| 00:11.28 | mindjuju | you still around thebigdog |
| 00:11.38 | thebigdog | y |
| 00:11.55 | mindjuju | have a java question, from a friend, i think it's easy |
| 00:11.59 | mindjuju | can you take a look? |
| 00:13.49 | thebigdog | yes |
| 00:14.08 | thebigdog | email or pm it to me |
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| 14:03.22 | carmony | Good morning |
| 14:03.37 | jsmith | G'morning |
| 14:04.09 | SunSparc | ditto |
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| 14:05.07 | carmony | Everytime I see SunSparc enter the channel, I hear Optimus Prime's voice in my head annoucing his entry... |
| 14:05.16 | SunSparc | heh |
| 14:08.39 | SunSparc | Dang, that Optimus Prime message is not working anymore: http://optimus.transformersmovie.com/ |
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| 14:57.07 | itimber | morning guys |
| 14:57.20 | cro | to tim |
| 14:57.25 | cro | yo tim I mean |
| 14:57.43 | carmony | hey itimber |
| 14:58.02 | itimber | sup cro, carmony |
| 14:58.57 | carmony | itimber, you want to do lunch either today or tomorrow? The wife is down in Provo doing a financial audit so I have to fend for myself :) |
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| 15:01.42 | itimber | 1 sec... in mtg |
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| 15:03.24 | carmony | app start cn_db |
| 15:03.40 | carmony | whoops, that was meant for shell ;) |
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| 15:15.19 | mgeary | hey, anyone here have a Yahoo IM account? |
| 15:15.39 | carmony | I do, never really on it, why? |
| 15:15.56 | mgeary | since yesterday i'm getting DNS errors on scs.msg.yahoo.com |
| 15:16.09 | mgeary | can you do a dig on that? |
| 15:16.23 | mgeary | hrm |
| 15:16.30 | mgeary | just tried it from offsite. worked just fine |
| 15:16.38 | cro | s000 cro-mbp[105]% host scs.msg.yahoo.com ~/Documents/workspace/mi |
| 15:16.39 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.184 |
| 15:16.39 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.183 |
| 15:16.39 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.182 |
| 15:16.40 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.181 |
| 15:16.42 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.180 |
| 15:16.42 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:16.44 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.179 |
| 15:16.46 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.178 |
| 15:16.48 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.177 |
| 15:16.50 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.176 |
| 15:16.52 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.175 |
| 15:16.53 | itimber | back... sounds great carmony .... PM |
| 15:16.54 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.174 |
| 15:16.56 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com has address 66.163.181.173 |
| 15:16.56 | mgeary | paste alert |
| 15:16.58 | cro | scs.msg.yahoo.com mail is handled by 0 . |
| 15:17.02 | cro | sorry :-( |
| 15:18.51 | mgeary | hrm. can anyone ping 196.60.22.2? |
| 15:19.10 | cro | mgeary: no |
| 15:19.14 | mgeary | seems like maybe xmissions DNS servers are having problems |
| 15:19.15 | fungus | no |
| 15:19.17 | itimber | pinging.... no response |
| 15:19.26 | cro | switch to opendns |
| 15:19.26 | fungus | that's not XMs DNS server |
| 15:19.42 | fungus | 198.60.22.2 |
| 15:20.06 | mgeary | hmm. well i've been using that and .22 for ages now. I thought they were XMs |
| 15:20.25 | mgeary | http://wiki.xmission.com/index.php/Dialup_Archives:OS/2_Warp_3 |
| 15:20.31 | fungus | Nope, XM is 198.60.22.2 and 198.60.22.22 |
| 15:20.45 | cro | 196.60.22.2 doesn't respond to DNS queries |
| 15:20.51 | mgeary | oh, my bad. the IP is indeed 198. typo |
| 15:21.03 | fungus | right. easy mistake |
| 15:21.05 | cro | easy solutions are always the best ones |
| 15:21.09 | mgeary | no no |
| 15:21.13 | mgeary | it was an IRC typo |
| 15:21.16 | mgeary | not a config typo |
| 15:21.20 | carmony | http://asofyetunamed.blogspot.com/2008/10/cake.html <-- classic story of a computer tech |
| 15:21.21 | mgeary | dig scs.msg.yahoo.com @198.60.22.2 |
| 15:21.30 | mgeary | ^^ gives me "Truncated, retrying in TCP mode" |
| 15:21.53 | mgeary | can anyone confirm that result? |
| 15:21.54 | cro | I get a response |
| 15:22.22 | mgeary | fungus...? what would that Truncated response indicate? |
| 15:22.57 | mgeary | hmm. if i add +ignore, i get a response back |
| 15:23.03 | mgeary | dig +ignore scs.msg.yahoo.com @198.60.22.22 |
| 15:23.29 | fungus | It's a pretty big response normally. Perhaps a firewall that limits size of DNS packets? |
| 15:23.47 | mgeary | doesn't xmission have an irc channel? is it not on freenode? |
| 15:23.55 | fungus | irc.xmission.com |
| 15:23.58 | fungus | #xmlounge |
| 15:24.01 | mgeary | aha |
| 15:24.44 | carmony | is xmission any good as a server host? |
| 15:25.21 | mgeary | we don't use them for hosting, so i couldn't say |
| 15:25.26 | mgeary | they've been a decent isp |
| 15:26.13 | fungus | For Colocation yes. For Virtual Web hosting, maybe, but you can find cheaper elsewhere. |
| 15:27.11 | itimber | XM colo rox... but is pricey |
| 15:36.00 | redroy | I've got a quick mysql question... if you have time |
| 15:38.42 | mgeary | go for it |
| 15:39.02 | redroy | SELECT user.*, roles.name AS user_role_name, roles.access AS user_access |
| 15:39.02 | redroy | FROM user user |
| 15:39.02 | redroy | INNER JOIN user_roles roles ON user.user_role_id = roles.id |
| 15:39.03 | redroy | WHERE user_id = '9' |
| 15:39.32 | redroy | using that sql is fine... i'd like it however... to default if the user role is not found |
| 15:39.55 | redroy | I did some research on IF's in mysql but it isn't adding up |
| 15:40.09 | carmony | you still want it to return if no role is found? |
| 15:40.53 | redroy | yeah ... that INNER should be LEFT |
| 15:41.04 | carmony | yup :) |
| 15:41.54 | carmony | do you want it to default to role if user.user_role_id is empty? |
| 15:42.04 | redroy | basically, if the admin decides to go crazy and remove user roles that users are assigned too... I'd like to default them to the lowest level... so they can still log in. |
| 15:42.06 | carmony | a specific role if* |
| 15:42.17 | carmony | k, you could do this: |
| 15:43.28 | carmony | LEFT JOIN user_roles roles ON ((user.user_role_id = roles.id AND user.user_role_id IS NOT NULL) OR (user.user_role_id IS NULL AND roles.id = 1)) |
| 15:45.21 | carmony | so if their user_role_id is NULL, it'll default to whatever role id you set. IF it isn't null, it'll join their assigned role |
| 15:46.30 | mgeary | hrm, i would have just done an IF in the select |
| 15:47.59 | carmony | I've never used IF in mysql |
| 15:48.06 | carmony | I'll have to check it out :) |
| 15:50.11 | redroy | thanks carmony, I'll try it out! mgeary, I'd love to see an example if you have time; that's what I was originally trying to do, but ultimately it kicked my trash |
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| 15:50.59 | mgeary | well, so help me understand your context. You can currently do a query that returns NULL if they don't have a normal permission, right? if the join fails |
| 15:51.04 | mgeary | if that's the case, you just do: |
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| 15:52.10 | mgeary | select .... IFNULL(tablename.permission,"default_permission") as permission... |
| 15:54.49 | mgeary | redroy: does that make sense? |
| 15:56.32 | synic | awh yeah, groovesalad on soma.fm ftw++ |
| 16:02.20 | eggyknap | note that IFNULL is a mysql-ism. See COALESCE for the SQL standard version |
| 16:05.11 | redroy | sorry, got pulled away from my desk |
| 16:05.16 | redroy | one sec. let me give it a try |
| 16:12.23 | redroy | hmmm... I must be using it wrong |
| 16:12.32 | redroy | SELECT user.*, roles.name AS user_role_name, roles.access AS user_access IFNULL(roles.access,"user") FROM |
| 16:12.43 | mgeary | well, you need a comma |
| 16:12.49 | mgeary | after AS user_access |
| 16:12.55 | mgeary | pastebin your entire query |
| 16:14.16 | redroy | oh, I see... |
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| 16:15.46 | redroy | pastebin? |
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| 16:18.57 | redroy | ok, pretty sure I got it working correctly now |
| 16:19.18 | redroy | looks like if I don't want user_role_name to be NULL I have to do the same for it, correct? |
| 16:20.52 | fungus | pastebin = website to post snippets to |
| 16:20.54 | fungus | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 16:22.31 | DexterTheDragon | http://pastebin.ca |
| 16:23.59 | carmony | http://www.yetanotherpastebin.org/ |
| 16:24.01 | carmony | jk ;) |
| 16:28.39 | redroy | cool, query works like a charm, thanks mgeary & carmony http://pastebin.com/d3d934d27 |
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| 16:29.07 | mgeary | welcome |
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| 17:44.13 | mindjuju | it's synic 's fault! |
| 17:47.08 | mindjuju | ugh - for a sad time - http://search.twitter.com/search?q='layoff'+OR+'layoffs'+OR+'laid+off' |
| 17:48.37 | dataw0lf | so at the Palin rally yesterday, a coworker was taking pictures |
| 17:48.42 | dataw0lf | (he's the video guy here) |
| 17:48.44 | dataw0lf | http://flickr.com/photos/jamesaball/2964947620/ |
| 17:51.52 | _psychic_ | Shoulda handed her a finely designed Nazi scarf. |
| 17:57.21 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:57.31 | SunSparc | Perhaps she was just being nice |
| 17:57.52 | _psychic_ | Yeah that's kindof a lose/lose. |
| 17:58.57 | SunSparc | _psychic_: soccer? |
| 18:00.12 | tierra | it really is a good thing McCain isn't going to win now... so many people have made a joke out of Palin now that there's no way she could get any serious work done as VP |
| 18:00.55 | unum | conviently the VP doesn't really do any serious work |
| 18:01.01 | unum | unless of course the president dies |
| 18:01.13 | unum | then we would have to worry about her doing serious work |
| 18:01.19 | carmony | there are rumors that the polls the media are runnign are skewed in obama's favor |
| 18:01.30 | mindjuju | there is a shocker |
| 18:04.01 | unum | um we show obama as doing even better |
| 18:04.11 | unum | than most of the media ones |
| 18:04.21 | unum | we're waiting younger voters heavier |
| 18:04.28 | unum | carmony: where are you getting your data? |
| 18:04.39 | unum | hopefully not from the mccain campaign, the liars |
| 18:05.31 | mindjuju | unum, out of curiosity, what groups are you sampling? |
| 18:05.55 | unum | what do you mean groups? |
| 18:06.11 | unum | do you mean what groups are we waiting and placing quotas on? |
| 18:06.20 | unum | that's what I meant to ask |
| 18:07.30 | unum | s/waiting/weighting |
| 18:08.25 | carmony | http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll |
| 18:08.37 | carmony | second to last paragraph: |
| 18:08.47 | carmony | "For polling data released during the week of October 19-25, 2008, the partisan weighting targets used by Rasmussen Reports will be 39.7% Democratic, 33.0% Republican, and 27.3% unaffiliated." |
| 18:08.58 | mindjuju | sounded for a second like you were doing some polling, so was wondering what groups were being polled, younger people, older people, people in inner city, or in suburbs, etc |
| 18:09.08 | unum | mindjuju: we poll all of them |
| 18:09.16 | unum | we poll for john mccain himself |
| 18:09.26 | carmony | across the board, polls are polling a larger percentage of democrats |
| 18:09.27 | unum | carmony: those stats are based off of the current voter trends |
| 18:09.56 | unum | if you look at voter registration, it matches |
| 18:10.22 | unum | atleast it should. if the people doing the voting are any good |
| 18:10.31 | unum | s/voting/surveying |
| 18:10.44 | carmony | in 2004, the turnout was 37% for each dem and rep |
| 18:10.58 | unum | this year the numbers are expected to be different |
| 18:11.14 | carmony | by 6-10%? No way |
| 18:11.19 | carmony | just my personal opinion |
| 18:11.34 | unum | democratic voter registration is up 10% this year |
| 18:12.26 | unum | taunebuam mentions that on electoral-vote today |
| 18:13.39 | unum | but I am going to say your personal opinion is a lot less valuable than people who have been running companies in the industry for decades ;) |
| 18:14.53 | unum | mindjuju: why would we only survey certain groups |
| 18:15.03 | unum | that really screws up your polling if all the groups vote |
| 18:15.09 | unum | and you only surveyed some of them |
| 18:16.02 | mindjuju | targeting |
| 18:18.49 | unum | ? |
| 18:18.56 | unum | oh I guess I understand now |
| 18:19.03 | unum | we're not research at this point |
| 18:19.09 | unum | it's mostly about tracking |
| 18:19.18 | unum | messages had to be chosen a long time ago |
| 18:19.49 | unum | s/research/researching messages |
| 19:19.16 | SunSparc | Good times playing soccer. Good soccer weather. |
| 19:25.19 | carmony | Mmm... yummy chinesse food |
| 19:26.16 | SunSparc | Ooooh, what did you get? |
| 19:31.20 | carmony | Three Ingrident Kung Pao Lunch Special! :p |
| 19:32.47 | SunSparc | Panda? |
| 19:33.02 | carmony | Eastern Winds in Ogden |
| 19:34.12 | SunSparc | General Tso's Chicken++ |
| 19:34.20 | carmony | LOL, thats what itimber had ;) |
| 19:34.29 | SunSparc | ^5 itimber |
| 19:35.08 | SunSparc | peppered beef and green beans is my second favorite |
| 19:35.42 | carmony | well, if you're ever in ogden, let me know and we'll do lunch :) |
| 19:35.58 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:36.25 | SunSparc | Not really my neck of the woods, but it could happen. |
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| 19:36.37 | carmony | or I'll stuff some General Tso's Chicken in a grenade and toss it to you in CoD4 ;) |
| 19:36.43 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:36.52 | SunSparc | Yeah, then I can wear it. |
| 19:40.15 | carmony | so did you fix the CoD4 server SunSparc? ;) |
| 19:40.49 | SunSparc | No, spent some time on it this morning though. |
| 19:41.05 | carmony | awwww :( |
| 19:41.18 | SunSparc | The box is plugged directly into our modem. So it is outside any firewalls or gateways. |
| 19:42.03 | SunSparc | As jsmith pointed out, it is obviously not DNS since the IP does the same as the name. |
| 19:42.37 | SunSparc | Outside the network I can ping it and traceroute to it just fine, but it will not respond to ssh, http, or cod4 ports. |
| 19:42.56 | carmony | have you tried restarted the server? |
| 19:43.41 | SunSparc | Not recently. But in the past we think that has helped. There is a theory that it works and then the nic goes to sleep or something. |
| 19:45.05 | SunSparc | I am going to restart it right now. |
| 19:46.21 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 19:46.22 | SunSparc | http://games.mediarain.com/ |
| 19:51.05 | itimber | ^5 carmony |
| 19:54.40 | carmony | hrm.... still nothing |
| 19:55.02 | carmony | I got a different error |
| 19:55.11 | carmony | network timeout |
| 20:07.23 | carmony | lol, look like SunSpart and _psychic_ broke MediaRain's internet connection :P |
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| 20:22.52 | thebigdog | orsonj that mag is killer |
| 20:32.47 | mindjuju | ugh |
| 20:33.14 | mindjuju | i can believe i spent several hours this morning troubleshooting a person who was having problems downloading files from my server |
| 20:33.47 | mindjuju | only to find out, this "tech savvy" pro didn't FREAKIN' know how to download a file from a web page |
| 20:34.00 | mindjuju | as in click on the link and hit save |
| 20:34.25 | mindjuju | dag nab mac user |
| 20:36.21 | cro | hey, I resemble that remark. |
| 20:42.08 | mindjuju | today's silver lining - oil below $67 |
| 20:42.55 | itimber | and the Dollar is at a 2yr high |
| 20:42.59 | cro | at least until OPEC meets to discuss how they can still afford to build those unreal skyscrapers in the Middle East |
| 20:43.27 | itimber | they can afford it.... we're sending them all our money |
| 20:43.29 | itimber | :) |
| 20:43.48 | mindjuju | holy crap! - the media is biased towards obama? who knew? http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081022/pl_politico/14829 |
| 20:44.07 | mindjuju | actually, it has gotten better, today, there were only 2 negative articles against palin on digg wheni got in |
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| 20:45.13 | mindjuju | doesn't have to be |
| 20:45.20 | mindjuju | but then, who'd make a buck? |
| 20:45.21 | jsmith-teaching | If it weren't biased, it would be news... |
| 20:45.24 | jsmith-teaching | ... it would be ordinary |
| 20:45.28 | dataw0lf | well, I'm sure if there were people at Obama's campaign yelling "KILL HIM" about McCain, if the DNC had spent 150 thousand dollars to clothe Obama and his family, if Biden didn't know what the VP's role was, there'd probably be more negative coverage of Obama. |
| 20:45.41 | dataw0lf | to name a couple things. |
| 20:45.45 | thebigdog | i purchased gas at $2.97/g today....oh yeah...oh yea |
| 20:45.59 | mindjuju | @dataw0lf - psh |
| 20:46.00 | cro | I got it for $2.88 yesterday |
| 20:46.08 | mindjuju | don't tell me you actually believe that stuff, do you? |
| 20:46.15 | dataw0lf | believe what stuff? |
| 20:46.16 | thebigdog | cro nice |
| 20:46.22 | cro | (that was with a 0.15/gal discount from Smiths :-) ) |
| 20:46.22 | mindjuju | the stuff you're quoting |
| 20:46.36 | thebigdog | cro, smith has made so much money doing that |
| 20:46.37 | dataw0lf | 1) I've been to two Palin rallies. The people were shouting obscene things constantly |
| 20:46.51 | dataw0lf | 2) the 150 thousand dollars to clothe Palin and her family was on the RNC's statement |
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| 20:46.53 | cro | No kidding |
| 20:47.07 | dataw0lf | and the McCain campaign released a statement that said they always planned to "donate it to charity" |
| 20:47.10 | dataw0lf | so that's true |
| 20:47.18 | mindjuju | so, are you saying it's exclusive to the repubs |
| 20:47.24 | mindjuju | no dems every shouted obsenities |
| 20:47.32 | mindjuju | at rallies |
| 20:47.43 | dataw0lf | and I've seen Palin three times state that she thinks that the VP can "get in there and help the Senate with policy decisions" |
| 20:47.54 | dataw0lf | I've been to both rallies, have you? |
| 20:48.05 | dataw0lf | Obama rallies are overwhelmingly positive - it's not about how much McCain sucks. |
| 20:48.11 | mindjuju | that's not the question |
| 20:48.17 | mindjuju | question is, have any dems shouted obsenities |
| 20:48.21 | mindjuju | simple question |
| 20:48.30 | unum | obama can't control crowds when he's not there |
| 20:48.31 | dataw0lf | Maybe, I don't recall any. I'm comparing the general attitude of the crowd. |
| 20:48.37 | unum | palin is there and encouraging it |
| 20:48.38 | mindjuju | any wackos that yell weird stuff |
| 20:48.48 | mindjuju | k, so why isn't the dems shouting weird stuff being reported |
| 20:48.49 | dataw0lf | this isn't just wackos yelling weird stuff, mindjuju. |
| 20:48.53 | dataw0lf | Go to a goddamn rally. |
| 20:48.57 | mindjuju | i have been |
| 20:49.05 | unum | to one with palin? |
| 20:49.12 | dataw0lf | Palin has intentionally been inciting this stuff. |
| 20:49.13 | mindjuju | not one with palin |
| 20:49.16 | dataw0lf | I've seen it with my own eyes. |
| 20:49.18 | mindjuju | but i have been politically active |
| 20:49.21 | dataw0lf | so don't give me that crap. |
| 20:49.32 | dataw0lf | so anyways, what am I supposed to not believe, mindjuju? |
| 20:49.35 | unum | we are talking about the presidential campaign |
| 20:49.36 | unum | s |
| 20:49.47 | mindjuju | k, let's talk about what palin said was the role of the VP |
| 20:49.54 | mindjuju | let's go somewhere where it is documented |
| 20:49.58 | dataw0lf | Certainly. |
| 20:50.20 | dataw0lf | She's trying to extend Cheney's ridiculous take on the VP position, it's fairly obvious. |
| 20:50.22 | josephscott | mindjuju: I don't think you are going to win this one, Palin has been doing really poorly in intereviews |
| 20:50.42 | mindjuju | my point isn't that pallin is good or bad |
| 20:50.51 | mindjuju | my point is that she is being targeted aggressively |
| 20:50.59 | mindjuju | and for the stupidest of stuff |
| 20:51.00 | dataw0lf | she puts herself in the sights to be targetted. |
| 20:51.05 | josephscott | she's a politician, why wouldn't she be? |
| 20:51.26 | dataw0lf | she could possibly be the president, mindjuju. Everyone should be vetted thoroughly by the media. |
| 20:51.29 | unum | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/22/veeps_run_the_senate_palin_tel.html |
| 20:51.34 | josephscott | remember the first bush's vp? he didn't get light treatment either :-) |
| 20:51.35 | dataw0lf | Obama and Biden have been, regardless of what you want to spin on that. |
| 20:52.10 | mindjuju | k, i agree, everybody should be vetted, but equally |
| 20:52.15 | mindjuju | and it isn't equal |
| 20:52.19 | mindjuju | even hillary said that |
| 20:52.24 | unum | I think the media has been disappointed by biden, he's usually pretty good for some gaffe |
| 20:52.26 | dataw0lf | it is equal. |
| 20:52.36 | josephscott | they aren't clones, I'm not sure how you manage to make things exactly equal |
| 20:52.43 | dataw0lf | it's as equal as it can be. |
| 20:52.54 | dataw0lf | The only ammo the Republicans have are things like this laughable Ayers connection. |
| 20:52.54 | mindjuju | hmmm, don't think its anywhere near equal |
| 20:53.06 | mindjuju | like the article said, 14% positive for mccain |
| 20:53.10 | dataw0lf | and that has been vetted over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN |
| 20:53.12 | unum | I actually think one of the problems with television media is how hard they try to make things "equal" |
| 20:53.19 | dataw0lf | unum: I totally agree, actually. |
| 20:53.23 | josephscott | biden has said some rather dumb things to, and he gets beat up for it |
| 20:53.25 | mindjuju | k, let's see some vetting on obama and biden |
| 20:53.28 | mindjuju | cause i haven't seen any |
| 20:53.36 | dataw0lf | um. are you serious mindjuju? |
| 20:53.41 | mindjuju | fair enough josephscott, but i'd like to see it |
| 20:53.43 | mindjuju | yup, serious |
| 20:53.49 | dataw0lf | Obama has even been vetted over a damn flag pin |
| 20:53.55 | dataw0lf | what're you talking about. |
| 20:54.01 | unum | biden has managed not to say anything really stupid lately. |
| 20:54.08 | mindjuju | by the national media or repub am radio guy |
| 20:54.08 | unum | other wise they would be all over him |
| 20:54.11 | mindjuju | i'm talking national |
| 20:54.12 | mindjuju | not rush |
| 20:54.13 | dataw0lf | well Biden had a gem on Sunday but Obama spun that fairly well |
| 20:54.17 | mindjuju | don't listen to the dude anyways |
| 20:54.21 | josephscott | mindjuju: you didn't hear about the biden comment about paying higher taxes is patriotic? |
| 20:54.25 | dataw0lf | that wasn't rush. there was a whole slew of articles about that, mindjuju. |
| 20:54.40 | mindjuju | k, let's say it this way |
| 20:54.47 | mindjuju | if it was on AM radio or fox,it don't count |
| 20:55.03 | dataw0lf | it wasn't just on FOX. |
| 20:55.16 | dataw0lf | Time: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1779544,00.html |
| 20:55.25 | dataw0lf | http://www.ajc.com/services/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/10/21/disrespectful_treatment_of_a_f.html |
| 20:55.28 | josephscott | problem palin is having now is that the percentage of things she's saying that sound odd are pretty high |
| 20:55.28 | dataw0lf | ajc |
| 20:56.13 | dataw0lf | The McCain campaign has far more negatives than the Obama campaign. That's the thing. It has nothing to do with the media. |
| 20:56.43 | dataw0lf | if the media was liberal, they wouldn't have let Bush slide on a war and various other crap that they have time and time again. |
| 20:56.48 | dataw0lf | Especially 2002-2006 |
| 20:56.58 | dataw0lf | this liberal media crap. whew, boy. |
| 20:57.08 | dataw0lf | You're like a neocon talking point incarnate, mindjuju. |
| 20:57.15 | josephscott | 'media' is too wide of a term |
| 20:57.31 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, i think you're getting WAY to excited about this |
| 20:57.40 | unum | if biden had made the comment that palin did he would have been mocked for it as well |
| 20:57.47 | mindjuju | first, this article in time isn't giving obama a hard time |
| 20:57.49 | dataw0lf | no, I want you to finish this argument. You can't believe I believe what crap, exactly, mindjuju? |
| 20:57.53 | mindjuju | and that's why my lack of response |
| 20:57.58 | mindjuju | i'm trying to read it and your comments |
| 20:58.07 | dataw0lf | I just detailed all three points I made ( I have a lot more ), and you haven't refuted a single on as being non-factual. |
| 20:58.12 | dataw0lf | s/on/one |
| 20:58.13 | mindjuju | and if you read the comments on the mag, you'll see they explain what and why, but not directly assaulting on obama |
| 20:58.30 | mindjuju | k dude, let's step back and chill for a sec |
| 20:58.36 | dataw0lf | that's because directly assaulting someone for not wearing a damn flag pin is McCarthyism, mindjuju. |
| 20:58.39 | mindjuju | do you want me to read the time mag you posted for me to read or not? |
| 20:58.43 | dataw0lf | it even being an article is garbage. |
| 20:58.52 | mindjuju | should i read or no? |
| 20:58.54 | dataw0lf | No, refute my points as being false mindjuju. |
| 20:58.56 | dataw0lf | That's what I want. |
| 20:58.58 | dataw0lf | Right now. |
| 20:59.07 | dataw0lf | other wise don't pass me off as believing lies. |
| 20:59.11 | dataw0lf | Got me? |
| 20:59.35 | mindjuju | i'll wait till you cool down |
| 20:59.38 | dataw0lf | Ok, so you're wrong. You just called me either a liar or a sheep, and it was wrong. |
| 20:59.41 | dataw0lf | Thank you. |
| 20:59.47 | mindjuju | no, i'm not wrong |
| 20:59.53 | mindjuju | you're freakin out |
| 20:59.54 | dataw0lf | then what of those three statements were false. |
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| 21:00.00 | dataw0lf | No, I want you to tell what I said was false. |
| 21:00.15 | mindjuju | i'll wait, thanks |
| 21:00.15 | dataw0lf | Explain to me. |
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| 21:01.03 | mindjuju | i'll explain when you calm down and we can talk about the points |
| 21:01.13 | mindjuju | i'm not going to just see who can type the fastest |
| 21:01.21 | mindjuju | not worth it |
| 21:01.32 | dataw0lf | well, I'm sure if there were people at Obama's campaign yelling "KILL HIM" about McCain, if the DNC had spent 150 thousand dollars to clothe Obama and his family, if Biden didn't know what the VP's role was, there'd probably be more negative coverage of Obama. |
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| 21:01.41 | dataw0lf | those are the three points. You said they were lies. Tell me why. |
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| 21:27.15 | mindjuju | i'm going to wait till things settle down, thx |
| 21:27.33 | unum | so after the election :) |
| 21:27.42 | _psychic_ | that's only the beginning :) |
| 21:27.44 | mindjuju | meh, if that's how long it takes |
| 21:29.45 | mindjuju | though this is pretty funny in the interim - http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/10/john-hodgman-gi.html |
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| 21:31.49 | dataw0lf | w/in 2 |
| 21:36.26 | SunSparc | mindjuju: fascinating |
| 21:36.55 | mindjuju | funny huh? |
| 21:37.11 | SunSparc | Yeah, PC is a funny guy apparently |
| 21:37.27 | mindjuju | my thoughts exactly |
| 21:37.59 | SunSparc | It is nice that he is able to move past the whole PC stigma |
| 21:59.52 | itimber | I'm out guys.... later |
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