| 00:00.00 | thebigdog | so i took my 10yr old |
| 00:04.16 | carmony_ | Hrm, I'm thinking about calling that project I want to start phpChronicle, or dataChronicle, or something like that :p |
| 00:07.10 | mindjuju1 | dataChronicle sounds cool |
| 00:13.36 | carmony_ | http://screencast.com/t/SGtHBEBCysD |
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| 01:31.23 | synic | ravetrax on my phone ftw. |
| 01:34.37 | mindjuju1 | yeah, if only they were playing good stuff now |
| 01:37.17 | synic | we can't be friends anymore |
| 01:37.24 | mindjuju1 | heh |
| 01:37.28 | mindjuju1 | you like this? |
| 01:37.36 | mindjuju1 | it's allright, but not fantastic |
| 01:37.38 | synic | deepsky rocks |
| 01:37.41 | mindjuju1 | like the last song |
| 01:38.03 | synic | you need to crank your bass up to 11 to get the full vibe |
| 01:39.20 | synic | this stuff is right up my alley.... slow, bassy, progressive, with some ambient stuff going on |
| 01:40.02 | synic | but yeah, that's why ravetrax rocks. They have a great variety |
| 01:40.11 | mindjuju1 | true that on the variety |
| 01:40.22 | mindjuju1 | and this is decent enough |
| 01:40.28 | mindjuju1 | i've just heard better here |
| 01:40.34 | thebigdog | it all sucks |
| 01:40.41 | synic | thebigdog: you have no say. |
| 01:41.47 | synic | must've been something that happened in his childhood. |
| 01:41.58 | mindjuju1 | yeah, no doubt |
| 01:42.05 | mindjuju1 | mus have ear damage or something |
| 01:42.55 | mindjuju1 | so what you up to synic?\ |
| 01:43.17 | synic | pondering which establishment will be providing my dinner |
| 01:43.29 | mindjuju1 | whopper king |
| 01:43.45 | synic | good call |
| 01:44.00 | mindjuju1 | :) |
| 01:45.11 | orsonj | ~seen bradym |
| 01:45.13 | jbot | bradym <n=bradym@qst4fc.quinstreet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 25d 1h 55m 26s ago, saying: 'especially for perl'. |
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| 01:58.22 | mindjuju1 | carmony_ - your logo looked awesome! |
| 01:58.32 | carmony_ | thanks :) |
| 02:05.52 | carmony_ | I changed my name on the name though, thought of it at dinner: http://screencast.com/t/rzgJiTLe6T |
| 02:22.42 | mindjuju1 | synic - ravetrax is playing good stuff again |
| 02:22.48 | mindjuju1 | i dig on this type of techno |
| 02:30.45 | carmony_ | mindjuju1: what do you think is a good CMS/System for hosting a open source project's website? |
| 02:31.12 | jsmith | There is no good open source CMS |
| 02:31.17 | jsmith | They all stink |
| 02:31.24 | carmony_ | lol |
| 02:31.27 | carmony_ | I agree |
| 02:31.44 | carmony_ | I might just setup WordPress & Trac for now |
| 02:31.51 | mindjuju1 | on the other hand, if i wanted something that i could sling up and fast, it'd be wordpress |
| 02:31.52 | mindjuju1 | yup |
| 02:32.15 | jsmith | I wouldn't go so far as to call Wordpress a CMS quite yet... |
| 02:32.22 | mindjuju1 | and it can be mutated into a cms |
| 02:32.28 | mindjuju1 | took the words right out of my mouth |
| 02:32.42 | jsmith | mindjuju1: I'm good at that... next you're going to say you need a snack |
| 02:32.54 | jsmith | Something salty, perhaps? |
| 02:32.54 | carmony_ | what about a mailing list? |
| 02:33.10 | mindjuju1 | mailman is what we use here |
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| 02:33.33 | jsmith | carmony_: You could always wimp out and use Google Groups and/or Google Code |
| 02:33.51 | jsmith | Or (heaven forbid!) SourceForge. |
| 02:34.23 | carmony_ | lol, would you *suggest* that? or is it just the shortest distance? |
| 02:36.43 | mindjuju | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 02:36.58 | carmony_ | ?? |
| 02:37.03 | mindjuju | dag nab marketing department is snarfing up all my istockphoto credits |
| 02:37.09 | mindjuju | i have to PO for that stuff! |
| 02:37.25 | carmony_ | LOL |
| 02:37.35 | carmony_ | who do you work for? |
| 02:37.48 | mindjuju | dude, literally like 50 creds gone |
| 02:58.20 | DexterTheDragon | Republic Credits? |
| 03:03.17 | jsmith | These are not the credits you are looking for |
| 03:13.12 | carmony_ | lol :p |
| 03:17.22 | carmony_ | http://openchronicle.org/ |
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| 03:56.43 | Utah_Dave | ping mindjuju |
| 03:56.49 | Utah_Dave | ~ping mindjuju |
| 03:56.49 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 03:57.17 | mindjuju | sup fo |
| 03:59.04 | mindjuju | DexterTheDragon - sup |
| 03:59.20 | Utah_Dave | did you ever get that discount code for the flex builder? |
| 03:59.21 | mindjuju | that's a cool design carmony_ |
| 03:59.25 | mindjuju | yup |
| 03:59.32 | mindjuju | but not the slide deck |
| 03:59.39 | mindjuju | i should send ANOTHER email |
| 03:59.51 | mindjuju | do you want to use the code? |
| 03:59.58 | mindjuju | goodd til the end of Nov, you know |
| 04:00.03 | mindjuju | 15% |
| 04:00.07 | mindjuju | off |
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| 04:04.11 | mindjuju | so MANY utah_dave s around here |
| 04:04.18 | mindjuju | one could get confused |
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| 04:16.30 | Utah_Dave1 | sorry, mindjuju. my stupid connection keeps dropping |
| 04:16.40 | mindjuju | sup bro |
| 04:18.28 | Utah_Dave1 | how much of a discount does that code give us? |
| 04:18.38 | mindjuju | 15% off |
| 04:18.53 | mindjuju | so it'll take of over $60 on the pro version |
| 04:18.59 | mindjuju | which is like $600 |
| 04:20.17 | Utah_Dave1 | right. |
| 04:20.24 | Utah_Dave1 | cool. |
| 04:20.43 | mindjuju | want it |
| 04:21.00 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 04:21.12 | mindjuju | maybe you should email me! |
| 04:21.29 | Utah_Dave | I think I've got the problem fixed |
| 04:22.10 | mindjuju | hey! you are still here! |
| 04:23.34 | mindjuju | so you want it? |
| 04:23.48 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
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| 14:50.28 | carmony | Good morning :) |
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| 15:08.10 | itimber | morning guys |
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| 15:21.27 | carmony | mornin itimber |
| 15:26.26 | itimber | sup carmony |
| 15:33.11 | mgeary | ~ping someone who has a 3G iphone |
| 15:33.12 | jbot | pong someone who has a 3G iphone |
| 15:34.47 | mgeary | so, have you ever done a "Restore" in itunes? |
| 15:35.18 | carmony | nope |
| 15:36.59 | SunSparc | I did a restore on my 3G when I first got it because I was upgrading from my original iPhone. |
| 15:37.00 | mgeary | i'm still having problems updating my iphone apps. I have to manually remove each app and then install the new version, rather than being able to update in-place |
| 15:37.18 | SunSparc | odd |
| 15:37.26 | SunSparc | Have you called Apple Care? |
| 15:37.41 | mgeary | no. i'm sure they'll just tell me to reset the device |
| 15:37.55 | mgeary | so i'm thinking about doing a Restore. However, i don't know what happens next as far as getting my settings restored. Do i have to do that all manually? |
| 15:38.18 | mgeary | i know you can "Restore from Backup", but what does that restore? Is that likely to simply re-introduce my problem? |
| 15:38.18 | SunSparc | No, it just copies everything from the backup. |
| 15:38.42 | SunSparc | Dunno about the problems, but it basically copies everything. |
| 15:38.48 | SunSparc | Except alarms. |
| 15:40.26 | mgeary | k, well i'm gonna do it |
| 15:40.35 | mgeary | i take it you don't have any problems updating apps in-place? |
| 15:40.52 | SunSparc | Nope, updating works better than ever. |
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| 16:21.13 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 16:21.34 | macnewbold | howdy mj! |
| 16:21.51 | mindjuju | sup over on your side of the interweb? |
| 16:24.29 | jsmith | It has sides? |
| 16:24.29 | macnewbold | gettin all happy cause we've got a server for our VOIP now, doing switchvox inhouse with a broadvox SIP trunk service courtesy of tristanbob_ at Utah Open Tech |
| 16:24.45 | jsmith | macnewbold: w00t! |
| 16:24.58 | macnewbold | yeah, we're excited to try it out so we can get switched over |
| 16:25.02 | mgeary | jsmith: my interweb is round |
| 16:25.33 | macnewbold | we got the last $650 of our credit with the other provider to apply toward a nice Polycom SoundStation 6000 with power over ethernet, for our conference room and other speakerphone calls |
| 16:25.52 | jsmith | Ah, cool... they finally caved, did they :-) |
| 16:26.32 | mindjuju | that's cool! |
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| 16:35.20 | carmony | hrm... I think my open source project is going to be harder than I thought ;) |
| 16:36.04 | mgeary | carmony: i liked thebigdog's idea of using xml as an interchange format |
| 16:36.31 | mgeary | i'd also recommend programming the tool in python;) |
| 16:36.59 | eggyknap | carmony: most are :) |
| 16:37.03 | carmony | lol, I don't know python ;) |
| 16:37.09 | mgeary | good opportunity to learn |
| 16:38.20 | carmony | lol, does Python have good database access methods? One of my goals with PHP was to use PDO, or something like it, so help support multiple databases |
| 16:38.43 | carmony | lol |
| 16:39.18 | carmony | I could make it on rails.... (waits for the reaction.... ;)) |
| 16:39.18 | mgeary | carmony: SQLalchemy and SQLobject are two database-independent frameworks that are both very highly regarded by python folk |
| 16:39.35 | mgeary | carmony: you mean on ruby. This tool wouldn't have a web interface, would it? |
| 16:39.52 | eggyknap | carmony: jbellis of #utahpython just gave a presentation at a PostgreSQL conference on SQLalchemy |
| 16:39.57 | eggyknap | ...if that helps... |
| 16:40.24 | carmony | mgeary, I was planning on making a web interface for it |
| 16:40.37 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:40.51 | mgeary | well then, pick yer poison, i suppose |
| 16:41.22 | mindjuju | i hear hemlock tastes fruity |
| 16:44.00 | mindjuju | poison potato! |
| 16:44.04 | mindjuju | zoinks! |
| 16:46.23 | mindjuju | man, can the election get any nuttier? Eminem has endorsed oBama |
| 16:46.42 | mindjuju | well, that's swayed my vote |
| 16:48.10 | SunSparc | Will the real US President, please stand up? |
| 16:51.20 | jsmith | The election is nice and all, but I really wish our government would actually get back to... wait for it... governance. |
| 16:52.06 | mindjuju | psh, goes to show what you know! Lobbyists are the real power |
| 16:52.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:52.20 | mindjuju | er |
| 16:52.22 | mindjuju | :( |
| 16:52.35 | jsmith | mindjuju: Well then, I wish the lobbyists would get around to governing then... |
| 16:54.12 | mindjuju | in case anybody is wondering who I'm endorsing, cause you know, i'm famous and have an opinion, i'm endorsing |
| 16:54.14 | mindjuju | ... |
| 16:54.16 | mindjuju | ... |
| 16:54.21 | mgeary | Mickey Mouse |
| 16:54.25 | mindjuju | an Inanimate Carbon Rod ! |
| 16:54.30 | mgeary | same diff |
| 16:54.47 | mindjuju | mgeary, actually a simpsons joke |
| 16:54.55 | mindjuju | homer loses employee of the month to an ICR |
| 16:55.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:55.26 | mindjuju | yeah, back when they were good |
| 16:55.27 | carmony | I like John Stossel's point of view with goverment: leave them to do things like security & defense, but for the most part, stay out of it. |
| 16:55.32 | mindjuju | that one was from like season 5 |
| 16:56.14 | SunSparc | carmony: Amen! |
| 16:56.24 | mgeary | bah, the government should play an important regulatory role. I heard a good comment yesterday, "if the government didn't regulate the meat & poultry industry, it wouldn't regulate itself. We'd have all kinds of garbage in our food" |
| 16:56.48 | mgeary | tell me it's not true. Look at China with their melamine in their milk, and their sugar and starch baby formula |
| 16:56.53 | carmony | http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2008/10/john-stossels-politically-incorrect.html <-- good 20/20 episode |
| 16:57.20 | SunSparc | mgeary: Nah, the market would eliminate bad products. |
| 16:57.23 | mgeary | no way |
| 16:57.25 | mindjuju | mgeary, that reminds me of the bokk The Jungle |
| 16:57.29 | mindjuju | by Upton Sinclair |
| 16:57.45 | mgeary | there were ONE HUNDRED FORTY FOUR chinese factories producing sugar-and-starch (bogus) baby formula |
| 16:57.48 | thebigdog | mindjuju, that was a killer book |
| 16:58.14 | mgeary | the market does NOT eliminate bad products by default |
| 16:58.21 | carmony | Here is the big rule of thumb of goverment: every action they take will have unintended consiquences. |
| 16:58.23 | jsmith | mgeary: One hundred forty four is a gross, right? That's just gross... |
| 16:58.28 | mgeary | :) |
| 16:58.34 | mgeary | nice one |
| 16:59.01 | carmony | I'm okay with them regulating major things like food and such |
| 16:59.18 | carmony | but when they come in and say they'll "fix this, fix that, everything will be perfect" it is total bull |
| 16:59.21 | mindjuju | mgeary, i think you have a good point, there does need to be regulation, but gov isn't above corruption |
| 16:59.32 | SunSparc | I think regulating bodies could easily be private ventures. |
| 16:59.37 | SunSparc | Many are. |
| 16:59.40 | mgeary | okay, so you've gone now from "security and defense" to "security, defense and food". How about our infrastructure? |
| 16:59.43 | mgeary | SunSparc: bah |
| 16:59.55 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:00.37 | carmony | I think if the private sector can do it, it should |
| 17:00.44 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:00.47 | carmony | the goverment is slow & extremely costly |
| 17:00.56 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:01.05 | mgeary | look at Medicaid. It's enormously efficient |
| 17:01.12 | mgeary | seriously. it is |
| 17:01.37 | mgeary | i think we should privatize our fire departments. have them only put out fires in houses for people who can pay for it |
| 17:02.26 | carmony | what about Farm subsidies? |
| 17:02.37 | mgeary | i think they're silly |
| 17:03.26 | carmony | they're expensive! |
| 17:04.06 | jsmith | No, most of them have already been eliminated |
| 17:04.13 | jsmith | Get your facts straight :-p |
| 17:04.27 | mgeary | well, again, i think the program should be restructured and/or eliminated. However, before you use the word "expensive", look at how much money goes to maintaining our arsenal of ten thousand nuclear warheads |
| 17:04.28 | carmony | there is still a lot of them |
| 17:09.05 | mindjuju | "fixing" the government is relative to the fixer, and with the polarization of political thought we will swing manically from one pole to the other to the ruination of our nation |
| 17:09.42 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:12.35 | tierra | privitization of fire depts... honestly, that's pretty retarded mgeary... especially when you take into consideration that a good chunk of firefighting is done on public land for which everyone is responsible for chipping in on, not just the issue that's it's just outright dumb to not put out a blaze in someone's home just because they didn't pay the fire dept bill |
| 17:12.41 | tierra | I hope you were just joking about that |
| 17:14.08 | tierra | and what about fires that weren't caused by something you did? |
| 17:15.13 | carmony | I think he was using it as a example of a "bad idea" to prove his point of the goverment should be incharge of things |
| 17:15.59 | SunSparc | I think the government should be in charge of things. |
| 17:17.47 | unum | there are prominient libertarians that argue police and fire should be private |
| 17:17.58 | unum | and of course roads as well |
| 17:18.00 | mgeary | the government should do for individuals what we cannot do for ourselves |
| 17:18.57 | mgeary | and yes, tierra, i was being facetious |
| 17:19.23 | tierra | it's a little hard to tell in IRC |
| 17:19.48 | mgeary | agreed, but if you don't know me and my socialist/commie ways by now... |
| 17:20.47 | SunSparc | you will never never never know him... |
| 17:21.06 | mgeary | exACTly |
| 17:23.15 | SunSparc | A lot things things, like roads, fire fighters, police, etc are great because they are maintained by local governments. Local government are a lot easier to control as we know where our city leaders live and can get ready access to them. |
| 17:24.56 | mgeary | certainly. why just yesterday i thew an egg at Curt Bramble's house on my way home from work |
| 17:25.42 | mgeary | oh come on, that was a LITTLE funny |
| 17:26.06 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 17:26.16 | SunSparc | Yeah, it was. |
| 18:18.32 | mindjuju | why do people pick every dropbox in a form? |
| 18:19.02 | mgeary | huh? |
| 18:19.13 | mindjuju | like when somebody says, I hiring and I want osmebody that knows ASP, ASP.NET, C#, Coldfusion, PHP, Python, PERL |
| 18:19.19 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:19.25 | mindjuju | wth ??? |
| 18:19.52 | mgeary | heck yeah. and i'm gonna pay 'em $22k/year |
| 18:19.55 | mindjuju | are they REALLY running those techs? |
| 18:20.03 | mgeary | and they'd better be a good designer, too |
| 18:20.10 | mgeary | and know Flash |
| 18:20.21 | mindjuju | and for database, they always put *Must be experienced in MySQL, MS SQL and Oracle |
| 18:20.22 | carmony | and make doughnuts |
| 18:20.42 | mindjuju | just kills me |
| 18:21.11 | mindjuju | i think that's is so egregious a thing, i'm going to mint it my Pet Peeve #2 |
| 18:22.26 | carmony | whats #1? |
| 18:22.46 | carmony | marketing departments that burn through your stock photo credits? ;) |
| 18:23.24 | mindjuju | Well, you know on a bag of microwave pop corn, it always has instructions, and they always follow like this. 1. unwrap and put in micro, 2. pop for 4 minutes, 3 enjoy |
| 18:23.29 | mindjuju | i hate that they put enjoy there |
| 18:23.32 | mindjuju | why??? |
| 18:23.41 | mindjuju | would you really pop if you didn't enjoy? |
| 18:23.53 | mindjuju | is this an order to enjoy? |
| 18:23.58 | carmony | lol |
| 18:23.58 | mindjuju | am i forced to enjoy? |
| 18:24.13 | mindjuju | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 18:24.45 | mindjuju | dag, scared josephscott out of the room |
| 18:24.49 | mindjuju | i'd better focus on work |
| 18:28.05 | carmony | where do you work mindjuju? I can't remember if you told me or not |
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| 18:30.12 | mgeary | 4 minutes?? if you cook popcorn for 4 minutes, all you're going to have is a very stinky pile of black goo |
| 18:30.37 | mgeary | my #1 pet peeve is people who make (and burn) popcorn at work |
| 18:31.24 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 18:31.32 | mindjuju | you're too funny mgeary |
| 18:32.20 | mgeary | no no. that's it |
| 18:32.22 | mindjuju | people voting repub? privitization |
| 18:32.31 | mgeary | the smell of burnt popcorn is simply awful |
| 18:32.38 | mindjuju | oh, true that, it is awful |
| 18:32.51 | mgeary | i've got zero probs with people voting republican. Power to 'em |
| 18:34.48 | dataw0lf | ah finally getting back to finishing my blog app |
| 18:39.49 | itimber | *cough *cough |
| 18:40.23 | mgeary | i'll bet dataw0lf agrees with me. Don't you totally think we should privatize the Fire Departments, dataw0lf? |
| 18:41.03 | dataw0lf | of course. Everyone knows that corporations are more efficient than the government |
| 18:41.06 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 18:41.11 | dataw0lf | (people who haven't worked for both, anyways) |
| 18:42.47 | carmony | I think civil services are good to have the goverment do, like roads, fire departments, police, etc |
| 18:44.05 | mgeary | and infrastructure |
| 18:44.18 | mgeary | and defense/intl' relations |
| 18:44.27 | mgeary | and <gasp> healthcare |
| 18:46.13 | carmony | here is my worry for healthcare. Look at canada, they get free healthcare but the quality is lower. I knew a woman who lived in canada and had stomach problems. Over 10 years she kept getting passed around by doctors and specialists until they diagosed her with Isiliacs(sp?) |
| 18:46.44 | carmony | My mom just started having problems, and took the doctors about a month to diagnose her |
| 18:46.45 | mgeary | carmony: are you suggesting that US Senators and Congressmen/women don't have good healthcare? |
| 18:47.00 | dataw0lf | I just take my Mom's position on healthcare. |
| 18:47.11 | carmony | I think if we paid for everyone to have the same healthcare, the goverment would go broke |
| 18:48.41 | mgeary | every industrialized country you can name has a national healthcare provision |
| 18:48.50 | mgeary | note: "provision" |
| 18:48.54 | mgeary | not a single-payer system |
| 18:48.57 | mgeary | a fallback option |
| 18:49.13 | mgeary | if you want private insurance, no problem |
| 18:49.27 | carmony | but there are already fall back systems |
| 18:49.37 | carmony | here in Utah my wife is on HIP |
| 18:49.37 | dataw0lf | no kidding. Germany has the 3rd highest GDP percentage of healthcare and it supplies full health coverage. |
| 18:49.50 | mgeary | HIP costs $700 per month per individual |
| 18:49.55 | mgeary | my wife was on hip for several years |
| 18:50.20 | carmony | The price has gone down, cause I think we're paying 450 about for my wife |
| 18:50.26 | dataw0lf | personally, though, I don't really care about healthcare. I get great benefits from my employer and my Mom is a doctor. I can get primo healthcare whenever I want. |
| 18:50.55 | dataw0lf | so whatevs. privatize it socialize it I don't really care, except from a personal liberal point of view and my position on the responsibility of government |
| 18:51.15 | carmony | mgeary, what would you think a reasonable price for health insurance be? |
| 18:51.43 | mgeary | carmony: well, John McCain believes that the average insurance policy costs $5k per year for a family. My experience is that it's more than double that |
| 18:52.12 | mgeary | i don't have a problem with my insurance costs |
| 18:52.18 | mgeary | but apparently 44 million americans do |
| 18:52.23 | SunSparc | http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ |
| 18:53.15 | carmony | I think John McCain is out of touch with health insurance |
| 18:53.43 | SunSparc | I think everyone who does not use it regularly is out of touch with health insurance. |
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| 19:05.40 | carmony | lol, wife is using the laptop it looks like ;) |
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| 19:22.29 | itimber | Out for a bit guys..... late |
| 19:26.35 | carmony | SunSparc, you guys playin today after work? |
| 19:26.52 | SunSparc | carmony: Most likely. :) |
| 19:26.56 | SunSparc | We did yesterday |
| 19:27.03 | SunSparc | I was on a role |
| 19:27.07 | carmony | awww, I missed out yesterday ;) |
| 19:27.20 | SunSparc | Sorry, should have pinged you. |
| 19:27.34 | SunSparc | http://games.mediarain.com/cod4stats/ |
| 19:27.48 | SunSparc | You have made it onto our stats. |
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| 20:16.34 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 20:16.40 | mindjuju | who be ZeroCool |
| 20:16.58 | mindjuju | @sunsparc |
| 20:18.23 | SunSparc | mindjuju: ZeroCool is the super hacker from the movie, "Hackers" |
| 20:18.32 | mindjuju | i know that |
| 20:18.36 | mindjuju | but on your scoreboard |
| 20:18.42 | mindjuju | who picked zerocool for a handle? |
| 20:19.01 | SunSparc | My co-worker |
| 20:19.04 | SunSparc | Dustin |
| 20:19.10 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 20:19.38 | SunSparc | The handle is funny? |
| 20:20.00 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:20.36 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:20.40 | SunSparc | He is a funny guy |
| 20:20.47 | SunSparc | Also, fairly deadly. |
| 20:20.53 | carmony | I can't connect |
| 20:22.30 | SunSparc | Really? |
| 20:22.44 | mindjuju | yeah, had that same problem of no connect like 2 weeks ago Friday when trying to play TF2 |
| 20:23.16 | carmony | http://games.mediarain.com/ I can't connect to that website |
| 20:23.20 | carmony | just sits there |
| 20:23.50 | SunSparc | Hmm. Works for me. |
| 20:24.01 | SunSparc | Then again, I am in the same building. |
| 20:24.07 | SunSparc | But mindjuju was pulling it up. |
| 20:24.19 | carmony | whats the ip of it suppose to be? |
| 20:24.57 | SunSparc | 173.8.91.189 |
| 20:25.44 | carmony | yeah, nothin |
| 20:25.49 | carmony | whats the CoD4 ip? |
| 20:26.43 | _psychic_ | external interface sometimes dies |
| 20:32.37 | dataw0lf | I want to see your guys stats |
| 20:37.02 | _psychic_ | http://games.mediarain.com/cod4stats/ |
| 21:04.00 | SunSparc | We have been reconfiguring the server so those stats only represent the last couple days. |
| 21:04.27 | mgeary | hey folks, help me brainstorm a bit on a problem-- |
| 21:04.42 | SunSparc | ~brainstorm mgeary |
| 21:04.54 | SunSparc | ~mgeary brainstorm |
| 21:04.54 | jbot | go do something useful |
| 21:04.58 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:05.32 | mgeary | a server we manage has recently been having problems. basically httpd processes are being spawned and never closed. This continues until the spawn limit (currently 256) has been hit, at which point the webserver basically becomes unresponsive |
| 21:05.49 | mgeary | using apachectl graceful cleans the problem right up, but.... |
| 21:06.12 | mgeary | i'm having a hard time determining the cause of the problem |
| 21:06.21 | mgeary | i don't believe it's a sudden flood of users |
| 21:06.53 | mgeary | right now the best i've got is to run "graceful" every hour in a cron script, but i'm not very happy with that |
| 21:07.04 | _psychic_ | are all the connections closing properly? |
| 21:07.08 | mgeary | presumably not |
| 21:07.35 | thebigdog | mgeary, anything in the log files? |
| 21:07.35 | mgeary | well, what do you mean by that? |
| 21:07.36 | thebigdog | any errors |
| 21:07.42 | thebigdog | apache or php |
| 21:08.29 | mgeary | hmm. well there are some 404s that need to be fixed, but i don't think they're causing the problem |
| 21:09.14 | SunSparc | mgeary: What does access say? What is being accessed? |
| 21:09.33 | _psychic_ | netstat -a |
| 21:10.02 | thebigdog | mgeary, i have seen php open files and not close them properly that has done that with apache |
| 21:10.13 | thebigdog | but im not sure if you are opening files |
| 21:10.15 | mgeary | hmm |
| 21:10.23 | mgeary | yeah, we do sometimes |
| 21:10.31 | mgeary | that's a good tip |
| 21:10.48 | thebigdog | you on apache2? |
| 21:11.02 | mgeary | yes |
| 21:11.04 | mgeary | 2.2.8 |
| 21:11.30 | thebigdog | you using prefork? |
| 21:12.53 | mgeary | httpd -V returns: |
| 21:12.56 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.03 | mgeary | so i may be. Don't know much about prefork |
| 21:13.26 | SunSparc | mgeary: is this a live server? |
| 21:13.31 | mgeary | yes |
| 21:13.49 | SunSparc | So disabling sites one by one is probably not an option |
| 21:13.54 | mgeary | nope |
| 21:13.58 | thebigdog | mgeary, it could be many things |
| 21:14.05 | SunSparc | Did you see anything good in access log? |
| 21:14.13 | thebigdog | you could look at the time your connections stay around |
| 21:14.26 | mgeary | what do you mean by that, thebigdog? |
| 21:15.11 | mindjuju | hey, is the video being released to the internet or for DVD? |
| 21:15.13 | thebigdog | timeout |
| 21:15.20 | mindjuju | wrong win, sorry |
| 21:15.36 | thebigdog | mgeary, connection timeout |
| 21:16.08 | thebigdog | by default you probably have it at like 300 |
| 21:16.17 | thebigdog | you could look at reducing that time |
| 21:16.26 | mgeary | good idea |
| 21:16.46 | mgeary | it's at 120 now |
| 21:16.59 | thebigdog | ok so it probably has been reduced |
| 21:18.19 | thebigdog | this is a good read too mgeary http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/perf-tuning.html |
| 21:18.38 | mgeary | thx |
| 21:18.51 | thebigdog | sounds like some of it might already be completed though |
| 21:18.59 | thebigdog | have you had issues in the past? |
| 21:19.21 | mgeary | nope |
| 21:20.02 | mgeary | i think the file opening thing is probably the culprit |
| 21:20.30 | SunSparc | mgeary: turning down number of connections is also a good idea |
| 21:20.31 | mgeary | we recently changed a mechanism that used to use files on the server, but now uses a database table |
| 21:30.22 | thebigdog | might be |
| 22:32.45 | mindjuju | ugh, dow down 231 pts |
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| 22:33.09 | mindjuju | job interview pointers -< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4OvQIGDg4I |
| 22:34.58 | carmony | LOL |
| 22:35.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:35.43 | carmony | actually, I want my job to be that guy's job in the future, but actually do work ;) |
| 22:36.59 | unum | sometimes I think I feel in the blanks better than they could :) |
| 22:37.11 | unum | but talking to my users makes me violent |
| 22:39.54 | carmony | lol, one client of mine was developing a app in Java that monitors computer enviroment, takes screenshots, and a lot of other things. It was designed for windows computers. Well, the CEO thought that since its Java, and works anywhere, and told some cusomter that their product would work with Mac and Linux. |
| 22:40.30 | carmony | When the engineers told him that process monitoring and a lot of their other features are very OS specific, he said "well, I'm sure you can get it done by the end of the week, right?" |
| 22:43.35 | itimber | crazy man |
| 22:44.49 | carmony | lol, this same guy told a server hositng company, as he was finalizing 12 new server to migrate their entire infrastructure, that they only needed a week to migrate and they could shut down the old servers after that. |
| 22:45.09 | itimber | oops |
| 22:45.12 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:45.25 | carmony | Forunately the server host said "Well, you might want to give your engineers some breathing room, so I'll be in contact with them to figure out exactly when we can turn them off" |
| 22:45.26 | itimber | someone take the phone away from that CEO |
| 22:45.54 | itimber | tell him to go play golf or something |
| 22:45.57 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:47.31 | mindjuju | @itimber - proper exiting procedures when leaving a job - Language warning - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bXHPqj3NcI |
| 22:48.16 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:48.29 | itimber | I love this flick |
| 22:50.10 | itimber | I love it when they take the fax machine out to the field |
| 22:50.22 | itimber | I'm so going to do that someday |
| 22:50.31 | itimber | I already have the baseball bat |
| 22:50.33 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:50.34 | mindjuju | itimber, you mean this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svvc47Tr0R8&feature=related |
| 22:50.39 | mindjuju | again, language warning |
| 22:50.48 | mindjuju | VERY much language warning |
| 22:51.16 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:51.18 | itimber | that's the one |
| 22:51.23 | itimber | too funny |
| 22:52.59 | itimber | love it when they're walking away, dragging cables |
| 22:53.00 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:53.04 | dataw0lf | AHHH RAISE! woot |
| 22:53.17 | mindjuju | congrats dataw0lf |
| 22:53.29 | itimber | congrats DW |
| 22:53.36 | carmony | lol, I want a raise! ;) |
| 22:53.57 | itimber | gotta love it when you're felling the love in a down market |
| 22:56.29 | dataw0lf | I'm always feeling the love, this is my third raise at this job, and I've had one promotion so far. |
| 22:56.32 | dataw0lf | well one and a half, I suppose |
| 22:57.04 | dataw0lf | but yea they just fired 10 people here, and I get raises and promotions. It's a good time to be indispensable, that's for sure. |
| 22:57.05 | carmony | where do you work? |
| 22:57.05 | mindjuju | dataw0lf parking spot? keys to executive lounge ? |
| 22:57.47 | dataw0lf | Naaah. We get good benefits here, though. Gym in the building, I have a perm. press pass, etc. |
| 22:59.21 | macnewbold | that quote of "I have a perm." going on xkbd |
| 22:59.25 | macnewbold | or whatever that site is |
| 22:59.34 | dataw0lf | my hair is naturally curly, I don't need a perm |
| 23:00.29 | SunSparc | carmony: CoD4 time |
| 23:00.30 | carmony | SunSparc, I still can't connect :( nothin you guys can do? |
| 23:00.36 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 23:00.45 | SunSparc | I will check it. |
| 23:00.59 | carmony | from shell on my server in texas I get: |
| 23:01.17 | carmony | --17:27:20-- (try:10) http://games.mediarain.com/ |
| 23:01.17 | carmony | Connecting to games.mediarain.com|173.8.91.189|:80... connected. |
| 23:01.17 | carmony | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers. |
| 23:01.29 | carmony | when I try to wget, so it isn't my ISP ;) |
| 23:01.36 | itimber | gotta roll guys.... late |
| 23:02.31 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 23:05.46 | jsmith | I get the same from NYC |
| 23:06.01 | SunSparc | Argh |
| 23:06.42 | dataw0lf | you in NYC, jsmith? |
| 23:06.59 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yes, I am. |
| 23:07.04 | dataw0lf | are you living there now? |
| 23:07.12 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 23:07.13 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 23:07.16 | dataw0lf | where you staying? |
| 23:07.54 | jsmith | dataw0lf: East side of Manhattan... 48th and Lexington |
| 23:08.16 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Two blocks from Grand Central Station |
| 23:08.22 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 23:08.33 | jsmith | Very nice :-) |
| 23:09.13 | SunSparc | Sorry carmony. Must be a dns issue. I will have to work it out tomorrow. |
| 23:09.21 | carmony | :( |
| 23:09.23 | jsmith | How could it be DNS? |
| 23:09.36 | carmony | I'm getting the IP just fine |
| 23:09.39 | dataw0lf | the ip doesn't work either, looks like a HTTP problem. |
| 23:09.42 | jsmith | The domain is resolving, but the web server is resetting the connection |
| 23:10.06 | mgeary | you notice how as often as not, itimber doesn't finish his "later"? it's like he's in such a rush to get out that his irc client quits before he types that final "r"... |
| 23:10.23 | carmony | lol |
| 23:10.43 | carmony | jsmith, do you know if you're still looking for PHP devs in San Diego? |
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| 23:11.11 | mindjuju | oh great, it's utah_dave |
| 23:11.20 | jsmith | carmony: As far as I know, yes. One other person you recommended sent me a resume, but we're still looking for more |
| 23:11.40 | dataw0lf | afternoon, Utah_Dave |
| 23:12.27 | Utah_Dave | how's it going, mindjuju, dataw0lf |
| 23:12.28 | carmony | cool. I might know another guy, I'll have him send in a resume if he indeed is looking. Do you know if the other person I recommended had a good resume? I've actually never seen his. |
| 23:12.28 | Utah_Dave | ? |
| 23:14.14 | SunSparc | jsmith: You can hit the IP? |
| 23:14.24 | SunSparc | carmony: do you have any filtering? |
| 23:14.36 | carmony | SunSparc: none. |
| 23:14.42 | mgeary | SunSparc: i can confirm their issues as well |
| 23:14.55 | jsmith | Same thing by IP |
| 23:15.05 | jsmith | Connection reset by peer in headers. |
| 23:15.41 | carmony | Sounds like a routing issue internally, or _py dude (I can't remember his name now) said sometimes the External NIC has issues |
| 23:15.44 | jsmith | It's actually resetting the connection *before* it sends any headers |
| 23:16.17 | dataw0lf | it's an Apache problem, not a routing problem. |
| 23:16.30 | dataw0lf | I can see the ssh and http port open |
| 23:16.39 | dataw0lf | (or whatever web server they're using) |
| 23:16.45 | SunSparc | apache |
| 23:17.18 | carmony | whats the external ip for your CoD4 game server>? |
| 23:17.48 | SunSparc | 173.8.91.189 |
| 23:18.27 | carmony | port? |
| 23:19.32 | SunSparc | Try 28960 |
| 23:20.19 | carmony | still can't connect :( |
| 23:20.51 | SunSparc | Lame, well, I will see if I can fix it from outside the network from home. Inside, it is flawless. |
| 23:21.07 | carmony | sounds good |
| 23:21.16 | carmony | you've escaped death for another day SunSparc.... ;) |
| 23:21.17 | SunSparc | See yaz tomorrow. |
| 23:21.19 | carmony | cya |
| 23:21.24 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 23:21.25 | dataw0lf | weird, I was getting VERSION requests returned from that IP, now it's not. |
| 23:21.50 | dataw0lf | http://www.pcworld.com/article/152590/lucasarts_and_bioware_unveil_star_wars_the_old_republic_mmo.html |
| 23:22.50 | mgeary | bah. |
| 23:23.25 | dataw0lf | anyone played the CoD 5 beta? |
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