
| 15:23.18 | _psychic_ | So is that the main reason people do that? Just to reinforce layer separation? |
| 15:23.44 | _psychic_ | Just makes me wonder why when you've got a full language at your fingertips, and you purposely cripple it in the views and make up your own. |
| 15:24.03 | mgeary | well, it's a big factor for me. As far as i'm concerned, if you find yourself writing "real" code in your templates, you've very possibly got a design flaw |
| 15:24.25 | mgeary | besides, neither django nor smarty *prevent* you from writing "real" code in templates |
| 15:24.41 | _psychic_ | they also don't prevent me from robbing banks |
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| 15:24.48 | _psychic_ | the point is it's the way they want you to do things |
| 15:25.01 | _psychic_ | and code is code |
| 15:25.10 | _psychic_ | Why add another layer of complexity? |
| 15:25.23 | _psychic_ | Especially if you can't stop people from breaking the rules you're trying to protect? |
| 15:25.44 | mgeary | why use OOP instead of procedural code? you're just adding a layer of complexity |
| 15:25.53 | _psychic_ | Why not write controllers in some sort of non-python business language that gets parsed by Django? |
| 15:26.15 | _psychic_ | mgeary: that's apples and oranges |
| 15:26.42 | mgeary | i don't think so. both are techniques used to organize projects and simplify management and maintenance |
| 15:26.47 | _psychic_ | I mean, that way you really have a good distinction between controller and view code |
| 15:27.19 | _psychic_ | OOP is a completely different way at looking at a problem |
| 15:27.24 | _psychic_ | than procedural |
| 15:28.01 | _psychic_ | But I suppose it works just as well - why would you jumble up different styles and langauges in a single project? |
| 15:28.26 | mgeary | because it does the job best for you |
| 15:28.52 | _psychic_ | yeah but mixed deployments suck |
| 15:28.59 | _psychic_ | why not write the view layer in php, then? |
| 15:29.38 | _psychic_ | And is the django template language better than Python? |
| 15:29.44 | _psychic_ | I felt hampered by it. |
| 15:30.19 | mgeary | i don't really care if you use it or not. i find it elegant and intuitive. |
| 15:30.38 | _psychic_ | Nor do I, I find it an incorrect way to approach things. |
| 15:32.00 | mgeary | and i don't |
| 15:32.10 | _psychic_ | No need to get sore. |
| 15:32.22 | _psychic_ | Just trying to understand why people do it. |
| 15:32.30 | _psychic_ | I always thought it was wrong (and still do). |
| 15:32.47 | mgeary | i'm not sore. it's just apparent that we have different philosophies about the role and execution of a view layer |
| 15:32.51 | mgeary | fine by me |
| 15:38.07 | tonedevf | i suppose a few people must think templating languages are good... there's so darn many of them |
| 15:40.34 | _psychic_ | I just don't understand what advantage you're getting by not using the language you're already using. |
| 15:40.35 | fungus | _psychic_: I agree with you about the template languages in PHP websites. |
| 15:40.43 | fungus | PHP is already a great template language too. |
| 15:41.08 | fungus | However, in Python, it doesn't lend itself well to templating, so a template language may be necessary. |
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| 15:41.35 | carmony | lol, there is my wife on my laptop :P |
| 15:41.59 | tonedevf | true, PHP, and maybe ASP classic are interesting cases where the language was born in the view layer |
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| 15:47.16 | dataw0lf | and DSLs in general, usually (which is why they're created), are more suitable for the task at hand |
| 15:47.38 | dataw0lf | templating, testing, configuration, etc, etc |
| 15:48.26 | dataw0lf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Specific_Language |
| 15:49.00 | _psychic_ | So in the case of python, it's not good for presentational logic in templates? |
| 15:49.47 | dataw0lf | of course it isn't. |
| 15:50.47 | dataw0lf | because you use PHP, you may not understand this, too, but modern languages generally have more than a syntax that binds them together. A paradigm, a theory of thought behind them. This makes it easier to adopt DSLs that use that particular theory. Syntax isn't as important, in Python, and notably, Ruby and Smalltalk, as the paradigm involved. |
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| 15:51.23 | _psychic_ | "because you use php" haha |
| 15:51.33 | dataw0lf | So, paradoxically, a DSL (a template language), while it may not use the same syntax as Python, may be more paradigm orientated than doing it in Python itself. |
| 15:51.42 | dataw0lf | well PHP has no overarcing paradigm. |
| 15:51.49 | dataw0lf | that's not arguable. |
| 15:51.55 | _psychic_ | I just don't remember having this much of a problem when I've used Java or Ruby. |
| 15:53.57 | dataw0lf | I don't remember ever having an issue adopting a *good*, language specific paradigm orientated, template in either of those languages, either. Since a good one seems intuitive due to the direction and point of the language. |
| 15:55.12 | _psychic_ | Yeah, I must have been using a bad, meant for something else way of doing things. :) |
| 15:55.48 | dataw0lf | they're certainly out there. |
| 15:55.52 | _psychic_ | I can see using a template language if the parent language just makes it a pain to put native calls right in view layer templates. |
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| 16:01.47 | mgeary | you know, "hate" just doesn't even begin to describe my feelings about IE |
| 16:02.27 | carmony | mgeary: amen! |
| 16:02.36 | josephscott | mgeary: give into your hate, then IE will be your new master! |
| 16:02.58 | tonedevf | i dig PHP and it's paradigm-less-ness. lately i've found it nice to write shell scripts in PHP rather than in bash |
| 16:04.01 | mgeary | debugging javascript in IE is even worse than doing email tech support |
| 16:05.39 | carmony | thats why I use jquery! |
| 16:05.40 | carmony | ;) |
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| 16:13.03 | carmony | mindjuju, you here? |
| 16:13.22 | mindjuju | yup, what up |
| 16:13.40 | carmony | curse you and your techno.... :P I keep finding myself listening to it now! |
| 16:13.49 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:13.57 | mindjuju | it be synic 's fault |
| 16:18.52 | josephscott | http://www.informationsociety.us/2008/10/22/327/ |
| 16:22.31 | josephscott | and now mindjuju will be spending the next 30 minutes watching insoc concert videos |
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| 16:36.26 | mindjuju | thx for the heads up on that josephscott, listening to the concert now |
| 16:38.10 | carmony | hrm.. |
| 16:43.50 | SunSparc | Ok boys. (carmony, mindjuju) See if you can hit this: http://games.mediarain.com/ |
| 16:44.22 | carmony | nope :( |
| 16:44.50 | mindjuju | but the webpage does come up |
| 16:45.07 | carmony | it didn't come up for me |
| 16:45.11 | mgeary | it comes up for me, but it took a while |
| 16:45.12 | mindjuju | ah, but looks like tf2 isn't online |
| 16:45.20 | mindjuju | same for me, took a while |
| 16:45.27 | carmony | sounds like a bad nic |
| 16:45.33 | dataw0lf | works for me |
| 16:45.42 | SunSparc | Oh good |
| 16:45.52 | SunSparc | carmony: I wonder why you cannot see it. |
| 16:46.04 | itimber | morning guys |
| 16:46.23 | SunSparc | itimber: |
| 16:46.24 | carmony | weird.... |
| 16:46.32 | carmony | My linux server could see it |
| 16:46.42 | SunSparc | carmony: try 173.8.91.189 |
| 16:47.18 | carmony | let me try from my iphone :) |
| 16:48.25 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:48.40 | dataw0lf | tonedevf: I think you mistook what I meant by 'paradigm'-less. And writing a shell script in PHP is like a horror movie by Monty Python. |
| 16:48.59 | carmony | hrm, I can tracert it... |
| 16:49.00 | tonedevf | don't worry, i didn't mistook |
| 16:49.05 | carmony | you're using comcast business? |
| 16:49.15 | carmony | I wonder if it has something to do with me being on comcast |
| 16:49.50 | carmony | let me try restarting my router :) |
| 16:50.11 | SunSparc | ~lart comcast |
| 16:50.11 | jbot | slaps a compatible dib on comcast's head |
| 16:51.48 | mindjuju | want to finish around lunch time? |
| 16:52.42 | dataw0lf | I wasn't angry, I just want you to stick to what you said and show how the 3 points I made were lies or how I was misrepresenting them. |
| 16:53.15 | mindjuju | fair enough, you still interested, does lunch work? |
| 16:53.34 | dataw0lf | might have an interview, lemme check my calendar. |
| 16:53.41 | carmony | SunSparc, I can see the webpage... :) |
| 16:53.50 | mindjuju | k, let me know |
| 16:53.57 | dataw0lf | yea I should be around at lunch |
| 16:54.38 | mindjuju | k |
| 16:55.28 | carmony | I could connect :) |
| 16:56.20 | SunSparc | carmony: Woot! |
| 16:56.26 | SunSparc | We will see how long it lasts. |
| 16:56.36 | SunSparc | Today at 1700. Be there. |
| 16:56.48 | carmony | will do :) |
| 17:04.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:08.04 | dataw0lf | BFG 9000* |
| 17:08.23 | carmony | its 9000? huh, I must be rusty on my doom ;) |
| 17:08.24 | dataw0lf | better be dual wielding those if you run into me in CoD 4... |
| 17:09.07 | SunSparc | heh |
| 17:10.13 | dataw0lf | 78 1st place free-for-all wins in a row online... just sayin' |
| 17:10.26 | _psychic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.28 | SunSparc | Wow! |
| 17:10.34 | dataw0lf | Nah 360 |
| 17:10.46 | mgeary | ~give dataw0lf 3 kids and watch how his life changes |
| 17:10.46 | jbot | ACTION gives 3 kids and watch how his life changes to dataw0lf |
| 17:10.51 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:10.59 | dataw0lf | I don't even play that often. |
| 17:11.05 | dataw0lf | 4 hours a week nowadays, maybe. |
| 17:11.19 | dataw0lf | and I use protection so 3 kids is a pretty far-fetched idea. |
| 17:11.27 | SunSparc | "It's not my fault, being the biggest and the strongest. I don't even exercise." |
| 17:11.51 | dataw0lf | well not trying to say I didn't play often, SunSparc ;-) |
| 17:12.10 | SunSparc | Heh, I know. Just reminded me of Andre the Giant. |
| 17:12.12 | dataw0lf | I think I have something like 20 days worth of hours clocked on Call of Duty 4 online. |
| 17:12.56 | SunSparc | Not bad. I will probably get that in a couple years if I keep at it. |
| 17:12.58 | dataw0lf | but now I just play clan matches, not all willy-nilly TDM and FFA like I used to do. |
| 17:13.48 | dataw0lf | trying to get your kill / death ratio up when you have a total of 70,000 kills is a PITA, though. |
| 17:14.11 | dataw0lf | especially when you're playing against all clan members. :\. Maybe I should start playing FFA so I can get my ratio back up |
| 17:14.13 | SunSparc | Yeah, I can imagine |
| 17:14.42 | dataw0lf | what perk set you using nowadays, SunSparc? |
| 17:15.47 | SunSparc | Let me remember... |
| 17:15.59 | SunSparc | Overkill, Steady Aim, and ... |
| 17:16.16 | dataw0lf | ah what weapons you using with overkill? |
| 17:16.27 | SunSparc | MP5, currently |
| 17:16.37 | dataw0lf | what's the second, though? |
| 17:16.38 | SunSparc | M16 is my main |
| 17:16.40 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 17:16.54 | dataw0lf | I can't use the M16, it's frowned upon |
| 17:17.07 | SunSparc | Why is that? |
| 17:17.18 | dataw0lf | I'm using M4 + stopping power + steady aim + x3 frags, or the AK47 with the same perks, or the MP5 with the same perks |
| 17:17.22 | dataw0lf | M16 is overpowered. |
| 17:17.43 | SunSparc | Yeah, I guess that i why I love the M16. Best gun in my opinion. |
| 17:17.54 | dataw0lf | well of course it's the best gun unless you're on a short range map |
| 17:18.02 | SunSparc | Although I have seen that M4 and it looks good too. |
| 17:18.03 | dataw0lf | that thing is ridiculous. |
| 17:18.17 | dataw0lf | yea M4 isn't OMG-UBER-ACCURATE |
| 17:18.20 | SunSparc | Yeah, it rocks. No wonder our military still uses it. |
| 17:18.25 | dataw0lf | but it's still a great well rounded weapon. |
| 17:18.44 | dataw0lf | Well the M4 has deprecated the M16 in real life. |
| 17:18.55 | SunSparc | Has it? |
| 17:18.59 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 17:19.23 | dataw0lf | I only shot an M16 when I was training national guard who hadn't switched to the M4 yet. |
| 17:19.23 | SunSparc | How have they upgraded it? |
| 17:19.35 | dataw0lf | what do you mean? |
| 17:19.55 | SunSparc | I mean, what does the M4 have over the M16? |
| 17:20.08 | dataw0lf | the majority of our forces are engaged in force protection and urban warfare, which the M4 is better for |
| 17:20.47 | dataw0lf | the M4 is lighter, it has automatic fire, it doesn't jam nearly as easily, the range is almost comparable, and the accuracy (in my opinion) is better at 250 meters or closer |
| 17:20.58 | dataw0lf | (and most others opinions, for that matter) |
| 17:21.15 | dataw0lf | thus why it's used for urban warfare and force protection. It's more flexible, in general. |
| 17:21.21 | SunSparc | So, just all around a more improved weapon |
| 17:21.36 | dataw0lf | essentially. |
| 17:21.55 | SunSparc | I wish I could switch from 3 shot burst to full on the M16 in cod4 |
| 17:22.24 | SunSparc | Although, the 3 shot helps me conserve ammo, while giving a good spread |
| 17:22.31 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't expect the M16 to get _better_ in CoD 4. There's been a lot of talk about another rebalancing patch. |
| 17:23.07 | SunSparc | Yeah, well it is probably time for me to start getting better familiar with other rifles anyway. |
| 17:23.13 | _psychic_ | m4++ |
| 17:23.22 | _psychic_ | p90 is a bit overpowered too, imho |
| 17:23.38 | _psychic_ | doens't penetrate much, but lots of ammo and not too much recoil |
| 17:23.45 | dataw0lf | yup. P90 is frowned upon in our league too. They haven't outright banned it for some game types like the M16, but definitely overpowered. |
| 17:23.55 | SunSparc | The p90 is nice, but I miss the accuracy of the M16 when I use the p90 |
| 17:24.13 | _psychic_ | good for suppressive fire |
| 17:24.13 | dataw0lf | it's rate of fire, damage, and lack of recoil makes it the best sub machine gun to put a red dot on. |
| 17:24.21 | dataw0lf | but MP5 is best for sound suppression. |
| 17:24.24 | SunSparc | We played explosives and knives only the other night. That was fun. |
| 17:24.43 | dataw0lf | my best all-around weapon is probably the grenade. I can do some ridiculous things with them. |
| 17:24.53 | _psychic_ | I love nades |
| 17:25.05 | _psychic_ | I started using sonic boom just to see if it helped much |
| 17:25.22 | dataw0lf | sonic boom is useful for matches like headquarters and domination |
| 17:25.31 | SunSparc | _psychic_: what's your verdict on sonic boom? |
| 17:25.52 | _psychic_ | you know how sometimes you can get hit with the splash and live? |
| 17:25.58 | _psychic_ | I think SB almost eliminates that |
| 17:25.59 | SunSparc | _psychic_ is sick on the nades. He is really good with them |
| 17:30.18 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: I would invite you to hop on a pc and play with us, but I think it would take all of us against you to make a fair game. ;) |
| 17:30.32 | _psychic_ | bah |
| 17:30.38 | _psychic_ | we have some decent players |
| 17:30.46 | SunSparc | True, we do |
| 17:30.51 | mgeary | ~noogie dataw0lf |
| 17:30.52 | jbot | ACTION puts dataw0lf into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of dataw0lf's hair off! |
| 17:31.16 | SunSparc | And I would say that most of us are getting better. |
| 17:38.22 | carmony | I dunno why, but the MP5 on xbox is really good, but I don't like it nearly as much on PC |
| 17:39.56 | SunSparc | I am amazed with the Scorpion. For a little gun it has some pretty good range. |
| 17:42.33 | macnewbold | anyone in here do much with Drupal? |
| 17:50.47 | mgeary | ~lart macnewbold for bringing up something remotely on-topic |
| 17:50.47 | jbot | beats macnewbold senseless with a 50lb Unix manual for bringing up something remotely on-topic |
| 17:51.22 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mgeary for using an on topic lart |
| 17:51.22 | jbot | nabs the moon and broadsides mgeary with the sea of tranquility for using an on topic lart |
| 17:52.09 | mgeary | touché |
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| 17:57.11 | mindjuju | heya carmony_ , did you ever get an answer on your SVN question? |
| 18:01.00 | carmony | mindjuju, yup |
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| 19:11.06 | Jacob_Kerr | Good afternoon everybody! |
| 19:16.28 | mgeary | heya |
| 19:28.06 | mgeary | right on |
| 19:30.59 | DexterTheDragon | Leonard Cohen |
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| 20:52.33 | carmony | yay for computer freezes! |
| 20:56.35 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mgeary] by ChanServ |
| 20:57.48 | DexterTheDragon | so carmony can experiance computer freezes with a beachball of death? |
| 20:58.07 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify DexterTheDragon |
| 20:58.07 | jbot | ACTION drags DexterTheDragon by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until DexterTheDragons eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 20:58.46 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: The beachball is much more appealing than the lame hourglass. |
| 20:58.53 | DexterTheDragon | glazed over from the lameness |
| 20:59.03 | mindjuju | nice |
| 20:59.18 | DexterTheDragon | cause computer freezes are better when they're pretty? |
| 20:59.33 | carmony | lol, I own a MacBook Pro mgeary ;) |
| 20:59.41 | mindjuju | alls i can say is, i haven't had to teach an internet user how to download a file from the internet in at least 10 years, until 2 days ago, when I had to teach a mac user |
| 20:59.42 | DexterTheDragon | oh snap |
| 20:59.55 | carmony | but it was my PC that froze |
| 20:59.58 | carmony | first time in months |
| 21:03.54 | unum | http://bash.org/?831285 |
| 21:04.14 | unum | I was going to say something about your PC freezing but then I remember that |
| 21:04.46 | DexterTheDragon | lol |
| 21:05.06 | carmony | haha |
| 21:05.09 | carmony | thats funny |
| 21:11.17 | carmony | anyone here use FirePHP? |
| 21:12.18 | SunSparc | Hmm, a Firefox plugin. Cool. |
| 21:12.37 | SunSparc | I have not. I have used Firebug |
| 21:13.20 | DexterTheDragon | I tried out FirePHP way back when |
| 21:17.22 | carmony | it basically is an extension of FireBug |
| 21:17.34 | carmony | which allows you to send debug info in the headers |
| 21:18.30 | dataw0lf | I've never had either my macbook or my mac pro freeze on me. Ever. |
| 21:18.36 | dataw0lf | PEBKAC? |
| 21:19.56 | carmony | PEBKAC? |
| 21:21.20 | dataw0lf | problem exists between keyboard and chair. |
| 21:21.31 | carmony | lol, maybe. |
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| 22:47.32 | mgeary | have i mentioned lately how much i dislike GoDaddy's new interface? |
| 22:47.45 | mgeary | 'cause if anyone's unsure of my position.... |
| 22:48.07 | carmony | lol |
| 22:48.08 | carmony | amen |
| 22:48.42 | macnewbold | ~seen swb |
| 22:48.44 | jbot | swb <n=swb@216.130.235.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 10d 7h 17m 22s ago, saying: 'is SunSparc with mediarain?'. |
| 22:52.31 | SunSparc | Whoa! Look at the time. |
| 22:54.07 | SunSparc | see you in the Matrix, carmony... |
| 22:55.44 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
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| 23:21.46 | PoeticIntensity | anyone left in here who knows about character encoding and UTF-8 errors in Postgresql? |
| 23:22.57 | jnbek | aside from migrating 7.x dbs to 8.x no |
| 23:23.03 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, ? ^^^ |
| 23:23.07 | PoeticIntensity | herm.... |
| 23:23.44 | jnbek | what kind of utf-8 errors in postgres? |
| 23:25.23 | PoeticIntensity | umm... |
| 23:25.24 | PoeticIntensity | hold on |
| 23:25.38 | PoeticIntensity | Query failed: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xae HINT: This error can also happen if the byte sequence does not match the encoding expected by the server, which is controlled by "client_encoding" |
| 23:25.57 | jnbek | ok |
| 23:26.32 | PoeticIntensity | I'm importing data from Oracle into Postgres... |
| 23:26.37 | jnbek | dump it to .sql then execute: iconv -c -f UTF-8 -t UTF-8 -o cleanfile.sql thedump.sql |
| 23:26.51 | jnbek | then import to postgres |
| 23:26.51 | PoeticIntensity | and there's a character in there........ hmmm.... okay. |
| 23:27.12 | PoeticIntensity | I'll give that a try... |
| 23:27.23 | jnbek | the invalid byte sequence error is the same as the 7.x to 8.x problem |
| 23:27.41 | PoeticIntensity | very interesting... |
| 23:27.48 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I didn't know that program existed.. |
| 23:27.56 | jnbek | :) |
| 23:29.47 | PoeticIntensity | working on it now... |
| 23:35.15 | PoeticIntensity | huh.... |
| 23:35.18 | PoeticIntensity | interesting.. |
| 23:35.47 | PoeticIntensity | in preparing the script, I made it output a huge single insert sql line with multiple inserts... |
| 23:36.03 | PoeticIntensity | copied it from the browser output, and plugged it into phppgadmin. |
| 23:36.11 | PoeticIntensity | it handled the characters with no problem. |
| 23:36.26 | PoeticIntensity | this leads me to suspect that the problem is with PHP's handling of the encoding... |
| 23:36.33 | PoeticIntensity | (character encoding) |
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| 23:59.00 | jnbek | PoeticIntensity: hmm, i've not looked at it from that angle, interesting |
| 23:59.29 | PoeticIntensity | more googling led to an answer... |
| 23:59.45 | PoeticIntensity | the pg_set_client_encoding command... |